Interesting.

I wouldn't put it past Jonestein to knife Mike Rivero in the back, but as you say yourself, its just speculation. Yes, you are right, Mike Rivero needs to blow the whistle on what has transpired.

By the way, how do you know Ted "Buy my gold for your reh-tie-ment" Anderson is a mason? Do you have any evidence to back this up, or is it just speculation or informed guesswork?

By the way, expect the "Rivero is a Jewish shill" crowd to turn up any moment now to crap all over this thread.

Concerning Ted AnderMason, when one hangs around a certain group long enough, one picks up their speech patterns. I have been around a lot of Masons and he sounds exactly like one.

Also, he is in the Gold Business which has been, since time immortal, dominated by Masons. I remember the time when he was able to make a large purchase of gold very cheaply and he could not control himself from blabbing "I got friends, these friends of mine help me out, were a brotherhood".

I do not put myself in the pro-Rivero camp, but he is one of the very few vocal anti-Zionist Commercial Conspiracy Radio Hosts and as such, I would naturally correct any flagrant untruths about him.

I was under the impression that the gold business is and has been for some time the exclusive territory of the chosen ones.

Anyway, its always a good idea to put up whatever evidence you have when making claims like this. It allows others to make a value judgement on their veracity.

Good for Rivero, I hope now he stops linking to Jones or he spills the beans on what happened

A great chance for Mikey to figure things out.  There wasn't enough evidence for him to do so previously, but maybe this will do it.

Fester, if you have it figured out, why don't you email Mike rather than biting at his heels here on WUFYS?

I hope now he stops linking to Jones or he spills the beans on what happened

Yes, a "what really happened" on this particular story would be most welcome indeed.

- Has a spy profile
- Moves around a lot
- Comes from a Hippie background
- Is under mind control
- Hates governments and corporations
- Did not give first-dibs on the disclosure to the Paytriotard Radio Hosts
- is pro-Free and Open Internet

http://tarpley.net/audio/20100728-WGT_on_AJ.mp3

Sullivan, I was going to try to help him out recently, but needed to register in order to comment, so I declined.

It's certainly been staggeringly obvious for a long time that Death Cult Jones was a fraud. Ditto for Tarpley.  I could email him, but I don't trust him so I probably won't.

Will Mikey acknowledge it?  I'm not holding my breath.  Sorry bout that.

Sullivan, I was going to try to help him out recently, but needed to register in order to comment, so I declined.

Fester, he has an email address which you can use without registering.

It's certainly been staggeringly obvious for a long time that Death Cult Jones was a fraud. Ditto for Tarpley.  I could email him, but I don't trust him so I probably won't.

Then don't.  However, I'd hazard a guess that if you did, it would stand a better chance of success than pursuing what appear to be personal attacks here on WUFYS.

Will Mikey acknowledge it?  I'm not holding my breath.  Sorry bout that.

Acknowledge what? Your email? That Jones and Tarpley are frauds?

Joe, I'm assuming you can back up these claims with source. Can you?

Has a spy profile

What on earth is a spy profile? If Jones and Tarpley can't be more specific than this, then it sounds like a case of attacking the messenger

Moves around a lot

So what? I moved around a lot at a certain time in my life.

Comes from a Hippie background

I'm no big fan of hippies, but again I'd say "so what?"

Is under mind control

Another easy ad-hom for Jones or Tarpley to throw out. Where's the proof? They could say this about anyone. Indeed, I could say this about either or both of the Jones/Tarpley duo.

Hates governments and corporations

Is there a difference between governments and corporations these days? Anyway, even if there is, given the way governments and corporations have been behaving, who would blame him?

Did not give first-dibs on the disclosure to the Paytriotard Radio Hosts

Awwww.  So they are miffed, is that it?

Is pro-Free and Open Internet

So am I. So what? Are the Jones/Tarpley duo taking a stance against this position?

It is in the audio that gave a link to in my comment.

27 July 2010

http://cryptome.org/0002/wl-diary-mirror.htm

The Wikileaks Afghan War Diary files deserve very close study, in this Julian Assange is right. The contaminating news reports, condemnations and blogwash should be surpassed. The WL site is heavily loaded and slow. To ease the load and for a quicker download, Cryptome offers mirrors of the now digitally-hashed compressed file packages downloaded 27 July 2010, about 4:40PM.

Complete dump of the website: http://cryptome.net/afg-war-diary.html.7z 75.4MB

    This is a complete dump of the website at http://wardiary.wikileaks.org. Extract this to your local hard disk and open it with your web browser. Please check the project website http://wardiary.wikileaks.org for the most recent version.

All entries, CSV format: http://cryptome.net/afg-war-diary.csv.7z 15MB

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A screen shot of the page showing what is offered and the digital hashes of the compressed file packages:

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When studying the Wikileaks War Logs, bear in mind that intelligence streams -- hardcopy, digital, electromagnetic -- are salted with spurious entries as markers to authenticate the stream, indentify disruptions and unauthorized plants, direct the product to various collectors with varying levels of classification, and more. The spurious entries will not be distinguishable from the other material, it is their positions in the stream, or omissions from the stream, which will be part of authentication. None of this requires or is protected by encryption, indeed, encryption is customarily used to mislead about other means and methods -- which is why it is so loudly touted.

