I think the heavens hide a terrible secret. Who recalls the 3 sheep herders done in by a so called METEOR strike

http://www.hindu.com/2007/02/09/stories/2007020909931300.htm

Well i think Particle cannons are now fully tested to a point 3 nomads in diameter.

The Pentagon,WTC1&2 and a number of other targets possibly including flight 93 may have been involved.

Anyone ever try to explain the Spire videos?

Space based mega-energy weapons. this could get China to blow up that weather bird of theres. I sure noticed that they only hit there sat. Precision like this at the range is without a doubt showing that China is serious about SHITSTORM.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

But this sort of thing made me start taking the idea of new generation nukes in the towers seriously.

http://www.saunalahti.fi/wtc2001/military.htm

People get upset when you suggest far out stuff like that - like it's your plan to discredit the truth movement - but it makes a bit of sense that they'd throw in some unknown and unbelievable technology if they at all could, just to make the people searching for answers look like loonies.

where did you get the image from?

Why would anyone tow the twisted remains of a number of scorched cars to a parallel parking spot under the FDR?

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"Money" has no value - people do.

Perhaps they were towed so rescue and evidence removal vehicles could move into the area more freely.

The Finnish military expert gives all credit for 9/11 to the Americans Bush-Cheney. Maybe it's a good thing the Finns avoid international conflict if they are all as astute as this net wizard.

to a different location altogether?

Why tow them neatly over to the side of the FDR?

There must be someone out there who can confirm where those cars were when they were destroyed like this.

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"Money" has no value - people do.

I would imagine in an emergency the first priority is access to the site. "Get these f*ckin' cars out of the way!" leading to towing some to the first handy spot before heading back and hauling out more. Wouldn'the FDR understructure show signs if a blast had been directed at it sufficient to roast those cars? The road surface and markings look ok. The wall behind the cars appears to be untorched. The painted area above looks a-ok. Just musing here.

If you get your hand on one of these cars and test it for Gama rays (looking for DU) The towers had Tuned mass dampers all very tall buildings need them i am betting that every odd flamed out wreck produced around thos controlled demo jobs had DU granules thrown on top from the Tuned mass dampers. The dampers could have been filled with U-238 powder or granules for the increased space savings over using lead filled dampers or other things like solid steel. U-238 is 1.7 more heavy for this purpose so the could use less space to achieve the goal of motion control of those VERY flexible towers. I am seeing this as a way to produce the wrecks. The amount of damage to them is indicative of there proximity to the towers when they were demolished. The FDR wrecks were by the photo placed there by picker hoisting from flat bet from wherever they were in the way. (lack of damage to FDR or streets under them.)

I think the melting and other weird damage is caused by short but intense U-238 fires. (U-238 burns at 3500+ very intensely until total consumption. The exploding debris would spread this material throughout the area of the implosion's footprint. the U-238 fires could have caused the "Afterglow" that remains unexplained at both tower implosion's and the Pentagon collapse videos.

The events are sort of getting more evident the further down the level of cash to cover them up sinks.
First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

If 3% of the damper was Thermate then you could get a widespread and SUPER intense Steel melter and cutter. this stuff just burns its way into the pile and in moments it's doing its job destroying the crucial and damning info under those piles of rubble. It probably did this for the WHOLE 8 or 9 weeks till the Whole amount of those dampers was burned up. Nobody says ANYTHING about the disposal of the STEEL POOLS. Zip Nada Zilch. Can the government cover the fact that the air is filled with radiation? You bet they can. They have a long and sortied record of minimizing U-238 "Accidents" Beware New York.

Go ahead look at every photo you can get of the immediate aftermath of the site and there is plenty of seriously melted steel. Not to mention the 8 week and still pools of molten steel under the two footprints and WTC 7.

I don't wounder about why so many Fire dogs expired from the work they did on those piles. I also am sick for the First responders left to eventually die for working that mess.

I guess you could call this Masher1's U238Thermate hunch on the After glow.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

I Think the mixture of Pyro chemicals was made sure to burn by possible NPB (neutral particle beam) from air or space to heat the scattered U-238 to flash temperature over the whole area of the implosion of both towers. This ignited and rapidly burning mixture quickly seeps into the lower parts of the towers debris piles where the Under street level evidence is totally and completely burned up. Why do i think this? Has anyone explained the odd Box like structure on the edges of both towers that morning? I think they are "targets" I bet they were placed to provide post collapse targeting for the "Heater" phase. The "Spire" video sure took some looking. It took months to postulate a explanation for the things captured on video that day. But then again i could be wrong too. But i somehow DOUBT that.

Has anyone done a Gamma ray survey of fresh kills with instruments that can detect DU? NO. i bet EVERY unit capable of detecting DU was removed from N.Y. city days or even months before then. I don't have to live there. N.Y. Folks do And contrary to some I CARE ABOUT EVERY New Yorker still in that wasteland. I think U-238 was far too useful for this days events. You can call me down till the tips of your fingers bleed but SOMEONE with some means will surly get to the bottom of of my hunch trust me. A reason for the After glow and the Pools is where i am at.

You can say i am full of shit but the events will ALL be laid out. And my hunch is going to have to be investigated. Folks still live in and around the area. Not to mention the Millions of folks working in the Manhattan,Hoboken and New Jersey area. Just the facts on this issue that are of public record are all you need to come to this. Baseless shout downs are just more ways to see the Beastly types in our midsts.

Look away i don't give a shit. I have been looking at Many ton after ton of DU used to kill without care. N.Y. city is just another reason to cull another few million heads over many years and with any number of reasons why they were not killed by the inhaled Uranium trioxide,Triuranium octoxide and the worst Uranium dioxide.
Every single one is hard to detect without the proper instrument. This is a real problem WORLD WIDE no useful instruments to detect the stuff i just listed UO3, U3O8 and UO2

I am not some stupid noob dude you just look it up for your self. Or not i don;t care. You Americans have to pay for this GARBAGE use NOT ME!

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

I don't know much about this, certainly not enough to propose anything but a wild theory. Here goes.

I know thermite was used in the controlled demolition - we see the dripping molten metal in the 911mysteries: Demolition video. Thermite (or thermate) requires extreme temps to ignite, usually done with a magnesium or aluminum ribbon, and does not extinguish, even if placed under water. When the explosions took down the towers, that thermite continued to burn - it was just dispersed into the neighborhood. Perhaps this is what burned these vehicles?

QRS: I got al those pics from the website that I linked to in the article:
http://janedoe0911.tripod.com/StarWarsBeam5.html#toasted

The 8 weeks burn time. Anyone have any idea how bad the SULFUR emissions would get for this long of a burn. I think on Energy alone Thermate 3%-5% the rest in U-238 to achieve longer and more destructive burn. I am not sure on the deficit of steel but i think the site consumed over 40% of the WTC 1&2 steel less for WTC 7. but even at this the Thermate was used in the mix to show a plausible reason for Molten steel they knew was going to remain for a known amount of time. Thermate is an mix of powered aluminum and iron oxide. These two combine to cause chemical chain reaction and are known numbers as to sustain without fuel added. U-238 is alone a single element that is pyroforic and after reaching i think 185 degrees C it will spontaneously combust and burn at extreme temps that some say is as high as 6000+ degrees i have heard 3500+ but that could be wrong i don't know as to the actual temp of a contained U-238 fire of 6k degrees seems real enough. And if so then i think i found the reason for the 8 week 2 month duration for the molten steel under the rubble and a MAJOR reason for all the Responders health concerns.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Why not tell us just what caused the "Spire collapse" Video then if my particle beam idea is so shit???? Use examples please.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

All the post Demolition damage areas and a look or two at the Real TV mini cam tapes with an eye to seeing the source point for the effect captured on the various Spire videos along with mapping the angle and placement of the many unexplained wrecks in the area after 9/11. It would even give you a fairly accurate look at the beam angle and the point in the sky it came down from.

P.S. Bruce What is a 767-200 rudder counter weight made of? How about looking that up for us.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Thermites would never burn for weeks. They use DU in the rest of the world. Why not in NYC?

Reason #1 Greed:Using DU in the TMD units would reduce the engineering spaces required to make the towers work. Always assume greed.

Reason #2 the rapid deaths of most fire dogs and the Nasty condition of most first responders.

Because of this i will put up with folks like Bruce to spread my findings.

Anyone that does the Fuel math of this event is going to sooner or later have to use many tons of U-238 to get the numbers even close. And i am by no means a mathematician of any rate BUT the fuel HAS to come from somewhere. I think we all know NG and other fossil fuels are just not going to sustain a fire of that type for over SIXTY DAYS!. I have held my tounge until i could not look away from this any longer. Any way you look at the Spire you will have to admit that this effect is the weirdest bit of video ever shot in the day time for sure.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

I think if DU was present it would have been detected by now, and people would have had to publicly explain its presence by now. And DU has health consequences that haven't really been seen in New York (viscious cancers, birth defects). Asbestos doesn't explain the health problems either. High and quickly decreasing levels of alpha radiation does match what has occured.

I don't trust Jones, or the measurements that were taken at ground zero, enough to take Jones' word for it that a new generation nuke is ruled out.

But this is all idle speculation. Surely some further investigations can be done on the materials that remain. Or maybe it's possible to perform all of the ingenious forensic tests only on American TV crime shows - I don't now the answer to this question either.

I haven't seen any 100% convincing spire-to-dust footage yet, so some links would be appreciated.

http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/New_Spire/
here is some of the Spire photos and video.

And the other thing the testing of N.Y. was done by the EPA was it not. Did the EPA lie about the health risks. You bet they did. Seeing as the EPA is full of lies about this event do you want to trust them? I say get YOUR own samples then have them tested INDEPENDENTLY by a lab that CAN test for DU. There are not that many. The government will NOT do this because it will require the EVACUATION of the area PERMANENTLY. That means FOREVER abandon New York.

I wish i was Wrong but i think i am absolutely right about this. Testing for DU is HARD. Finding DU means you have to LOOK for DU something your government refuses to do because of the consequences of this toxic mess.

Now YOU are going to have to decide if your government is trying to kill off a large number of of N.Y. residents.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Sure thing
http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/New_Spire/
have a Good look.

