This Daryl persona is So clever that if i (or anyone else) points out his lies directly he just comes up with another line of crap to gloss over his lies.
I could feed you but tomorrow you will be just as hungry. Learn how to feed yourself this food and you will be able to share your help too.

I will not help them vet the parts of there show that they are trying to fix. if they (Daryl and Eric) cannot see there own lies and mistakes of spook craft i will not help him remove or cover them up. All you need to look at in regards to Daryl and Eric is to look VERY carefully at there DEEDS.

Anyone that sat through the early shows of his will see the real face of that man wherever he is. And if they grab his ass and Stand him up before the man
then i will come with my records on this person and his (as i know them to be) lies.

I know you all want me to burn him BUT you all need to see the things that evil man hides behind. I cannot lead you to your own enlightment i can only tell you i have seen it and you need to see his clever tricks with your own eyes and awareness because it's different for everyone to ever cross the IATW threshold. The MOST effective way to mis direct someone is to mix 2% propaganda with 98% truth. then the 2% gets a much better time doing it's work. Daryl is a user of this ratio i have seen it a lot in his works.

P.S. let me know if you want to hear any of the Early shows of his i have most all of them up to MAR 06'

And i am not even sort of fuzzy about the CIA pay cheques to DBS either.If there not paying him they have a mountain of dirt on him in lieu of the actual cash.
First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Masher, you're gonna go blind young if you keep that up.

Why would a Zionist CIA plant expose the crimes of the Zionists and their puppets?

It makes no sense. If he is a plant he would hide their crimes and misdirect in that way.

I think there are lots of people who have exposed the Zionists and Daryl thinks he is 'the one of a few', which I think is pretentious...but it makes no sense to see him as a Zionist plant. Suspicions are normal and healthy...but so far there is little evidence...except for the fact that he is allowed to say what he does....I am surprised he has not been taken care of by the Assasins or an 'accident'.

Leftie, I don't know the details of the DBS-Piper falling out. I do trust Bollyn and Smith.

The reason to let truth leak out over time, is that most people aren't paying attention. The leaker establishes great credibility in the "conspiracy nut" circles which are contained and don't spill over into the mainstream. Then when another job comes along, the leaker is prepositioned to be the ultimate source of truth. Good old Gnome Chomsky is considered to be God by a shitload of pretty well informed people. If he says there's nothing to 911, most of them turn away.

I think Chomsky dare not say 9/11 was a Zionist false flag operation because he would lose his position as 'legitimate' dissident. The Zionists need the appearance of criticism to give the impression that 'freedom of expression' exists and it helps keep the critique within over group preset parameters. Chomsky may be their man.

In addition to the above it may be a intellectual refusal to be tainted and smeared as a 'Conspiracy Theorist', Chomsky prides himself on having a intellectual analytical explanation of the 'elite interests' and their behavior. He would find it repelant to subscribe to 'Conspiracy Theorists'.

Chomsky has been critical of Zionists though (probably within preset parameters).

See examples: http://www.understandingpower.com/

see chapter 6

First time I heard it in a movie years ago, but I am not sure who the original author is: "Devil's greatest accomplishment is that he made people believe he does not exist." From John Stuart to Noam Chomsky, who ever is making people believe devil does not exist, is contributing to his accomplishment, knowingly or unknowingly. Daryl and Eric are not among them.

... I didn't get the irony in your post, and thought you were sarcastically attacking DBS while sharing info from him.

I have to say, even though sometimes I get annoyed at DBS's abrasiveness, and have some criticisms on the way he handles some things, I have never seen any evidence of him being a disinfo agent, or a provocateur. Masher1, it's no good saying you have evidence against DBS, then saying we have to see it for ourselves and not share it with us for us to scrutinize. With that logic, you might as well stop posting anything on this site, and just let us get on with seeing it all for ourselves.

Last year DBS called on listeners of his show to start myspace profiles to promote the info and files he put out. Masher, I remember you were among the early ones that posted a lot of messages on his profile comments board, and I don't remember the details, but you had a falling out with DBS over something. Wanna fill us in on the details (if I'm correct), and could this have anything to do with why you don't like DBS yet offer no evidence to show that he is disinfo?

Also, while Curt Maynard seems sincere in his convictions (I don't think Maynard is a sneaky disinfo guy), and puts out good anti-Zionist info, he does it from a racist/racialist perspective of the world. I agree with DBS in the point that this doesn't help anti-Zionism and only taints resistance to Zionism.

What's the point of fighting Jewish Supremacism using White Supremacism? They're both just as bad and ignorant. Maynard is always attacking blacks, hispanics, etc (as the 'dumb' criminals) and attacking Jews (as the 'smart' criminals) and makes whites as the victims. Horsemanure. There are only humans, and among them criminals. Let's not bring skin color or our mothers into this.

QUOTE:

"The Zionists are still largely unseen by the masses but their asses are starting to hang out and they are clearly panicking as the Paula Zahn anti-Bollyn/DBS show proves."

If I may offer some advice:
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(1) Zionists and their agents are found and discovered by their actions, AND

(2) Look to the 'ultimate effect' of said actions and words.
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The fact that Noam Chomsky "glosses" over the OBVIOUS Zionist/KhaZar involvement (actually more than 'mere involvement, but orchestration) and the fact that he's "jewish" (i.e. a higher 'tendency to be biased') ---- puts him in the "ZIONIST DIS-INFORMATION SQUAD".

Just like his Zionist friend Amy Goodman, whom we've exposed.

Anyone who "overlooks" 'Jewish' orchestration of USS Liberty, JFK assassination, Pinochet, Killing Fields of Cambodia, 9/11 ---- is OBVIOUS ONE OF THEM!

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These are WELL DOCUMENTED AND SUPPORT FACTS. A "truth seeker" can't just "overlook" these obvious facts.

That is a major point.

For that reason, Noam Chompsky, Amy Goodman, and (potentially) Alex Jones ---- are Zionists.

However, with Alex Jones, I have some reservations.

Here's my line of thought. I've only observed in 3 instances whereby he 'points the finger' at the Jews --- yet, the most obvious FACTS he TOTALLY IGNORES (i.e. talks A LOT ABOUT 9/11, but conveniently "censors" links to MOSSAD/Israeli/Jews).

However, I can see several reasons for him to do so.

1) Firstly, he's a HUGE media figure head, and any mention of "jews" will land him in "Anti-Semitic-land" (a mis-construed false term, as you know).

2) Secondly, he's providing some very useful information to a large percentage of US population. An example is the 'large public open prisons' that are being constructed by the US government, FOR the American mass population.

That alone is unique, since other than WRH, most Truth Movements have small audiences.

3) He does talk about (to some degree) the "Vehicles" of the Askenazi Khazarian MONEY CHANGERS (an old term referenced often in old literature and political discussions in old Europe, to refer to "jewish" bankers).

Examples include:
- 9/11
- controlled demo
- Illuminati
- Secret prisons
- History of Communism (i.e. also a Jewish movement, used to create a "crisis")
- etc

===> BUT THE FACT THAT HE "GLOSSES" over the ACTUAL PERPETRATORS almost every time, is highly suspicious.

For now, it's best to keep an eye on him and people like him.

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Chomsky et al

I think Chomsky dare not say 9/11 was a Zionist false flag operation because he would lose his position as 'legitimate' dissident. The Zionists need the appearance of criticism to give the impression that 'freedom of expression' exists and it helps keep the critique within over group preset parameters. Chomsky may be their man.

In addition to the above it may be a intellectual refusal to be tainted and smeared as a 'Conspiracy Theorist', Chomsky prides himself on having a intellectual analytical explanation of the 'elite interests' and their behavior. He would find it repelant to subscribe to 'Conspiracy Theorists'.

Chomsky has been critical of Zionists though (probably within preset parameters).

See examples: http://www.understandingpower.com/

see chapter 6
leftfield | Fri, 2007-04-06 21:14

Chumpski is Jewish, he's overrated, and he's full of shit.

If the really want you to eat an important shit sandwich, they will first serve you some of the nicest sandwiches they can make from easily recognized and loved ingredients. They will continue until the critical serving, then carefully, ever so carefully, having established your confidence, serve the stool well hidden in fluff and sauce.

The zionists play by controlling both sides of an dispute. That is getting tougher all the time, especially with the internet. Used to be that freedom of the press belonged exclusivly to the man with the press, but today we all have a world-wide press.

In order to play their dialectical tactic - the only one they know - they now require deep, well established plants that will betray the truth at the critical moment.

And thus it is.

I agree with whitewraithe.

I don't want to spend too much time on this subject as I consider it to be not terribly productive.

I just want to point out that this conversation and many others like it is proof-positive of how important TRUST is and, as such, how important it is that

(1) you tell the TRUTH always, and

(2) you don't disparage anyone's credibility unless you have concrete evidence that they're lying - not just mistaken.

we're all in this together.

that doesn't mean harmony at all costs.

But, it does mean that you should tread carefully, especially when it comes to discrediting others who are trying hard to spread what they believe, rightly or wrongly, to be the truth.

Non-truth is not always malicious.

It's sometimes based on ignorance or illogical reasoning.

In that case, the answer is not recrimination and isolation, but tolerance and guidance.

this applies to both sides of the fence.

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"Money" has no value - people do.

TRUST is NOT a commodity - because it CANNOT BE TRADED!

No one else can use it once you lose it!

HOLD ON TO IT FOR DEAR LIFE!

:)

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"Money" has no value - people do.

I was thinking about this today and my own process of 'wakening up' to Zionist Control.

At first I was quite skeptical and felt only insane people would think Jews/Zionists are behind events. Chomsky was useful because he provided documented evidence for the 'elite'.

However as it became obvious with the emergence of mainly Jewish Neo-Conservatives in the US, 9/11 and my discussions with other crypto Zionists and open Zionists on line, I started to 'wake up'. I realized that these people (the Zionists) are not 'interested in truth'. Their avoidence of rational discussions and ad hominiem attacks and smears started to 'expose' their 'hollow and empty' words. They were promoting obvious lies with nothing to back it up, and when questioned they had no rational defense of their views....so they attack the person, befog, distract, misinform etc.

Now I believe I have fully woken up and learning more and more everyday about them.

The Protocols of Elders of Zion and The International Jew by Henry Ford and many other books and documents are true and exposes them.

I believe they will fail and their crimes are destined to fail....we should prepare for the war and know exactly what they are doing so that we can know how to deal with them when the time comes.

We must prepare alternative currency..so that when they destroy the value of paper money we will be able to transcend their plan.

Q, I posted this "not very productive" line as I thought it was important for people to consider the "charges" which people smear Daryl Bradford Smith with. Our very own Masher seems to have made a career out of "exposing" Smith and I thought it was time for him to produce the goods for the group to evaluate. No surprise, he didn't.

Despite his flaws, Smith's show and interview files are an outstanding resource for waking people up to the truth of who is behind 9/11, the Federal Reserve, the War System, etc, etc. It is ridiculous that his audience remains as small as it is. His files at www.iamthewitness.com/ByPerson.html are one of the best ways for people to educate themselves and others about the history and nature of Zionism. The shows with Rafiq, Bollyn, Pidcock, Turner, Dickie, and Condit are essential.

Lots of well informed people still think Alex Jones, Mike Piper, and others are genuine. Smith raises important questions about them which people need to consider. The people who spend great energy attacking Smith are likewise suspect. Peace.

PS - In the following show Eustace Mullins discusses how John Kaminski sent people to rob and deceive him (also the farce of American Free Press)
www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmithInterviews_Mullins3.html

John Kaminski is a great writer against the NWO, though he's not aware of the Khazar connection.
Quasimodo - I found it. LSD was used by the Israelis to stun the egyptian forces to the ground during the 1967 6-day 'Blitzkrieg'. The info came to me in the form of a leaflet sent by CPA Book Publisher. It was in their book catalogue when they delivered one of the books I ordered from them. So, if this CPA (Christian Patriot Association) is a separate, independent source from yours, then we have a crosscheck and we can start taking this matter seriously. Yours was, as I recollect, the 'Memorandum to the President' by Issah Nakhleh, from the IHR. Can we safely assume the CPA Book Publisher did not have IHR or the 'Memorandum' as its source?
Next, a gem about Gog&Magog. I found an author from Armenia (South Caucasus ...) by the name GOGBERASHVILI, 'son' of Gogbera. 'Gog', like in your Gog&Magog, and 'Bera' like in Lavrenty Berya!

Cheers, h_w

I didn't mean your post -

Clearly, it's important - lots of people want to chime in, and since it IS an issue, airing the arguments is productive.

What I meant was - accusing people of lying without giving concrete proof of lies is not productive.

I recommend that people think carefully before they disparage someone's veracity - that applies to both those who criticize DBS and those who DBS criticizes.

I can't say why DBS doesn't have "a lot" of readers - but everything is relative.

It seems to me that he is pretty well known, and I am not surprised since he offers very valuable information at his site.

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"Money" has no value - people do.

" LSD was used by the Israelis to stun the egyptian forces to the ground during the 1967 6-day 'Blitzkrieg'. The info came to me in the form of a leaflet sent by CPA Book Publisher."

H_W, are you sure about this? Can you expand?

Is it actually possible for me to say that the israelis won the 67 6-day "war" against Egypt because of LSD?

This is the first time I've heard about this.

BTW H_W, I have mentioned Khazars to the israeli zionists-american zionists. One of two things always happen depending on the blogsite:

They ignore me
My posts get deleted

I'm sure I'm hitting a nerve, but I was actually expecting a "meatier" response.

I wonder how they will respond when I mention LSD....

But could you bring out more info on the subject?

Much appreciated.

I actually read the book by Michael Collins Piper, THE NEW JERUSALEM.

My uncle bought up several copies of this book and passed it around. I think I read it in the summer of 2004. I thought it was amazing. But I was still "asleep" back then. I believed what Piper was saying in the book, but it's message didn't quite knock me off my feet until I started looking into 9/11 conspiracies. I've read Henry Ford's INTERNATIONAL JEW, and that was a few years before reading Piper's book.

I am quite a "johnny come lately".

I have skimmed through many websites like, David Duke, National Vanguard, DBS, Save The Males, John Kaminski, Rense, Neturei Karta, Jews Against Zionism, Lawrence of Cyberia and so much more....

I've reached only one conclusion: I go with my gut instinct. No site can be perfect and hit every bulls eye, but I've learned a little from each. I just wish I had the time to read these sites and others more intensely. Sure some of them go over the top. Some articles are a bit too much. But I wouldn't condemn any of them because there really is a wealth of info worth keeping in your files that you will miss if you don't give the site a chance.

I'm aware that some people don't like the Neturei Karta. In my opinion, I think we need every bit of arsenal we can get to keep keenly aware and greatly informed of our zionist predators.

Besides, I think the Neturei Karta and others like them could be making a bigger difference against zionism that we might not realize.

I certainly don't want to burn any bridges unless I absolutely have to.

You might think I would have better things to do - very early on Easter Morning, like hiding Easter eggs, or pretending to be the Easter Bunny.

But heavy snow is actually falling outside and looks
a lot more like Christmas Eve than Easter Morning...

I still believe a hungry mind must be fed, no matter what odd season or holiday is upon us. So before I get back to History Worm on this subject, I'm sending you a rather exhaustive compendium of references to it, belonging to a thread started by qrswave, which has now so far picked up over 6,000 hits.

If you don't find plenty to chew on there, I'll be quite surprised, as it contains what is probably the most comprehensive discussion of this arcane subject of the "LSD War" that is available online, along with its' connection to the current
israeli / Egyptian flap over a recent television documentary.

I recommend that you review the whole thread, if possible.
You are certainly welcome to refer to it in any dispute which may arise with any or all of your nasty Zionist "predators".