Some streams are entirely spurious but composed of authentic material, to cloud the process, to entrap, to delude, to fake a vulnerability. These methods are well-known to the techheads of Wikileaks although they may lack required programs and equipment to analyze streams in all their guises. Wikileaks claims to cloud its transmissions for protection, a perfect marker for others. Three versions of the logs were given to the dupes, another to the public. Another for Wikileaks alone, more or less.

The security watchword is: don't ever expect infallible security, that is always snail oil. The intelligence watchword is never trust an intelligence source, they are all unreliable. The classification watchword is never trust the highest classification, that is bullshovel to dupe those who believe only they have access.

The sysadmin watchword is ... lay low, log everything, copy, replace with a fake, tell no one especially another sysadmin who will rat you: l'enfer, c'est les autres.

& I wonder if Bullhorn had anything to do w/Rivero's firing. If so that would be really sad

I'm betting he contiues to steadily push DisinfoSnores and JewishPrisonPlanet.com.  Interviews probably not, but Rivero is pretty good agile going back and forth.

Been studying Mikey's "Fom the Folks Who Brought You the Inquistion" screed.  He begins with this:

"What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!" -- Pope Leo X (As attributed by John Bale, Bishop of Ossory, in The Pageant of Popes, p. 179, 1574)

Elizabeth Dilling provides the reader with important info about Leo X:

"Leo X, one of the Medicis who fanned the Reformation by sponsoring a great renaissance of paganism and filled the Platonic Academy and salons of Rome and Florence with Jews, expounding Talmud and occult Cabalism, is called the humanist ... favorably inclined toward the Jews, whom he a employed not only as physicians, but also as artists and in other positions at his court. The beginning of the Reformation influenced his action in the controversy between Reuchlin and Pfeferkorn which he settled in such a way as not to give any encouragement to those who demanded reforms in the Church.

The story of the sincerely converted Jew, Pfefferkorn, who aired the infamies of the Talmud, as opposed by the Catholic renegade, Reuchlin, dupe of the head of the Jewish community of Rome, and the pro-Jewish Medici Pope, ended with Pfefferkorn being silenced, Reuchlin not being tried for heresy, as he was scheduled to be and indeed should have been, and with two hostile camps in nearly every German town taking sides for or against the Talmud.

One may ask: "How could anyone reading what the Talmud says argue about its contents?" In this regard, however, it must be remembered that only with the relatively unexpurgated Soncino translation of the Talmud in this century, in the contemporary language, English, has it become possible for the non-Jew to receive the full impact of what the Talmud says. In other trials arguments could rage as to what a Yiddish or Hebrew text of the Talmud really meant, if translated. Nevertheless, the Jews always ultimately lost such arguments, as witness the condemnation of the Talmud by non-Jews through the centuries.

Even the Soncino English translation of the Talmud is not readily available except in major libraries, to be read there and not taken out.

Clement VII (another Medici servant of Jewry) was the bastard son of Guilio, brother of Lorenzo the Magnificent, who founded a pagan salon, the Platonic Academy. The Platonic Academy attempted the old Talmudic strategy of "harmonizing" pagan philosophy with Christianity, as Maimonides had tried to do with Biblical Judaism. Lorenzo had his son Giovanni (Leo X) made a Cardinal, through his influence with Innocent VIII, at 13, having also been made an Archbishop at 7. Ready to ascend the throne, Giovanni promptly made five of his relatives Cardinals, including his bastard cousin, Giulio. Leo X (Giovanni), made Pope on March 11,

1513, was ordained a priest on the 15th and made a Bishop on the 19th of the same month, and he reigned until December 1, 1521, nine years.

It was this Pope, Leo X, who launched the selling of indulgences in 1517, the immediate cause of Luther's break with the Church, and of Europe's arousal. Every effort was made to corrupt and Talmudize the Church from the inside, while Jewry worked to wreck it from the outside. The hotheads among Jews, says Jewish historian Cecil Roth, expected to end Christianity and supplant it with Talmudism."

Is this why Rivero has refused to link to iamthewitness.com?  His history is well worth a look if only for his cataloging of the persecution of the Jews.  People who are interested in a wider historical perspective should visit the TFC archives.

http://forum.concen.org/showthread.php?tid=34205

Both Jealous Young and Shabbos Jones are now doing Damage-control. If you guys were as smart as you pretend to be, then it would be the right time for Mea Culpas!

Young has finally uploaded the Afghan Diary, despite his totally BULLSHIT lie about "Uh, uh, uh, they're electronic document, we can't trust them" (if that is the yardstick, then the Climate-gate documents should be discarded). And this stupid Old Man was the origin of the DISINFORMATION that a member of Wikileaks turned in a Whistle-blower.