Want to see ANOTHER intentional DU contamination area the US government is right now trying to cover up?

http://www.rense.com/general73/falcphotos.htm

This base is host to THOUSANDS up thousands of troopers a year ALL getting a dose.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Erosoplier- Some more material you are seeking
may be found at a previous Truth Seeker link, notably,
a current Ed Ward piece that he uses for a springboard.

There you will find the full photo sequence of the "Spire",
and some more dope on radiation outcomes:
http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/07/03/05/ward.htm

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/870
The US Government’s Domestic Use of Micro Nukes - WTC

A brief observation of my own from that thread,
with links to toasted cars, AND emergency vehicles:
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/870#comment-4029

Thanks for the links.

With the spire, I think it's possible that it threw off enough dust to obscure itself as it was collapsing.

Every nook and cranny would have been covered in concrete dust, and as it was collapsing it would have been colliding violently with the ground, and this could have sent vibrations right up to the tip of the spire, dislodging all of the concrete dust - providing just enough of a dense cloud around the beam to make it look like it had "vapourised."

Before the spire collapses the base of it is immersed in a cloud thick enough to completely obscure the spire - so that particular concrete dust is obviously capable of obscuring solid objects.

So, still not convinced.

If the tuned mass dampers did burn looking for DU would not find any at all. Why? Because the DU was burned up into the residues of DU namly Uranium trioxide (decays in hours to days ) U3O8 Truuranium Octoxide (decays in weeks to months) and finally the majority of the DU will render UO2 Uranium dioxide (decays in months to years)

So to see if DU was the material used for these two weights you will have to search for UO2 levels from the smoke plumes not look for DU directly.

As far as i know NO uranium testing was done even with 2 aircraft with Uranium weights crashing there.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Boy when you confirm something it sure is sweet.

New York you are here by warned about the environment around you. Do as you will BUT you were warned.

There are tests you can do to confirm Gamma emitters in samples. Look into it if you live in the Manhattan area.

I would say again Fires burned in the basements HOT enough to melt and keep melted steel for OVER SIXTY DAYS. Thermate Eh! yea O.K. if you say so. I make it 3 floors PLUS the Whole basement As well as the core AND outer columns. Just not realistic without MAJOR sulfurs being detected in far higher numbers than they were.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

I asked a question and got a lot of very interesting information. Masher, you have obviously done your homework here. Nothing can be dismissed because no facts will come from the authorities.

This site has a good chemistry. Thanks and any more info is greatly appreciated.

I will i think show that the Fuel issue has merit as do the health issues. But finding any info on the WTC blueprints regarding those dampers is not too likely. I reccomend anyone look if you can. I being surrounded by cows and horses makes this sort of investigation ultra hard but i am trying. I have many reasons to think this damper issue is a black issue EPA wise and i am certain by the response i all ways get to this that i am barking TOTALLY up the right tree.

Arf! Arf! Arf! Arf! Arf!

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

On the spire
"After the outer structure of WTC 2 falls, a portion of the central core remains standing for almost 25 seconds then it appears to melt and vaporize. Two videos of the above scene can be found in "The Strange Collapse of the Spire." The second video with a clearer view of the spire’s demise can also be seen. The cores at the base of the WTCs are 16" thick steel rectangles - each side is 4" thick. (BTW, there is no conventional explosive or Thermate combination that can produce this effect. Nor can any Nanothermate, SuperThermate, Super-Duper Thermate and explosives combination produce this effect. However, this reporter is anxiously awaiting the "scientific" introduction of invisible, invisibly acting, super-duper, double top secret, stealth-micro-NanoThermate as the cause of what clearly is a thermonuclear post Flash effect.)

I would add "Or a neutral particle beam"

And i would spit out as i walked away "You know Like the Gipper Built"
see:
http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/07/03/05/ward.htm
First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

That you asked about it looks like a street sweep machine has recently passed this spot. I have seen this many times after the horse part of the Calgary Stampede Parade. Since you asked. ;)

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Not available for anyone. Is it possible they had an emergency demo system built in?

And I now think the vehicles were hastily moved to the seafront drive.

The WTC blue print being hidden was a major reason i went to all the trouble to try to fathom the interior bits that they were hiding. I thought that was just smoke to hide the lame ass explanation they gave but after i saw a description of the TMD used there (TMD was of a revolutionary new design) All floated on oil and Fracking HUGE. But all done in the engineering spaces (2 floors i think) 2/3 of the way up the towers. I saw in younger days a video shot of this unit moving very slowly back and forth as part of a show on sway mitigation in very tall buildings. This was all i had to go in for the mass of this unit and the unit if it was pure lead seems to my lame recollections and math to be not heavy enough to supply the required counter forces/TMD size.
Trying to confirm this has hit wall after wall chief among then the BLACK WTC blue prints. You bet those towers were pre set to go off the moment the Black ops crue could swarm over the brand new towers. This is the main reason to hide B.P. for a pair of towers that will never be built again so why the secrecy? Those tuned mass dampers thats why.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

If you managed to OUT those plans five minutes later a chimpanzee could tell you that the dampers were in fact DU and the whole N.Y. area is in need of some Ultra costly cleanup if not out right evacuation. So my days are spent looking and waiting 12 hours at a time on standing on this very spot looking for my own small miracle package to come and spill those plans and blow this wide open if needs be.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Type Masher1 at Gmail.com attach WTC plans push send. Your soul is ready to have it's ticket punched if you are.(you know who YOU are)

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

But I'm talking about blueprinted built in demo plans that were possibly in place from day one? A
built in failsafe to keep the buildings from falling out into Manhatten. Sounds wild, but is that possible?

Has anyone seen a set of WTC blueprints to your knowledge?

Have a good ponder of the photos at this URL
http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/07/03/05/emergencyEdWard.htm
then see if you can point out WHY i think this bunch of photos is so important.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

That i have been trying to make the bits fit the photos and video one thing is crystal clear The whole site (All WTC units 1thru7 WERE ALL PRE engineered to have a bad day on 9/11. Some more than others.
But the power down issue was sure making the WIFI Demolition idea look REAL tasty. Want to now how? The asbestos was applied thick enough to hide DEMO shaped charges on steel from maintenance from the first days of finishing on them was completed. Want to bet the ASBESTOS crew had Total and SECURE access to Every space they worked on? Were any of those guys doing insulation actualy doing work for CDI???? Controlled demolition incorporated. Then fast forward to the weeks leading up to 9/11 they send in a blasting setup crew to expose the preset wires hidden in foam asbestos hidey holes attach the WIFI demo units to the installed wiring and wait for that nasty bunch of signals to come at just the right moment (just as the THERMATE up high is starting to show) Think it is plausible? I sure a heck do.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

The Question on the Five photos at the Ward and there importance.

Hint:It has Nothing to do with the SCRAPPED wrecks.
And has Everything to do with the working vehicle in the photos.

Come on lets see some brain power. ;)

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Although I can't see both sides, they appear to be undamaged. That means they are being scrapped because they are comtaminated or irradiated.

Keep it coming Masher, I'm like a field of Iowa corn here - all ears!

Ok So once i was doing a summer job running a 20 ton manure spreader truck to buy a laptop and on this job i was working on soggy farm after soggy farm and the one thing you learn fast is don't drive the same track or you will eventually bogg down. The more trips to the hoe for poo the worse the ground gets as the weight of the truck presses out the water from the ground.

Any way on to the important part. Even with the ground looking like the landfill was just subjected to a monsoon WHY o WHY would a water truck be there constantly laying down water??? If you look close you can see the constant passage of the truck over and over again watering down the site to almost crappy driving conditions. Why would this be? Well the site is being watered down to keep UO2 from becoming airborne from the Stache site here while they await transit on barge to get deep sixed into the Ocean because of there Radioactive nature after suffering the hit i described earlier. If you go and dig Right there and test that dirt i will be Fracking SHOCKED if you don't find gargantuan levels of Uranium dioxide in the soil.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

A URL to get a feel for the messes around U-238 use

http://uruknet.info/?p=m31407&s1=h1

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

See the Leak. Fill the leak with OUR info.

http://stj911.org/press_releases/blueprints.html

You NSA boys are sure predictable. Thanks for posting the info for me. I knew it was just a insult session away. When will you spooks learn US BLOGGERS ARE PLAYING YOU!

Ha Ha later you silly spies.

I would not read too much into those So called WTC plans. I think there sudden appearance is at the very least suspect.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

I think that's gettin to be quite the little disinfo release site.

Considering Riveros in Hawaii 6 hours ahead of NY, his stuff gets posted at around 3 AM Hawaii time- you think he's got a "staff" on the east coast? Naaawww.

I'm not saying he lies ALL the time. I've gotten some good info off WRH. But on Chemtrails, Pentagon, New Orleans levee, he's got a bell around his neck. And his daddy is NSA.

Know as to the man from the island. My drawer of Q:'s about Rivero is topping up nicely. But i will say the TIMING of the release of the not so blueprint Blueprints is sure NSA/CIA like on the heels of my recent claims is it not? The response time as i eluded is SCREAMING that the two towers in fact did have DU tuned mass dampers. This release is another distraction to draw your gaze away from that nutcase Masher1's Silly claims.

You could not PAY me enough money to go ANYWHERE near Manhattan or Fresh Kills landfill. If you live there your gong to have to get testing. Very expensive testing. Don't consider money DO THE TESTS.

Your family is depending on YOU!

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Ok Mash, so what's the timeline on health effects if Manhattan is the steaming radioactive heap you suggest?

I ain't technical, but commonsense tells me that a whole lot more people should be going down with health problems - too many to be ignored by our dauntless press. Yes, we've heard about the firemen and firepups, but if what you say is correct, then after 5 and 1/2 years we really ought to be seeing a whole lot of people starting to drop.

In Iraq, the figures were "Cancer has increased dramatically in southern Iraq. In 1988, 34 people died of cancer; in 1998, 450 died of cancer; in 2001 there were 603 cancer deaths." (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/95178_du12.shtml)

I assume that whatever was in the mix was blown uptown, crosstown, and to Jersey for a long time.

Finally, it seems unlikely to me that the criminals would lay such a terminal dose of radiation on one of their mmost important centers of operation.

