The recurring theme of Jewish suffering during World War II in 1990s movies (Schindler’s List) has gradually shifted to the image of the outsmarting Jew (The Counterfeiters, 2008) and even the resisting Jew (Defiance, 2008). This shift of focus has not been to the benefit of the image of the Jewish victim, because it exposes Jewish crimes as well. The main character in The Counterfeiters is a petty criminal who is willing to work for the German war effort, but the movie “Defiance” has opened up the historical Pandora’s box of Jewish partisan violence and collaboration with the Soviets.
The Bielsky Brothers (image)
The true story of the Bielski brothers, on which the movie Defiance is based, is actually more interesting than the movie. In the 1930s the Bielski family were grocers and millers (N. Tec, Defiance: The Bielski Partisans, Oxford University Press 1993) in what was then a border town between Poland and the Soviet-Union and now is situated in Belarus. When the Soviet-Union invaded Poland in 1939 on the basis of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, the Bielski family collaborated with the communist occupiers as the Polish newspaper Gazeta Wyborcza (Jan. 6, 2009) points out. This resulted in a breach with the predominantly Roman-Catholic Polish population, which saw the Soviets as the oppressors of the Polish language, culture and religion. Ten of thousands Polish officers and intelligentsia were executed and hundreds of thousands ordinary Poles were deported to forced labour camps in Siberia as a direct result of Soviet occupation between 1939 and 1941.
After the German invasion of the Soviet-Union in 1941 the Bielski brothers fled to the Naliboki forest, knowing that they could not hide in their own community as they had no sympathy from the Polish population. In the course of time their hide-out in the forest grew out to a full-fledged Jewish community of more than 1,200 people as other Jews joined them. In the hostile environment under German occupation the Bielski brothers resorted to banditry. They did not have sufficient means in the forest to feed their large community, which meant they had to requisition food and other necessities from the local population by the force of arms. This heightened the friction with the local population, as acknowledged by historian Raul Hilberg: “Food, and everything else they needed, had to be acquired or taken somewhere. One German account noted that Polish peasants, about to be attacked by Jewish ‘bandits’, had beaten thirteen of them to death” (Perpetrators Victims Bystanders: The Jewish Catastrophe, 1933–1945, p. 208). The image of banditry under the guise of partisan warfare is strengthened by Bielski’s own orders: “Don’t rush to fight and die. So few of us are left, we have to save lives. To save a Jew is much more important than to kill Germans.” (N. Tec, Defiance, Ibid., p. 82)
Many Jewish bands had sprang up during the German occupation and some of them actively resisted the occupation, but usually the “partisans” satisfied themselves with easier targets like the local population from which they exacted food in order to survive. The situation in the vicinity of Naliboki was no different: “The town of Naliboki in the Nowogrodek province of Poland was situated near the Naliboki Forest in which partisan units of the Stalin Brigade had set up their base. To survive, much of their time was spent on scavenging for food and clothing in the surrounding villages and towns.” The local population was also terrorized to prevent them from helping the German efforts to stamp out partisan activity. The line between bandits and partisans was very vague and many partisans were accused of looting, rape and murder. The local population was stuck in the middle: both sides requisitioned supplies and any hint of favoritism meant death. As a result, Jewish bands inevitably became involved in war crimes.
One famous account of war crimes by partisans is the Naliboki massacre on the night of the 8th and the 9th of May 1943: “Angered by the widespread plundering, the men of Naliboki decided to fight back and partisan units attacked the town on the night of 8/9, May. All houses were plundered, food and valuables removed, the church and local sawmill burned down as were several houses. The perpetrators in this attack were mostly Jewish communist members of the Stalin Brigade some of whom were former residents of Naliboki and who had earlier escaped from the ghettoes. In the three-hour battle with the defence units of Naliboki, 129 men, women and children were killed.” Note that the church was burned and no quarter was given to women and children. Another infamous massacre in which Jews were involved took place in the village of Koniuchy in the night of 28 to 29 of January 1944: “On the night of 28/29th January about 120 members of the partisan groups and including the Lithuanian Brigade, a Jewish partisan unit of the Red Army, attacked and completely destroyed the village. About forty of those who tried to escape were simply shot down on the spot. Around 300 men, women and children were killed in the 60 households destroyed.”