Jones had Birgitta Jonsdottir on his garbage show and spent the entire time sucking her dick and begging for forgiveness. Since you people have revealed yourselves to be completely undependable when it is really important at a Moment of Truth, I will not waste any more time reminding you by replying to this thread.

To make sure that this entire episode will be recorded for prosperity, I am going to inter-splice clips of this entire embarrassing event with my witty commentary for my show this weekend.

(Joe leaves this thread in disgust)

Mike Rivero's words, from the front page of What Really Happened

I have just been informed by the Alex Jones show that they are canceling my monthly interviews commencing this coming Tuesday. Imagine my shock and disappointment. No, really, just imagine it!

I think this speaks volumes. It's now pretty certain that the man with an ego the size of a planet, Mr Alexei Jonestein, was behind the shafting of Mike Rivero just as he was behind the shafting of Jeff Rense.

Sullivan, I was beginning to doubt the story that Leghorn was behind it. 

Why is Rivero using his standard ironic "Imagine my shock" line?  When has he ever criticized Jones? 

I hope he starts.

Why is Rivero using his standard ironic "Imagine my shock" line?  When has he ever criticized Jones? 

Maybe because he knows the story is doing the rounds of the "blogosphere" and that many commentators have already come to the conclusion that Jonestein was behind it?

Sarcasm would be something I would resort to if I had been just stabbed in the back. 

I don't know why you ask your questions about Rivero here. He certainly won't answer you here.  Why not email him? 

I hope he starts.

I hope he starts too. 

"Imagine my shock" would be appropriate if he wasn't shocked.  It's a line he uses frequently to express his lack of shock.  However, Rivero's long running association with and heavy linking to Jones strongly suggests he ought to be shocked. 

Appropriate sarcasm would be something such as, "The leader of the patriot movement!", no?

I take up the issue here because there are likely many visitors here who trust Rivero.  I certainly did for many years after 9/11.  It was only when I began to learn the historical depth of the problem that I began to question his avoidance of important material and sites that were trying to bring such material to a wider audience.

Not sure when I realized that the whole WWII story was very suspect, but when I did I began to take serious umbrage at his "Hitler salute" routine.  I began the counter here long after I noticed it and suspect that my doing so has forced him to tone it down, but perhaps not.

Les Visible is one of my absolute favorites and he's a big fan of Rivero's.  I've always said that he puts out lots of very useful info, but so has Jones and all others who turned out to be disinfo.

I was reading Rivero's The New McCarthyism today and it's very problematic in my mind as he blames the Cold War on "the military- industrial complex" while belittling the idea that there was a Communist threat inside the US.  If Mike linked to TFC or the key books Smith has promoted, it would be difficult for readers to so readily accept those very mainstream notions.  Both of those ideas are standard fodder for the modern classroom and TV.

I posted a bit on his Inquisition screed which, again, is seriously mainstream and does nothing to bring to light the economic elites operating behind the scenes.  The material I put up from Dilling should give serious pause to those who are curious and not happy in the traces.

There's a great quote of AJP Taylor's about being just as happy to be found wrong as to be found right.  I post my Rivero problems here as I respect the opinions of many of the people who've been here over the years. I think his shortcomings are serious.  Others don't, but I've yet to hear an explanation that was persuasive

Anyway, maybe I'll get around to summarizing my questions and emailing him.

"Imagine my shock" would be appropriate if he wasn't shocked.  It's a line he uses frequently to express his lack of shock. 

Yes, it's called irony, or sarcasm if you like.

However, Rivero's long running association with and heavy linking to Jones strongly suggests he ought to be shocked. 

Perhaps things have been brewing for a while, who knows?

Appropriate sarcasm would be something such as, "The leader of the patriot movement!", no?

It might be what comes to your mind. It wouldn't necessarily be the first thing that comes to mine. Then again, that wouldn't be fit for publication.

I take up the issue here because there are likely many visitors here who trust Rivero. 

You don't deal with the issue at all. You don't counter anything he says. All you seem to have to offer is all the things he doesn't say that you would like him to say.

I certainly did for many years after 9/11.  It was only when I began to learn the historical depth of the problem that I began to question his avoidance of important material and sites that were trying to bring such material to a wider audience.

Sorry, Fester, while I acknowledge that there was some great stuff published way back when, it is likely to be of little interest to those who have grown up in a culture where history is what happened five minutes ago. Mike may well believe that his audience isn't ready for that material. That's his call, not yours or mine.

Not sure when I realized that the whole WWII story was very suspect, but when I did I began to take serious umbrage at his "Hitler salute" routine. 

Yes, I know you take umbrage, but you've been spectacularly poor at explaining WHY you take umbrage, and how you think Rivero is wrong to, as you say, "do the Hitler salute".

I began the counter here long after I noticed it and suspect that my doing so has forced him to tone it down, but perhaps not.

I beg to disagree. You don't counter it. You just keep going on about it. The two are not the same thing.

Les Visible is one of my absolute favorites and he's a big fan of Rivero's.  I've always said that he puts out lots of very useful info, but so has Jones and all others who turned out to be disinfo.

I could turn out to be disinfo. You could too. As could anyone else.  Lesson #1... don't become anybody's fanboy. And I mean anybody's.