Something burned far longer than can be accounted for even by thermites. I think Masher is onto something big.

Don't assume that anything that big wouldn't be supressed at all costs at the highest level. And it might have been a classic FUBAR DOD type operation - not necessarily intended to contaminate their financial playground - or maybe it was.

Something burned a long time.

New York is the poster child for a raped and looted economy. The plunge protection team now has it's own permanent diggs. The dollar is so beat up that it's in intensive care. And you think that the folk running the killing machine are going to have ANY Qualms about Polluting the shit out of the Ny area that is allready a mess of toxins?
The looting of Gold silver and other precious materials is probably complete.

I think that many times without fanfare Your life is being nuked to death. New York just has a much larger populace to kill.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Project toys will be unleashed in there own time. The EPA is a known contaminator of the facts and there info is the gospel in the Admin's eyes. You will not really see the dropping like files stuff untill a few days into SPLATTERFEST when all those emergency MRE disbursments really kick off the UO2 effect. The Uranium Dioxide is the magic in MK ULTRA plans for your death. A Two part plan for your death.

They cannot have all the destruction you are going to cause so you will be done in on the sly. Don't Eat Government food PERIOD. If you live WITHIN the greater Ny area YOU are going to be subjected to this food after the next false flag. If you accept this mark YOU die that simple. The speed of this wave of death is going to relate DIRECTLY to your proximity of a UO2 event.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Mash, yes, sure, ok, no reason to doubt it to all the economic and toxic booga booga. Simple question: Have all them high level Zionist criminals deserted NYC? Did they all pull out prior to 9/11?

Or have they not been all over the diabolical toxic waste heap you describe the whole time soaking it up like the rest of us?

Or are you saying it's an MK-Ultra sleight of hand DU-exposure + second event booster shot for a 100% cull of the duped? I ain't saying that's not on the cards, I'm just wondering. Fess

If you do look you will surely see that if the MK program is to be used it should be covert.

Part one: infect an area with UO2 catalyst.

Part two: Use water or food chain to sow the other things in a not so traceable manner but wide enough scale to have a larger % effect than other means. The drugs and other chemicals that will be unleashed will be over time and over Areas that will have limited contact with the outside warnings.

The development of Silent Guardian and other microwave systems will be used to keep you eating there food and living in there radiation. The survivors will bury the dead to a point and the city will remain and after a 20 or 50 year period you all will be removed. The scale of this CULL of humanity is not just a Baghdad and New York thing. Elite want you dead ALL 6 billion. They have means to midagate UO2 exposure effects.. and they are not likely to eat the toxic food that starvation will force the poor to eat. So Losers die the Elite bury your dead ass and live off your losses.

But God has a BIG can of bitch slap for the Poisoners. Don't get any FIX on ya you goons.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

About Three Mile Island doesn't mean it's radiation has forgot about you.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Wanna see the cost to ignore Uranium Dioxide?????

See: http://uruknet.info/?p=m31702&hd=&size=1&l=e

Perhaps this will cause you to read the mountain of info available on the use and risks of DU use.

Wanna read the mountain?

http://www.traprockpeace.org/depleteduranium.html

Finish off the material on this page and i will get you some others later. (You will get the mountain reference after a few days.)

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

The Ranges in This video are so contaminated by UO2 (Uranium Dioxide) that even walking and marching will severely contaminate the users of of them. Closure for this and any other range ever used to fire the GAU-8 Avenger II cannon in the Fairchild Republic A-10 "Warthog" as a target for Super Fund cleanup. This is going to happen. Soon or not. But it will. The longer the more it costs America. And there a Crapload of sites far worse that these to be cleaned up by America.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Why does the NYFD not come clean on the beeping rad alert units everyone heard post collapse? Why claim they were locater beepers? Anyone know what particular job has a real need to identify radiation hazards? Would this group of professionals not have small robust environment monitors of a quality susch to respond to a massif Uranium 238 rad plume??

I bet the all do. So why the Cover up then? Is The rad danger real? Can you trust your government? Can you trust the EPA??

Better start looking into this New York. Now.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

When I was sent to Viet Nam (3-68 to 3-69), the military Industrial Complex ( sarcasm, sorry ) had all these neat toys for us to go try out. The Sheridan LAV ( Lightweight Assault Vehicle ), the new and improved M-16 ( Chrome bolt and chamber and loosened back magazine spring to prevent jamming, and fully enclosed muzzle ring ) and a real cool claiymore mine that was a real hit with the grunts ( I was armor). The Sheridan LAV was real close to the ground ( providing a shallow silohette )carried a 155MM main gun round ( on a short barrel ) and fired a 152MM laser (beam) guided rocket that could be tracked (moved with the guidence system) IN FLIGHT!These were really cool star trek goodies back in 1968.I have heard many people say ' our ' technology is actually 50 years ahead of what we know we have.If that's true, particle beam/microwave weapons are ,to me, not that far-fetched. Suppose they wanted to test this weapon but didn't want every one on God's green earth knowing about it...if it worked. So, they design a covert op ( 9-11-01 ) and abra-ka-dabra...instant rubble, death, suffering, and destruction! What's next for their new toys? Start a war ..or two.. in the Middle East. The prizes are multiple..Oil, land, control, fear...and did I mention the idea that if the U.S. of Israel 'owns' Baghdad then the Israelis can get busy rebuilding their Temple in Babylon I mean Baghdad. O.K. maybe I'm way out there, but, at least,I hope you all had an interesting read. Peace to you all.

http://rpd.oxfordjournals.org/
info on What Dosimerty is

Then
http://www.nukalert.com/

A variant of the units i think were heard in numerous quantity's Post collapse of WTC 1&2. I think Most Fire departments use some form of radiation alert during normal operations. The exact form of this device FD and PD units employ is probably a bit more complex but the Beeping alerter to radiation is a common component to most Dosimetry products.

Have a Google or two New York you may need to do some research.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Does the NYFD carry the PAM-1/1R Radiation dosimeter as a part of there normal uniform they protect themselves with when they go into a fire situation? I bet they do. And i bet they will spin the beeping of these units was from the Americium from smoke detectors that caused it.
I will say this the beeping from that pile was (By me at least) never anything but an alarm to a hazard. Smoke unlikely. Personal locater's? Also unlikely or there would be a whole lot more of the beeping as the search grew the does not show up in the record. They clain that these beeps were PLT units from the various places where a firefighter died. Well what triggered these alarms? What failed to trigger the others on non WTC 1&2 sites? Surely a desperate sarch using sound from PLT's would trigger a WHOLE lot of them as they searched NOT right after the collapse? This is bugging me.

So i think i even have Video of a Personal Area Monitor on a Ground Zero firefighter actually going off as a warning. See if you agree.

The file i saw it in is
September_11th_Revisited_V2.wmv
Time from start 8:36
Of the three fire fighters one has a sounding alarm with a amber flashing light Just visible under his right jacket under clothing right close to the body.

Looks like a Dosimeter to me.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

What to do Eh ISS crew. You roasted a vital bit of your toy trying to bloat up on power for some purpose. And now the only prudent thing to do now that you have roasted the main computers is evacuate the platform. Delay as much as fuel will allow it changes nothing at all. Your ship is broken. Can you not hear the warnings?

I bet the NASA boys are even looking at numbers that say that if the crew of ISS is NOT brought down on this shuttle they will not survive until a service mission comes to do a computer replacement task.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

But the kiddies have to go first Eh. Just watch.

http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/116.html

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

..cuts off just where it's getting good, senator Nelson was about to deny knowing the specific locales that were to be compensated for having their homes converted into gas chambers for babies!

"..and this is my own belief; if epa can get away with testing babies, infants, they can get away with anything when it comes to human testing of toxics"

13129 deformed babies in Iraq.

A warning to all New York residents about U-238.

http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m34061&hd=&size=1&l=e

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

In relation to the demolition of the two towers. Really since this thread started and ABSOLUTELY no one mentions this system in either tower.

A Tower this tall and flexible is NOT working without them. There is a ton of BS around the viscous couplings from the basement doing this work SHIT is that talk.

The nearest i can get to mass of these units is 749 tons per tower in either one unit or two symmetrical pair to save space further.

I saw a documentary on i think it was earthquakes and tall towers engineering and this had video of the WTC TMD units slowly moving back and forth. Huge grey concrete blocks with black and yellow warning tape at the edges and center, This connected to the walls with RED shock absorbers 1.5 to 2 meters long. This unit was floated on oil compression bearings seen as long steel plates set into the floor also painted red at the edges. i think i even recall seeing the control unit for the oil pressure to these bearings. This mass is of serious concern to me knowing what i know about bankers and greed.

Lead at say 1476 (738 per) TONS is a frinking EXPENSIVE mass.

But when the energy department GIVES away DU for free and ENCOURAGES it's use AND it's 1.7 times more the mass per volume (You know smaller TMD's or engineering spaces to make the building work.) So did they use PB (lead) or did they use U-238 (Depleted Uranium) ???

Sooner or later this is going to be uncovered once and for all. I sure wish i could get my hands on those WTC construction plans and blueprints for the WHOLE place 1 through 7.

The things they hide with those plans would freak you ALL out trust me.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

..go to NY with a geiger counter..

And you are looking for DU you will need a Mass Spectrometer to detect it. And yes i will some day if i have to even if i have to walk to find out. Any one in the NY area that just happens to have access to a MS You could go to Fresh Kills and gather a sample or two from the EMS vehicle dump areas for me. I would be VERY interested in the levels and ratios you find there. Thanks a great idea Grim!

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

VISEOELASTIC MATERIAL?

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/5558191.html

On the bases of all the steel columns for earthquake shear protections. These Viscous couplers are mush like the ones under Concrete bridges and other masses that may have to take a horizontal sheer force.. These seem to be the thing the yammering heads are trying to lead everyone to think are the SWAY control means when they are for preventing the SERIOUS thick bases of all that flying steel from shattering in a quake event.

The TMD's are needed at least 2/3 of the way up the towers. And absolutely NO building of this TYPE and HEIGHT can work without at least a 600 ton TMD installed to counter natural building vibration frequency's caused by wind and other forces. It could even be more tonnage on them i don't know for sure and won't until a blueprint surfaces on this unit.