So here's a little gift from the "Easter Bunny"...

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/814#comment-3835
Historical Review for History Worm

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/898#comment-4232
The 1967-60-Minute LSD WAR

Entire thread, with video, here:
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/898
Video: 1967 mass murder of unarmed Egyptians by israelis

This I gotta see......hehhehe.

Well I wish I could see!

Anyway, thanks for that great info. Actually, I should be working on a project that I hardly care about nor have the energy for and I will turn it in half-assed. Give me a bunny suit and eggs to hide anytime!

I'm glad for the snow. I hate hot humid summers.

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Well I will be ready on the cliff...waiting to pounce on the next idiot who brings up the '67 war.......

The response I get should be interesting.

Again...thanks.

The Easter Bunny forgot to leave you a very important
Easter Egg, which you will always be able to use for
ammo - to blow away anybody that tries to tell you
that it was the Arabs who started the '67 War...

This is a magical egg of wisdom which will always help you separate "myth" from "fact", as easy as you would separate an egg white from an egg yolk. And it's right out of a Zionists' own big mouth, so how can you ever go wrong, right ?
http://www.pmwatch.org/pmw/snakebite/Wars.html#_Toc521738399

("There goes Peter Cottontail -
Hoppin' down the Bunny Trail-
Hippity, Hoppity, Easter's on his way ...)

I have read this site many times before, due to it linking from other sites, but finally decided to make an acount and go from there. I have listened to Daryl and Michael Piper for over year now. I enjoy both of them although I feel i just hear complaining and whining from Daryl as of late and no decent guests on because he alienated them. Do not believe that ask Rev Ted Pike who Daryl tried to get to go after American Free Press, Eustace Mullins as well. Most of this started when Christopher Bollyn got hurt. Dary's brother is regular caller to RBN and Daryl himself used to call Piper's show. I think there are questions that arouse with all parties involved. Here they are.
For Daryl, why did you say on your last broadcast that you were in France because your wife had family when for well over a year you have said it is cause you do not want to be in the US cause of the danger it has. Why do you say one of the reasons David Duke is azionist is that he links to the site National Vangard, but yet you are heavily promoted on judicialinc which also links to them. Why do you say anyone who gets promoted on the news media is a zionist tool? But yet Christopher Bollyn appeared on there and you never mentioned him being an agent. You want us to go to the police and pass them 9/11 videos so we can be stalked by the police and followed by them, I mean honestly police are bad enough without them getting more reasons to follow you. Why do you suggest that paying taxes is a bad idea in Aaron Russo's movie, when you stop feeding the beast and they will not have money to do wars.
For Christopher Bollyn, who I met in Chicago and I believe is sincere, Why do you consistantly attack MCP when he wanted you too host his show? How come you never mention on air that you lived in Israel for sometime? How do you live in fancy area with very limited income?
For Michael Collins Piper, why do you side with Lisa and Victor Thorn when they clearly had motives to break people up and cause trouble. (I remember going to there site and seeing pycho sex Jack Blood headlines on it for several weeks, like that is going to get us traction) I believe Michael Collins Piper is a homosexual but what bearing does that have on us? I alos believe American Free Press is holding info back and hardly presents Israels involvement of 9/11. But I feel they may of been threatened when the spotlight went down. For all we know all three of these characters are working together. Or that Bollyn was threatened when he got beatup to take Piper and AFP down, Daryl may be filled with paranoi as his brother says he and he puts too much of his heart in it. Eric is the most suspicious of them all due to the fact we know nothing about the man, other than he was a computer programmer. I also feel Daryl is right on Alex Jones and many others but does it really take brains to figure out Jones is a fraud? I mean he makes how much per year and is on how many mainstream stations and everyone knows who he is. RBN is not perfect, but was recently taken down by GCN, because I believe RBN was getting to big and GCN could not have that. If you notice who left RBN, It was most of the zionist/ jewish deniers. Why dont we go with our gut and use our brains and trust no one until they give us outlining proof that we should trust them.

GREAT rant from Daryl Smith today
www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_8Apr2007.html!

Uncle Fester is now an internationally recognize force! More importantly is the info that DBS put out on Piper, Jones, and MASHER!

Take our world back is not Masher's site, but Poseidon's and Poseidon has never given me any reason to suspect that he's a "Crypto-Zionist."

In fact, Poseidon is one of the movement's most valuable members. His comments are always insightful and informative and THOROUGHLY supported by links and references to his sources.

I remain convinced that disparaging people who are working hard to increase awareness is not a good way to go about spreading the truth about zionism or any other diabolical conspiracy.

I agree that we should "Investigate everybody. No blind obedience. No exceptions."

But, accusations must not be thrown around without concrete evidence. Mere suspicion is not enough.

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"Money" has no value - people do.

Q, I concur with your opinion of Poseidon's work as far as it relates to 9/11 and the WTC takedown. I've not seen better. However, his charges against Smith, Bollyn and Hufschmidt at www.takeourworldback.com/short/hufschmid.htm are highly suspect.

He, like Maynard, seems to think that the "he said-she said" level questions about censorship at AFP are the issue that we should base our perceptions of people on. In my mind, it AIN'T a material LIE, but does smell of a pretty baseless campaign to discredit.

Poseidon says, "It turned out that none of Bollyn's work had been censored; only one article had failed to appear and that was because it missed a deadline." For the sake of argument, let's assume for a moment that this account is factual. Does Bollyn's claim that he was censored advance the Zionist agenda? Is that really the focus and sum total of Bollyn's work: AFP sucks? Is it not much more plausible that discrediting Bollyn will aid the Zionist criminals? Posiedon, also slams Hufschmidt for failing to admit that Bollyn is lying about this picayune point. Bollyn continues to assert that Piper is lying and that he was censored. I gotta ask WTF?

Poseidon runs out the "damning" fact that Daryl Smith is "hiding" his "real" name. Posiedon lays the stepdad's name side by side with his "fake name" (birthname - the one he now uses)? My old man reverted to his birth name and dropped Grannie's second husband's name. I rake him over the coals come the holidays. Again, WTF?

Similarly, and as pointed out by Smith, Po says, "It is always possible that Eric Hufschmid is correct and he is one of the few honest Zionist exposers, but his theory implies that the Zionists' criminal network includes so many people such as Germar Rudolf, Ernst Zundel, David Irving, David Duke, Michael Collins Piper, Victor Thorn, Lisa Guliani, James Fetzer, Mike Berger, Jim Hoffman, Gerard Holmgren, Wayne Madsen, Kurt Nimmo, Webster Tarpley, Frank Whalen, Willis Carto, Christopher Petherick, John Stadtmiller, Dylan Avery, Mike Rivero, Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, etc. On grounds of economy, it would seem more logical that most of these people are genuine." Does that last sentence ring true?

Po is an exhaustively detailed writer on the WTC, and yet says "Aw, shucks, they're probably all ok." Everything we know about the Zionist criminals says that they use DECEPTION, have plenty of money, MONOPOLIZE ALL MEDIA, HAVE PEOPLE AT GATEKEEPING POSITIONS, and plan LONG RANGE. Po, that's a real WTF number.

Why does' Posiedon pour forth such a sea of dubious accusations? It seems beneath him. This hit piece is in SUCH STARK CONTRAST to his other work that it leaves me quite unsettled. Maybe my bullshit detector is broken; maybe it ain't.

At his site DBS wonders if I, Fester, am genuine. I laughed out loud, but am honored. He can call me an asshole 7 days a week if he feels like. I won't let the petty bullshit sidetrack me.

I hope that that's the basis of Posieden's odd screed, but, again, his other work is so good, THE CONTRAST makes me stop.

MASHER poses good questions on the "what was burning for weeks' question, but is clearly a crap-flinging monkey as Smith suggests (Last time MASH, if you got FACTS lay em on the table and I WILL HUMBLY APOLOGIZE - although you are a schmuck for gumming up the investigation with your hard-to-get routine.)

Q, in closing, I COMPLETELY CONCUR with your opinion about Po's contributions to the site. Repeat, I concur 100%. But this other stuff has a very hollow ring, and do wonder. Peace. Fester

www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_8Apr2007.html

Surprise, Surprise, & Happy Easter Bunnie, Uncle Fester !
Small Woild, Ain't It ? And everbody always loves a good bedtime bunny story, especially on Easter, right ?

-Looks like you left a telltail trail of little brown jelly beanies
all around the bunnie yard of that rustic little farmhouse in France. Congratulations on your penetration of the goy pen.

You are now traveling in the fast company of three of the
most trustworthy and universally distrusted instigators of the dubious and indubitable "Troof" Movement. As a matter of FACT, I just had my daily Troof Movement an hour ago, so you'll know at least that I'm not completely fully of it.

You are, I take it, somewhat familiar with my aptitude for ferreting out da "Troof", so I thought you might appreciate
my latest "funky find".... ( talk about a ricochet effect )....
Who, in your edumacated opinion, do you think might conceivably be the illustrious progenitor of this following
kernel of "Troof" ?( cited on Smith's Page, of all places ?):
http://www.takeourworldback.com/short/hufschmid.htm

Maybe you ain't been around the stump quite as many times over here as I have, Uncle Fess, or you would've stepped on
a lot more little brown bunnie beanies, and you would know
just why I've chosen not to trample on any more of late:
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/586#comment-2854
( Gatekeepers and Judas Goats )
You will no doubt notice this next link posted in that particular dispatch, which more or less reveals our culprit:
http://www.takeourworldback.com/short/hufschmid.htm
Same as above, no ?

Here's some more, help yourself to the whole mess:
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/36
( 9/11 whitewash - a contest of wills )
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/586
A 9/11 Gov’t Conspiracy? ‘I Wouldn’t Be Surprised,’

Here's an old thread like the one you just landed on,
linked to by our surreptitious "suspect" on previous threads:
http://www.erichufschmid.net/InvestigateTheTruthSeekers.htm
("worthless" and "connected to the criminal network" )

If you, or Daryl Smith, or Eric Hufschmid, or Bollyn, or even the perpetrator here in question, for that matter, can weed your way through this mountain of bunnie beans,
MORE POWER TO YA, UNCLE FESTER !

BTW, Figure out who it is yet ?

Been There, Done Dat !......
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/586#comment-2918
Scapegoats or Judas Goats?
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/36#comment-210
OK, You, Wit da Trident, Already

WOULD I LIE TO YA BABY,
WOULD I LIE TO YA BABY ?

Quas, I confess to being a tad overwhemmed. I thought it was the Dago Red but I may have been eating too many of these bunny beans of which you speak. Either case, I found it hard to clearly follow and you waxed a little coy for your bald headed friend.

After I posted, I was aksing myself. If the criminals, and these evil roaches definitely plan their disinfo/stifle-ing campaigns in advance and with great thoroughness, wanted to control as site such as this, wouldn't they send it someone who is able to establish themselves as an "unimpeachable" source? I'm not there yet, but will chew that cud for a while. A MASHER-style poo-flinger wouldn't be able to do a big job if required, but beard, trident, and nymphs might command.

Help me if I've lost the thread. The red was a little raw and I had no help. Bastard!

Sorry Unk, I didn't know you and Q already dug up all that dirt - right before I dropped all my little bunnie beanies.

You pose some intriguing theories...My advice:
ease up a little on that Dago Red - and watch out
for that ponerologic Jadczyk reticulus -
http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/
Signs of the Times - Alternative news for Sun, 08 Apr 2007

-and keep an eye peeled for those -
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/36#comment-190
-Zionist agents !

excerpt from above -
[ A good thread with in-depth analysis of the Christopher Bollyn case can be found at the Signs of The Times forum:
http://signs-of-the-times.org/signs/forum/viewtopic.php?id=2887&p=1
This is quite essential reading for those trying to understand what has been happening with Bollyn.
For more background from another perspective, it is worth downloading some of Piper's shows here...]- end of excerpt

Troofully,
from Da 'Bunnie Man'

Quas, I'm reworking the Red recipe. It'll be a Dayglo Red from here out. A 50-50 antifreeze berry blend AFTER masceration.

That other jug has left me tottering and bedazzled. I got visions of the Masher shapeshifting, Poseidon booming and demons of the deep rising to consume me. If I lay into the Dayglo HARD, they may bite but spit me out. Shouldn'ta partied the liver away so young. Didn't know I was gonna need for battle.

Good stuff from Sign O' Der Times. Not a bad case for questioning Bollyn's legitermancy. I'd like to think I'd still be venomous enough to throw some verbal shit at the HSA occifers post-tasering. People said they thought that was suspect, but, Poseidon's beard, if they've already jumped on yer head and lit ya up wid der taser for fuck all, why not blaze away? I don't think calling the local cops was a mistake and like what Smith & Huffer say about trying to educate the cops. Firemen too.

Biking around Europe...? Kibbutz time...? Dishy wife #2...? My only reservation has always been how he gets such good stuff. A real question, but I still think the "charges" against Smith, Bollyn, and Huffer have a real slapped up feel. Plus ya good MASHER hooting from the cheap seats: not very convincing.

What nymph's spell old Po's under, I do not know. Too goddamn much beans, flatus, and gut work!

Poor Festerin' Fester - I hope you didn't miss my major pone ( as in corn- ) of contention, that the entity in question must indeed be "under the spell" of a certain ponerologic Jadczyk reticulus. Where did you ever think this Political Ponerology crawled out from to begin with ? thus, we have ---"Ponerosity"
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/1021#comment-4545

-and with that deeply disturbing thought in mind, it's time for a Day-glo nightcap. I would like to share with you a sea -going oracle of sorts, from an old 'Salty Dog', an infamous lost 3rd verse from the one about the "16 Vestal Virgins", remember ?

-I said "I'm home on shore leave"...
But in truth, we were both at sea...
So I took her by the looking glass,
And I forced her to agree... I said -
"Now you must be that mermaid,
Who took Old Neptune for a ride !"
But she smiled at me so sweetly, ( sweetly )...
You know my anger straightway died !

And so it was, that later...and later...
As the miller told his tale...
That her face, at first, just ghostly,
Turned a Whiter -Shade of Pale.

Evidently the lyrics are:

"But she smiled at me so sadly"

http://www.procolharum.com/w/w9901.htm

But sadly only played in concert or on a live DVD. I only have the studio version.

DBS / EH have dubbed me as a "Crypto-Zionist" who engages in "deception".

http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_8Apr2007.html

They are also suspicious of Fester for making a tongue-in-cheek comment. (DBS sometimes refers to James Fetzer as "Uncle Fester".)

Another poster concluded that I am one of Laura K.J.'s "inner circle" because I used the term "ponerology".

http://www.nolajbs.net/forum/index.php?topic=7946.0

(Apparently it is necessary to register to view that post.) I'm not part of anyone's circle; I just think there is some sense in the theory of a pathocracy in which psychopaths rise to positions of power. Note how DBS promotes the alternative view that Bush is an idiot.

According to a poster here

http://groups.google.com/group/swnet.politik/browse_thread/thread/abeda4fd38f78b36/4e25e5ef01a55685

... my site - and two others shown on CNN's Paula Zahn Now: Iamthewitness and JewsDidWTC - are all "run by Jews".

This youtube is a must see! It includes audio of Piper's recent accusations against Bollyn.

http://youtube.com/?v=8XImPMZ_KLc

Although Trond Halvorsen is mistaken on some points - he thinks my TOWB site is "run by Jews" and that Mike Piper is Jewish - a lot of his conclusions are correct. But he would be better off talking about "Zionists" or "Jewish extremists". The 3 URLs are shown at about 1:10 into the video. As for capitalising the leading letter in each word, that was a CNN / Time Warner creation.