I was reading Rivero's The New McCarthyism today and it's very problematic in my mind as he blames the Cold War on "the military- industrial complex" while belittling the idea that there was a Communist threat inside the US. 

Ok, you have a problem with it. Point out the flaws. Counter it with your own arguments, contrast it with your take on the facts.  Don't just...

If Mike linked to TFC or the key books Smith has promoted, it would be difficult for readers to so readily accept those very mainstream notions. 

..ahh, you did it anyway!  As much respect as I have for Daryl, TFC does not contain all the answers, nor does mentioning it get you out of having to make your own arguments.

I posted a bit on his Inquisition screed which, again, is seriously mainstream and does nothing to bring to light the economic elites operating behind the scenes.  The material I put up from Dilling should give serious pause to those who are curious and not happy in the traces.

The material you put up? Do you have any opinions of your own, or does everything you post have to be an almost reverential link to someone else's work? I don't know about you, but I read works like that and I arrive at my own conclusions. Such works inform my perspectives, they don't act as a substitute for them.

Quit trolling JoeBlow, it is becoming boring already!

"A nation is, after all, past, present, and future generations. If we break the first element of the triad, the whole starts making no sense." - Dr. Dariusz Ratajczak

#1 Re: Mikey's "Imagine my shock" response to being canned

Fester:However, Rivero's long running association with and heavy linking to Jones strongly suggests he ought to be shocked.

Sullivan: Perhaps things have been brewing for a while, who knows?

The line means nothing since he's given no prior indication of any issues with Jones.  His appearances and promotion of his appearances and his heavy linking to Jones' site continued right up until the announcement.  He has been aware of the problems with AJ but only now acknowledges them with a disingenuous humor line.  Very bogus.

 #2

Fester: I take up the issue here because there are likely many visitors here who trust Rivero.

Sullivan:  You don't deal with the issue at all. You don't counter anything he says. All you seem to have to offer is all the things he doesn't say that you would like him to say.

 The issues are: a) what Rivero leaves out of his presentation b) his dubious association with a widely known disinfo fraud c) his muddied treatment of Nazi history.

Regarding a), it's difficult to counter what he hasn't said except to post excerpts from useful texts and provide links.  I've done that; thought you'd noticed.  90% truth, 10% bullshit/omission is a recipe for something we've all eaten or so I thought.

I certainly have taken up b) and ask you what you would have said.  You do not still have qustions about Jones' dishonesty, correct?

As for c) I believe I have posted numerous texts and links to material which expose the Holocaust as another "impertinent Jewish fable."  I have attempted to document Mikey's odd behavior on this most important topic.  The Nazi Boogeyman Calculometer has his statements and my critiques.  Do you concur that the Holocaust story as told by the textbooks, Hollywood, and the thought crime laws of Europe is obvioulsy false? If you do, then I fail to understand your tolerance for his propping up of the Hitler boogeyman

#3 Re: the importance of historical texts

 Sullivan: Sorry, Fester, while I acknowledge that there was some great stuff published way back when, it is likely to be of little interest to those who have grown up in a culture where history is what happened five minutes ago. Mike may well believe that his audience isn't ready for that material. That's his call, not yours or mine.

 Orwell's memory hole is a serious reality.  I'm fatigued and will leave it up to the reader to suss the implications of Jewish Full Spectrum Dominance of all media.  Once upon a time, people were aware and now there's very little awareness.

Sullivan: Yes, I know you take umbrage, but you've been spectacularly poor at explaining WHY you take umbrage, and how you think Rivero is wrong to, as you say, "do the Hitler salute".

I just reiterated the WHY which I've done repeatedly for your benefit. Surely you dont want me to post more on the topic?  Spectacularly is a word that comes to mind though.

#5 The Nazi Boogeyman Caluclometer

Fester: I began the counter here long after I noticed it and suspect that my doing so has forced him to tone it down, but perhaps not.

Sullivan: I beg to disagree. You don't counter it. You just keep going on about it. The two are not the same thing.

The counter in this instance is a counter as in calcul-o-meter for counting instances of his dipshit Hitler references.  Surely that was explained from the start.  Again, Mikey ain't been saying what he thinks as he did with his The New McCarthyism and From the Wonderful Folks who Brought You the Inquisition tracts.  As I have stated, he says things such as "WWII didn't work out too good for ya!" suggesting that the Holocaust story is legit and everything the MSM says about Hilter is true.  He's been doing it for a good long time and is the only "truth" site other than AJ's that pushes the Big Lie.

Fester: I was reading Rivero's The New McCarthyism today and it's very problematic in my mind as he blames the Cold War on "the military- industrial complex" while belittling the idea that there was a Communist threat inside the US.

Sullivan: Ok, you have a problem with it. Point out the flaws. Counter it with your own arguments, contrast it with your take on the facts. Don't just...The material you put up? Do you have any opinions of your own, or does everything you post have to be an almost reverential link to someone else's work? I don't know about you, but I read works like that and I arrive at my own conclusions. Such works inform my perspectives, they don't act as a substitute for them.