And if you look there is a Black Hole of info left from what was one out there on ANYTHING about this new and REVOLUTIONARY TMD system.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

I make the realistic (Using other systems as estimate) There could have been as much 2800 tons of DU on fire to sustain a smoke billow for 4 months. From Sept 11 to well into December from the ground zero site.

All these stupid asses talking chlorine this and the other silly explanations for the Anaerobic fire going for 15 or 16 weeks don't even come 1/100 of the way to explain the fire as i have.

And i tried EVERYTHING to come up with a not DU explanation without any luck for a years worth of attempts if not more.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Do you recall that page you saw on those Viscous couplers in WTC patent page?

This

Well it seems to be another Redacted item About those Tuned Mass Dampers in the WTC towers.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York .

http://www.countercurrents.org/berg120707.htm

Everyone had better get onto the REAL issues of OUR days.

Ignore DU i fracking DARE you.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

"This poison will remain toxic for 4.5 billion years"!! My God, man......that's suicide! Winds can't be controlled and will spread that toxic dust..everywhere.

Fester says: "I would imagine in an emergency the first priority is access to the site. "Get these f*ckin' cars out of the way!" leading to towing some to the first handy spot before heading back and hauling out more. Wouldn'the FDR understructure show signs if a blast had been directed at it sufficient to roast those cars? The road surface and markings look ok. The wall behind the cars appears to be untorched. The painted area above looks a-ok."

I have say that I that "my musings" on this are much in line with what he says here.
The emergency services would have called in tow-truck contractors to clear the area of damaged and destroyed vehicles and I guess any location such as under the FDR would have seemed a handy and practice place to "store" them for any inspection of them later.

I, too, have no idea of the areas in NY as I don't live there or have ever visited. I can only go by other emergency procedures that practice a similar course of action simply out of having to think "on the spot".

Procedure wise the clearing away and transportation to a practical location of debris such as cars and other secondary damaged items would seem in order and in light of the magnitude and scale of the event that these guys had to work, direct and organise things I don't see anything 'conspiratorial' about this situation.

I must stress though that I haven't studied this particular aspect and could very well be missing something.

Those who would be coming and going along this spot in the many days ahead? Perhaps the need was space perhaps it was to do prelim. Decon. tasks Who knows.

And Fester YEAH dude Thats the WHOLE fricking point. This stuff (DU) is a known element and they have had from 45' on to study it I think they KNOW exactly what they are doing with it.

Has anyone looked at Ny area cancer rates? Has even one of these first responders been allowed to speak in public candidly about there health WITHOUT losing all there meds and coverage? Not on your fricking life.

The only way to have molten pools of steel present SIXTY days after 911 is if it was kept so by some form of fuel. The only fuel i can see that will do the job in the spaces at hand and with the physics of enclosed spaces being what they are is Uranium 238. This is the only possible source of such a long term anaerobic fire of this duration. Keep in mind a near flood of water was poured all over that pile for the WHOLE TIME of this fire to no effect. Millions of gallons of water could not put this fire out?? Must be some form of pyroforic reaction must it not?

We need many HUNDRED TONS of fuel to sustain a fire from a single contained source for this long. If you factor all three fires i come to an estimate of 2800 tons of U-238 aerosolized into UO2 gases to cause this long a fire WITHOUT added fuel.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

Can be left on my voice mail.

My WUFYS Voice mail #
403 863 1607

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

On the TMD, it's certain that the effects of DU would be so horrific (see Doug Rokke & Iraq photos) that they wouldn't use in in NYC where their roots are. How many big time Ziorats and their families live in NYC or was there a secret exodus?

In addition, there is an ample number of people "hot on the trail" making a coverup of a radiation nightmare impossible.

Your TUNED MASS DISTRSCTION is an INTERESTING but dead-endly diversionary fork in the road, I'm afraid. How many people will take the turn and piddle away time investigating something we'll never get nor need an answer to.

See
Here

Here

Here

Here

And fin with this

Gary seems to be very shy now I wonder why? ;)

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

What makes you think that DU is the ONLY part of this new age killing machine?

There is probably a PART DU to the story of the USURY doing nasty shit. And i can see from "Shock and AWE" The real magic does not go on UNTIL a major chemical event puts the ZING in DU effects. Any one recall the Huge chemical dump America intentionally blew into the atmosphere?

""By the time of the invasion of Kuwait, Iraq had developed biological weapons. It's advanced and aggressive biological warfare program was the most advanced in the Arab world... The program probably began late in the 1970's and concentrated on the development of two agents, botulinum toxin and anthrax bacteria... Large scale production of these agents began in 1989 at four facilities near Baghdad. Delivery means for biological agents ranged >from simple aerial bombs and artillery rockets to surface-to-surface missiles."

I see it as a TWO part killing Machine.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

Stephen Jones gets promoted a lot , and his strict adherence to the thermate thesis, is one of the reasons I don't entirely trust him. Thermate may have been used to cut some steel beams, but evidence like this, and steel columns turning to dust and evaporated metal, not to mention pools of molten steel, I think point to more exotic weaponry, which would also help explain why no explosives were found. Remember Stephen Jones was the first guy to come out against Cold Fusion, which looked like it could work, however unexplainable it was. There are also photos of vehicles where half is melted while the other half is fine, truly something very bizzare happened here, of course a passport survives so there is no doubt it was those evil islamofascists behind it all.

For the Record that if i could find ANY other explanation for a 8 WEEK + heat source enough to pool steel in 3 places i would have looked at those and not have done this investigation.

Anyone that saw the same documentary on the methods of motion control in Tall buildings on the TV in the 80's
will recall those Huge moving Blocks with the Red shocks out to the walls.

Those things are a SECRET on site Mass of at least 2100 TONS for the Three WTC demo jobs. More like 3500 if the other ones i have seen and the dynamics of that pair of ultra flexible towers.

Unless there was a mass pre packing of the basements with U-238 beforehand the those dampers were charge split into a pool of thermate on the damper room floor (I think the running out parts seen were a IGNITER for the Powder,Granules or even ingots of u-238 counterweight mass that managed to make the EDGE of the floor pan and run out.) further up does anyone recall i said that the dampers were going to RAIN all around the footprint a hail of flaming debris? Well the engines in those vehicles and the General White hot and selective burning of EMS fire and Police units shows that at collapse more than just Thermate was involved.

Oh and on that 54-4 fire house thing on CNN i saw ANOTHER flashing dosimeter on a fireman this time very clearly it was a PAM-1R type unit.

8 weeks and no extra fuel is being introduced AND they darn near flooded the whole bathtub 2 fricking times with the volume of water they pumped into it. Anyone want to guess what you do with water to a U-238 fire? Well contamination will be somewhat higher. But only if you measure it where it is and with Mass spectrometer air samples will anyone see the nasty event this and that Camp FALCON fire were. Ratios of radioactive components above normal of our biosphere are at this time a unknown but the birth defect and leukemia spikes around DU and other RAD sites is not dropping in fact it across the board seems to be in a spiking sort of effect of late.

Fuel and a TWO month burn time will only work with a SERIOUS amount of mass. The only explanation i can rate close enough is Depleted Uranium.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

Caused the pentagon lawn to have a membrane and a gravel layer 12-16 inches thick added to make it safe then how much would a few THOUSAND tons of it require to make safe All of New York?

Ask that in the Wrong room i DARE you.

You look for your self. I wish i was Wrong. But i am not.

Those dampers are a BLACK HOLE of information just like the Blueprints and construction notes for the whole WTC area are. For VERY good reason.

Mass Spectrometer+Fresh kills soil=Very bad news.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

Because there not finished using it's visuals to beat you over the brain with THAT's WHY.

Wake up New York Please!

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

Look at the FRENZY Kera Phillips can whip up about some thing a simple as LEAD painted Toys.

DU is a heavy metal TOO Kera!

Why all the aversion at CNN to even mention America's Depleted Uranium usages?

Every thing seen on TV is SHIT!

If you still use the USERS money you are Hooked! by them.

They can keep there ca$h right here in hell with themselves.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

web.ead.anl.gov/uranium/pdf/WM03MattusDole.pdf

Some NFO on DUCRETE component.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

It will be.. No Rudy! NO!

Thanks DesertPeace !

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

..nice pic, masher! lol!

..now just picture the American patriots just off camera there to the left =D

*SpLaTpLaT*

Crack pot idea to explain a 2 month long fire under ground zero fire i am all ears.

All i can make of the events as recorded at this site is that at least 1800 tons of Uranium-238 TMD components burned in those basements to cause those pools of molten steel or sustain the smoke plume for that long. Nearest i can make it is 8 weeks AFTER 9/11 the plume was out.

The site is i bet on some ledgers listed as a super-site targeted for DECON work much like the Pentagon lawn was soon after 9/11.

The delays in construction on the GZ site are VERY telling as to my theory.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

This one bothers me..

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

..sure you do! look at the weird depiction of American flag! is that normal air force or something? a few more adjustments and who knows what!

Stop the Depleted Uranium Poisoning of America
by Cathy Garger

( NoDUHawaii [at] yahoo.com )

DU is being blasted, burned, fired, and spewed all over our indigenous peoples, suburbanites, and city dwellers alike. It is being dispersed -in nanoparticle form - all over our wild lands, harming innocent people as well as animals, birds, fish, and plants. We must each take a stand now and help to stop this radiation poisoning madness via the weaponized ballistic Uranium!
How You Can Help Stop the Depleted Uranium Poisoning of America

How can we, dear friends, allow the use of "Depleted" Uranium inside the US (or anywhere, for that matter) to continue? Ballistic "Depleted" Uranium is weakening, sickening, and killing our own citizens right here at home.

As we speak, DU is being blasted, burned, fired, and spewed all over our indigenous peoples, suburbanites, and city dwellers alike. It is being dispersed -in nanoparticle form - all over our wild lands, harming innocent people as well as animals, birds, fish, and plants.

So-called "Depleted" Uranium is making us sick, radioactively contaminating our air, water, and soil. DU mutates our genetic material forevermore. To get a concept of the permanency of DU use? Please consider for a moment that in 4.5 Billion years, one-half of the daughter products of "Depleted" Uranium that have decayed and are even *more* radioactive that the US government (Dept. of Defense and Dept. of Energy) has been using since the 1940s will still remain in our environment!