There is enough reason to believe that at least some members of the Bielski brothers’ band were involved in the Naliboki massacre since they were in the Naliboki forest and aligned with the Soviet partisans. When Defiance was released it caused an uproar in the Polish media, including an article in the Gazeta Wyborcza of June 16 2008, because the movie left out these unpleasant aspects like the terror and atrocities committed against the local population. Some Polish historians branded the Bielski brothers’ as “Jewish-communist bandits.” This image is reinforced by the fact that the Bielski brothers were involved in “some of the over 100 documented clashes between Polish and Soviet forces — fighting on the Soviet side, of course,” according to the Gazeta Wyborcza of 6th January 2009. Besides the Soviets there were also nationalist Lithuanian and Polish partisans. The newspaper also reports that after it was revealed that Polish officers had been executed by the Soviets in Katyn forest, a war broke out between Soviet and Polish partisans: “The Bielski partisans participated, for instance, in the treacherous disarmament of Polish partisans by the Soviets on 1 December 1943.”
The Koniuchy massacre mentioned above is interesting because it has been extensively described by Jewish historians and former Jewish partisans. The first account is Destruction and Resistance (1985) by the Jewish historian Chaim Lazar. The Jewish historian Rich Cohen describes Koniuchy as a ‘pro-Nazi town’ in his account of Jewish partisans in his book The Avengers, despite the fact that Lithuanians and Poles were among the fiercest resisters of German occupation and engaged in almost no collaboration. Recently the Lithuanian prosecutor general has opened an investigation on the Koniuchy massacre and has requested questioning of former Jewish partisans about their involvement. Sara Ginaitė and Yitzhak Arad are two of the Jewish partisans sought for questioning. Ginaitė is a professor of Holocaust studies in York University (Toronto, Canada) and Arad was director of Yad Vashem for 21 years (1972–1993). Arad was a Jewish partisan who joined the NKVD after the Soviet occupation of Belarus and Lithuania in July 1944. The NKVD were the Soviet security forces who carried out the repression and the deportations under the Stalin regime.
The request for interrogation of Arad, who currently living in Israel, caused some stirr in the Jewish media in 2007. The Israeli government branded Lithuania’s request an “outrage” (Haaretz, September 7th 2007) and when the Lithuanian foreign minister visited Israel in February 2008 he got a “harsh letter of protest” form Yad Vashem in which they denounced the investigation of their former director (Haaretz, February 27th 2008). When the Lithuanian prime minister visited New York in July 2008 he was “grilled” by the American Jewish Committee over the “judicial probe” of former Jewish partisans (Haaretz, July 8th 2008). Since then, Jewish-Lithuanian relations have been strained. Lately there has been a row over a list of Lithuanians supposedly involved in the kiling of Jews, which was composed by the director of the Association of Lithuanian Jews in Israel, Joseph Melamed. Lithuania has asked that the list be withdrawn because is contains acknowledged Lithuanian nationalist partisan heroes. As a result, Lithuanian officials were banned from a conference on Lithuanian Jewry held at Yad Vashem (Haaretz September 15th 2011).
If we take all this background information on the Soviet occupation, partisan warfare and the role of Jews in this story, we can dismiss Defiance, the movie version the Stalin Brigade, as a falsification of history. The terror against the local population is totally ignored, as is the role of the nationalist partisans in the fight against the German occupation. It should be noted that the Polish and Lithuanian partisans lived among the locals and were working during the daytime and involved in partisan activity in night time and the weekends. The Jewish partisans are not only exclusively featured but also shrouded with martial glory by depicting a battle with the German forces including a tank, which in fact never took place. Partisans avoided direct confrontation with the superior German forces and focussed mainly on survival and sabotage. The film poster with Daniel Craig carrying a German machine gun (reflecting German tactical prowess and leadership) is highly misleading as it suggests a taste for combat, while actually the Bielski brothers’ band were in hiding. Casting the Nordic-looking Daniel Craig in the role of a Bielski brother can only be described as pure Hollywood.