Ok, I guess I thought when I posted something it was an endorsement of the ideas it contained unless I indicated otherwise.  When Dilling says the following, I consider the sources cited, my own background knowledge, my understanding of the present day, and my nose for bullshit:

from The Jewish Religion: It's Influence Today (p. 26-27)

It was this Pope, Leo X, who launched the selling of indulgences in 1517, the immediate cause of Luther's break with the Church, and of Europe's arousal. Every effort was made to corrupt and Talmudize the Church from the inside, while Jewry worked to wreck it from the outside. The hotheads among Jews, says Jewish historian Cecil Roth, expected to end Christianity and supplant it with Talmudism.

But when Luther nailed his theses on the Wittenberg Cathedral door, he nailed the Jews back into the ghetto, and Popes eager for Christian faith and morals were elected in place of the pro-Talmudic "humanist" Medici popes. Luther, in turn, found the same forces polluting his own following and ended his life beseeching the Protestant princes to expel or put at hard labor all Talmudists, after burning synagogues and Talmuds first of all. Read his words — if you can now find them other than here in any library!

There is only praise for the Medici Popes in Jewish literature and only disappointment about the condition of Jewry during the Reformation and afterwards, for the succeeding Popes drove the Talmudists out of Vatican circles and back into the ghetto.

Bewailing this, the Jewish Encyclopedia reports how the Talmud was burned by Pope Julius III in 1553 and Christians prohibited from printing it. "The worst was yet to come."

Paul IV (1555-1559) in his bull "Cum Nimis Absurdum" not only renewed all the canonical restrictions on Jews, but restricted their commercial activities and made them wear a yellow hat and live in their own territory — the ghetto.

Concerning this period, the Jews and the Medici, Jewish historian Cecil Roth states in his Jews of Italy (Jewish Publication Society of America, 1946):

Girolamo Savonarola was successful ... in 1494 the great Dominican drove out the Medici ... Thereafter their position in the city (Florence) was a sort of barometer of its political state: when the Medici returned in 1512, they (the Jews) came too, and when the Medici were driven out in 1527 they accompanied them ... It was only when the ruling house was at last securely established, from 1530 onwards, that the interruptions end and the continuous history of Florentine Jewry begins. (Page 190)

Also:

When Martin Luther nailed up his famous Theses on the cathedral door of Wittenberg, thereby setting the machinery of the Reformation in motion, the fate of the eager Jewries of Renaissance Italy were sealed. Threatened by this dangerous movement of secession, the Catholic Church began to set its house in order, more systematically and more comprehensively than ever before, in the process known as the Counter-Reformation. No longer were the Popes to be pre-eminently enlightened patrons of literature, science and the arts, with worldly inclinations and interests. Henceforth they were chosen among those in whose eyes the requirements of the Church, spiritual and temporal, were paramount ... who ...regarded the Jews as a leaven of disbelief which positively endangered Christianity and Christendom — at least until they were segregated from intercourse with other men, as the Lateran Councils had prescribed three and a half centuries before. Whereas the Talmud had been printed under Leo X, a Medici, in 1553, the Pope denounced the Talmud, and the other restrictions were set up. ( History of the Jews of Italy, pages 190 and following)

I find the above far more compelling than the single quote of Rivero's: "What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!"
Pope Leo X (As attributed by John Bale, Bishop of Ossory, in The Pageant of Popes, p. 179, 1574).

My perspective is the the Jews were corrupting the Catholic Church and Leo X specifically.  I see the same behavior today in the US Congress and other spheres.  Reading Ramsay, Ford, Leese, Reed, or others indicates it's the same pattern, same crowd, over and over again.  You suggest that I'm not thinking but rather blindly following others, right?  Please share your take on the above and a logical conclusion to form from it.

My position is that everything we've been told about major historical events is bullshit,  Here's the short list: 1848, financial panics of late 19th & early 20th centuries, WWI, Russian Revolution, WWII, the Holocaust, JFK, RFK, MLK, 9/11 and everything before and in between.  When "truthtellers" put out bullshit in their truth mix, I object.  I don't have "my own opinion" on these topics.  I borrowed all of them.  If you'd put yours up, maybe I could study and learn to formulate "original" ones.

You said something about the modern attention span as rendering the history less important.  I think we've got the criminals dead nuts on 9/11, expose the Holocaust lie, educated the public about the banking scam and a few other major crimes and we've got a chance at a better world.  The history supports the stuff we have witnessed or been closer to and should be a very powerful tool.  I give up.

I'll close with an extende excerpt from TRUTH ABOVE ALL - Interview with recently deceased/killed Dr. Dariusz Ratajczak, Holocaust skeptic and therefore historian reduced to night porter

ZK : Where are the seeds of historical truth sown ? Can society function without the knowledge of the past ?