I hadn't listened to Piper's show for some time, and was nearly ready to give Bollyn & Hufschmid the benefit of the doubt. But Piper's latest explosive charges against Bollyn opens up a whole new can of worms. Go to the above youtube URL, click on "more" to view trondh's description, and click on the link PlanetQuo Radio Interviews Piper Hit Piece on Bollyn to hear a longer version of Piper's charges against Bollyn, which he describes as "very disturbing" and "frightening" information. Or find it at the above Google groups link.

Piper says American Free Press had suspected Bollyn for a long time, and in fact MCP himself suspected Bollyn to be an intelligence operative soon after they met. In Piper's The Judas Goats (Chapter 10), he recounts how he correctly identified Roy Bullock as an ADL operative. It turned out that Willis Carto had already been independently informed, by Dr Edward R Fields of The Thunderbolt newspaper.

American Free Press hired a top private investigator, who was dispatched to investigate Christopher Bollyn. In the preliminary investigation they found that Bollyn was receiving money from overseas, and that he was being visited regularly by an individual or individuals bearing license plates that cannot be traced.

The PI went on to report, "This case contains many unanswered questions. ... As your investigator, I do not recommend you proceed further. I have discovered the distinct possibility of involvement by intelligence people of a higher order. Briefly stated, there are certain risks to be considered before proceeding. The target (Bollyn) is spending more money than he is capable of earning." Piper says that Bollyn is "being protected at the highest level."

Piper makes the point that Bollyn's second wife Helje Kaskel is apparently of Jewish origin; "Kaskel" is a Jewish name. His first wife was Israeli, and apparently Israeli intelligence to boot. Piper also claims to have information, from a "reliable source", that CB dosn't pay tax.

I was coming round to the view that the Piper / Bollyn split was due to something more trivial like personality differences, but there seems to be much more to it than that. It is possible that Piper, all the rest at AFP, David Duke, Germar Rudolf, Ernst Zundel, Mike Rivero, etc are all plants, and have somehow managed to do an excellent job posing as "anti-Zionists". And they were either ADL moles or CIA operatives long before 9/11, or the criminals somehow got to them and managed to recruit them all after they had been genuine truth-seekers and justice-seekers for years, without any of them falling out with Zionism and talking.

And if EH/CB/DBS are telling the truth, then Piper must have made up the story about the private investigator, Bollyn receiving money from overseas, the untraceable license plates, the material he writes in his books, etc. That still leaves all the many irregularities and anomalies concerning Bollyn and Hufschmid, their connections to Israel and Zionists, and history of deception, such as lies about "heavily-armed agents" wearing "body armor" who turned out to be regular traffic cops whose day-to-day activities generally consisted of nothing more than booking drunk drivers.

If Piper and Makufka are telling the truth, then Bollyn made up the story about Piper having a gay lover who is his ADL handler, and mixed good and bad information when he (or whoever it was) wrote his articles.

I think the simplest theory is the best. I am now more convinced than ever that Bollyn, Hufschmid and Smith are intelligence operatives. They've shot their bolt.

So Po, would you cast Eustace Mullins in the disinfo bin? He thinks AFP is a rats' nest?

I tend to think that the Zionist M.O. is to have lots of people in place to do their work (see US government). By having lots of shills in place early, they create the sense that they have numbers.

Thanks for the links. I'll run em down.

I don't know about Eustace. But I know when he was interviewed by DBS, people were accusing DBS of putting words in his mouth.

Po, I don't think any reasonable person could listen to the DBS-Eustace Mullin interviews and truthfully say that "Smith is putting words in Mullin's mouth." That doesn't happen and Mullins would stand for it or show up to do a total of SIX shows with Daryl. If it weren't for the specificity of the charge, it would be worthy of our valiant MASHER. I think this is the link to the show in question www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmithInterviews_Mullins16Dec2006.html. Po, people here respect your work, do you really stand by that claim?

I did the links you offered and the Piper report on Bollyn doesn't get me hot. Unnameable source says Bollyn's spending beyond his means...wife's name is a combo of Jewish parts...and other little splinters.

Can you or these people document a material lie (I say that thinking it somehow sounds like the proper legalese)?

Did Bollyn, Smith, or Hufschmid say X paid Y to do Z? Or did they say X was the cause of building falling down when you've got evidence that it is a knowing deception?

This other stuff is really just CAT PISS and, as I said to Q, is such a qualitative drop below your other work that it arouses curiosity.

My broken record still says that Smith, Bollyn, & Huf maintain a sharp and unwaverfing focus on the bad guys.

If previously dauntless foes of Zionism such as Piper are investing lots of time and energy trying to tear them down, then they are almost certainly bad guys. Mullins concurs with Smith. People should listen to what he says (AND how he says it) for themselves.

Pan, I share your feeling but not all your positions or your conclusion.

We can go back to 1913 and the Federal Reserve Act and figure out who the bad guys are. Watch The Money Masters. We got Honest Abe, TJ, and several other Dead Presidents in our corner. FOLLOW THE MONEY, ya?

Henry Ford knew big bidness and big money and he, like the aforementioned Dead Presidents, tried to shake awake the dozing peeps. You got the Bankers dead nuts on the CREATION of the Commie Rev/Cold War. Hell, go read Smedley Butler. Time to kick them the hell out like Abe and the good guys tried.

Anyways, the warm fuzzy, lets love all of the troofers is the kind of open, trusting, suicidally uncritical approach that is guaranteed to keep us over the barrel and howling.

In January 2006, Eric Hufschmid said that "99% of truth seekers are somehow connected to the criminal network", and "are worthless".

http://www.erichufschmid.net/InvestigateTheTruthSeekers.htm

Within months of this, he was observed to have various lists of people who were allegedly part of the "criminal network" or were "Crypto-Zionists", including, but not necessarily limited to the following:

Germar Rudolf, Ernst Zundel, David Irving, David Duke, Michael Collins Piper, Victor Thorn, Lisa Guliani, James Fetzer, Mike Berger, Jim Hoffman, Gerard Holmgren, Wayne Madsen, Kurt Nimmo, Webster Tarpley, Frank Whalen, Willis Carto, Christopher Petherick, John Stadtmiller, Dylan Avery, Mike Rivero, Alex Jones, Jeff Rense.

In 2007, Hufschmid has a theory that anyone who questions the veracity of Bollyn, Smith or Hufschmid must be a "Crypto-Zionist". However, Hufschmid himself has already questioned the veracity of all the individuals listed above and 99% of truth seekers. He either has to make Bollyn, Smith and Hufschmid a special case, or, by his own logic, that would make him a Super-Crypto-Zionist!

In the summer of 2006, Eric Hufschmid and Christopher Bollyn were supposedly suckered by Sam Danner, a fantasist who wanted his bit of glory. Danner claimed to have seen an object resembling a Global Hawk hit the Pentagon. It seems that Danner was merely telling Hufschmid what Hufschmid wanted to hear. Long after most people - e.g. Russell Pickering, Mike Piper - had seen through the hoax, Hufschmid and Bollyn were trying to keep the story alive by concocting more evidence-free claims about Sam being intimidated by sunglass-wearing Feds in a large black government SUV who rammed Sam's car. Sam's son Matthew had the sad duty of setting the record straight by releasing voicemail audio that proved Sam was lying.

In August 2006, just as the Danner hoax was in its death throes, Bollyn came up with a new stunt to promote himself as a "hard-working, genuine anti-Zionist feared by the criminals". He would call the police out to his home under some pretext about a "suspicious car", and provoke them into arresting him. As evidence of this, his daughter warned that the police were going to arrest him.

He started out by claiming he was Tasered before being handcuffed; in later versions his story changed to "Tasered whilst restrained in 'cuffs". It's hardly the sort of detail one would forget.

Bollyn was caught in another lie: He claimed the three police officers who arrested him were "heavily-armed agents" from an "undercover tactical unit", "wearing body armor" ... a "covert gang-suppression unit". In fact, all three of them were regular traffic cops. Officer Tim Stoy had been given a DUI enforcement award for making 25 arrests, Officers Michael Barber and Darin Felgenhauer had received "Honorable Mention" awards relating to DUI, and Michael Barber had a Police Dept. Meritorious Police Duty Award relating to Hurricane Katrina. The Bollyn story takes a battering when he claims to have been put in an unmarked car by the 3 cops who arrested him, and then he suddenly ends up in a squad car. In subsequent revisions, Bollyn has a mysterious Jewish cop lurking unseen in the background. He says his brother bailed him out, but made him walk home. Somehow, Bollyn knows that the police are "ADL-trained".

These self-promotion stunts related to problems Bollyn was having with his credibility at American Free Press. The trouble was that he would mix some lies in with truthful information.

In Bollyn's article about the molten steel, he lied about "seismic spikes", and about Peter Tully or Mark Loizeaux saying where the molten steel was found. The Palisades seismographs have one version with a compressed x-axis and expanded y-axis version, and Bollyn tried to pretend the 50-second period of relatively low amplitude disturbances following the collapses was the 10-second collapse time, and the 10-second period of waves twenty times the amplitude was a sinister 2-second spike at the start of the collapse. The purpose of this was to discredit himself and cast doubt upon reports of molten steel.

Hufschmid was caught lying about AFP "censoring" Bollyn's articles. When confronted by Piper, Hufschmid admitted that he'd let his AFP subscription lapse. So how was he getting his information - from Bollyn? It looks like the "censor" claim was a stunt devised by the two of them.

The problem AFP had with Bollyn was that it would not be economical for someone to have to verify all of his claims. Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus. So he was sacked.

After falling out with Piper, Bollyn reported that Piper had a gay lover who was his ADL handler. Has he evidence for that, and can anything Bollyn says ever be taken seriously?

Daryl Smith slams John Kaminski for being a "racist" who is too obssessed with "Jews" and Talmudic supremacism. But Smith has been observed calling for Israel to be carpet-bombed until there is a crater so deep it would take an explorer team weeks to get to the bottom. Not just "wiped off the map", but wiped out!

Apart from their actions, there is all the circumstantial evidence: connections to Israel, top Zionist media moguls, and alphabet soup intel agencies. Individually, a snippet of information such as Bollyn appearing to be spending more than he could earn isn't very incriminating. Collectively, the data confirms the suspicions arising from their behavior. The Smith / Hufschmid / Bollyn setup is a modern-day Deguello operation, partly designed to discredit reports of incriminating evidence, and partly as a means of manipulating and dividing the truth movement, and obtaining information on individuals such as e-mail addresses.

If the only evidence the defense counsel can muster is a supposed statement made by a guest on Smith's show, I don't believe this can make a material difference to the outcome. The surprising thing is that some truthers seem to have the same sort of blind spot over the evidence against HufSmithBollyn Judas Goats, Inc, that Israel's supporters do over its crimes.

People, apologies for not having the technical formatting skills to make a proper response. This thing of Posiedon's is a real eye opener for me.

If you read Po's post, you should be able to see where I break it.

His first point is one of his standard mischaracterizations. These occur when he discusses Smith, Bollyn, and Hufschmid. Otherwise he's fine. He says that "Hufschmid has a theory that anyone who questions the veracity of Bollyn, Smith or Hufschmid must be a "Crypto-Zionist." What DBS et al do is criticize (harshly) those who ignore the Zionist element in 911. They also criticize those who promote nonsensical ideas. They do not claim to have the whole truth and admit to making mistakes. Po, you ought to capable of seeing this point and not making so much noise getting it wrong.

Regarding the Sam Danner story, I need to look into that. Does believing that something other than a 757 hit the Pentagon make me a Zionist tool too? You say Bollyn was desperate for a "new stunt to promote himself as a 'hard-working, genuine anti-Zionist feared by the criminals.'" What other 911 stories of Bollyn's have you exposed as fraudulent? The crowd here at WUFYS would be all over it if Bollyn's stories were falling apart. Please share. I love stunts.

Your third point is that Bollyn is lying about his arrest. You claim he's changed his story. I'll go back and listen for this sometime. I ask the audience: does referring to the car as a "squad car" and later calling it an "unmarked car" reveal him as an agent? Are the officers' "honorable mentions" and "DUI enforecment awards" supposed to sway opinion? Bollyn sounded shaken up when he spoke about the event and I encourage people to listen to him. Maybe he's not legit, he wouldn't be the first, yet you are famous for wanting to give everyone the benefit of the doubt.

Regarding the molten steel and seismic spikes, you say he "lied" and the purpose was "to discredit himself and cast doubt upon reports of molten steel."
I would not be shocked to learn that he’s made mistakes in details regarding the WTC collapse, but you say “the purpose of this was to discredit himself and cast doubt upon reports of molten steel.” That's the single most idiotic statement I have encountered in the last 5 years. Do you really expect readers to believe that the effect of Bollyn's work and his appearances on www.iamthewitness.com radio show is do DISCREDIT the molten metal evidence?Who’s turned away from the 9/11 story because of Bollyn’s work? You're losing me here Fishman.

Next point is that "AFP censorship lie" tarbaby you can't shake. Hufscmid was NOT caught lying. You ASSERT that it was a lie. What he did was rely on Bollyn's version of events and then ADMIT that he had relied on Bollyn. But you get real fabulous and detect “a stunt devised by the two of them.” You seem to fixate on a whole lot of chickenshit and just keep chucking it hoping it'll stick or wear people out. The FACTS are that Bollyn hasn’t changed his story and he’s backed up by Eustace Mullins. Why don’t you come out and tell us that Eustace Mullins is full of shit. Then you can do Ezra Pound and Henry Ford.

I'm reluctant to continue because I think the you need to answer that last question for the WUFYS record. To go on and respond to your nonsense about Piper's gonadaltropism, the Kaminski thing, and your remarkably Zio-pundit-esque summation for the pleebs would, I now believe, only muddy things which is what I believe secretly desire.

Maybe I've had a long day and am off target bearded fishmonger. It's quite possible.

But, don't do the MASH on me: expose Eustace Mullins as a "zionist agent" for me and I'll buy your otherwise limp and sweaty assertions about Bollyn, DBS, and Hufschmid. You tried once before saying that DBS had "put words in Mullin's mouth." That one was HORSESHIT as will be confirmed by an indpendent listen to the file. I linked it earlier.

Tired. I really need to take a shower.

PS - DBS has an interview with the makers of The Money Masters at www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Money-Masters-10-Apr2007.html

Here is a quick but FACTUALLY CORRECT transcription of an interview with Eustace Mullins on DBS' 9/10/06 show (www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmithInterviews_Mullins3.html).

This begins at about the 10:20 mark:

DBS: What we’ve discovered, Eustace, is that many of the people supposedly exposing the truth are actually wolves in sheeps’ clothing.

Mullins: Absolutely. I learned that fifty years ago…

DBS: This recent thing with Mr. Piper. It looks like they’re setting him up to be in a leadership position.

Mullins: That’s what it looks like. They’re promoting him. He’s turning out about a book a year now.

DBS: A lot of it seems to be a rehash of your work.

Listen for a few minutes. See if Mullins is being used as Poseidon asserts. See how he agrees with Smith's claims about AFP, Piper, Kaminski et al.
The other interviews are at www.iamthewitness.com/ByPerson.html

PS - For the record, here's what I left off from the previous post. The "evidence" with a few quick comments:

Poseidon: The problem AFP had with Bollyn was that it would not be economical for someone to have to verify all of his claims. Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus. So he was sacked.

Fester: That’s the Piper/AFP version of this not very essential point. Mullins says AFP and Piper stink. So does Bollyn. What you got to show Mullins is no good. If it is nothing, then why such a fever to push this tiny ball of dung.

Poseidon: After falling out with Piper, Bollyn reported that Piper had a gay lover who was his ADL handler. Has he evidence for that, and can anything Bollyn says ever be taken seriously?