With regard to the allegations of war-crimes against former Jewish partisans, it is telling that Jews tend to hide themselves behind the moral veil of antifascism, while they were actually willing collaborators of the brutal Soviet occupiers between 1939 and 1944, and complicit in supressing the nationalist aspirations of Poles and Lithuanians, supposedly the reason why Britain and France went to war against Germany. In accounts by Jewish historians the roles are often reversed and Lithuanians and Poles are depicted as Nazi-collaborators who deserved to be killed by Jewish partisans. The cause of “anti-Nazism” seems to justify any crime. Any inquiry by the Polish or Lithuanian governments about the possible killing of innocent civilians by Jewish partisans is met with indignation, animosity and threats. The director of the Association of Lithuanian Jews in Israel Joseph Melamed has made himself clear: “The Lithuanians should think twice before they sue us because it will open up a hornet’s nest.” (Jerusalem Post September 18th 2011) — a threat that is reminiscent of the threats issued by the Jewish partisans against the Lithuanian population during the war.
Source (Peter Stuyvesant at Occidental Observer.net)
Comments
Re: Jewish Partisan Warfare During WWII
Another one tagged with Mike Rivero! Has he got your panties in a twist for a particular reason, Fester?
Re: Jewish Partisan Warfare During WWII
No more than Alex Jones and his theory. Seems my tagging has got yours pretty well knotted.
Any comment on Mikey's "genocidal tyrant" line? Or do you rate that as revisionist?
Re: Jewish Partisan Warfare During WWII
I think you are deluding yourself if you think I'm in the slightest bit bothered. I'm quite enjoying you making a fool of yourself tagging posts with the name of a person who has nothing whatsoever to do with the content.
As for comment on the genecidal tyrant rant, I'm not going to comment until I see or hear the statement in its context. It could be used in an ironical sense or used as a rhetorical device. I don't know and won't judge on the basis of one unsourced quote.
Re: Jewish Partisan Warfare During WWII
Sullivan, glad to hear you enjoy it. I'll keep it up.
You say,
Here's Mikey, "the revisionist," for you:
The only non-kosher bit of fluff is his very out of character reference to Stalin.
For someone who so relentlessly informs his listeners and readers that the media lies about everything, funny he's got such a Nazi jones.
Re: Jewish Partisan Warfare During WWII
Look at the banner at the top of it. That banner hasn't been used on the site for a long time. That's from a decade back or as near as dammit!
Re: Jewish Partisan Warfare During WWII
Ah, I get it. In your view, its okay to label Stalin a "tyrant" but not Hitler?
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“For someone who so relentlessly informs his listeners and readers that the media lies about everything, funny he's got such a Nazi jones.” ~ Fester
THIS IS MY POINT.
People say that Jews, the 1%, politicians, and the corporate media lie about ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING -- except, of course, WW II and Nazi Germany. Even people who dismiss government lies about 9-11 totally believe the lies about Nazi Germany. Jews are saints, as are the 1%, the corporate media, and anyone else who vilifies Hitler and National Socialism. They tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help them Satan. [But for some reason they lie about everything else.]
It’s like “anti-war” people who claim to oppose war, but they only oppose the war on Iraq (and in some cases the war on Afghanistan). All other U.S. wars are just, righteous, and “humane," including the destruction of Libya and the support for genocidal terrorists in Syria.
But you people who believe the lies about Hitler and National Socialism-- you continue doing that if it makes you feel righteous and superior. I regard you as morons.
P.S. Do not confuse me with neo-Nazis. They and I are enemies. They hate me more than they hate Jews and non-whites.
Rivero the Revisionist: "Hitler a Genocidal Tyrant"
Sullivan, think the question at hand is whether or not Mikey claims Hitler comitted genocide. Can we address that first?
Mikey used it August 13, 2011 as a comment, so the "revisionism" you claim for him started some time after then.
Maybe some ground rules are needed here.