DR : As I have already mentioned, history has surrounded me at all times. I think, however, that most important is the family milieu, where a man develops his moral, patriotic, and, partially, ideological backbone. Thank God, I was raised in an ordinary Polish home. Today it is not as obvious any more. At present, the majority of young people leave the family home without the baggage of the past, without grandparents' and parents' stories about times past. At best, those are babblings, such as "in Gierek's time (13) it was so good". Schools at every level of education complete the work of destruction. Although the cretinous Marxists are already gone, they have been adequately replaced with empty-headed, politically correct idiots, who are as numerous in Poland as in Australia. Stupidity is not picky about continents, it seems. It is they, those good-for-nothing historians, who finish off history, which in their version ceases to be the carrier of truth, the mistress of life, the reason for national pride. It is they who, deliberately, convert history into a handmaid of current political interests of equally morally and intellectually cheap ruling elites. Finally, it is they who decide which fact or historical figure to make prominent, and about which to keep silent to the death. Of course, they do it from the angle of current political usefulness. That is why young people know nothing about Dmowski (14) (because he is an ultra-patriot, and we are moving toward the post-Freemason hybrid called the European Union), Witos (15) (because he defended Polish land, and in the European Union land can be transferred to foreign hands), the Silesian Risings (16) (because it is Polish nationalism, and Upper Silesia ought to be the place of Polish-German cooperation), the Poznan June of 1956 (17) (because Jacek Kuron (18) et consortes were not there, and the authorities shot only at anonymous Poles), the murder of Bogdan Piasecki (19) (because Jews committed the murder, so it is not proper to speak about it), et cetera. Instead, the Kielce pogrom, (20) the March events, (21) and the Gehenna of the Trockists from the KOR are rattled on about from A to Z, and, in addition, over all this the Holocaust Industry is watching, and talking with the teachers' mouths into young people our alleged offenses against the Jews. Everywhere half-truths, lies, propaganda. But it is not at all madness, but a method leading to the destruction of historical consciousness, to the cutting off from the truly Polish historical heritage, without which the nation cannot exist. A nation is, after all, past, present, and future generations. If we break the first element of the triad, the whole starts making no sense."

P.S. for the record I think Mikey won't join TIU/TFC but will continue to be cute as button.

Upon reflection, perhaps I could have saved time and effort by saying that I consider my role to that of juror.  I judge important historical events and texts and decide which version or text is the most compelling.

The historical record is essential in proving the nature of the conspiracy.  I try to draw peoples' attention to important texts that have been relegated to the memory hole. 

I think it is a human reaction to be angry when one discovers they've been lied to, and I think many people will want to read once their eyes have been opened. 

The line means nothing since he's given no prior indication of any issues with Jones.  His appearances and promotion of his appearances and his heavy linking to Jones' site continued right up until the announcement.  He has been aware of the problems with AJ but only now acknowledges them with a disingenuous humor line.  Very bogus.

I think you are seriously overanalysing one single comment. Maybe you are reading stuff into to it that just isn't there. Has that occurred to you?

The issues are: a) what Rivero leaves out of his presentation b) his dubious association with a widely known disinfo fraud c) his muddied treatment of Nazi history.

I know what you consider to be the issues.

Regarding a), it's difficult to counter what he hasn't said except to post excerpts from useful texts and provide links.  I've done that; thought you'd noticed.  90% truth, 10% bullshit/omission is a recipe for something we've all eaten or so I thought.

90% truth 10% bullshit is a recipe for that allright, but only if it can be proven that the 10% is deliberate and if it can be determined what the purpose of the 10% might be.

I certainly have taken up b) and ask you what you would have said.  You do not still have qustions about Jones' dishonesty, correct?

No, I don't have any questions about Jones's dishonesty.

As for c) I believe I have posted numerous texts and links to material which expose the Holocaust as another "impertinent Jewish fable."  I have attempted to document Mikey's odd behavior on this most important topic. 

Mike Rivero has never claimed the holocaust happened. I've heard several of his shows where he states that the so called death ovens were built to dispose of the bodies of those who died from typhus.

The Nazi Boogeyman Calculometer has his statements and my critiques. 

I disagree. It fails to take account of the fact that Rivero never claimed the holocaust was a real event, for a start. With that glaring ommission, the rest can be considered dubious at best.

Do you concur that the Holocaust story as told by the textbooks, Hollywood, and the thought crime laws of Europe is obvioulsy false? If you do, then I fail to understand your tolerance for his propping up of the Hitler boogeyman

You appear to be confusing the belief that Hitler was a tyrant with the belief that the Holocaust story is true.  The two are not the same, no matter how much you might try to make them the same. I've asked you to give your take on the totality of the Hitler story before and you have failed to do so.

The counter in this instance is a counter as in calcul-o-meter for counting instances of his dipshit Hitler references.  Surely that was explained from the start.  Again, Mikey ain't been saying what he thinks as he did with his The New McCarthyism and From the Wonderful Folks who Brought You the Inquisition tracts. 

What are you saying here Fester? That McCarthy was a good guy, not some despot-wannabee determined to see commies everywhere he looked?  He would probably have labelled me a commie, given my particular distaste for the corrupt institutions of the state.

As I have stated, he says things such as "WWII didn't work out too good for ya!" suggesting that the Holocaust story is legit and everything the MSM says about Hilter is true. 