Fester: If you listen to the link you sent (http://youtube.com/?v=8XImPMZ_KLc) which you label “a MUST SEE,” people will hear Piper respond to that accusation by joking that it would be news to the guy he supposedly is in a relationship with. Piper’s response clearly suggests that he IS gay although he doesn’t admit to the relationship in question. Why would you tack on another “can we really take Bollyn’s word for anything” dig when the info you refer people to doesn’t make your case. You’re clever fellow Po and I guess you think the rest of us ain’t gonna bother to check it out. WTF?

Posiedon: Daryl Smith slams John Kaminski for being a "racist" who is too obssessed with "Jews" and Talmudic supremacism. But Smith has been observed calling for Israel to be carpet-bombed until there is a crater so deep it would take an explorer team weeks to get to the bottom. Not just "wiped off the map", but wiped out!

Fester: Wrong again. DBS slammed Kaminski because he thought he was trying to get him in trouble with the Hollercuss laws in France. He does the same thing in the Mullins interview. A legitimate fear. You entirely misrepresented this concern of Daryl’s in an earlier post. The youtube video you called "must see," is the Paula Zahn-shits-her-knickers-over-911 show. Piper's comments are tacked on at the end. The clip is titled “Jew Job!” which is the kind of rash, racist, inaccurate work that DBS, Bollyn, and Hufschmid consistently take pains to avoid AND condemn. WTF Posiedon? You aren’t making much sense for a guy who knows his shit. Why are you busting ass to present the “evidence” when a quick, impartial look at your sources undoes you. You tink veer all leedle sheep ofer eer in dis goypen?

Poseidon: Apart from their actions, there is all the circumstantial evidence: connections to Israel, top Zionist media moguls, and alphabet soup intel agencies. Individually, a snippet of information such as Bollyn appearing to be spending more than he could earn isn't very incriminating. Collectively, the data confirms the suspicions arising from their behavior. The Smith / Hufschmid / Bollyn setup is a modern-day Deguello operation, partly designed to discredit reports of incriminating evidence, and partly as a means of manipulating and dividing the truth movement, and obtaining information on individuals such as e-mail addresses.

Fester: “Collectively” my and your sorry ass! Piper saying the not-to-be-named private dick said, "risky" three, no wait FOUR, no, Oh my God, Five times doesn't mean a goddamn thing. Your “data” doesn’t prove jack shit and I no longer feel compelled to address you as a legitimate truthseeker.

Posiedon: If the only evidence the defense counsel can muster is a supposed statement made by a guest on Smith's show, I don't believe this can make a material difference to the outcome. The surprising thing is that some truthers seem to have the same sort of blind spot over the evidence against HufSmithBollyn Judas Goats, Inc, that Israel's supporters do over its crimes.

Fester: Po, what one “supposed statement” are you referring to? You’re counting on people who trust you to trust you when you go after Smith. Whence that fetid fecal fragrance of Ziopunditry as he sums up and ladles for the helpless goyim?

Great One, don't trouble yourself with this load of crap. Focus on Mullins. Expose him. Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus. Help us out here, duuuuuuuuuude!

I cannot seem to figure just why you don't seem to see the ors rowing Mr Smiths boat. Now Fester you seem to have a fairly good familiarity with the Mp3's of Mr Smith do you not? Well then how about telling us some of the odd aspects of his show. Forget the content and focus on the Engineering behind the show is there anything missing? Is there any not right things about the way the show is produced?? Have a look or a listen to a few see if you can guess what is NOT present and should be. Sorry on this cryptic path but this is one complicated lier we are talking about. So for now just try to figure out the missing element to Mr Smith's little podcast thing.

I See a man doing whatever he and his buddies can to discredit the 9/11 movement with whatever means they can afford. I cannot trust someone that is not man enough to stand up and be counted. If Daryl Smith ever hopes to do anything to help he is going to have to unmask. Now will Daryl ever do a video statement to at least confirm that he is not a spook? No probably not. Now i don't care if he can quote the whole Ziopedia and knows the whole story. If you cannot have the respect for your listeners to be up front about your identity then just WHO would be RETARDED enough to follow a ghost (and a confirmed lier if you care to look) into the worst mess of liers and cheats ever to be on this planet. Well as of March of 06' i am not even interested in stuff even REMOTELY connected to either DBS or Eric. Bollyn is after my time but he is just as connected to DBS and Eric.

Why folks continue to go to his URL after consuming even half of it is a mystery to me the info abounds elsewhere and in a much more helpful ways than the witness pages with all there useless rhetoric and general bad taste slogans so salted throughout.

Ask yourself this Fester Does DBS DO anything helpful? Does he give you any real help or is he a glorified baby sitter of his flock? Sowing just enough crap to discredit REAL 9/11 help from getting traction. A game i might add that Alex Jones is pretty good at.

How much time have you wasted on the skipping record that is DBS? A fair amount if you have the whole lot of his shows under your belt. Is this guy giving out any as he puts it "Ground shaking news"? News that others have not broken for him? i bet not. So just why is DBS still going after all the expense and trouble? Still racking up a monster phone bill to continue his game? A international Long distance bill of conference calls that he pays for HOW?

Where does Mr Smith and Hufschmid acquire the funding for there information sessions?

Oh and one more to ponder

Where did the Ben freedman MP3 come from? Does Daryl or Eric have the two vinyl records? Who did the encode on them? (all Q: Daryl will not answer)

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

MASHER boy, I'll make it simple for you as you're a busy youngster with only one free hand:

When someone exposes DBS, Bollyn, or Hufschmid in a material lie, I will distrust them. If someone, not you of course, can show that they are shifting attention away from bad guys and onto innanities (see Masher/Poseidon), then I will distrust them. Or if someone can show that they are attacking good guys for bad reasons (see Masher/Poseidon), then I'll distrust them.

So far, nothing of the kind. Just a WHOLE lot of hot air and bullshit which always indicates a dung heap.

You should of taken your Uncle Fester's advice. Too late. You best get yourself some pencils and a tin cup.

Follow that CIA scum bag. I could care less. As to your defense of DBS Well i have said my piece about you. So Fume on Fester ol Boy because as long as you look to the shady Mr Smith for guidance you will just have to look stupid for i cannot stop this from going down. DBS is and will forever be a lier for saying the things he had said about me. And honestly if you cannot see the Evil in the man's ways then you are just going to have to learn the HARD way.

Because Masher1 is surely tired of talking about the Asshole Daryl B. Smith and his show shot full of lies. I will now end the DBS crap with this: I will never trust ANYTHING Smith or Hufschmid say. Nothing they say can be trusted. All of the info they use is easily obtained from MUCH more CREDIBLE sources than Smith or any of his gang. Look for the OTHER voices The PEACEFUL voices that will help you.

It's Your Brain. Are you going to let Daryl B. Smith spit all over it without defending yourself?

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

I don't think it matters whether he and his friends are genuine truth seekers or not. By their fruits you shall know them. If someone points out Zionist crimes and criminality that is all that matters. Whether that someone is then also married to Rupert Murdock does not matter in the least because they have brought evidence and proved that the Zionists are criminals.

This does not mean we follow them in everything, we simply accept the truth based on its merit.

We reject untruths.

As far as building a coherent anti-Zionist movement is concerned, I think Islam is already there....the Zionist myths are simply exposed by Islam. All it takes is for Muslims to unite and to live by their deen (Islamic way of life), and by doing so they will destroy the power of the Zionists.

Being divided and deluded by Zionist fantasies only empowers the enemy. Unity can only be built on a unified goal/aim and a unified and broad methodology all of which already exist in Islam.

I have been reading recently about the history of Islam in Andalusia (the Iberian Peninsula), and the pattern is writ large for this century. Whenever Muslims were divided and immersed in the life of the world, drinking wine, building palaces, hugely taxing people, fighting with other Muslims (in short not following Islam), their enemies destroyed them and killed them. Whenever they lived by Islam they were given power. It really is that simple. Zionists represent a challenge from God, either Muslims abandon Islam and become enslaved, killed and controlled by Zionists, or they embrace Islam, live by it, love it and become a means of building a strong Muslim nation which destroys the Zionists. The choice is ours.

QUOTE:
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My enemy's enemy

is my friend?
oldranger | Wed, 2007-04-11 19:20
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What if "My enemy's enemy is ALSO my enemy?"

For example there I have 3 enemies:

Enemy A
Enemy B
Enemy C

And Enemy B is the Enemy of Enemy A

From the statement "My enemy's enemy is my friend", would that mean Enemy B now becomes my friend?!!!

What about Enemy C, who is the sly observer, waiting for my enemies and myself to destroy each other?!!!!

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This is getting confusing!

Can't we all just get along?!

Can't we all just be friends?!

;-)

Folks, I appreciate the follow ups.

Leftie, I remember hearing the Muslims denouncing 911 as the work of Zionists and thought they were a pathetic and brainwashed/information starved bunch of folks. Course I was raised to think that about the milita movement and they knew more than I. Maybe it's time to rethink NASCAR too.

UAZ, thanks for the links. I listen when I get a minute. Could you indicate why I should listen. You said it's one I probably missed. What comes out in it relating to Posiedon and MASHER's baseless assertions? I've heard Mullins 6 times and he spends almost the whole time patiently listening to Daryl and saying, "that's what I found out 50 years ago." He is right with Daryl in identifying Piper as a plant.

Poseidon's claim that Mullins is a dupe is fuckin GARBAGE and I hope many people here have noticed. Maybe he'll produce something to support that assertion, but that is extremely unlikely given what he tried to sell last outing.

Bye MASHER. I'll miss your oh so regular movements. I did want to point out that your closing statement was EXACTLY what you began with...the one you DIDN'T BACK UP because YOU COULDN'T. Smith, Bollyn and Huf may be revealed as liars someday but not by the likes of you. You're function is inject yourself into discussions and bore people to tears. Glad you've shot your wad. See ya.

I am going anywhere? Are you thick Fester? Or just slow. DBS is BORING BORING BORING. So YOU ARE BORING.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

go at eachother like this.

clearly, whoever is working to divide and mislead the truth movement is succeeding brilliantly.

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"Money" has no value - people do.

MASHER, pardon me. You said, "Follow that CIA scum bag. I could care less. As to your defense of DBS Well i have said my piece about you." The "CIA scum bag" charge is naturally unsubstantiated, but MASHER you did clearly say you'd "said your piece" and that "Masher1 is surely tired of talking about the Asshole Daryl B. Smith and his show shot full of lies. I will now end the DBS crap with this: I will never trust ANYTHING Smith or Hufschmid say."

Now you're incensed that I read what you said and believed you.

I don't worship DBS, but I do NOT sit by idly while bullshit artists like yourself casually smear him. IF you had any evidence, you would present. YOU DON'T. You've been asked many times in many ways AND YOU OFFER NO PROOF except your HIGH SCHOOL CONFIDENTIAL bullshit whispering campaign. You're a poo flinging monkey MASHER. Face it.

I'll say it again: maybe Daryl is not legit, maybe Bollyn is not legit, maybe Hufschmidt is a liar. Fine. I can and will deal with that WHEN one someone offers some proof. Not the load of pissant bleatings that have so far surfaced.

Poseidon says "someone said DBS put words in Mullin's mouth." Who the fuck is someone? I referred people to the show where any idiot would see that no such thing had transpired.

UAZ, shows up with great material, like Poseidon, and then seems to follow suit by saying Mullins is "playing both sides of the fence." It would be REAL NICE to have a specific charge as in Mullins says A and later says B regarding topic Z. Since he asserts that Mullins credibility is in dobut, where the hell are the details? Does Mullins talk to Piper and start denigrating DBS? What fence? What sides?

You're probably busy. I'll listen to the whole deal. But I hope you ain't gonna start doing the MASHER dry hump on me.

Q, this is an outstanding site and folks ought to put something on the table when they make charges. DBS calls bullshit on Jones for the "germanic death cult" bullshit and his belated and very fleeting references to Zionism. That's specific and can be refuted or supported. He distrusts Rense for his mixing of topics. He doesn't just say somebody is a bad guy for resons that they'll have to figure out on their own.

The focus of this site is the Zionist problem or am I off base? I don't want to make a career of this but MASHER is designed to bore and wear people out. And if you think my assessment of Posiedon's claims is wrong, I would appreciate hearing your thoughts. Maybe I need more sleep, but the "proof" he offered proved only that he thinks people will take his word for anything.

Finally, we do all agree that the Money Masters DO use deception, don't we? They're expert at it and very thorough, right? I love harmony, but a bit of vigilance ain't too high or an unexpected price to pay is it. Peace.

Fester continues to defend the iamthewitless gang of three, who to my mind - and many others - are agent provocateurs installed to divide, mislead, and gather information on, the 9/11 truth movement. Piper describes it as a Deguello operation.

He says that "Hufschmid has a theory that anyone who questions the veracity of Bollyn, Smith or Hufschmid must be a "Crypto-Zionist." What DBS et al do is criticize (harshly) those who ignore the Zionist element in 911.

But if you don't ignore the Zionist element in 9/11 and you suggest that the iamthewitless gang are not as they make out to be, you are labelled by them as a "Crypto-Zionist", which demonstrates my point. One thing they do is try to divide the movement by claiming that there are millions of Crypto-Jews and thousands of websites run by Crypto-Jews. It's an interesting theory, but are the Zionists paying $5,000 a month to all those people, or blackmailing them? And how many controllers does the ADL need to employ to handle the million? How do they ensure that someone won't talk - "I used to be a Crypto-Jew, a shill for Israel and World Jewry!" - hire a lot of hit men?

I would suggest Smith & Co get their supporters to raise funds to offer a reward for one of these "Crypto-Zionists" to defect and tell their story. Maybe they could produce some evidence to back up their claims. My theory is that the Zionists employ a few key people such as Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn. The rest of Israel's supporters volunteer out of a misguided sense of tribal loyalty, encouraged by organizations like GIYUS.

They also criticize those who promote nonsensical ideas.

Then they ought to criticise Hufschmid for promoting his in-laws' unscientific "Apollo moon landings were a hoax" nonsense.

They do not claim to have the whole truth and admit to making mistakes.

Like when Bollyn provoked the police into arresting him, couldn't get his cover story straight, and most people saw through the deception?

What other 911 stories of Bollyn's have you exposed as fraudulent?

I certainly wasn't the first to expose his fraudulent claims. One was about "seismic "spikes". Another was a distortion of what Peter Tully and Mark Loizeaux told him about where the molten steel was found. The question is, how much of his work can we trust? I was worried that his report about Zim Shipping moving from the WTC was false; fortunately, the September 4, 2001 move from the WTC is confirmed here.

Do you really expect readers to believe that the effect of Bollyn's work and his appearances on www.iamthewitness.com radio show is do DISCREDIT the molten metal evidence?Who’s turned away from the 9/11 story because of Bollyn’s work?

Bollyn helped CNN produce the Paula Zahn hit piece portraying genuine 9/11 truthers as "racists". I have found that pro-government characters are quick to seize on what they call "Bollyn's lies" and reputation as a liar, Bush-hater and/or anti-Semite in debates.

Next point is that "AFP censorship lie" tarbaby you can't shake. Hufscmid was NOT caught lying.

He claimed Bollyn's work was 'censored' and it wasn't, so he was lying.

What he did was rely on Bollyn's version of events and then ADMIT that he had relied on Bollyn.

So he admits to inadvertently lying, failing to cross-check Bollyn's claims, and confirms that Bollyn was lying.

[...] limp and sweaty assertions about Bollyn, DBS, and Hufschmid. You tried once before saying that DBS had "put words in Mullin's mouth." That one was HORSESHIT as will be confirmed by an indpendent listen to the file.

Talk of feline urine and equine excrement and...

