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Is Occupy Wall Street Nothing But a Police Drill?

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From YouTube:

WellAware1.com for the truth.

Police 10 codes
http://www.thushara.com/NYPD-radio-10-codes.html

It doesn't take much to spot a fake drill like this one, but for those of you who are new to this, I present you with some evidence that cannot be overlooked.

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Occupy Wall Street is heavily connected with Service Employees International Union.  I wrote about SEIU and their odd connection to the WTC and 9-11 events in this article titled From Union to Scab Labor at the World Trade Center, 9-11's Missing Link? 

Some links from Google showing the SEIU - Occupy Wall Street partnership:

  1. Occupy Wall Street, Powered by Big Labor | Mother Jones
    motherjones.com/politics/2011/10/occupy-wall-street-labor-unions

    1 day ago – It's not only Occupy Wall Street winning union support. ... On October 12, SEIU's 32BJ chapter—which represents 120000 security ... Explore MoJo's interactive map of the anti-Wall Street protests spreading across America. ...

  2. hummingbirdminds: SEIU brothers and sisters join Occupy Wall Street
    hummingbirdminds.blogspot.com/.../seiu-brothers-and-sisters-join-oc...

    3 days ago – My brothers and sisters in the Service Employees International Union (SEIU) are now joining Occupy Wall Street. I'm a member of the Wyoming ...

  3. The PJ Tatler » S.E.I.U. Begging for Bodies to Occupy Wall Street
    pajamasmedia.com/.../s-e-i-u-begging-for-bodies-to-occupy-wall-stre...

    3 hours ago – http://action.seiu.org/occupy-wall-street. Let's see now. Wouldn't this fit the definition of “astro-turf”? And how about racial diversity? I've been ...

George Soros, ACORN, SEIU Are Behind Occupy Wall Street

www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?...SEIU...Occupy-Wall-St...

4 days ago – Sunday, October 02, 2011 George Soros, ACORN, SEIU Are Behind Occupy Wall Street First of all I want to make it clear that I am totally ...


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The poster and creator of that video, one "dallasgoldbug", is going through every comment that disagrees with his ill thought-out "exposure" and responding with a message such as...

ATTENTION <youtubeuser> is? a (foreign) shill account. SELF EXPOSED!?

His Youtube username is enough to cause me to be wary, but this behaviour seals it for me.

By the way, that last link you posted contains such gems as...

Marxism has always been behind peaceniks for a long, long time in America — just like they are behind their anarchists and Islamists.

Enough said?

Well, the problem is the anti-war movement has historically been infiltrated by Marxism - it also is part of the present SEIU leaders' education. I have always been against mixing Marxism with any popular anti corporate, anti banking movement, because it can be used as a canard to discredit it.  I am no fan of Karl Marx, aka Moses Mordechai Levy, either, as you may already know. 

I don't know anything about this person - however they bring up some good points. Whatever you might think about his reactions to others (I've had accusations of being a Zionist hurled at me for no good reason), it seems to be endemic with so called "truthers" to go for the ad hominem attack. 

I'd like to know if this Brooklyn Bridge incident was in fact a scheduled police drill and advertised as same - what you have said doesn't really shed any light on whether this video is accurate. 

I'm no fan of Marx either, but perhaps for different reasons from you. However, you can't exlude marxists from anti-corporate protests if they want to be there.  

What I have said is no ad-hom attack, but merely shedding some light on the (potential) affiliations of the person who posted the video, which should cast serious doubts on the veracity of the video itself.  

As for the evidence provided in the video, there could be numerous reasons why the audio is missing.  The creator of the video provides nothing to substantiate his claims that the recordings ONLY go missing during drills. Nothing whatsoever. Nada. Zilch. You only have his word for it.  Is that enough for you? Its not for me.

Andie, I also noticed you missed my point about this quote entirely...

Marxism has always been behind peaceniks for a long, long time in America — just like they are behind their anarchists and Islamists.