Only if you are absolutely determined to ignore everything else the guy says that just so happens to prove your criticisms to be bullshit.

He's been doing it for a good long time and is the only "truth" site other than AJ's that pushes the Big Lie.

Where has he said that the holocaust happened?  Time to put or shut up.

I agree that the Jews had a major bad influence on the Catholic Church, but I don't believe it wasn't already corrupt before that happened. Power corrupts and the church had been amassing power for centuries before the maranno/jesuit influence took hold.

I have no time for any church, so the point is moot.

P.S. for the record I think Mikey won't join TIU/TFC but will continue to be cute as button.

Why should he join TIU/TFC? Is that another of your requirements - your fanboyism coming to the fore again?

I think you are seriously overanalysing one single comment. Maybe you are reading stuff into to it that just isn't there. Has that occurred to you?

No, there's no reason for him to say, "imagine my shock" unless he's previously indicated that AJ is a fraud.  He never did.

I know what you consider to be the issues.

Well, you asked, so I responded.

90% truth 10% bullshit is a recipe for that allright, but only if it can be proven that the 10% is deliberate and if it can be determined what the purpose of the 10% might be.

We are in harmony.  Since we know the recipe, I'll continue to sample and assess the sauce.

No, I don't have any questions about Jones's dishonesty.

I assumed that.  I assumed that was true of virtually everyone here.  Glad that I landed safely.  Now we go back to Rivero's long association with Death Cult Jones and his rather quiet reaction to being throw over.  "Imagine my shock".  No imagine our shock at your astonishing retarded suggestion that Fat Leghorn Jones is full of crap.  That ship sailed some time ago.

Mike Rivero has never claimed the holocaust happened. I've heard several of his shows where he states that the so called death ovens were built to dispose of the bodies of those who died from typhus.

I never have said he did.  Given what he clearly has said, it is odd (I prefer unbelievable) for him to reinforce through his "humorous" suggestions, as he has done wth great regulariity, that the Hitler Boogieman was real.  Yes, I may be reading more into it than others do, but I would be surprised if any members here said the things Rivero does.  Yes, they are small comments and "humorous" but the natural reaction to discovering one's been lied to is anger, not humorous asides.  Here's his quote from 22 Jan 2010:

"Nien, nien, I vas only kidding ; we are not sending you to Auschwitz! I was chust having some fun, ja?"  Am I over-reacting?  I expect some will say yes and others maybe or no.

You appear to be confusing the belief that Hitler was a tyrant with the belief that the Holocaust story is true.  The two are not the same, no matter how much you might try to make them the same. I've asked you to give your take on the totality of the Hitler story before and you have failed to do so.

I am not arrived at a final view of Hitler etc.  It's a large topic.  I do know that very few people have seen even the basic, essential works that allow them to begin to question the Holocaust myth.  Rivero does some good work there.  It's a essential topic and his dicking around can only reinforce the propaganda when what is required is further digging and questioning.  I am not confusing the issues as you claim; I am saying it is irresponsible and only disinformational to throw in the bullshit webmaster commentary when one has the level of understanding that Rivero obviously does.  Let me be precise: when you have linked to David Cole's video, for example, an honest person who not recycle the "Auschwitz, Auschwitz" boogeyman mantra.

What are you saying here Fester? That McCarthy was a good guy, not some despot-wannabee determined to see commies everywhere he looked?  He would probably have labelled me a commie, given my particular distaste for the corrupt institutions of the state.

What does Hollywood say about McCarthy?  What does the MSM?  Even a cursory investigation (Major Jordan's Diary, The Great Sedition Trial, Venona: Decoding Soviet Espionage in America, Churchill's Zionism vs. Bolshevism, Andrew Diky, Father Coughlin's work, Mullins' The World Order) clearly reveal the depth of Jewish control of Communism and infiltration of the U.S. government.  Would you suggest that the U.S. today is not under the domination of Jews?  McCarthy said we were and he's been painted as an alcoholic loon, which is irrelevant if his facts are correct.  Freedman said it in 1961.  Are you comfortable with the mainstream notion that he was wrong to think the country was under attack by "Communist" forces?

I completely reject the notion that it's the "military-industrial complex."  It's quite clear that it's Jewish international bankers who run the show.  I believe the evidence, IF people are interested in pre-WWII evidence, makes that case FAR more strongly.  It also happens to contradict "popular wisdom," and "Chomskyism".  Where do you stand?  I've attempted to put up a poll asking that question repeatedly, but it never shows.

Where has he said that the holocaust happened?  Time to put or shut up.

I've never said that.  I've repeatedly said that given what he's posted that exposes the holocaust, it's very peculiar for him to persist with his Nazi Salute routine.  My writing is not so bad for that point to be repeatedly missed I should hope.

I agree that the Jews had a major bad influence on the Catholic Church, but I don't believe it wasn't already corrupt before that happened. Power corrupts and the church had been amassing power for centuries before the maranno/jesuit influence took hold.