Poseidon's claim that Mullins is a dupe is fuckin GARBAGE

seems rather "limp and sweaty". But I can appreciate that someone who was listening to a lot of Smith and missing out on others' comments could end up as a Smith supporter. Who knows - if I hadn't started listening to Piper around the time of the Danner fiasco, then noticed the SOTT thread after the Bollyn arrest saga, maybe I would still support Smith. But I think I'd have seen through him by now. Like 9/11, there are some unpalatable realities whichever theory one prefers.

I have listened to some of Smith's broadcasts, and this reminded me of why I became dissatisfied with him. For example, consider his 16 Dec 2006 interview with Eustace Mullins. Within the first 2:30 minutes, Smith is already talking about "a couple of clowns" who attended the Iranian conference on the "Holocaust". The two he refers to are David Duke and Mike Piper. At about 10 minutes, Smith starts talking about Mark Lane, saying that he is Jewish and suggests that he is a dodgy lawyer who deliberately loses his suits against patriots. Maybe Mullins has been compromised by the Zionists, because Mullins is then caught out in a lie (10:30 minutes): "Mark Lane has a perfect record - he loses every suit he engages in for a patriot."

Lane represented the right-wing group Liberty Lobby as an attorney when the group was sued over an article in The Spotlight newspaper implicating E. Howard Hunt in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Hunt sued for defamation and won a substantial settlement. Lane successfully got this judgement reversed on appeal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Lane_%28author%29

It would make more sense that Mullins is one more Zionist tool, than the idea that Mike Rivero, the Iranians (see below), David Duke, Ernst Zundel, Germar Rudolf, most of American Free Press, etc are all Zionist agents. But a simpler explanation is that Smith just invites people on to his show for a gossip session, where they try to dish up as much dirt as they can find. Everyone likes a bit of gossip.

It's also amusing to hear Smith suggesting (13:10 minutes) that the Iranians are Crypto-Zionists and part of the conspiracy. He suggests that they are "part of a lie". The bovine excrement meter starts to go off the scale!

If you listen to the link you sent (http://youtube.com/?v=8XImPMZ_KLc) which you label “a MUST SEE,” people will hear Piper respond to that accusation by joking that it would be news to the guy he supposedly is in a relationship with. Piper’s response clearly suggests that he IS gay although he doesn’t admit to the relationship in question. Why would you tack on another “can we really take Bollyn’s word for anything” dig when the info you refer people to doesn’t make your case.

It is you who must be hoping that readers don't check out that link.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8XImPMZ_KLc

I would urge everyone to listen at 7:50 minutes where Piper jokes about Bollyn's claim that Piper was in a homosexual relationship with Scott Makufka, saying that it would "come as a surprise to Lisa Guliani" who was Makufka's girlfriend.

Posiedon: Daryl Smith slams John Kaminski for being a "racist" who is too obssessed with "Jews" and Talmudic supremacism. [...]
Fester: Wrong again. DBS slammed Kaminski because he thought he was trying to get him in trouble with the Hollercuss laws in France.

That's not what he said at the time, and I don't remember Kaminski talking about the "Holocaust". DBS was complaining that Kaminski kept using the term "Jews" and "Jewish" rather than Zionist.

Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn seem to have their own guardian angels. Smith is in France which has Holocaust denial laws and is linked to a website which correctly points out that the "Holocaust" was a hoax. His defense is that he does the talking and Hufschmid runs the website. However, Ernst Zundel was in the US, which supposedly still has free speech, and said that his wife was running the Zundelsite which questions the "Holocaust". That didn't stop Zundel getting extradited to Canada and then to Germany, facing a total of some 9 years including time already served in solitary confinement. It's also interesting that Daryl manages to avoid the fate of people like Robert Faurisson (teeth knocked out, jaw broken, hospitalised for weeks) or Francois Duprat (killed by Jewish terrorists when his car was blown up; his wife lost the use of her legs).

http://www.zundelsite.org/english/debate/victims/index.html

The surprising thing is that anyone still follows iamthewitless. There are far better sources of information, without all the accompanying baggage.

UAZ, THANK YOU for the follow up and the specifics. THAT is a VERY INTERESTING and SIGNIFCANT charge and will be easy to test. Perfect! If what you say is true, then all of Mullin's statements and Daryl's work with him will need to be reevaluated.

Poseidon, you've been positive for so long that DBS is false that I'm surprised you didn't offer something of similar import. I'll wade through your quibbles and bits when I've got the time.

Quas, if you could share with me know how to indent, bold, etc I'd be grateful. But more importantly, if youu or anyone else (Clay, Leftie, AZ, Worm, etc) has heard the Piper-Mullins interview that AUZ cites, could you please share your views?

Poseidon, you say,
"My theory is that the Zionists employ a few key people such as Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn."

Fester: So your theory is that the Zionists employ a few key people who get ZERO mainstream coverage. The truth movement continues to grow. For your theory to work, the controllers would need “the few keys” to be sufficiently visible to soak up the pressure. Jones is the one getting CNN and Clear Channel time. The Zahn hit piece was a one time attempt to stanch a leak. Does this idea make sense to anyone else? I imagine a few key gatekeepers in power positions for sure with a horde of shills of various shapes and sizes working the media angle, no?

Posiedon says, "they also criticize those who promote nonsensical ideas.
Then they ought to criticise Hufschmid for promoting his in-laws' unscientific "Apollo moon landings were a hoax" nonsense."

Fester: That’s Hufschmid’s pet project. Smith and Bollyn don’t push that or make it a litmus test. You'll undoubtedly claim that they do, so I ask for someone familiar with Smith's show to to back me up.

Next, Poseidon says, "They do not claim to have the whole truth and admit to making mistakes. Like when Bollyn provoked the police into arresting him, couldn't get his cover story straight, and most people saw through the deception?"

Fester: You seem to obsess on this and are either incapable of or completely unwilling to distinguish between a material lie relating to the central issues of 911 and trivial discrepancies in accounts of non-essential issues.

Another one of these towering anthills is your claim "Mullins LIED" because he overstates when he says "Lane has never won a case." What language do you speak? That’s they way people talk and I know you know that. You also claimed "DBS LIED" because he said “everyone in the UK knows 7/7 was an inside job.” Same problem bogus, bogus M.O. dude.

Like the garden Gnome Chomsky, you’re too bright not to know what you’re doing, and reveal yourself barking like a carnie.

HOWEVER, IF you ever offer something which generates substantial doubts about Bollyn et al, THEN these quibbles will gain weight and might contribute to the case you insist to have made.

Poseidon says, one fraudulent claim was about "seismic "spikes". Another was a distortion of what Peter Tully and Mark Loizeaux told him about where the molten steel was found. The question is, how much of his work can we trust? I was worried that his report about Zim Shipping moving from the WTC was false; fortunately, the September 4, 2001 move from the WTC is confirmed here.”

Fester: Am I the only perosn here who has problems with Posiedon's characteriztions and techniques?Bollyn’s “errors” regarding seismic spikes or the location of molten metal in the ground DO NOT harm the truth movement. Nobody is going to reject the central thesis or lose interest in finding out the truth because a couple of details may be incorrect/off.

Your approach, however, is to pied-Piper people completely away from Bollyn. If they rely on you, newcomers will never bother with Bollyn. You’ve got quibbles with Bollyn and your versions of them are probably bullshit anyway. That’s it.

Your little postscript on Zim Shipping is a pretty transparent maneuver also. He's right on the Zim story and you manage to make it sound like a reason to doubt him. There’s a name for the technique which escapes me. Perhaps Worm or another scholar will supply the term if they concur with my reading of your stools.

Again, if I'm wrong here, I welcome some intelligent criticism or info.

Your other arguments are the same dubious quibbles, assertions, and misdirections. People who have ALREADY listened to DBS know why he distrusts Kaminski. He doesn't do Jew-baiting. sKaminski does and MIGHT jeopardize his show.

With UAZ’s help, I am now very interested in Mullin’s credibility. You do your “they can’t be that many Zionist plants” routine again which to my ear sounds very much like the “they could never have a conspiracy because that would require too many people.” That is a standard disinfo lie but you seem to lean that way.

DBS questions the Iranian leadership because they seem to offer the Zionists material upon which to “justify” an attack. It's debatable that they do play into the warmongers hand with the statements and actions that they’ve engaged in. This is a moot point but NOT any sort of proof that Smith is false.

We ended up in the Zionist shitter because we stopped asking questions and being vigilant.

I hope folks are still looking at this as Posiedon reveals himself a true bottom dweller.

Eustace Mullins is one of the good guys, along with almost everyone else in the patriot movement. Listen to Piper's January 8, 2007 show:

http://216.240.133.177/Piper/07/index.php

At 2:09 minutes, Piper says there is a "real poison inserted into the American patriot movement", going on to talk about Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn. At 4:35 Piper says that Eustace Mullins is not going to have any more to do with them (Smith & Co). Eustace comes on the show, and it turns out he has never met Smith, never even seen a picture of him, but Smith wanted Eustace to move to France and stay with him. Piper points out that would be "pretty dangerous". At 11:40, Piper says: "I gather, Eustace, from what you told me that he seems to call you up and kinda try to pup you for information, or try to put words in your mouth, and then he gets you on the air, and just starts running at the mouth himself." 11:56 Eustace Mullins: "Oh he does, and he leads me on about things that I have no interest in whatsoever." At 13:46, Eustace points out that he is alone when he does the talk shows, and he does about a dozen a week. 14:30 minutes, Piper: "I had someone here call this program one time who was apparently trying to lead me into endorsing violent acts of..." Eustace Mullins: "Oh yes, that's a typical FBI technique." Piper: "Yeah, yeah... Now this guy Smith has apparently perfected this as one of his operations and..." Mullins: "Well I really think so, because judging by my experiences with him, this has been a deliberate entrapment." 15:45: Mullins: "I knew Chris (Bollyn), and he's a very fine person, and I could not believe that he was involved in something like that."

At around 24:00, Piper explodes Smith's myth about Mark Lane being a "Jew" who controls the American Free Press, saying that Lane is not even the lawyer for AFP, and since 2001 he hasn't been in the office more than about 8 times.

On Piper's February 21 show (start of broadcast), he says how angry he is with Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn. They have published a document on their website that accuses Eustace and two other gentlemen many, many years ago of committing a homosexual rape on a teenage boy. Piper describes it as "bullshit". None of the three went to jail. Piper describes the iamthewitless terrible trio as "pieces of garbage" who are "below the sewer", "coprophiliacs" (I won't link to the definition) and "hookworms regurgitating garbage" who are assaulting the integrity of an 83-year-old man.

From the iamthewitless website:

In about 1955, Mullins, Koehl and Fleckenstein were arrested in New York State regarding the sodomizing of a teenage boy in the back seat of a car on a county road.

As the story goes, the three queers picked up a hitch hiker, Fleckenstein was the aggressor, Mullins the observer and Koehl the driver. After Fleckenstein was finished with the boy, the boy was dumped off the side of the road where the boy noted the car license number and reported the incident to his parents.

http://www.iamthewitness.com/History-of-White-Nationalism.html

Ladies and Gentlemen of the jury. Consider how the iamthewitless Gang of Three exploit a natural consequence of the legal system in order to herd in their followers. To those of us who know that Zionists did 9/11, the WTC was demolished, etc, internet websites and blogs often focus on the key issues and name the prime suspects to an extent that gives them great appeal. When you look at what American Free Press or characters like David Duke or Alex Jones or Jeff Rense are saying or promoting, there is a somewhat dissatisfying feel to it. They might be critical of Zionism or talk about a globalist conspiracy or provide some information, but it appears rather watered down compared to the best material found on the internet. And they generally do not focus much on 9/11. They present as intermediate between the mainstream media and the best of the internet.

According to Judas goats such as iamthewitless, it is all a grand conspiracy involving hundreds of thousands or millions of "Crypto-Zionists". But there is another explanation with the advantage of economy of postulates: It is more reasonable to suppose that newspapers and prominent individuals are forced to hold back because of the threat of legal action. For example, Liberty Lobby was sued by E Howard Hunt when The Spotlight newspaper published an article implicating him in the JKF assassination. Hunt initially won a substantial settlement, but the judgement was reversed on appeal. So these alternative media will do their best to get information out that the mass media avoids, but are rather restricted compared to anonymous bloggers and may seem to be pulling their punches.

Smith tries to tarnish David Irving as a "homosexual" and a "Crypto-Zionist". Irving cannot be accused of not punching his weight; he has been jailed in Austria and lost a legal battle with Deborah Lipstadt - who would get the role of the Beast rather than Beauty - due to a judge fearful for his career. Take a look at David Irving's great website...

http://www.fpp.co.uk/

...which has much more than revisionism; it includes pages on topics such as the Odigo warnings. Has Bollyn ever done work as comprehensive as that? Or look at WRH files on 9/11.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_911.html

Or Jim Hoffman's superb site.

http://www.911research.wtc7.net/re911/hoffman.html

Bollyn's material in comparison is rather tame.

Let's say the ADL only has to pay those million Crypto-Zionists $1,000 a month, not the $5,000 that I believe Smith has suggested - for some, anyway, like Alex Jones. For 1 million Crypto-Zionists, the cost over 5 years would be $60 billion. Does anyone seriously think the Rothschilds or the Bronfmans would pay this when for a few million they could employ a paranoid internet blooger who is the son-in-law of Rupert Murdoch, an out of work third rate journalist with a rather fervid imagination and something of a Walter Mitty chartacter, and an FBI/CIA type skilled in entrapment interview techniques. And let an "invisible hand" - fear of being sued - do the rest of their dirty work.

The Judas goat will try to promote himself as a 'genuine' truth seeker and anti-Zionist by publishing some good information, targeting the bad guys and taking advantage of the nationalist newspaper or prominent person's requirement to tread carefully. Of course they seem to be going after the bad guys. That's the way the sting works. Judas goats generally have a guardian angel: friends in high places.

But what has Bollyn actually done for the movement? The molten steel, the non-existent "seismic spikes", the Jabotinsky connection, Zim shipping, batteries in the WTC. His stories were either in the public domain, would soon be released, or are disinformation. If the information was going to be released anyway, they would have primed Bollyn, so he could appear as the "anti-Zionist" he was billed as.

Until recently, I hadn't been following this year's antics by the terrible trio. The Piper archives are available at the above link, although unfortunately there are hardly any descriptions for the 2007 shows.

I researched the topic of Hufschmid / Smith / Bollyn duplicity last year, and had already concluded that they were likely to be guilty on a balance of probabilities. With their activities of 2007, I believe the evidence is now conclusive. Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn are all Zionist agents. They should be avoided like the plague.

All seems to fit the profile i have for the things i saw previously from them. 100% in line with my recollections of DBS's dung like creditability.

I have not been able to find a photo of Daryl Bradford Smith. No video of him talking has ever been posted as far as i can see. No persons at all have ever seen him and will come forward with proof of the facts of this sighting. All a MAJOR collection of reasons to think DBS is just CIA and nothing more. That goes for Every one of his buddies.

Well Fester any not BORING commentary on these claims of Poseidon's ??? Is here ANYTHING new at the

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Chirrp chirrp chirrp. And nothing much else.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Reading all this, going into the various links over several hours has really made me think. I haven't come to any conclusions but I have some thoughts to share.

Any conflicts and divisions among people genuinely seeking the truth is not constructive. Although it is wise to be somewhat suspicious of the real purpose of what we read, it's not good not jump to negative conclusions about people.

It is important to keep in mind that all people involved are just human beings, and everyone has limitations and imperfections. I haven't decided whether Smith is a disinformation agent or not, but he is an obviously flawed human being who has gone too far in some of what he's written. The result may have been to create anger, divisions and unnecessary suspicions, and so the Truth Movement perhaps does not benefit from him.