A) Please don't muddy things by telling us he posts stories questioning the Holohoax. I've said so myself many times (it's his constant back and forth that constitutes the Rivero Hokey Pokey).
B) we can discuss who's a tyrant and who's not later. One question at a time. No herring tossing.
Enlighten us. Does Mikey believe in the genocide of the Jews in WWII? Or is "genocidal tyrant" just a euphemism as you suggest in the German Vet video story?
Re: Jewish Partisan Warfare During WWII
I think it is just one of these memes that take hold and people use without thinking. It could be more than that, though, but I don't think so based on the evidence so far. Jones, on the other hand, is such an obvious shill that it isn't difficult to see.
Note that I don't and have never put Rivero up on any pedestal. I'd say like most of us, he's just plain wrong some of the time. I also think that many of his analogies are flawed, particularly the "11th marble" one, at least when compared against the "card game on a desert island" analogy put out by The AntiTerrorist. I don't see that as a reason to be on his case though. You obviously have more of an issue with him than I do, and that is your right.
Re: Jewish Partisan Warfare During WWII
Oh, and Fester, I've asked you dozens of times to "fess up", to nail your colours to the mast when it comes to National Socialism and you have notably failed to do so. You appear to be defending it on the one hand and distancing yourself from it on the other.
I've made my position clear. I'm a libertarian, not of the Adam Smith variety, but closer to a synthesis of Proudhonism, Georgism and the philosophy of Henry David Thoreau. That's where I'm coming from. Where are you coming from?
Rivero: leading the next great blind revolution
Sullivan, it's a simple question, but you always want to make it about me or something else.
My fucking position on National Socialism has been stated yet you ALWAYS lamely attempt to make it the issue when you paint yourself into a corner. (look it up)
First you say tracking Mikey's commentary is "pathetic"
Next you say you can't be bothered to look up what he's said
Then you say you can't be bothered with "unsourced" quotes
You also toss off things such as it might have been "ironic" or "rhetorical" or some kind of nervous tic.
Your penulitimate maneuver is that it's "unconscious".
Ultimately, you're back to the non-issue of Fester's take on National Socialism.
If anyone here posted shit about German "death camps' and "gas chambers" they'd be laughed out of town.
Yet you persist in defending Rivero who cant' be that stupid, ignorant, or habituated to his "euphemisms" and "unconscious" speech patterns. Shit, a few weeks back he even claimed that the US "uses Israel for its dirty work in the ME". I was in his chatroom at the time and that one drew a reaction.
AJ works the bottom of the barrel and Mikey works a little higher up. Far too busy with "money junkies", the "corporate media", and "U.S foreign policy" to talk about Jewish control.
And like a true Jew, he clamors for revolution WITHOUT informing his readers who the problem is.
Re: Jewish Partisan Warfare During WWII
Given that you are a party to this thread, then bringing your take on NS into the debate isn't exactly an unusual move.
No, but I say that obsessing over it is. It makes it appear as if you have another axe to grind even though you say that it isn't so.
That is not what I said. It is a very rough paraphrase of what I said.
Exactly. It doesn't take that much effort to include a link as part of your quote.
Come on, Fester, you know as well as I do how much the term Nazi has been a term of abuse over the past five or more decades. It has become almost subconcious for some people. I'm not tossing anything off, I'm just more willing to give people the benefit of the doubt than you appear to be.
You are repeating yourself here, so I'll refer you to my answer above.
When someone is as dedicated to defending something as you appear to be, then that question needs to be asked.
You'd need to do far more than laugh though. I'd rather hope that what they posted would be torn apart, forensically examined and refuted point by point. Lies need to be countered with the truth, not laughter.
I am not defending him. I'm simply suggesting possibilities. I haven't totally discounted the possibility that you might just be right. Anyhoo, I'm not here to answer for him. He can do that for himself. If you really want a response from him then I suggest you take your complaints about him to his site. Tagging his name on a post is not going to inform anyone, it isn't going to enlighten them as to how you disagree with Rivero. It is meaningless and somewhat childish.
I'm not surprised. Which chatroom were you on? The Justin TV one or the one on the site (which I can't access as I'm not a subscriber)?