What can we do, you may ask? We must each take a stand now and help to stop this radiation poisoning madness via the weaponized ballistic Uranium that is not Depleted of radiation - despite what the Military Spin-Masters want us to believe!

It matters not whether you choose to help those being "dosed" by Ballistic "Depleted" Uranium in: Los Alamos, New Mexico, or in Hawaii, or near San Francisco, or in other areas, such as Arizona, Nevada, Alaska, off the California Coast, and in Aberdeen, outside Baltimore, Maryland, too.

And - this is important to know - Ballistic "Depleted" Uranium oxide does not stay neatly in one area, but, rather has been show to travel in the winds from Iraq to England - a total of 2,400 miles - within only nine (9) days.*

The important thing is that each and every one of us learn more about this - and decide to take a stand today and get busy! We must educate and inform all those who do not know. We must also take a stand to help Hawaiian Islanders now - * before October 30 * - to stop the Stryker Brigade from further contaminating Hawaiian Paradise!

If you were not previously aware of this... please know you are in good company. Less than three years ago I had no idea whatsoever that any of this was going on, either! It is Uncle Sam's most insidious, "hot" and "dirty" secret - hidden well from public awareness. The practice of using "Depleted" Uranium on many of our military facilities and national nuclear weapons "laboratories" is, in effect, the "nuking" of our very own citizens... yes, America itself.

So many people have written to ask me, "Since when did WE, the American People, become our own enemy?!" The answer seems to be sometime in the 1940s, although many argue that this all started way, way back, even before then...

Won't you please read the following information and join me in taking a stand against what is truly the radiation aerosol/gas poisoning of Americans - by use of ceramic Uranium oxide, a poison gas - by our very own government?

Volunteers are needed now to help keep DU out of Hawaii. To become involved in volunteering to help keep the Stryker Brigade out of Hawaii (they would greatly appreciate even a small amount of your time!) please write to them at: NoDUHawaii [at] yahoo.com .

If all you can do is forward this along to everyone you know and take 5 minutes of your time to write a public comment against the Stryker Brigade being permanently stationed in Hawaii,
http://www.sbct-seis.org/ please know that would mean a whole lot to a great number of people who want nothing more for themselves and their children than to simply breathe clean air and drink clean water and eat healthy food that has not been radiologically contaminated.

Really, if you think about it, isn't the right not to be radioactively poisoned by one's own government a basic human right that has been persistently violated inside the United States for the past 60-plus years?

Thank you so much in advance for your help!

Warm best wishes,

Cathy Garger

(: see here:

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

Someone decided that the Reads counter was too useful. Why?

Seems sort of like the other bits missing that were useful.

Why again?

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

I'm not sure what you're referring to.

But, we're experiencing technical problems with visit counters on individual posts.

they're not working properly.

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I have continued to follow this and your DU mass damper makes more sense than anything I've seen.

I hope you get a break on some info that would help you verify it.

And there are some graphics blocked off this thread. Someone has taken note of it.

"And there are some graphics blocked off this thread. Someone has taken note of it."

What graphics?

What do you mean by "blocked off?"

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The graphics seem to be blocked at their source. It could be a temporary situation, like the problems that this site and others have been experiencing, but if you do an examination of the html source, you'll see that some of the graphics that were here are here no longer.

Here is one for example:

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/4015/riverojudasgoatmf3.jpg

Masher had some here that showed some NYFD vehicles stored in a wet lot. Those are still on the link, but the image on the page here is blocked.

It may be temporary.

By the way, I updated the HTML page to ask that everyone insert a <br> command at the top of their posts.

The command that you have been inserting <!...break..> does absolutely nothing - it's a comment.

Here is the HTML definitions for that "ignore" code and the break:

http://www.htmlcodetutorial.com/_33n45n45n.html

http://www.htmlcodetutorial.com/linepar/_BR.html

(surrounded by > and <), makes sure that nothing after the command shows up on the front page.

The command you included !..break.. (using periods) is not the same as the one I'm talking about !--break-- (which uses dashes).

I don't know if "br" (surrounded by > and < ) serves the same function.

When you post a blog, a green text box appears above the preview with the following prompt:

The trimmed version of your post shows what your post looks like when promoted to the main page or when exported for syndication. You can insert the delimiter "!--break--" (replacing the quotes with the > and < symbols) to fine-tune where your post gets split.

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I'm pretty sure that the <!--break--> command is ignored. I can't find that as an actionable command anywhere.

http://www.htmlcodetutorial.com/_33n45n45n.html

at the top of the preview page (at this site) when you're creating a blog.

First, try creating a blog without the !--break-- and preview (you should see the green text box with the statement I reproduced below). And, if you publish without it, you will see at least a couple of lines from the body of the blog on the front page.

However, when you include the !--break-- code, only the title shows on the front page.

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And there not coming back Eh?

Looks bad....

Very Bad.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

As i said before "3 Nomads in diameter"

But some refuse to see the obvious. Space is NOT what it is has been sold to us as. Not in the least.

Read
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7370
First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

But More here

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7373
If the shit is going to come to a head control of space is CERTAINLY going to be the cause of it MARK MASHER1'S WORDS.

Sooner.

Later.

Certain.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

Another victim of NSA attacks?

That URL going down seems ominous to me.

Your liberty bleeds away....

Daily.

YOU try them at Radio4All

Is gone from the net too.

I think something SERIOUS is going on RIGHT NOW.

Try Radio Indymedia?

Who recalls my fist comment on this post..

A TERRIBLE secret indeed.

3 Nomads in diameter.

http://www.rense.com/general79/wdx1.htm

Tested.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

I'd like to see what happens to this guy.

keep us posted.

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Is gone SOMEWHERE. Look up cash into American space operations. Then look into the corners cut on the shuttle program in the interest of speed to orbit.

Then look at how much stuff the Shuttle program has put into orbit with some 120 missions.

Publicly the amount of space program seen or known about is around 9%-13%

The rest is to fund and FLESH out an Orbital system of hitting a target INSTANTLY and ANYWHERE on the globe.

It's called "GlobalStrike"

Once it is RUNNING WE have few options. If you can not hit the Weapons in orbit YOU ARE A SLAVE TO THEM.

The death star and fire from the sky IS a reality with few defenses.

And if they get there network of satellites OPERATIONAL They win because they hold the high ground of space.

ShitStorm NOW is OUR only hope.

The intentional and irreversible downing of EVERY orbital device IS going to be necessary to AVOID nuclear winter.

And you know China and Russia KNOW all about the American's Plans for all of our lives under there new DEATHSTAR.

You Americans EVEN Gave them the idea of the SuperGun and it's usefulness as an anti-satellite weapon.

The Chinese and the Russian DON'T want to end the human use of space in the least BUT THEY WILL.

Keep it up AMERICA i fucking DARE YOU.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

You might be interested in this video:

Arsenal of Hypocrisy: The Space Program and the Military Industrial Complex

Grain elevators blowing up form so called "Grain Dust" around 78'

Tests.

I have been looking into the American LIES about space Ever since then.

If i can see so can other MORE interested parties America.

If I "GOT IT" as a kid Just how more "Onto it" the whole world is by now is plain to see.

America is going to step into territory it should just not venture.

Fuck her if she does.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

Is going to be fought with OPERATIONAL NEUTRAL PARTICLE BEAM WEAPONS IN SPACE.

CHopmers and Gangnon Will NEVER mention the Above term.

NPB weapons fire INVISIBLE Bolts of energy hence the NEUTRAL part.

The power station for this system is what they are FURIOUSLY putting into orbit burned up shuttles be damed.

Once this is done ALL weapons of our day now are USELESS and MOOT.

A NPB can MELT TOTALLY a aircraft carrier 100%

NPB's are the game. All the yammering like the spue about lasers from this pair in above movie is NOT going to fool anyone.

These boys have tested this NPB unit and USED it for 3 ultra important shots on 9/11.

No one saw it BECAUSE it was NEUTRAL. The afterglow Gave it away. 3 shots to set alight a Many ton scattering of U-238 Granules.

And once you have a operational NPB system then they can SWEEP and CLEAR ANY SPACE THEY WANT.

SO once they get it going they can in VERY SHORT ORDER VAPORISE TOTALLY 100% ANY target like Everyone else's satellite's.

Clearing the Space junk is a SIMPLE matter for a NETWORK of NPB's but Bruce Gagnon will not tell you this. Chompers will not either for one good reason.

THEY are in the EMPLOY of the American space effort. Use SERIOUS discretion in viewing this bit of film.

An NPB can negate most ground based attacks. Only overwhelming mass attack from enough ground stations to over come the system to defend its self will have any chance of success.

I know how to do it. China Knows how to do it. Russia KNOWS JUST HOW TO DO IT.

Is America going to shoot herself in the head?

I think they are going to blow it CLEAN off.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

More on the stuff buddy imaged of Space machines of unknown use or purpose..

Seen here

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

Read this 250+ book if you would like some of the insight into the horror of low level rad exposure.(PDF)

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

Merry Christmas Masher!

i see smoke

A rense bit on my topic Sort of..

some may see else.. but i do not.

Mass..

Those impact points were to the TMD's spaces i am certain.

Impacts designed to rupture the containers to ensure a wide distribution of the U-238 inside the concrete container riding upon the steel plate bearings.

Those bearings WERE the reason for the extra heavy floors at that point. Water storage,AC chillers,Water pumps,Furnaces,Electrical transformers and yes Virginia a whole whack of lead/acid emergency backup battery packs Perhaps 3-4% of those spaces held lead/acid packs.
all this needed a super floor not some server room even a super one.
Denial is hard to see with the level of BS this bit goes to Add THERE Weight to the zone.

The TMD is the issue. The TMD and the element used to weigh it down. WTC TMD is over 680 Ton! each! Plus all the other many ton gear like the chillers (AC gas compressors and motors.) The water Storage tanks for the top third tier must have been HUGE too.

Everyone skipping over all these VERY important issues of WTC construction will tip you to who is bull shit and who is not.