It is ridiculous for him to write that Piper is a Zionist mole, or that Duke is a Zionist agent. That being said, I was disappointed in Piper's overreaction to Bollyn's criticism, and I agree that Duke's racism distracts from the important issues that he accurately addresses, such as Zionist control of the media and Jewish Supremacism.

Smith correctly identifies people like Jeff Rense as working (but maybe not deliberately) on behalf of the Zionist agenda, because when people look at that website, they associate truthseekers with nutcases. As far as Alex Jones is concerned, I don't think he's a Zionist agent, but he does seem to be distracting us away from the elephant in the room. I think he's into it as his career - he makes a living from it. He knows his boundaries, and so he's careful not to tread on the most powerful group in America, namely the Zionists.

Michael Rivero is sincere and has enlightened many people, so Smith, it seems, is just being destructive in condemning him. When Smith claims Mark Glenn is a Zionist agent I can't help but wonder whether Smith is one himself, because Glenn is doing a great job of revealing the truth.

Whom do we trust? At this site, I trust the motives of Qrswave, The Great Revealer, History Worm, Quasimodo, Poseidon, Leftfield, Masher1, Againstzionism, Claymorekind, Sullivan and others. Although I don't always agree with every word they write, I understand where they are coming from, and have a sense that they're good people. I don't trust the motives of Oldranger, who seems to be an antagonistic troll. And while I think Fester may be sincere, he is by times rather confusing instead of enlightening.

Just thought I'd share those thoughts.

for your vote of confidence.

I write in defense of Fester and Old Ranger, both of whom I believe to be sincere, even if I disagree with some of their conclusions and reasoning(much the same as I sometimes disagree with others).

Can't we all just get along???

As a personal request to you all, I ask that you keep your personal suspicions about others to yourselves.

Let's focus on those who are unequivocally trying to destroy humanity.

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"Money" has no value - people do.

Poseidon, you're sharing what appears to be quite the motherload of info exposing DBS. Looks like VERY important material.
Wish you deigned to share it earlier.
I don't think my request for substantiation was that badly worded. Instead we had to go through a long, tedious, time wasting exchange. It'll be awhile before I can run down all the links, so MASHER's gonna have to continue to play with himself a bit longer.

Q, regarding the unity thing, we should keep in mind the bad guys RELY on disinfo and THEREFORE it's a constant. If it takes a little heat in the discussion to remove it, it's worth it.

Finally, Posiedon, I hope you'll update your page criticizing DBS and include this new old stuff.

IF what you've got turns out to be good, it's BIG, so I'll THANK YOU very sincerely in advance.

I always trust the impressions i get about the things i hear and read. I was INTO listening to DBS ,Eric and would listen to ANYTHING they said. Then i started to ask myself WHY or for what REASON would DBS say certain things i as a normal human would say WTF did you say that for. Or similar sorts of nagging questions i put to the back of the brain for over a year. But the real reason i don't trust DBS and his crue is that he will not defend his position on many things like the Ben Freedman Mp3 or his standing up throwing off the Shady cloaks he wears.

I don't believe that he does a overseas call in show like he says.
I DOUBT very much that Anyone was ever born "Daryl Bradford Smith"

And i think that he has posted to our forum MANY times. Under as many as 3 separate handles. I listened to every word DBS had to say right up till march 06' and i can tell u that a sharp mind can shoot his show FULL of holes so big you could collapse a tower through them.
If of course you could listen to that dreck for a second or third time.

One slight slip i heard him say once was that on a intro he sliped and claimed to be Dr Morgan freeman. See show with title "DarylSmith_111605a1.mp3" he says it right early in this one.I am still having a moment with this little Freudian slip.

Please never stop asking Questions of these folks that are doing all this Truth movement preaching. Try to identify the motives of the speaker Quickly. I feel a major fool for being so easily tricked by a man of his reputation but as i have allwas said to all in my spot on DBS The man is good and you are the only mind that will see his evil.
Being lead to select bits of there bad ways is not enough . The game at the Wittiness is to gather a FLOCK. and CONTROL IT! As soon as you identify the method of the Lies of DBS you will have a nasty "TIMMY" Streak running through you too.

P.S. QRSwave I was on T-3's for gum pain last week and lost it a smige on Fester. Sorry. Don't fret i am much better now and can and will try to ignore him this week i promise.

P.P.S. thanks Justice Seeker My job is much easier with some support.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Fester,

Yes, I'll update the page. As I said, I hadn't been following the Smith saga in recent months, so it took some time before I tracked down which of Piper's shows had material on Mullins and Smith's gang. Your blog has generated some lively discussions - useful, as we are all probably learning a few things.

Here's a bit about Piper's December 20, 2006 show, audio can be downloaded at this link:

http://216.240.133.177/Piper/06/index.php

16:15 minutes: Piper mentions "these three garbage men" and says that they are even trying to suggest that Sam Danner is "part of the same Zionist rat nest", allegedly run by David Duke.

To see what the white nationalists are saying about Smith, have a look at this thread.

18:00 minutes: Piper confirms that Mark Lane was born Jewish, but says that he is an anti-Zionist Jew, and not very religious. 19:10: Piper says (of Smith & Hufschmid) "I think they brainwashed Bollyn." (I think he was an agent when he was installed at AFP back in 2000, and had to go over to Smith/Hufschmid's operation when AFP got wise to him.)

24:30: Piper says Bollyn complained he had his salary cut twice at American Free Press, but failed to mention that everyone else did too, including Piper.

25:00: Piper says that last summer, William Rodriguez sent an email to Bollyn saying that he never wanted to see him again. And according to Piper, Bollyn describes Rodriguez as a "good friend", whereas in December 2006 CB/DBS/EH were putting out a rumor that W Rodriguez was a "Zionist agent"!

justice seeker,

A very fair, balanced summary. I agree with almost everything. But I think there is little doubt about the trio being disinfo agents as opposed to flawed characters, although I probably spent too much time looking into the matter last year. Smith a flawed character, but somehow exhibits professional FBI-style entrapment techniques in his interviews? And if Ariel Sharon's son or even a son-in-law promoted himself as an "anti-Zionist" who was trying to bring about justice for the Palestinians, or business partners of Dubya and Poppy such as the bin Laden family were said to have an anti-Bush "black sheep" in the family who hated the US, would anyone on here believe it?

I haven't listened to the Mullins-Piper interview yet, but the rest of Po's latest seems to be more of the same and NOT quite the "motherload" I enthusiastically praised it as being.

A quick request: Do others feel that Bollyn's contributions are "tame"? Has he really offered "not much" as Posiedon claims?

Off the top of my head, I credit him with bringing out the following: Sam Miller-Cleveland connection with Son Miller a highly placed policy maker in DC, Fuji Bank oddities, Chertoff's 911 role and family history, molten steel pouring out of the WTC, Huntleigh security issue, the odd behavior of the PA coroner in the Shanksville shootdown, Zim shipping, Odigo, dancing Israelis, Lauder role in WTC sale to Larry Silverstein and Lauder School in Herzliya, Pataki's wife's sweetheart deal with WTC wheeler
dealers, the similarity in political backgrounds of Emmanuel, Chertoff, et al.

I've gotta run, but it seems to me that these are very important issues which have not recieved the kind of FOCUSED & SUSTAINED coverage at sites such as Rivero, Jones or Rense.

Posiedon says, "But what has Bollyn actually done for the movement? The molten steel, the non-existent "seismic spikes", the Jabotinsky connection, Zim shipping, batteries in the WTC. His stories were either in the public domain, would soon be released, or are disinformation. If the information was going to be released anyway"

Is this true? Is Poseidon correct to belittle the Jabotinsky info. Do others think that it's unimportant or sooooo widely known as to rate as fluff? I've been reading Rivero, Jones, and the rest for years and get little if any of this stuff there.

I think THIS assertion of Po's can be measured and evaluated by the elite crew here at WUFYS. My feeling is that Bollyn's work is not the fluff that PoMasher claim(s).

I'll get back with the rest later. Peace.

Just did the Jan 8 Piper-Mullins show. Must THANK AUZ for his direction to it. I don't have time to monitor multiple net radio shows and had no idea that Mullins was a bare assed liar.

However, I won't accept any of his testimony as evidence against DBS. His "Smith tried to get me to move to France" statement and the rest can go in the shitter with him.

I'm left with a couple of immediate questions:

Where is Smith's reply to Mullin's lying on his show or Piper's?

When did the "A Brief History of White Nationalism" article with the reference to Mullin's homosexuality first appear on Smith's page? www.iamthewitness.com/History-of-White-Nationalism.html

How did Smith "mesmerize" Bollyn as Piper contends?

Is it more likely that the zionists infiltrated the "Patriot Movement" years ago or they employing Poseidon's "three key guys" crisis response?

Anyone have any info on Ben Freedman and his speech? Who benefits from Mullins and Piper trashing Freedman?

Mullin's has ZERO credibility. How interesting. Neither Piper nor DBS benefits from association with him.

As Fester correctly points out, if his theory is true about Mullins being a "bare assed liar" with "zero credibility", then association with him benefits neither Piper nor DBS. On the other hand, if Mullins is telling the truth about Smith's FBI-style entrapment interview techniques - as I believe - then Smith is history.

Smith's only remaining option is to push the theory that Mullins is a "liar" - and possibly a Crypto-Zionist to boot. Of course, when Mullins was on Smith's show saying that The Spotlight was controlled by Mark Lane and Willis Carto was just a frontman, etc, he was telling the truth, and any suggestion that he was a dupe was "*!?$&*' garbage". I don't know if Smith ever responded to Mullins' claims on his show, but maybe he has only just found out about them.

It's interesting that Smith's position corresponds to a chess player who is many pieces down, fighting for a stalemate. Or a snooker player who needs a snooker. And even this would leave him seriously wounded with his reputation tainted, but clinging on to life.

Eustace Mullins, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, David Duke, Mike Piper, Willis Carto, Germar Rudolf, Ernst Zundel, David Irving, Mike Rivero, John Stadtmiller, Sam Danner, William Rodriguez, etc, all Crypto-Zionists? At this rate, comedians will be protesting that these crackpot loony conspiracy theories will make them redundant!

I've done some more reading and thinking about this, and have now concluded that Darryl Bradford Smith is indeed a disinformation agent. His purpose seems to be to create divisions and mistrust within the Truth Movement. I'm still not certain about his two associates, they may have just been manipulated by him.

There's a good article on Darryl Bradford Smith by Mark Glenn on crescentandcross.com.

Poseidon says, "As Fester correctly points out, if his theory is true about Mullins being a "bare assed liar" with "zero credibility", then association with him benefits neither Piper nor DBS. On the other hand, if Mullins is telling the truth about Smith's FBI-style entrapment interview techniques - as I believe - then Smith is history.

Fester: there’s no IF about my conclusion that Mullins is bare assed liar with zero credibility. He can’t go on Smith’s show and say what he did about Piper, Cardo, Peckerick, et al and then go on Piper’s show a run down DBS. Po, please describe and point us to an example of Daryl's diabolical "FBI-style entrapment technique." You seem to be reverting to assertions and hoping that people who respect your other work will trust you on this. Please prove me wrong and explain how DBS does this with a couple of examples. I would love to be woken up if I've slept through this for years.

Posiedon: Smith's only remaining option is to push the theory that Mullins is a "liar" - and possibly a Crypto-Zionist to boot. Of course, when Mullins was on Smith's show saying that The Spotlight was controlled by Mark Lane and Willis Carto was just a frontman, etc, he was telling the truth, and any suggestion that he was a dupe was "*!?$&*' garbage". I don't know if Smith ever responded to Mullins' claims on his show, but maybe he has only just found out about them.

Fester: Acutally Poseidon, I would say that the burden is on Piper to come up with an explanation of why he still is working with Mullins. Oh yeah, the "FBI-style entrapment." But you're going to explain that for us, right?

Smtih does need to explain what happened with Mullins and what he knows about him, but he is less tainted than Piper who still handles Mullins.

Posiedon: It's interesting that Smith's position corresponds to a chess player who is many pieces down, fighting for a stalemate. Or a snooker player who needs a snooker. And even this would leave him seriously wounded with his reputation tainted, but clinging on to life.

Fester: No snarky comment.

Poseidon: Eustace Mullins, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, David Duke, Mike Piper, Willis Carto, Germar Rudolf, Ernst Zundel, David Irving, Mike Rivero, John Stadtmiller, Sam Danner, William Rodriguez, etc, all Crypto-Zionists? At this rate, comedians will be protesting that these crackpot loony conspiracy theories will make them redundant!

Fester: You’re back to your “There could NEVER be so many dubious characters in the truth movement” mantra. There was no conspiracy to kill JFK?

I've asked this before, but I think it's important for WUFYS members to consider whether they believe that the bad guys would
a) have people in place with established credentials (Piper, Mullins, Jones, and others)

or

b) that they were caught off-guard by the truth movement and came up with “3 Key Guys” to counter. This is Poseidon’s notion and it make zero sense to me.

Still would love to hear people's thoughts on Poseidon's assessment of Bollyn's contributions. Peace

Question for Fester:

Are you deliberately trying to sow seeds of mistrust and confusion, or are you doing so inadvertently?

There have been Zionist shills on this site before. Because it's one of the best truth sites on the internet, it is inevitable that a Zionist or two will sign up and start posting. Such an agent would probably try to create confusion and mistrust.

What also makes me wonder is a general negative attitude toward us goyim becomes evident in Fester's posts, a complete lack of respect for some the people here such as Masher1 and Poseiden who've consistently given us constructive information.

Are you Fester, like DBS, trying to weaken and divide us by creating confusion and mistrust? If not, what exactly are you trying to accomplish? What is the purpose of your posts and comments?

Is Fester really "Sword of Truth" with a new name and a new strategy? His writing style is similar.

"You'll know them by the fruits they bear" - Jesus Christ

Po, please describe and point us to an example of Daryl's diabolical "FBI-style entrapment technique." You seem to be reverting to assertions and hoping that people who respect your other work will trust you on this. Please prove me wrong and explain how DBS does this with a couple of examples.

We already have Mullins explaining this to Piper on the January 8 Piper Report. There is no need to waste any more time on a non-entity like Smith when it could be put to more productive use. Fester/Smith's claim that Mullins, Piper, Duke, Rivero, Ahmadinejad, Carto, Rodriguez, Danner, Zundel, Rudolf, Irving, Petherick, Hoffman, Madsen, Petherick, Nimmo, Tarpley et al are Crypto-Zionists, dupes and liars is strictly for tinfoil conspiracy theorists.

The fact that Smith tries to pretend so many good people in the patriot movement are Zionist agents should be enough to ring warning bells. If Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn were all just nutcases, it is doubtful that anyone would have ever heard of them. So they must be the Judas goats!

I've asked this before, but I think it's important for WUFYS members to consider whether they believe that the bad guys would
a) have people in place with established credentials (Piper, Mullins, Jones, and others)

Bollyn is one who was installed in 2000; to establish his credentials he made an unsubstantiated claim about having received a "death threat" from Alex Kantoravich in 2000, and David Rockefeller stopped to allow Bollyn to photograph him in 2003. Eric Hufschmid's father-in-law gave him the disinformation job around 2001. Smith/Setter was brought in later.