If you feel that way, then challenge him on it, Fester. However you would be better doing sohis own site. Complaining about him here is a bit like complaining about Australia while living in Canada.
Clamours for revolution? If anything, he seems to think this whole thing is going to be played out online and that no blood will be shed. I personally think that is wishful thinking. As for the "true Jew" remark, would you be complaining about him quite as bitterly if he was a WASP?
Re: Jewish Partisan Warfare During WWII
Oh, and Fester, I've asked you dozens of times to "fess up", to nail your colours to the mast when it comes to National Socialism and you have notably failed to do so. You appear to be defending it on the one hand and distancing yourself from it on the other. ~~Sullivan
Just for the record, I am a Nazi.
National Socialism is a Third Way. It accommodates socialism and capitalism, yet transcends both. The Nazis encouraged Germans to get rich, so long as Germans did it through innovation and excellence, and not by exploiting others, and not by financial manipulation. Inside Germany, the Nazis always had enemies among the landed gentry (i.e. Junkers), among traditional aristocrats, Army elitists, and the allies of Jews.
National Socialism is socialist, but also nationalist. Being nationalist, it must be adjusted to each nation it is applied to. Thus, German-style National Socialism would not work outside Germany, unless it were adjusted to suit each nation’s unique history, geography, demography, and so on. Nazi leaders (e.g. Goebbels) often said in their speeches that German National Socialism was never meant for export.
An example of National Socialism outside Germany was the philosophy of Sun Yat-sen (1866 –1925), the first president and founding father of China. Sun Yat-sen’s beliefs aligned with Nazi beliefs, although Sun died eight years before Hitler was appointed chancellor. Hitler went beyond Sun to become (in my opinion) the greatest leader of the 20th century; a man who loved his nation more than he loved himself.
Today, neo-Nazis are mirror images of Jews. They are Jews hiding behind a swastika. Both sides are incapable of reason. Likewise, after Sun Yat-Sen died, the Chinese Nationalists who took power (e.g. Chiang Kai-shek) were antithetical to Sun Yat-Sen’s mission and philosophy. They became pro-Western and pro-imperialist. They were eventually defeated by the Communists.
Today, both China and Taiwan honor Sun Yat-Sen, even though the two nations are enemies. His portrait is everywhere in Taiwan, and a giant portrait of him is always displayed in Tiananmen Square for May Day and National Day. He is even mentioned by name in the preamble to China’s constitution.
The “national” in National Socialism essentially says, “Why are we fighting? We are all Germans.” (Or all Chinese, or all Spaniards, Irishmen, etc.)
Neo-liberal globalists are fanatically anti-nationalist. They want all power for the international banks and corporations. The global 1% is loyal only to themselves and their class. And they have brainwashed the Western masses to love their slavery, and to hate nationalism and socialism.
Communism was also globalist, and anti-nationalist. It was a mirror image of today's financial capitalism. Both ganged up against Nazi Germany.
Overcoming my "Nazi" Tourette's Syndrome
Sullivan, I struggling to compose a list of people in the movement who share Rivero's "subconcious" Hitler fetish. I can't think of any that are taken seriously. There's AJ... and you always got Hollywood and the Jewish mainstream media.
You seem to be ok with Mikey working the "genocidal Nazi" meme as it's part of our heritage. You would, of course, tear em apart with a forensic examination if such a claim were it made here at WUFYS (cuz one doesn't just laugh off such nonsense).
But all that said, maybe it's true that you, me, the whole lot of us are "casually" spouting bits and pieces ("another Hitler," "genocide," "Nazi fetish for making people get naked", "Bush-Nazi", "der Reichstag fire" yada fuckin yada) of the Holohoax Big Lie all the time. Like Mike we just don't notice cuz we been doing it so long.
Re: Jewish Partisan Warfare During WWII
I'm not "ok with it". It doesn't bother me to the extent it bothers you, for reasons that should be patently obvious by now.
No, I would expect you to, given that the issue is of higher importance to you.