Because 911 is going to have a lot of very bad news swirling about it in the days to come.

Use your eyes close and watch for the bits most left out whilst sorting out this bunch of criminals.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

The only link out other than video our outlaw Bollyn put out at the bottom.. Very telling i would say.

But the masses need there crack Eh Chris? You Have Em Covered Eh?

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

This man has 'GlobalStrike' Right in his telescope.

Part five

And the views confirm some unknown SECRET developments in Geo S. orbit. You know "PLATFORMS' in stable orbit over the earth. Wanna guess why?

If you saw the videos you saw a magnetic apprature of gargantuan proportions.

Part of making 'Ants' burn on the surface.

looking for a workable terrestrial source for global strike to even close to meet it's billing will meet with ZERO luck.

Looking at Walston's Video i say he has a finger pointed SQUARE at the source of the instant 'Hit any spot on the earth' Global Strike unit with a rating of 8.9 out of 10.

Neutral Particle Beam Weapons make GS work.

Mr Walston has many of the larger parts on video. China,Russia and Japan have the REST.

They ALL see the stupid Americans at work. They ALL have a plan to shit on your so called "Global Strike" system.

And that plan will COST us all the use of space.

America WILL to blame for this loss. And folk are going to be feeling the loss TRUST me.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

What a gargantuan waste of money, eh Masher!
By 'space' i mean NOT including ORBiT of Earth.

Hopefully they won't come back!

No more gieger counters in NYC - Hmmmmm

..but know where the zoopremites' ill will is focused; on taking away your ability to detect ALL THiNGS TERROR. Why? Why in NYC? Again?

Get ready.

Evil domestic Mass Spectrometer work done WITHOUT there control chain to keep the lid on the results.

NYPD Seeks an Air Monitor Crackdown for New Yorkers

Not on my watch.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

Shuttle mission is going to run up against some trouble.

What are you Yanks DOING up there? An just what are you doing with dudes on the surface spouting off like this..

"Columbus — a $2 billion high-tech laboratory — is the European Space Agency's primary contribution to the space station. In the making for 23 years, the lab has endured station redesigns and slowdowns, as well as a number of shuttle postponements and two shuttle accidents.

It will join the U.S. lab, Destiny, already flying for seven years. The much bigger Japanese lab Kibo, or Hope, will require three shuttle flights to get off the ground, beginning in March.

The Europeans also are on the verge of launching their new cargo ship, Jules Verne. It's scheduled to blast off from French Guiana in early March.

"There's going to be a lot of pride, a lot of people with good feelings in their stomachs, when these things go up," said Europe's space station program manager" Alan Thirkettle.

Hmmmm ?? Powerplant?? And this Jules Verne cargo is it fuel for that plant?? I mean if you all are broke and collapse is imminent it seems like a silly thing to slough off Trillion's on the ISS.

For what?

The only thing America blows TRILLION's on is WEAPONS. The lie about peaceful space needs to be dealt with NOW.

You Americans know that the Russian anti-atmosphere algorithms in there ground based telescopes is far better than you think. You are not as sneaky as you thought.

I am betting that your not going to be allowed to launch the final bits of your "Global Strike" system.

God has a fix for EVERY evil. Even the American EVIL.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

A test.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

Hey, did you use Web Extractor to save the entire WUFYS site? (How big is it?)

Thanks bro.

Is Sleeping at the moment under a heap of plastic and sheets so that answer will have to wait.

I was thinking of DVD iso torrent at some point once i have fiber lines.

Painting is a pain but i will let you know. I think that mirror covers the WUFYS point very well and it's also a nice 'Edit" of all the crap After 'Them' moved in.

Will post a ISO of that mirror as a torrent after i can put 5 Seeds to it and ensure it is working good.

I still have a pair of trucks to fix before that tho.

I also notice RadioForAll is a cutout this week. Anyone else having trouble browsing there?

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

yeaa! thanks.

What'll it be for Shoah this time eh? Iran, Pakistan or Venezuela? An Orient express perhaps?

So what's the easy way to save all this nifty information?

Website Extractor?

Here, this'll freak you out a little!






..my firs2 hyperlinked+animated pixures =)

The gatekeeping on this Thermate issue continues. this time from a... Jon Gold

The bit in Question

Dr. chemist, university lecturer.

He claims proof

We KNOW 'Thermate' is not sufficient to sustain a fire of that size and duration in those conditions.

U-238 can an does model very well for even 12 weeks from a 1400-1600 TON fuel load.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

The NASA boys have the turnaround down to 3 weeks.

A new huge manipulator delivery to the ISS this week.

America is almost Dead economically speaking and then there is NASA and there orgy of consumption before there 'TRUCK' the shuttle turns up lame and YOU have to BUY a Replacement FLEET. Trillions gone to what Exactly??? A robot??

'With 11-foot arms, a shoulder span of nearly 8 feet and a height of 12 feet, the Canadian Space Agency's "Dextre" — short for dexterous and pronounced like Dexter — is more than a little intimidating, at least for astronaut Garrett Reisman.'

Oh yeah they are doing something up there all right.

Good luck with that.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

Some insight

http://cns.miis.edu/cns/activity/061130_npr/media/061130_npr.mp3

Have a listen.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

I am not playing around here.

www.nytimes.com/2008/03/25/science/25bats.html

All life is going through serious changes on one account alone..               Uranium.

Mark my words Uranium 238 use is killing FAR more than you will ever know. Uranium mining,reprocessing,enrichment and consumption ALL increase the rad load of the whole planet... Nothing can hide.

Right now. Tomorrow. Next week,Year,Decade.....

Find a fix or we all perish.

.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

To hide the fact that the 9/11 event was not only a false flag but ALSO a masive self induced population control event running 20 or so years long Much like Cherynobl? Three Mile Island?  Iraq? Diamona?

All targeted at the most popuous part of the Americas??

I DO.

You should find out why a farmer is this certain. You live there.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

Hey Great NEWS... We have Charlton Heston with a nice COLD DEAD HAND...

Someone shoot over there and PRY THAT GUN loose.

I sniff a GREAT Ebay fight for that particular item.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

you need chelation therapy.

911 WTC Nuclear
Toroid-Shaped Gas Pattern

More Evidence To Support The Nuclear
Melting Of Cars At The WTC
By Ted Twietmeyer

c. 2008 Ted Twietmeyer
5-11-8

 

To support the nuclear toroid theory, we need to look at atomic blasts on the surface of the Earth. We will also look at photos of Tunguska, Hiroshima and the WTC for evidence of such blasts. This paper is only the beginning.       Fig.1 ­ Basic shape of a toroid   A toroid has two characteristics ­ First, the shape inherently has an endless loop around its periphery. Second, there is a rotation of energy perpendicular to the ring shape as illustrated below. In Fig. 2 this is labeled "toroidal circulation of hot gases":       Fig. 2 ­ Toroid shape in a nuclear blast according to Virginia Tech [1]         Fig. 3 ­ Bikini Atoll nuclear test shows the toroid gas shape. Since this detonation took place on a tiny island, must of what we see here is probably steam from ocean water. Objects visible near the bottom of the image are old, scrapped ships used for testing damage patterns from the blast.   TUNGUSKA EXPLOSION   In 1908 a massive explosion took place at Tunguska in Russia. This part of Russia is a very hostile place even in summer, where netting is used to provide protection from swarms of mosquitoes. No one lives near the site of the blast, although it did create on- going effects in the area. Sound from the blast was heard up to 1,000 miles away. Below is an aerial photo of the area after the blast:         Fig. 4 ­ The 25 mile wide Tunguska crater shows a toroid shape (aerial photo) Researchers are almost evenly divided among those who think it was of extraterrestrial origin such as an exploding UFO, and those who believe it was a comet or asteroid.       Fig. 4a ­Melted spheres were found formed from intense heat at Tunguska   Russian scientists were astounded when they finally visited Tunguska several years later. They found a stand of trees still standing in the very center of the swamp. This was also determined to be the epicenter of the blast and radiation levels were elevated in the area. Genetic damage to both people and wildlife from radiation has also been observed.   In the mid-1980s the US Navy announced to the American media Tesla's weapon was tested on the same day of the Tunguska explosion. This author clearly recalls hearing it announced in mainstream newspapers and fellow engineers at work were talking about it that day. However, I have not been able to find it on the web as of this writing.   HIROSHIMA   Hiroshima is synonymous with nuclear devastation. What many people may or may not know is that directly below the location of the overhead nuclear detonation in Hiroshima, is a building which did not vaporize. That building is still standing to this day as a memorial to what happened:         Fig. 5 ­ Hiroshima government building   The fact this building survived an overhead atomic bomb detonation provides more empirical evidence that the toroid blast pattern theory is correct. At the center of the blast force vectors would cancel out while radiating outwards from the center. Tremendous heat from the atomic bomb didn't vaporize the concrete structure, because the building was at the center of the toroid. This is something like being in the eye of a hurricane where all is calm.   WTC NUCLEAR EVIDENCE   Much has been previously written about a nuclear event on Sept. 2001. Elevated tritium levels have been measured in run-off from fire-hose water at about 27 times the normal level in the environment. Tritium is formed during nuclear reactions. According to Dr. Ed Ward, "Two billion pounds seemed like an extremely large amount of particulate matter from buildings whose total weight has been quoted at around 3 billion pounds. Debris removal has been quoted at 1.2 billion pounds. Based on these rough numbers two- thirds of the building was indeed turned to dust or vaporized." [2]       Fig. 6 ­ Rolling toroid pattern of debris was visible in 2001 during the Building's entire descent           Fig. 6a ­ Another image taken with a different camera showing toroid hot gas circulating and attempting to pull material inward toward the building as it falls. When the plane first hit the building this effect was not observed. The toroid shape did not appear until the building began to fall some time later. This would appear after a nuclear detonation took place.   In an atomic blast according to Virginia Tech, superheated gases roll in a circular pattern as illustrated in Fig. 2. A rolling- doughnut effect is the result of superheated gasses. Figure 2 is shown below along with a rough outline of the building for reader convenience:           Fig.7 ­ WTC dust and dirt with the toroid effect [1]   Building debris such as steel and chunks of concrete are too heavy for hot gasses to lift upward. That material will simply fall back to Earth. Logically, the lightest material (such as 30 years of accumulated dust) and pulverized building material will be lifted upward and may not immediately return to Earth (see top Fig. 6.) Other material not visible will be vaporized during detonation and the initial fireball. Dr. Ed Ward also was among the first to point out that considerable mass was missing in the building rubble and was never accounted for.       Fig. 8 ­ Wreckage from the 47 box beam core bent into a hair-pin shape, as though it was attempting to roughly follow the shape of the toroid. This beam is kept in a restricted area. Why would ANY scrap metal be kept in a restricted area? Is it still radioactive? (Image is from a frame of a news broadcast.)           Fig. 9 ­ Text from Port Authority Jan 2006 PDF document (page 17) prohibiting unauthorized photography [3]. Why?           Fig. 10 ­ Is this more evidence of an electromagnetic pulse? Vehicles were ignited, but not paper lying on the ground or in trees.   In conclusion, the toroid shape of the falling building dust pattern provides evidence that a nuclear event happened that day, timed to occur in concert with the plane impact. This also fits observations in my earlier work "What May have Melted WTC Vehicles?" at http://www.rense.com/general75/melt2.htm   If a specially developed secret nuclear weapon were used, radioactive half-life of fallout may have been dramatically shortened to days or weeks. One method to do this was demonstrated on an ABC morning show on June 10th, 1997. The Patterson power cell reduced radioactivity (Patent #4,533,66) in a mix of Thorium and Uranium decreased by a measurable amount in only an hour on live television. In the intervening 4 years between 1997 and 2001, considerable progress may have been made into implementing that concept into a "clean" nuclear weapon. Tritium appears to be at least one radioisotope created during the event that can still be measured.   Ted Twietmeyer tedtw@frontiernet.net www.data4science.net     REFERENCES and SOURCES [1] www.cddc.vt.edu/host/atomic/images/enw77b2s.gif   [2] http://www.serendipity.li/wot/ed_ward/use_of_abombs.htm   [3] http://www.panynj.gov/drp/pdfdocs/wtcsite/wtcsiteaccess.pdf