I'm not expert here, but I've tried to share some interesting material.  Mikey's been spastic in his postings of Church problems.  He's devoted some time to working up a history of sorts.  I have taken communion by accident, but am as yet unbaptized.  Having read the Protocols and observed the fruits of the Jewish media tree (and read White's interview with Harold Rosenthal), I am highly suspicious of the Jewish presses exposes of criminal behavior in the church.  Mike, as a marrano and someone at least as well educated as I on the range of issues, displays a very Jewish antagonism towards the church.  Is he ignorant?  Has he better sources that I?  Is he genuine?  Don't know. 

I just have questions, but am also confident that most folks will find the things I post excerpts from or link to to be useful and informative despite they're falling outside the mainstream perspective.

Why should he join TIU/TFC? Is that another of your requirements - your fanboyism coming to the fore again?

Others mooted the question.  We discuss things here.  I put in my two cents.  You have my apologies.

Again, I don't trust him and therefore have little desire to engage him.

Here's a question for the audience:

What would it take to clean house in a nation in the death grip of an international banking cabal? Say a nation

- overburdened with a massive debt of questionalb origin? 

- that had had its reputation dragged through the mud? 

- broken in a war orchestrated by the same bankers?

- once healthy, reduced to a pitiful condition through the traitorous actions of a parasitic group grown wealthy on monopolistic business practices?

- surrounded by enemies controlled by the same bankers, wiliing to boycott and undermine you.  Perhaps faced by a dangerous enemy controlled by Talmudic Jews intent on your demise?

What kind of a leadership would be required? 

I don't know?  I certainly don't know nearly enough about what Herr Hitler actually did or his reasons.  I'm in the process of attempting to find out.  All help appreciated.  Fester

I don't know?  I certainly don't know nearly enough about what Herr Hitler actually did or his reasons.  I'm in the process of attempting to find out.  All help appreciated.  Fester

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JB, I guess I asked for it.  Got anything else?  That one seems less than a sure thing unless Herr Hitler was run by the bad guys.  I have no doubt that military affairs can run in those channels, but judging by the cover I'm suspicious.

No, there's no reason for him to say, "imagine my shock" unless he's previously indicated that AJ is a fraud.  He never did.

That much is true, he didn't.

I assumed that.  I assumed that was true of virtually everyone here.  Glad that I landed safely.  Now we go back to Rivero's long association with Death Cult Jones and his rather quiet reaction to being throw over.  "Imagine my shock".  No imagine our shock at your astonishing retarded suggestion that Fat Leghorn Jones is full of crap.  That ship sailed some time ago.

Heck knows. I just don't see the point in over analysing one statement.

I never have said he did.  Given what he clearly has said, it is odd (I prefer unbelievable) for him to reinforce through his "humorous" suggestions, as he has done wth great regulariity, that the Hitler Boogieman was real. 

It is not impossible to come to the conclusion that one was true while the other was false. I for one believe that it was a totalitarian system, and like any totalitarian system will result in massive abuses of power. That doesn't mean I believe the holocaust narrative.

Yes, I may be reading more into it than others do, but I would be surprised if any members here said the things Rivero does.  Yes, they are small comments and "humorous" but the natural reaction to discovering one's been lied to is anger, not humorous asides.  Here's his quote from 22 Jan 2010:

"Nien, nien, I vas only kidding ; we are not sending you to Auschwitz! I was chust having some fun, ja?"  Am I over-reacting?  I expect some will say yes and others maybe or no.

What are we saying now, that Auschwitz didn't exist, even as a forced labour camp? Ok, I'll admit Mike is sailing close to the wind on that one, but it still can't be construed as supporting the holocaust story.

What does Hollywood say about McCarthy?  What does the MSM?  Even a cursory investigation (Major Jordan's Diary, The Great Sedition Trial, Venona: Decoding Soviet Espionage in America, Churchill's Zionism vs. Bolshevism, Andrew Diky, Father Coughlin's work, Mullins' The World Order) clearly reveal the depth of Jewish control of Communism and infiltration of the U.S. government.  Would you suggest that the U.S. today is not under the domination of Jews?  McCarthy said we were and he's been painted as an alcoholic loon, which is irrelevant if his facts are correct.  Freedman said it in 1961.  Are you comfortable with the mainstream notion that he was wrong to think the country was under attack by "Communist" forces?

No. I just think he over-reacted and tried to convict people on flimsy evidence. What I am uncomfortable with is the idea that any political perspective should be proscribed once it is practised in the open.

I completely reject the notion that it's the "military-industrial complex."  It's quite clear that it's Jewish international bankers who run the show. 

And the two concepts are entirely disconnected? You think the bankers don't run the MIC?

I believe the evidence, IF people are interested in pre-WWII evidence, makes that case FAR more strongly.  It also happens to contradict "popular wisdom," and "Chomskyism".  Where do you stand? 

Where do I stand on what? I take the evidence as it comes. I don't believe things are totally black and white like you seem to suggest here or over on TIU.

I've attempted to put up a poll asking that question repeatedly, but it never shows.

It showed. It was on the front page a few days back.