Maybe you do, but I don't. However, I've come across countless people who use Nazi as a euphemism without even thinking about it. Your sarcasm is noted, as is the absence of a response to my suggestion that you take this battle to WRH, as it is likely to be far more effective than complaining about Rivero here.
Overcoming my "Nazi" Tourette's Syndrome
Sullivan, did you mean to say "countless sheeple"?
Or is it your contention that folks who have figured out at least one of the basic Jewish criminal enterprises (9/11, Reserve Banks, media, ...) go around reinforcing the Big Lie of WWII? Yer shittin' me, right?
Mike does quite a bit more than your "Nazi euphemism", but you get steamed and start pettifogging when I attempt to point it out.
This screeds probably "decades" out of date but think it's relevant to our discussion: The Rise of the Fourth Reich by Michael Rivero
Haven't done a entry on Rivero in ages. Didn't realize my playful tagging his name was engaging in "battle."
I'll let you know if I get anything out of Mikey.
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You could say that :)
No, I don't think that is generally the case. I've given my reasoning of his use of the Nazi meme before so I won't repeat it here. I've also acknowledged that I might be wrong about it.
I don't listen to him that much so I wouldn't know.
You can't expect someone to promote a system of government that is the polar opposite of what they subscribe to. No libertarian, right or left, is going to sing the praises of an authoritarian system. We have people from both sides of that equation here and both have an equal right to put their case.
Well, it looks like it. This site, like his site, is intended to reach out to people who may not yet "get it" and this playful tactic could cause confusion.
Please do :)
Re: Jewish Partisan Warfare During WWII
Sullivan, I think I've shown that Mikey has defined all of us here at WUFYS as "kooks" for believing that their is an ongoing Jewish conspiracy that flows from control of the financial systems.
Do you require proofs of that?
Do you still question the revisionists who say the Holohoax is a fraud?
On the questions of a) the Jewish nature of Bolshevism and b) the Jewish Terror perpetrated by the Bolsheviks, I am very happy to provide the following sources althougth I am embarrassed for you and your apparent ignorance:
Russia No. 1 (1919) (British Govt' Report
Jews in Russia and in the USSR - Andrey Diky (.pdf)
Waters Flowing Eastward - Fr. Denis Fahey
HOLOCAUST AND HOLODOMOR
The Great Terror: A Reassessment - Robert Conquest
The Cause of World Unrest - Nesta Webster
Under the Sign of the Scorpion - Juri Lina
Winter in Moscow - Malcolm Muggeridge (excellent little career destroyer)
Prof. R. J. Rummel of the University of Hawaii puts the Bolshevik bodycount at "at least 61 million".
Ynetnews had this piece on the Jewish hand in Bolshevik murder
Sullivan, that's a quick list. The Jews financed the Bolsheviks, they were the leaders of the movement inside Russia, Jews were protected (unlike the Christians), Jewish Cheka agents condemned millions to death, and the Jewish media outside LIED about it. Lots of horseshit about anti-Semitism in USSR yada fuckin' yada.
Kinda like Jews murdering people in NY on 9/11 and getting the US to murder millions of Muslims and lying about a War on Terror with Jews writing legislation to turn the nation into a Bolshie style police state.
Walter Duranty of the Jew York Times wins a Pulitzer for covering up the Holodomor and Macolm Muggeridge (like Robert Wilton and Douglas Reed) had his career terminated for telling the truth. Duranty's sidekick, Claude Cockburn, spawned the shill Alex Cockburn who covers for the Jews just like his old man.
Sullivan, knowing that the Jews control the money system, the media, the university system, publishing, and governments (as a result), it's pretty fuckin' safe to assume that everything we hear about the Nazis is Jewish bullshit. My take on the NSD was that it worked for Germany at that time. My biggest questions are about the internal security operations: how arbitrary were police powers, what threats existed, who financed the threats, did they clean the Commies out, would there been greater freedom in the postwar, etc.
Think your Little Kings dream is dicey in a world where money rule and media rule and populations are large.
Any comment on Mikey's labeling of Jewish conspiracy talk as "kookery" and "bull hockey"? Nope. Didn't think so.