http://www.rense.com/general81/d3hr.htm

The moment it was posted and all i will say is this.... Watch MY birdy!

Pure BS damage control.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

My first question:

What happen to the people around those cars?

Good call!

The effect that caused the 'Spire' i think was tuned to a wavelengths to heat very dense material Very Quickly (The 'Afterglow' lasts for a very short time) A target like a human would be affected but would not have the density to be seriously adsorbing much of the energy.

A target like a U-238 granule would on the other hand heat very quickly in the same effect zone on plain density alone.

Human tissue is mostly water.. A sheild if you will.. and Uranium is a resilient and dense target for MOST of the same energy to be adsorbed into the granule. The target temperature of 190+ degrees is all they needed over the WHOLE area to ensure no eagle eyed investigator find even one U-238 granule.

If you find or have the Blue Prints you can prove this with a slide rule and a pencil in a few hours math because they cannot hide the 1.7 times the weight of lead factor if you have the TMD system dimensions of even a basic layout diagram.

So i search for this bunch of drawings.

You should too. You would not believe the importance of them.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

An area close to the WTC site with plenty of firemen and other response to the pre-collapse situation and you can't see shit on the ground whilst this effect is reacting to dense but microscopic particles in the dust cloud (Perhaps the Americium from the smoke detectors??) and being recorded as an Afterglow just post collapse on THREE occasions But there are Plenty of post collapse fires in the area with nothing but WEIRD circumstances all around them hence the first insightful post by Claymore Mind here.

Lightning strikes the same event once... but Three times... a plan is afoot..

A VERY careful plan.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

Wubbles to you,No trouble.D to fetch others Whenever. Sorry.

My work is tough.

No faults.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

NSA tricks are for Kiddies.

Your demise is going to be some party starter ;)

See ya!

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

Query: Just how (If a plane hit the pentagon) Is it that there was NOT a huge trail of fire from where the so called jet was cut up by colliding FIRST with the light poles well BEFORE flying over the lawn and alleged hitting to have hit pentagon?

No fire no Plane.

WRH seems to think a plane hitting a light pole a well over the planes VNE will not damage it. Fuck the fact it hit FIVE poles with No fire on the lawn?

And we live in a pod?

I think Mike is in a pod.

see:http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/ppfinal.html

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

There is a Hole seen in a photo marked "PUNCH OUT" i have seen this as a pre demo mark spray painted to outline the holes workers need to remove to allow the skid steer bucket loaders access for the clean out process PRE demolition well before any WORK takes place. Why claim an EXIT HOLE? when it is clearly a hole made by a hydraulic machine for access to the site AFTER the 11th of September.

Why do you and others not pounce on this photo and say these things of such an obvious nature mister Rivero?

Why use them to further a lie?

Is living on an island COOL? Why is it i have zero luck even listening to one of your shows?

In short you are NASA elite and i have seen too many of your deceptions not to have a rather harsh filter on your content.

P.S. if you look up the TIN MAN photo i posted you can see the WRH link of mine sporting its warning tag "LIES" in that picture.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

Who has found the plans of these TMD systems from the WTC towers?

You?

How about You?

The total lack of info about this VERY important system AND the refusal to allow the WTC plans to be published can only be interpreted a few ways.

And the US government is scared shit-less about every one of those interpretations of this secrecy.

An Ex-Homeless street urchin to five horse farmer Brought you this info. All of it is as far as i can tell is true EVEN with with my limited mathematical knowledge of the precice properties of the various states and reactions of this element U-238.

You really only need to think about the cause of a sixty (60) day long fire in an oxygen starved debris filled WATER DROWNED crucible filled with a SERIOUS amount of STEEL BEAMS poked into it then further hindered by tons and tons of powered concrete.

Sixty days.

Forget the ASBESTOS.

Bugger the other contaminants... if you carry a lung of this ceramic shit you are going to need help.

Ask the dude that had to care for the dozens of fire dogs.

Ask him if the pile was responsible for giving a large amount of those dogs RAD sickness??

Almost every dog seen in the videos of the effort on the ground zero pile is DEAD.

Do you her anything about the FIREMEN with RAD sickness?

Live in the area?

FUCK THEM. They are going to have to ANSWER all my Questions soon.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

Was planned and thought up some time BEFORE those towers were even drawn up.

THEY had the plan to kill. They built the whole place with a bomb on EVERY floor pan from the very first floor to the top BUILT INTO the corrugated steel floor pan units.

Three layers,One Steel,One C4 and another steel all pressed together and edge sealed to keep the active C4 fresh.

Then at the needed environmental remediation process the WHOLE system is set up. The needed DEMO gear is introduced and inserted into the ceiling spaces and a whole bunch of holes are drilled to insert blasting caps and wire into those floor plate blasting sheets.

Day one.

And EVERYONE involved is still running the show with a huge cart full of bull shit.

Oh and on the ground i would expect to not find too much rad... Most of the tonnage of those TMD units was added to the WHOLE atmosphere of this planet.

Or everyone gets a dose just as they have planed.

At 1400 tons of U-238 burned to hide crimes and kill...

You should at least check it out.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

What do you have to say about the PAM1/R topic? You are the retired Fire guy are you not? So What Up Do the FD of modern cities use the Personal Area Monitor system? I KNOW you should know.

Spill it.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

You on the PAYROLL too?

That you GB? Mr Frank Pilla?

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

I KNOW. You should Know Mr Retired Fire Department.

We will just ASSUME you are not willing to speak up about this PAM1/R hazard detection system for the FD.

Talk to you Later Greg.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

Seventy Five percent of US see Your works.

We will force you into the light.

Nothing will stop US!

And that includes the Diaper Eating Mossad.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:

Been awhile.

for a particular reason?

How many by a show of hand buy the bullshit of the many yammering heads about highly explosive nano thermate????

Seems to me plenty of folks have fallen for the lies.

Funny as shit.

Oh well it is a good way to see the bullshitters at work.

Have to laugh!

Watch the whole series, but watch these 5 first to answer the questions that were asked in this thread!

Masher, you were correct

I've got at least four problems with this theory:

1. If the entire buildings were supposed to have turned to dust up to a certain height, leaving the tops solid, and each tower collapse initiated from the point where the plane hit (footage of WTC2 collapse here, WTC1 collapse here), the nukes would've had to have been buried at different distances beneath each tower to ensure that they only disintegrated up to a certain height (height of plane strike), which would've been very difficult. Much easier to do with thermate.

2. If the twins were turned to dust by nukes, how do you explain the solid projectile steel columns that ended up embedded in surrounding buildings, and these intact ground-level core columns (which were closest to the blast radius)? You can't have some of the steel disintegrating and some of it remaining completely solid, with no middle ground.

3. Khalezov tells us at 7:30 into part 14 that the nukes had to be planted under the twins by a railway system on the day, and that's why they had to demolish WTC2 before WTC1 (even though WTC1 was hit first), because if WTC2 collapsed before WTC1 it would've destroyed the railway delivery tunnel leading to WTC2. But if he's saying the tunnels were still open on the day rather than sealed up by a shitload of set cement or concrete days or weeks prior to the event, it means that there's another path of least resistance from each blast site. The open tunnels factor fucks up his initial diagramatic explanation of how the blasts would be focused upwards into the underground sections of each tower and then up into the buildings to a certain height, turning them to dust. The tunnels would need to be sealed before the blast, but he says they weren't, and that's why WTC1 was taken down first.

4. How do you explain the presence of nanothermite in four different samples of the WTC dust?

Read this for the radioactivity levels.

http://www.nucleardemolition.com/files/Download/GZero_Report.pdf

Right in front of our eyes.

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All the Demetri Khazelov tapes 1-26

http://nodisinfo.blogspot.com/

Nuclear demolitions

http://www.nuclear-demolition.com/

peaceful use of nuclear arms treaty

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peaceful_nuclear_explosions

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Atomic_Demolition_Munition

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medium_Atomic_Demolition_Munition

http://www.567thadm.org/index_files/Page368.htm

nuclear testing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_nuclear_testing

www.freewebs.com/nuclear411/ nucleartesting.htm

Interesting sites- - worth a look

http://www.nucleardemolition.com/files/Download/GZero_Report.pdf

http://www.nucleardemolition.com/

http://www.nucleardemolition.com/controldem.html

http://www.reformation.org/ground-zero.html

http://wtcdemolition.blogspot.com/

Oh, my!