Marxism is behind anarchists? Marxism is behind Islamists? WTF is this guy on?  It seems he doesn't know one ism from another.

Marxism is behind anarchists? Marxism is behind Islamists?

Yes - they in fact are close cousins - I would say fraternal twins, as opposed to identical:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchism_and_Marxism

As for Islam, there is Islamic Socialism, which has also been called Islamic Marxism, perhaps mistakenly.  Something I don't have a problem with, because it seems to operate in terms of using a country's oil wealth for the public good.  When real Marxists get mixed up in it, that's when I have issues:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_and_Islam

It seems he doesn't know one ism from another.

They might as well be all from the same playbook.  Mullins stated that there wasn't a dime's worth of difference between Fascism, Communism, Marxism, Socialism, etc. and I tend to agree with that.  Orwell made a statement similar to that in Animal Farm, e.g. there was not much difference between Communism and "Crony Capitalism".  The same actors end up controlling both. 

you can't exlude marxists from anti-corporate protests if they want to be there. 

I didn't say that anyone should exclude them.

shedding some light on the (potential) affiliations of the person who posted the video, which should cast serious doubts on the veracity of the video itself. 

How about taking apart the video?  What affilliations? 

As for the evidence provided in the video, there could be numerous reasons why the audio is missing.  The creator of the video provides nothing to substantiate his claims that the recordings ONLY go missing during drills

I'd frankly like to know why any are missing at all.  Any ideas? 

The video says that NYPD police staged the Occupy Wall Street event.

I find that unlikely.

As “evidence,” the video commentator says the NYPD doesn’t use pepper spray on crowds. Well yes, technically the cops are not supposed to -- but they do anyway.

NYPD Patrol Guide 212-95 says pepper spray is intended to incapacitate dangerous or violently resisting individuals, not crowds. NYPD cops may not use pepper spray against subjects who passively resist (e.g., going limp, offering no active physical resistance) or subjects who appear to be in frail health, or young children, or women believed to be pregnant, or persons with known respiratory conditions. Further, when NYPD cops use pepper spray, they are required to request the response of the Emergency Medical Services (EMS) once the situation is under control.

Nonetheless, cops in any city often go overboard against crowds, violating their own police manuals. Police departments usually whitewash their crimes. From January 1996 through June 1999, the New York Civilian Complaint Review Board reviewed 263 citizen complaints against NYPD cops using pepper spray, and ruled  241 of them (92%) “appropriate.”

Now we have this NYPD cop (Anthony Bologna) who sprayed three individuals in the crowd. The NYPD called this “appropriate," which is odious, but how does it prove that the cops staged Occupy Wall Street? What is the cops’ motive for staging it?

In 2007 the NYPD arrested 1,800 protesters at the Republican convention at Madison Square Garden. Was this protest staged as well? Are all the Occupy Wall Street protesters participating in this “fake drill”? I need more solid evidence before I believe this.

Regarding the comment made by one person that “Marxism has always been behind peaceniks for a long, long time in America, just like they are behind their anarchists and Islamists” – I don’t agree with this. If I oppose imperialist wars, that doesn’t make me a Marxist. (Actually I am a National Socialist.)

Andie531 says, “The problem is that the anti-war movement has historically been infiltrated by Marxism."

Marxists oppose capitalist-imperialist wars. So do I. So do most people who regularly visit WUFYS. So what? It is not logically inconsistent to oppose both war and Marxism .  

Andie531 also says that Marxism is behind Islamists.  “They in fact are close cousins -- I would say fraternal twins, as opposed to identical.”

Hmmm. Marx was anti-religion. Islamists are hyper-religious (or claim to be). Maybe I don’t grasp what Andie 531 means by “Marxist.” There have been many Islamic socialists (e.g. Gaddafi, or Yasser Arafat, or Indonesia’s Sukarno), but that doesn’t necessarily make them Marxists. Siad Barre, former from President of Somalia (1969-1991) was a semi-Marxist, but he broke with the USSR and allied with the USA after the Soviets supported an Ethiopian war against him. (The Ogaden War 1977-78.)  Siad Barre expelled all Soviet advisers, tore up his friendship treaty with the Soviet Union, and dumped much of his socialism -- but he remained an Islamist.