Oh ... I almost forgot. justice seeker raises the question of Fester's motives. Here are a few clues to consider:

Who would be sufficiently motivated and well-informed to point out that the Apollo moon landings material is "Hufschmid's pet project"? Who was promoting the Money Masters video last Tuesday? Who would be jealous of Alex Jones getting CNN and Clear Channel time? Who would be sufficiently motivated to describe a Smith skeptic as a "true bottom dweller"? Who would be motivated to defend the lunatic conspiracy theory that the Iranians are "Crypto-Zionists"? Who would be asking for material with which he could obtain a propaganda advantage by promoting Eustace Mullins as a "Zionist agent"? Who would have a sufficiently inflated opinion of himself and his FBI entrapment techniques to claim that "any idiot would see that" Smith had not put words in Mullins' mouth when Mullins himself and several others reject this claim? Who would be sufficiently motivated to, every time new evidence is presented against Smith, repeatedly dismiss it as not good enough? Who would have such in-depth knowledge of the Smith-Kaminski rift that he would cite the new, revised 'explanation' as opposed to the reason given at the time? Who would claim to be sure that Mike Piper is a "plant"? Who has a fixation with filth ("dung", "horseshit", "cat piss", "fetid fecal fragrance") - a possible sex criminal hiding out in France? Who likes the handle "Uncle Fester", having been known to use it to describe James Fetzer? Who would be likely to use a French expression such as "ménage à trois"?

Justice, if you've been following the thread, that shouldn't be hard for to figure out.

Repeatedly I've said that I am not adverse to dissention and argument if it leads to clarification. Case in point, I wasn't aware of Mullin's appearance on Piper's show. Having AUZ point that out was a BIG help to me.

I began by saying how well I thought of Posiedon's work here. THEREFORE I was troubled by his criticism of DBS which was in STARK CONTRAST to his good stuff in that it seemed to be baseless assertions and innuendo. Case in point, he says Smith uses "FBI-style entrapment techniques." I've listened to Smith for years and others here have also. IF someone can demonstrate what is meant by this charge, I'd be glad to admit my naivete and join the chorus condeming Smith.

I do suspect Poseidon and Masher because they haven't offered any serious evidence to support their charges against Smith, Hufschmidt and Bollyn. Poseidon has tried to say that Mullin's proves Smith is disinfo but Mullins has no credibility. Prior to AUZ's post, I believed Mullins was legit which he clearly isn't.

Evidence should be observable and measureable. I've offered Posiedon the chance to provide that on his charge of entrapment. He's also said that Bollyn's work is fluff. I'm surprised others haven't weighed in on this charge as it seems serious and is one that the group could assess objectively.

I'm open to revising my opinion of Smith and the gang, but I'll do it on the basis of new info. I'm not going to take Posiedon's word for because he's such a great contributor to this site.

I had hoped that I'd worded my questions clearly enough for folks to follow my line of thinking but I guess I've failed in some cases.

Poseidon, you're so SURE of your claims that you have no need to support them.

Another long, tedious blast from you and STILL NO FACTS.

I ain't DBS. I do cuss some, especially when frustrated by wankers like yourself. "Bottom dweller" is a reference to your handle.

Thanks for the bucketful of new assertions.

Folks, please put some gentle pressure on Poseidon to explain the entrapment question. Also, please weigh in on the question of Bollyn's contributions. Peace.

Here are a few of Smith's "Zionist disinfo agents":

Mike Rivero

David Duke.

Germar Rudolf

Ernst Zundel

David Irving

Eustace Mullins

Mike Piper

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Jim Hoffman

Kurt Nimmo

Willis Carto

Sam Danner

William Rodriguez

UAZ, I've been mixing your initials inadvertently and wanted to get in the mea culpa before someone tries to mash me with it. Who knows. Someone might have found it the ultimate smoking camel with which to break the strawman's back so ter speak.

I also should have said HUGE, not big, THANKS for your heads up on the Mullins-Piper show. Thinking Mullins was legitimate I gave no thoughts to Piper after hearing Smith and Mullins agree he was a Ziopuppet. I still think Smith rings truer than Piper based on gut feeling and ridiculousness of the idea that the Zionists would be playing catch up to stifle a truth movement. Their M.O. has always been to control all sides from the start. They're not new to this. The "3 Key Guys" theory is the lamest number I've seen in a long time. It boggles my mind that someone as knowledgeable as Posiedon would try to sell it.

Quas, can't seen the thingie you posted, but it's good to hear from you. I trust it's one that flatters. Maybe from the left side with a 100 watt bulb. Fess.

I don't know much about him - but, this speech sounds pretty sincere to me.

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"Money" has no value - people do.

I agree, Qrswave. Unlike Darryl Bradford Smith, Bollyn does seem to be for real, albeit with flaws. He may have just been used and manipulated by Smith. His association with DBS has hurt his credibility and may have ruined his future chances of having good people trust and work with him.

Justice, where is the evidence of Smith "using and manipulating" Bollyn?

Bollyn continues to appear on Smith's shows and website. He's there TODAY. He isn't a fool.

Do YOU have a link to a show or article in which Bollyn says he was misled, manipulated, or lied to? Something? Anything we can observe or measure? NOT unsupported assertions or idiotic mischaracterizations of unimportant statements.

Bollyn has charged that AFP used and manipulated him:
- collected money for his legal defense but never turned it over
- screwed him financially
- censored his work
- always wanted to know his location which made Bollyn uncomfortable.

Is this why Poseidon is so anxious to steer people away from www.iamthewitness.com?

For some of Bollyn's criticism of AFP-Piper-et al see the www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Bollyn-28Feb2007.html interview at around the 31 minue mark.

Now i don't want to be seen as an influence but i will say i think that Poseidon is now getting to the real meat of this unbelievably long thread. Keep at it you are almost into the light. Again sorry to have to do this the hard way. But it is Daryl coming onto our field. So even with many levels of gigerery pokery going on to hide your comings and goings you cannot hide the coming and goings of your brain. We see you CLEARLY every time you visit. I told you before Daryl I WILL ALWAYS BE HERE. I will always know your speaking if you do it on a mp3 or if you type it in because i have your number. Any one that has heard any number of the shows you put out has your number. You cannot hide form me even for a second regardless if you are talking or typing.

I told you directly that i could see you so why did you continue? Do you think that there is any hope for the "I am the Witness" show? Do you think tha ANY thing you say here is going to do anything? I cannot fathom what your end game is but whatever it is it will fail. Your not fooling that many here and i am sick of seeing your rantings and attempts to drive Down loaders to your dreck filled Mp3's.

Now i was VERY nice. I left your place and NEVER caused you any trouble there. Now i expect the same thing with you HERE just as i did at MATHABA that time we had words there.
Enough is enough Daryl your not going to delay that many for very long before your true job that your are paid for is revealed. You can do it your self. Or you can continue this RETARDED fester/lotus/PJZ shit you seem to revel in doing.
It is lame.
BORING and COUNTERPRODUCTIVE.
Please flip over to our side before it's too late for you Daryl.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Mark Glenn's site, crescentandcross.com includes articles that DO MENTION Mossad involvement in 911. Even if the site didn't have those articles, that wouldn't be a good reason for Smith to accuse Glenn of being a Zionist agent! There is so much OTHER GOOD INFORMATION on that site, I can't help but think Smith must be a Zionist agent himself - why else would he attack Mark Glenn? Who wants to discredit Glenn? The Zionists.

If not for people like Glenn, Qrswave and Rivero, I never would have awakened from my slumber a year and a half ago. I would just be another naive sheep, vaguely aware of the Zionists power but not knowing a lot of details. Who would want to attack such people as Glenn and Rivero? Obviously Zionists, and perhaps indirectly, by way of deception.

I bet Smith doesn't like Qrswave here either, since she's done such a great job of revealing the truth!

Justice, did YOU hear Smith call Glenn "a zionist agent"? If so, can you point me to it. I suspect you've heard Posiedon repeating and repeating it.

As UAZ lucidly pointed out moments ago, there are real questions about Poseidon's characterizations of what Smith has said. UAZ, excellent comments. Clear and concise. Lots of fine questions sitting there for Poseidon to take out of the park. Not.

Justice, have you heard Smith? Can YOU give me an example of his infamous "FBI-style entrapment technique"?

UAZ, i'm a bit baffled by your statement that Mullins' credibility is high. But I've been in front of this screen too long and MASHER has dropped a bomb on my world outing me as the efarious "RETARD" Daryl B. Smith/Lotus/PJZ." Poor, sad, desperate MASHER.

Everyone should read Glenn's response on his website to DBS's accusations. Smith also called him a "White Supremacist" but the strangest thing about that, is that Glenn is NOT White! He's of Lebanese heritage (Maronite Catholic) and considers himself to be Semitic.

Spend an hour or so reading through Mark Glenn's articles, and articles by other people on the site. You'll find entire articles about 911 being a Zionist false flag operation. There's no BS and evasion of truth on that website.

I'm a computer-illiterate old man who doesn't know how to link to articles on another site.

Justice, I went there this morning. I've been to and liked C&C articles previously. I couldn't find a search function and didn't find Smith or any likely looking titles. I'll go back and have another look. I DO think Smith is sometimes a little broad in his statements, but that is not sufficient for people to condemn him as a "zionist tool." Smith doesn't completely trust Rivero (he distrusts the network Rivero now has a show on and he thinks it absurd to claim that a 757 DID hit the Pentagon). I agree with Smith that these are suspcious BUT I still use Rivero's site all the time. I REALLY question Poseidon and MASHER'S sustained attacks on www.iamthewitness.com and Bollyn and Hufschmidt. They put out way too much solid info and their errors are minor. Po-Masher insist on trying to make mountains out of molehills. Go figure. Peace. Fester

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Smith's little sting operation is approaching the endgame. To understand how the operation was conducted, I shall outline an account in chronological order where possible.

The aim was two-fold: (1) To attack qrswave's excellent site, which is a thorn in the side of the Zionists. (2) To attack me. I created the file:

http://www.takeourworldback.com/short/hufschmid.htm

The original version, around last summer, was about Eric Hufschmid. When Bollyn's behavior became increasingly suspicious, I documented his activity, too. The file was regularly revised over the last year, and is now rather larger than the original.

On August 24, 2006, Curt Maynard posted the blog entry "Bill O'Reilly is a lying son of a whore". This also included an attack on Greg Szymanski, whom I believe Smith / Hufschmid correctly identify as a disinfo agent, and an attack on agent provocateur Smith himself. Maynard, a genuine anti-Zionist, was placed on Smith's hit list. I don't agree that Smith should be compared to a "lying son of a whore"; it is too insulting - to whores!

Fairly recently, Smith or one of his cronies or groupies under the handle Suzette the Whippette started making enquiries to find out who ran the Take Our World Back site.

On Thursday, 5 April 2007, Eric Hufschmid - or a US-based agent with open windows to the erichufschmid.net and iamthewitness websites - grabbed the hufschmid.htm and another (shills.htm) files from my site. On Friday 6 April, Smith - using the handle "Fester" and posing as a kind of Smith groupie who has been mesmerized by his every word - posted this blog entry at WUFYS, based on Maynard's article. They were hoping I would rise to the bait, but I was tiring of the topic of Zionist shills, and ignored it. Hence, on Sunday, April 8, Hufschmid was forced to link to my site from iamthewitness. This seems to have been a last-minute decision; Smith didn't mention me although I believe he mentioned "Fester" and Masher.

I entered the discussion on this thread the following day, Monday April 9. Smith's team then decided to bring in another plant to make up the numbers.

On Tuesday, April 10, UnitedAgainstZionism made his/her first blog entry. It was an excellent entry, in order to establish credentials as a 'genuine' anti-Zionist and 'independent' evaluator of the arguments. Rather like Bollyn establishing his credentials with the phony "death threat" and being obliged by David Rockefeller. However, UAZ's blog entry was merely lifted from a site where it had been posted the previous day, April 9, by an author "RE Virus" at merqurycity.com, an extra sentence tacked on to the start and the odd word changed here and there.

So now, of course, Fester/Setter/Smith's shill UAZ weighs in, and unsurprisingly is seen to support Fester/Smith. UAZ could be Bollyn, or Hufschmid.

No one is claiming that Bollyn didn't release any anti-Zionist information. If he hadn't, he would have had zero credibility. But disinformation was mixed in as well, such as the absurd theory about UPS batteries at Fuji Bank being thermate and an aircraft transmitter system in disguise. In order to damage the steel - most of which would have been protected by intact fireproofing - the thermate would have had to have been in thermal contact. The radiated energy attenuates in an inverse square law, and a bit of thermate in a room would not have brought down the building. And the Command Transmitter System to steer the planes would have been located in WTC7, where the CIA and the mayor had offices, not in Fuji Bank. Flight 93 was supposed to hit WTC7; after it hit the transmitter would have been redundant. They were foiled when the plane was shot down. Bollyn was also observed promoting the disinformation theory about the Cleveland Airport landing.

Christopher Bollyn does manage an impression of sincerity on occasion. But considering all his actions, such as provoking the arrest, he is a consummate liar and actor.

I would regard anyone supporting Smith too strongly as suspicious, although you have to take their previous record into account. There are many good people who have been deceived by the terrible trio. I used to believe they were on the level.

Poboy, I'm sure you're anxious to, but let's not wind up just yet since you keep heaving up such spectacular muck and nonsense.

You and the MASHER seem to be the ones running on fumes and are now reduced to accusing me of being Smith, PJZ and other entities and working in a tag-team conspiracy with UAZ to "damage Q's excellent site." Bark on dude.

The only part that you got correct was that I did get started with the O'Reilly's a Lying Whore thing at Maynard's site. I'd been printing copies of your "Zionists, Psychopaths, and 9/11" to hand out to people. I had briefly looked at your anti-Smith thing but figured, what the hell, people can disagree.

It was when the first comment at Maynard's was by our very own, oh so busy MASHER that I decided to post the "Bolshevism and Zionism" piece from DBS (www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/1142). MASHER seems to have made a career of steering people away from Smith and I thought the B & Z piece was very good.

MASHER naturally couldn't contain himself, and THEN you popped up from the depths. I hoped that you might clue me in with something solid (as UAZ did with his info on Mullins). NO such luck. All you got was an endlessly shifting load of assertions. I, exactly like Daryl!, tend to shoot from the hip and so was not the best person to sort thru the tide of insinuations and quibbles. But having started things, I felt compelled to sea it through.

You said some very interesting things, and it is my hope that the members here will focus on TWO in particular:

1) Bollyn offers nothing of import
2) Your "3 Key Guys" model for Zionist control of information

If the group takes a little time to consider these, I think there might be some reevaluation of your wisdom/motives. I think you painted yourself into a corner with those and you know it. That's why we know get your conspiracy in a nutshell attempt to wind things up.

I said from the start that I'd been wrong plenty (Mike Ruppert, Tom Flocco, Alex Jones <- he's in it for the $ is NOT an excuse, to name a couple). I remain happy to concede that DBS et al are fake IF YOU EVER GET AROUND TO PRESENTING SOMETHING WORTHWHILE.

Since that's not gonna happen, I'll stand at the ready to do battle against your "Fester Bradford Smith Is in League with UAZ to Destroy WUFYS" line of nonsense. Smells like a false flag to me but I am biased.

The articles about 911:

crescentandcross.com Main Page

Articles by Nashid Abdul Khaalig

"FBI Admits:No evidence linking hijackers"

"Israel Did 911. The Irrefutable Evidence"

UAZ, I'M DBS-Hufschmit-PJZ-etc. Don't steal my glory here.

I see you agree with me that Posiedon is casual with the facts and mischaracterizes things also.

You don't care for my use of the term "false flag." I thought it apt because Poseidon seems eager to make great waves against Smith and anyone who supports him. When queried for some evidence, he produces quibbles, mischaracterizations, and odd theories like his "3 Key Guys".

He says Bollyn hasn't done any worthwhile reporting, and I pray to JESUS that you'll explain that statement before the RAPTURE. But true to form, in his latest post www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/1250#comment-5317 Posiedon has drops that charge and goes back to saying Bollyn is problematic because he's LYING about his arrest, the FULL TRUTH of which is KNOWN ONLY BY POSEIDON. You relying on Guiliani and Thorn for that sterling truth, PO?