I just finished reading the PDF found at your link:

http://www.nucleardemolition.com/files/Download/GZero_Report.pdf

Regrettabley I have not taken the time before today to read this excellent analytical report.  Makes me feel bad for those who lived in NYC during 911 and the long term radiation exposure effects to come.

Among my thoughts are what were these reactors generating electrical power for?  Emergency power for the Manhattan, secret underground city, secret DOD facility, or a power source for the PTB?

Reminds me of stumbling upon the hydroelectric plant in remote Quebec Cananda while surfing the net.  Seems that a Rothschilds owned operation built a self contained hydroelectric plant into the side of a granite cliff; they carved it out of granite and bragged that the generator rotors were made from the largest castings of stainless steel ever made.  Though I digress, it seems apparent that if one has enormous quantities of money no cost is an obstacle.  If you wanted your own fast breeder reactor (or two) then build it,...secretly.

Many mysteries and answers to gnawing questions were explained to me today and I am gratelful. This knowledge does not change anything regarding  the perpetrators but it does open up new possibilities to test for direct evidence of intentional demolition.  It also paints an even more sinister picture of the perpetrators in that millions of people will be long term victims of 911, in addition to those already killed in NYC and killed in Iraq/ Afghanistan.

Should anyone find the time to read it you won't be disappointed but will be even more outraged.  These fucksticks are beyond evil.

They weren't reactors.  They were  Nuclear Demolition munitions used under patent held by CDI that were declared to the Soviets under the terms of the Peaceful use of nuclear devices treaty, according o Dimitri Khalezov. 

The demolition system was a condition to building the WTC.  Rockefeller built them to be destroyed after he assumed the Presidency under the 25th Amendment.  The Towers were built to be destroyed!

Watch 7-13 for all the details.

All the Demetri Khazelov tapes 1-26

http://nodisinfo.blogspot.com/

I'm still researching.

I watched the videos and they don't answer the question of the large amounts (percentage in dust samples) of Strontium, Barium, Zinc, etc.  The PDF goes into much detail as to the secondary and tertiary radioactive decay elements and estimates that a thousand tons of U235 would be neccesary to explain the amounts found, not enough in one two or several nuclear devices to account for.  Although it is pure speculation regarding 'reactors' it does explain the quantities of collected material.

Mr. Khalezov's presentation certainly explains all the mechanics and the observable effects of nuclear devices (150 Kilotons ea.) much better.  His presentation is simple and convincing.  Perhaps we'll never know exactly but I am much further educated today than yesterday.

This thread is huge, but go back and look at Masher's posts on the possibility of DU, because of it's weight, being used as the tuned mass damper system for the WTCs.  They surely had a TMD system.

With all due respect, depleted uranium does not convert to tons of strontium or barium or any other nuclear decay product unless its involved in a fission reaction, but since it is already depleted one would need to expose the TMD with neutrons first.  Also, assuming there was a TMD system, lead is much cheaper, easy to fabricate and readily available.  25mm depleted rods are more readily fabricated into projectiles or locked away in storage. Besides, just because lead is less dense than uranium (11.4 g/cm3 vs 19.0 g/cm3) why would an architect need to conserve space in a building that has nearly 100 acres of floor space?  If the TMD was a suspended 'slab', the lead TMD would be 60% thicker than the DU slab (Ex. 5 ft thick vs 8 ft thick).

This entire argument of mine hinges, of course, on the veracity of the dust samples and the assumption that a TMD was fabricated from DU.  Frankly, there are too many unanswered questions and suppositions to arrive at any conclusion.

Sixty PLUS days of fire on the ground zero site MUST be fueled by some source. Many millions of gallons of water must have been evaporated in some way. Thermate is SERIOUSLY short on mass to say it is the fuel. Just what OTHER fuel could have sustained a 2 MONTH long fire? What could have produced the molten pools of steel? Burning Uranium 238 is one of a few possible fuels to fit the events AND the evidence. All this nuke demo shit is just that shit. Fresh Kills land fill holds every thing one needs to CONFIRM the U-238 fuel/DU tuned mass damper thing. Not one source has even come close to ANY realistic explanation for the fires and their duration save one.... Mine.

And you know who will be laughing the hardest once this is proven.... ME that's who. Laughing my ASS off. You have had since March 2007 to look into the mess that is this fire. Plenty of time to get your OWN head around the facts. Plenty of time to ask Why so much foot dragging on any rebuilding of the site. Plenty of time to go out to Fresh Kills landfill and gather up some samples to test in a mass spectrometer. Plenty of time for a whole plethora of proofs to be uncovered.... But shit is still seeking the "Nuclear demolition" tit after all this time. You have been warned. Keep in mind the DU TMD issue is not just limited to the WTC site. If you wanted to do large scale contamination you might just have been building other very tall buildings in the very same danger filled way. Look around folks do you see big biz contaminating OUR world with reckless abandon?? I do. So Prove me wrong about the DU tuned mass dampers i dare you. No rational logical stream has even come within a thousand miles of MY explanation for the duration of the fires or melted steel found on the site. Not one. I have looked. Thoroughly.

It's up to you to prove your theory...then what?  I am quite convinced that the event was a planned demolition by a whole host of known perpetrators and accomplices; your speculation adds nothing but egotistical chest pounding.  Me, me, me, me......

Explain why the gold was undisturbed and unmelted.

Workers at Ground Zero discover large amounts of gold and other precious metals stored below the ruins of the WTC. As debris is removed they are able to access parts of the 16-acre WTC basement, which drops 70 feet below ground level. Precious metals are stored in numerous vaults within this area.

Plenty of time to go out to Fresh Kills landfill and gather up some samples to test in a mass spectrometer.

Hey Masher, did you go to Fresh Kills landfill to gather samples? Have you tested them?

your speculation adds nothing but egotistical chest pounding.  Me, me, me, me......

That about sums it up. Masher in a nutshell.

What better way to turn people's attention away from WHO did the crime than to have them obsessing about HOW it was done.

Besides, just because lead is less dense than uranium (11.4 g/cm3 vs 19.0 g/cm3) why would an architect need to conserve space in a building that has nearly 100 acres of floor space?  If the TMD was a suspended 'slab', the lead TMD would be 60% thicker than the DU slab (Ex. 5 ft thick vs 8 ft thick).

Exactly. DU's utility as a counterweight really only comes into play where space is at a premium, such as its former use for trim weights on aircraft.

Melting point of gold = 1948 F

Melting point of steel = 2777 F

The gold should have been in a puddle. 

@ Sully- Fresh kills is an American place. New York is an American state. So no i have not invaded your land to do work AMERICANS should be doing for themselves.

As to the density thing, Uranium was chosen not for the sole purpose of mass. DU was chosen for the DUAL purpose of reducing the TMD size and more importantly to have on site the fuel to destroy as much proof as possible before any nosy investigators saw it.

I Challenge ANY person to come up with an explanation for the duration of the fires on the site. So far NOT one explanation is even close to a rational explanation for a 60 to 80 day long fire in a concrete bathtub covered with tons and tons of powdered concrete and twisted steel with the exception of mine.

Calling me a chest pounding egotist with a Me complex is just more smoke and little else. I have put forth an explanation of the fires that could be true,Has technical merit,And fits the events. Not one other explanation is even remotely close to mine.

I am very confidant that when the event gets it's time in the light of a REAL investigation my explanation is going to be confirmed. You Poo flingers just add to the feelings of unease regarding this fire.

I am certain at some point the blueprints for these towers are going to become public,The TMD system and it's placement will be seen and the whole event WILL undergo many MANY computer simulations.

I have ZERO doubt of the truth of the demolitions will come out. P.S. Do you still think that there was tons and tons of gold still under the two towers on September 11 2001?

???Please - any idiot could check on this in less than one minute - one of many stories is below.

But you're going to ask us to "prove it" - how adolescent is that?

So tell us how the gold remained intact and not in a puddle.

AP Online
11-01-2001
Buried Gold, Silver Removed From WTC

NEW YORK (AP) -- When terrorists flew two hijacked planes into the World Trade Center, they destroyed much of the twin towers -- and buried $200 million worth of gold and silver under the rubble.

On Wednesday, Mayor Rudolph Giuliani announced that most of the precious metals -- held in vaults by Canada's Bank of Nova Scotia -- had been safely recovered.

``I think we have most of it. I'm not sure we have all of it yet,'' Giuliani told reporters. He confirmed that armored cars heading to and from the site were carrying the gold and silver.

The precious metals, stored in a Bank of Nova Scotia …

Why go to the landfill when you can have a piece of the WTC sent to you?

Only 39.99 from Ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/AUTHENTIC-PIECE-WORLD-TRADE-CENTER-9-11-WTC-TWIN-/350377137524?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item51941ad574

I guess you do beleve.

Does not make it true.

And to quote a Guliani comment is just funny.

I suppose you think Fort Knox is loaded with the yellow metal too eh?

Better pull your head out of the sand.

"Belief"?  There are several hundred news articles documenting this.    Your argument isn't even rational. 

And All ANY of them saw was a bunch of armored cars. Did you inventory any of them? Did any of the reporters climb into any of them and confirm the STORY they were told???? NO.

Were you there during 9-11?  Did you actually see it happen?  Are you sure those planes weren't blue screened?  How do you know there was a fire burning for 60 days?  How do you know there were melted cars?  Maybe they were just photoshopped in.  Maybe the "witnesses" were plants.  And on and on and on.............................................

The above is about what you sound like.

No, none of us were there and all we have is others reportage to go on.  Acting as if scores of reports on the presence of gold aren't valid is making you look certifiable.  Why don't you look it up yourself.

Blah Blah Blah...

Well here we are. Nine years along. I still have yet to see even one theory on the sixty day long fires at ground zero that is more compelling than the one i have put forth.

Not one. Nine years time.

Denial is a much cherished and protected state.

None are so blind as those that refuse to see.

Enjoy the denial time you have left folks.

Reality is on it's way!