I agree with Andie531 in this: “Mullins stated that there wasn't a dime's worth of difference between Fascism, Communism, Marxism, Socialism, etc. and I tend to agree with that.  Orwell made a statement similar to that in Animal Farm, e.g. there was not much difference between Communism and ‘Crony Capitalism.’  The same actors end up controlling both.”

Yes, Communism is ultimately a mirror image of Capitalism. With Communism it is rule by apparatchiks. With Capitalism it is rule by bankers and the plutocracy. In either case, society becomes stratified, and the masses become exploited.

Personally I favor one of the several kinds of “Third Way” approaches, such as National Socialism, or Gaddafi’s twist on socialism. Third Way approaches incorporate elements of both Communism and Capitalism.

On Marx, I agree with many of his comments. e.g. those about fictitious capital, which describe today’s financialized economies. Marx also noted that capitalism eventually ceases to be capitalism, and becomes a kleptocracy, such as we have today, where bankers and the rich steal so much that the masses have no money to sustain an economy.

The USA is no longer capitalist. It is a feudalist nation, divided into peasants and lords. People who question this injustice, regardless of their reasons for doing so, are often labeled "Marxists."

Such empty knee-jerk labeling is one reason why the injustice continues.

The point made about the cops and how they are outfitted is relevant.  These were the police at the 1999 WTO protest in Seattle.  I had to dodge a similar line of police while trying to find my way back to an office downtown during those 3 days. 

There were no George Soros', no SEIU clowns, no big names, no slick organizations like Adbusters running that protest.  It was a ragtag bunch of disparate groups that organized it.  The protest had the REAL EFFECT of shutting down the WTO meetings. 

Occupy Wall Street is by comparison, a wussified, controlled version of the WTO protests and will probably accomplish nothing.  This video is from YouTube and shows the cops on the Brooklyn Bridge same as this guy's.  If those are riot police, I'm Queen Liz

[video:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJs55qeKvyQ]

Personally I favor one of the several kinds of “Third Way” approaches, such as National Socialism, or Gaddafi’s twist on socialism. Third Way approaches incorporate elements of both Communism and Capitalism.

The term Third Way was regularly used by Tony Blair and his cronies when the "New Labour" movement came to prominence. It was also used by fascist to describe Mussolini's methods.

On Marx, I agree with many of his comments. e.g. those about fictitious capital, which describe today’s financialized economies. Marx also noted that capitalism eventually ceases to be capitalism, and becomes a kleptocracy, such as we have today, where bankers and the rich steal so much that the masses have no money to sustain an economy.

I agree with many of his observations too, but I disagree with the outcome, which is a heavily stratified and overbearing state.  I tend more towards left libertarianism but I'd never be so foolish as to subscribe solely to one ideology without being open to considering the good points of others.

"The term Third Way was regularly used by Tony Blair and his cronies when the 'New Labour' movement came to prominence. It was also used by fascist to describe Mussolini's methods."

And? How does this invalidate my point? People deliberately misuse words all the time. Obama says the USA has democracy, which is a lie, but Obama's evil does not invalidate the concept of democracy. As for Blair, he is incapable of telling the truth about anything, so I dismiss whatever he says.  

Regarding fascists, the USA was largely founded on facism in the original sense of the term, which meant solidarity. Washingrton DC is full of fascist symbols (e.g. the Roman fasces). 

With most people, if they don't like something, they just call it "fascist." Everybody calls everybody else a fascist, which is comical, since only one person in 100,000 understands the meaning of the term.

I consider myself a fascist.

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PROTESTERS SUE NYPD

After the New York Police Dept. arrested over 700 protesters on the Brooklyn Bridge last Saturday, six of those arrested filed a class action lawsuit on Oct. 4, alleging intentional entrapment and false arrest.

“The NYPD engaged in a premeditated, planned, scripted and calculated effort to clearthe streets of protesters and disrupt a growing protest movement in New York,” plaintiffs charged in the complaint.

After escorting and leading a group of demonstrators and others well out onto the bridge, the NYPD suddenly and without warning curtailed further forward movement, blocked the ability of persons to leave the Bridge from the rear, and arrested hundreds of protestors in the absence of probable cause. The police filmed themselves using a bullhorn to warn protesters to leave the bridge, but the bullhorn was inaudible among he crowd, and the cops had blocked both ends of the protest line, preventing the protesters from leaving. 

Several YouTube videos clearly show the police leading protesters onto the bridge as a form of “kettling,” or rounding them up for arrest. Mayor Michael Bloomberg applauded the entrapment, saying, “The police did exactly what they were supposed to do.”

Police collected the names, fingerprints and DNA of those arrested, and entered them into the massive police state database.  Each of those arrested can now worry their name will find its way onto the federal Terrorist Watch List, since the government considers lawful protest a form of terrorism.

And? How does this invalidate my point? People deliberately misuse words all the time.

Nope, it doesn't invalidate your point.  There really is no need to be so defensive!  As for misuse of words, it seems to me that the first one to coin a phrase has squatters rights, so to speak. Mussolini got there first, and I'm sure that Blair's choice of words was deliberate, as he intended his "New Labour" to be a mimic of Mussolini's fascists. 

Obama says the USA has democracy, which is a lie, but Obama's evil does not invalidate the concept of democracy.

That is true. Those who came up with the term first first (the Ancient Greeks) have defined what it means.  That is exactly what I was saying above. Having said that, I'm no fan of true democracy, as it is nothing more than  the tyranny of the majority over the minority. That's why the concept of a Republic is so appealing, although that concept has been progressively watered down and even negated over the past century.

As for Blair, he is incapable of telling the truth about anything, so I dismiss whatever he says.  

Oh, I think he was telling the truth where the "Third Way" was concerned, except that the masses were not aware enough to know what it was he meant.

Andie531 also says that Marxism is behind Islamists. Hmmm. Marx was anti-religion. Islamists are hyper-religious (or claim to be). Maybe I don’t grasp what Andie 531 means by “Marxist.

No - not me - you are misquoting -re-read please.

With Capitalism it is rule by bankers and the plutocracy.

No - in crony capitalism, yes, in a true free market economy, not necessarily. 

the USA was largely founded on facism in the original sense of the term, which meant solidarity.

That's funny - I thought N.A. was first populated by groups trying to escape oppression in Europe The so called facists appeared somewhat later. 

Marxists oppose capitalist-imperialist wars. So do I. So do most people who regularly visit WUFYS. So what?  It is not logically inconsistent to oppose both war and Marxism .

There are religious groups I don't agree with that are against war - perhaps NAMBLA is against the draft, I don't give a hoot.  I don't have to be for war OR Marxism, OR NAMBLA, just because we agree on one point. 

Talk up Marxism all you want - Do we NEED a Talmudic based ideology in this?

It's this simple - war profits the war industry and is beneficial only to a few - ANYONE with common sense should be against it. 

the cops had blocked both ends of the protest line, preventing the protesters from leaving.

With what?  A bunch of out of shape cops in shirtsleeves? 

The NYPD engaged in a premeditated, planned, scripted and calculated effort.

Was that a Freudian slip?

Soros involvement = scripted, controlled, baloney.

I'm not buying it.  Sorry.  This "occupation" will accomplish nothing.  If you want to believe in packaged  protests, that's your problem.  Look for results.  What will be the result of this? Who will this benefit?  It will not be us.  

As for the WTO protests, which were at least effective, the elites got wise and started having their meetings near the Arctic Circle.  Wall Street will go on as usual. 

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