I used the term "false flag" because I came to the conclusion that Poseidon likes to charge people with "trying to divide the truth movement" when he himself would like to keep Smith-Bollyn-Hufschmid marginalized. IF Poseidon had any real evidence, I'd THANK him for it, but he doesn't. So, he's like those who create an incident, blame others, and reap the rewards which is close enough to the definition of "false flag" to work for me. His bleating that Fester was trying to "destroy WUFYS" reeks of desperation and I do not think he likes being asked to explain himself so in public. My questions are pretty simple; I just want a credible explanation. Peace.

UAZ makes some good points:

It appears that Poseidon takes everything Mike Piper says as gospel.

I wouldn't take anyone's word as gospel. He could even be an agent. I just find Piper's version of events more realistic than Hufsmith's theory of a million "Crypto-Zionists" who all have to be recruited, handled, probably paid, and prevented from blowing the whistle on this colossal network. And many of them high-profile names like Ernst Zundel and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad!

The "3 key guys" could be considered equivalent to Mossad katsas, with many more sayanim helping the operation. And there would be other, more obvious, Jewish agents. But the "sayanim" would be quite low-profile types, mostly just posting to internet forums.

That's why it's so bizarre that he's [Mullins] "playing two sides". It all comes down to the mystery of what happened behind the scenes between Dec 16 and Jan 8.

If indeed anything did happen, which seems to require that we propose a much more elaborate conspiracy theory with many more players...

Smith never responded to the Jan 8 Piper-Mullins show. All he said was that Piper was "manipulating that 84 year old guy" (12 Jan 2007 show, at 42:31 - 43:05). Piper didn't respond to Mullins' remarks on Smith's 16 Dec show either. He limited himself to calling the TFC trio all sorts of names (Dec 20 show at 16:08 - 27:00 and Dec 29 show at 35:58 - 39:02).

My theory is more economical than the rather convoluted conspiracy theory needed in the scenario where Mullins is got at round about the New Year. If Mullins was telling the truth on Daryl's December 16 show, then firstly you need the conspiracy theories that AFP is a "nest of vipers", with Piper, Carto, Petherick et al having all been recruited and now being handled as Crypto-Zionists, with the ensuing risk that they might defect and tell their stories. Then, for some reason, the Crypto-Zionists are so worried about Smith having exposed this on his December 16 show that they specifically employ a handler to induce Mullins to change his story into entrapment by Smith, then he is brought on to Piper's show to say so. I think it's more reasonable that Mullins wasn't got at, Piper et al weren't recruited, and Smith is the Judas goat with some skill in leading people on to run down others to serve Smith's agenda, when his interviewees are speaking without notes and about topics that they know little about.

Smith correctly identifies Greg Szymanski as a disinfo agent. Greg was shifting attention from the Zionists to the Zesuits and the Vatican. American Free Press got rid of him in September 2006, shortly before Chris Bollyn was fired. If AFP is really under Zionist control, isn't Szymanski just the sort of writer that they would be anxious to keep on board? AFP's firing of Bollyn and Szymanski is more consistent with the theory that both were regarded as unreliable reporters whose stories required checking, than the theory that AFP is "run by Jews".

Poseidon, you have a good point regarding the threat of legal action, and an interesting theory of how everyone is just afraid of lawsuits. If, as you say, Smith, Hufschmid & Bollyn are Zionist agents, then they would face no such threat. Aside from being ridiculous on its face, your theory faces numerous problems. For example, nobody has any problem blaming Bush & Cheney for everything, so why would they have trouble blaming the true culprits?

The fear of lawsuits in a Zionist-biased legal system is just one of the pressures brought to bear. There is also the fear of being labelled an "anti-Semite", "racist", etc. I'm suggesting that the behavior of Alex Jones and others is better explained as a natural consequence of the existing taboos that the crooks have successfully established, rather than postulating the existence of countless thousands of Zionist blackmail and bribery agents who are employed to enforce such behavior. And why are the crooks so worried by the truth movement that they have to employ a million agents when they already have such control of the mainstream media stemming from Adolph Ochs' takeover of the New York Times in 1896?

How would you explain their numerous guests throughout time who expose as much as the trio? To name some: Eustace Mullins, Ted Pike, Jim Condit Jr., Lorraine Day, David Pidcock, Barry Turner, Mohammed Rafiq, Chris Bjerknes, Texe Marrs, James Dickie, Andrew Hitchcock, et al. The first three are fairly high-profile, at least as much as Piper, who holds back a lot more than them.

Part of Piper's holding back can be explained in terms of the legal threat, e.g. like when he did not explicitly name the Church of Scientology. There are some facts exposed on Smith's show, but a lot of it is devoted to Smith's agent provocateur agenda of dissing his rivals. Smith also has a habit of diverting attention from today's crooks over to historical theories on matters such as Adam Weishaupt's activities, which would be less damaging to the Zionist Mafia of today.

Your theory implies that if you're ever successful you'll have to tune down your message, hold back information, or even stop exposing the real criminals altogether. Why even bother then?

Outlets such as AFP and Alex Jones lie in an intermediate zone between the mainstream media and the best of the internet. After they have established a niche for themselves, they are then worried that it would be career suicide if they start talking too much about "Zionists" or "Jews". This holding back makes the outlets a target for Hufsmith's operation to put on their list of "Crypto-Zionists". But these outlets are still useful as a primer for those who are just waking up from their slumber and turning away from the mass media. A proportion of these people will not be distracted by UFOs and Bigfoot, and will go on to the internet and find that the "globalists" are really Zionists. Or after finding out that Israel and internationalism are not all they're cracked up to be, they'll go on to discover that the Zionists are the culprits behind most of the world's woes, and 9/11 and the Hollow Co$t are their Achilles heels.

It makes little sense to believe there are only a few wolves in sheep's clothing in the truth movement. The Zionists have almost infinite money, and that can buy them lots of willing helpers and blackmail puppets. There is no shortage of people who'd sell out for money. Alex Jones may be one of those, as he seems to care only about money and fame.

If it costs the Zionists just $1,000 per month per Crypto-Zionist, a million agents would amount to $60 billion every 5 years. Given that they already have the mass media and the existing taboos about "anti-Semitism", I can't believe that the Zionists would be prepared to shell out good money to maintain all these agents for such a dubious advantage, and with the risk that it could even be counter-productive when agents start to talk. Sooner or later the truth has to come out about 9/11; the crooks are hoping that they can delay this for the rest of their natural lifetimes.

The actions of Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, Webster Tarpley, and many others who will never point the finger at Zionists as the real culprits, or who mix the truth with pure nonsense as is the case with Rense, can only be explained if they are complete idiots or agents. And it is clear that they are not idiots.

Or the other explanation as I suggest above. They don't want to jeopardize their careers. And if they risk losing an income of $5,000 a month, say, that is a more powerful incentive to avoid focusing too much on Zionism and Zionist involvement in 9/11, than an additional income of an equivalent amount.

Christopher Bollyn has exposed more than anyone in regards to 9/11. In addition to the things Fester listed: the Yoran brothers and MITRE Corp., Michael Goff and PTECH, Dominick Suter and Urban Moving Systems, Kobi Alexander and Odigo, the lease process of the WTC, the molten and boiling iron, etc. And most importantly, the connections between all these Zionists.

This is a better list than Fester's, which included some "exposes" of dubious value. I'll have another look at Bollyn's research. I wasn't following things in 2002. How much of his work was exclusive, original material, and how much had already been uncovered by rivals? But if Bollyn was an agent throughout that period, his connections would have a plentiful supply of information that could be "discovered". They would release enough to make him appear to be a genuine anti-Zionist who was well ahead of the pack, whilst trying to limit the damage.

Poseidon's "3 key agents" theory is not realistic.

The "million Crypto-Zionists" theory is not credible. It is too costly, the benefits are dubious, and the risks of whistleblowing are not trivial.

Poseidon also miscaracterizes Smith's position. Where/when did Smith ever say that Germar Rudolf, Zundel, Mullins, Ahmadinejad, San Danner, or William Rodriguez are agents? Hufschmid has suggested that the jailed "Holocaust deniers" and Sam Danner are agents, but Smith has not, AFAIK.

It is true that the trio have their differences, but they are all partners in the same enterprise. For example, has Smith ever been heard to denounce Hufschmid's Apollo theories or suggestions that the jailed "Holocaust deniers" are Judas goats?

Either Piper, Petherick and a whole lot of others such as Mike Rivero, Ernst Zundel and Eustace Mullins are Crypto-Zionist agents, or it is Smith and his partners who are the agent provocateurs and Judas goats. My money is on Smith.

Po, you're off on a new tangent, bobbing and weaving, proposing your "Million Crypto-Zionist" theory and asserting that it is a central pillar in the worldview of Smith, Hufschmidt, and Bollyn.

FACT: Daryl and Eric do toss off numbers in conversation about how many people MAY be involved, BUT the CONSTANT REFRAIN is that "THERE'S NOT VERY MANY AND WE SHOULD BE ROUNDING THEM UP." Eric then segues into his "so we gotta educate the police rather than antagonize them" spiel.

I'm sure you know this, but you'd rather launch into an entirely specious finanacial calculation. Sorry, but bullshit squared is still bullshit.

The problem is your absurd contentions which I hope people will ask you to explain or retract. I'm tired of this but then maybe you are too.

They're YOUR BABIES Po, love um or leave em, but they're ugly and dumb and I don't want them:

1) Smith, Bollyn, & Hufschmidt are the "3 Key Guys" sent by the Zionists to "divide and stifle" the truth movement. I see it as your attempt to blame Smith for something you do yourself.

2) Bollyn's contributions are insignificant. 2a) You've also said they're good. 2b) You've also said they are too good.

There's quite a bit of other stuff but I'm asking for terms here. I offer A FULL AND UNCONDITIONAL APOLOGY to you (and the mortally wounded here at WUFYS and across the truth movement in perpetuity) IF YOU PRESENT clear, specific, factual explanations for the above (1, 2a, 2b, and 2c).

If you attempt to dredge up your "Fester B. Daryl B. Smith" conspiracy theory, all bets are off.

We know that Smith claims the following: 1) American Free Press is "run by Jews" and is a de facto Crypto-Zionist organization, with Piper, Carto et al being blackmailed / controlled by ADL handlers. (E.g. see his Dec 16 show with Mullins.) 2) Chris Bollyn has done an excellent job in exposing Zionism and Zionist involvement in 9/11.

But if AFP was a Crypto-Zionist outlet, why did they allow Bollyn to expose so much about Zionist crimes? Was Mark Lane, who they say is a "Zionist" who was running AFP, sleeping on the job? If AFP were not censoring incriminating articles exposing Zionism, then they were not acting as Zionist puppets. And if they were Crypto-Zionists, why was Bollyn happy to stay with them for so long? If he was trying to gather evidence and document it, he should have published some articles on it by now.

And consider Eric's recent mud-slinging:

Take a look at all the audio files of Daryl Bradford Smith since 2005:
www.iamthewitness.com/ByPerson.html

It is too difficult for any of us to understand what these connections are, but you can see that something is suspicious. As an example, consider the strange connections between Anthony Hilder and other suspicious people.

http://www.iamthewitness.com/Ostrovsky-deception.html

So Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn are the three true truth-seekers, they don't know what the "mysterious" and "strange" connections are between people, but it must be "suspicious". Talk about baseless allegations, unsupported assertions and paranoid conspiracy theorists! Smith's gang would do a far better job if they stopped all this dissing people in the movement and concentrated on putting out anti-Zionist information. I suggest that the reason people avoid them is because they realise that Smith and Hufschmid are agent provocateurs.

This brings us on to Chris Bollyn, your point 2). I'd be willing to accept that my theory about Bollyn being a "Zionist agent" ever since 2000 could be wrong. In the alternative, I suggest the David Rockefeller connection is just coincidental, and Chris was a sincere anti-Zionist but a somewhat flawed character. He sometimes overstated his case and misinterpreted data as 'evidence', e.g. the seismic "spikes" - something which I have surely been guilty of in my quest to seek the truth.

Listen to the start of Piper's April 6, 2007 show:

http://216.240.133.177/Piper/07/index.php

Piper's suggestion is that the Mossad-controlled Church of Scientology could be the cult that is the secret force behind Eric Hufschmid - the ultimate answer to the "Hufschmid Conundrum". Smith seems to have skills in mind control techniques, given his success in inducing people like Eustace Mullins to say what Smith wanted them to say.

So the Zionists - through the Church of Scientology - employ "two key guys" to establish a cult following amongst truth-seekers. In the summer of 2006, Hufsmith succeed in manipulating Bollyn and drawing him away from AFP, where he had done some great work in exposing Zionism. Maybe he was persuaded to go along with the Danner story and even stage the Taser assault and arrest because Hufsmith had mesmerized Bollyn convinced him that it would benefit the patriot movement.

So AFP fired Greg Szymanski for being a Zionist disinfo agent, and Bollyn because his articles contained some errors inserted by Bollyn in a genuine desire to expose Zionism.

In some ways, there are more reasons to suspect Makufka than Bollyn: Makufka, like Hufsmith, was a rather divisive force who dissed others in the truth movement. Makufka tended to emphasize "Jews" as the problem, and he was so anxious to promote the "Flight 93 landed at Cleveland" theory that he even wrote a book about it. However, the Makufka - Guliani split looks genuine. She thought he concentrated too much on "Jews"; he thought she had been lured away by the "ponerology" material. In fact, both concepts of Khazar inherited traits and of psychopaths taking positions of power are valid. Maybe the Khazar influence is greater, in which case you imagine a 3-d graph which has Israeli leaders at the highest corner, the ordinary working people in a non-Khazar nation at the opposite, bottom corner, and the slope from the Khazar edge down to the opposite edge is greater than the other axis so Israeli IDF soldiers are more criminal than the average non-Khazar politician, say. The second highest corner is equivalent to IDF troops.

Fester, in the "Fester Bradford Smith plot" theory, we have the interesting coinciding of your blog entry featuring on DBS with iamthewitness linking to my site. The hufschmid.htm file has been available since about last August, so we can say eight months or a period of about 240 days.

Let the day of this blog entry define the range of required days for the timing of the iamthewitness entry. The link appeared two days after the blog entry; let us assume it could have been within the range 1 to 3 days after in order to qualify as sufficiently well-timed. So the probability of the link appearing in any of 3 days across a 240-day period is 1 in 80, i.e., only a 1 in 80 probability of an innocent explanation.

Then we have UAZ's "fortuitous" arrival at the very time Fester's blog entry is generating a lot of interest. Now it isn't particularly eventful if a newcomer posts an excellent blog entry an then enters a debate and favors one particular side of the argument - and admittedly not being too polarised. But the fascinating thing here is UAZ's detailed and authoritative knowledge of what was said on DBS shows, what was said on Piper shows, what happened with Eustace Mullins, etc, along with knowledge of the multitude of Crypto-Zionist agents theory. I'd estimate the probability of this as one in several tens.

Next we have the fact of the Fester style exhibiting similarities to that of DBS. A fair measure of this might be a probability of 1 in 10.

It's not fair to multiply all these together to arrive at a figure of 1 in tens of thousands. One must allow for what I call "improbability dilution", where other events might have indicated complicity but didn't. Taking the greatest improbability and ignoring the remainder, the 1 in 80 chance suggests that this was not just coincidence.

Fester's style of not appearing to respect his opponents made him seem a suspect character, but we are all probably a bit suspect apart from qrswave. Fester suggests he has an alibi: he was posting on Sunday when Daryl was doing a broadcast. How long does it take to do one of these shows, and how did Fester know that it wasn't recorded on Saturday?

But I can forgive Fester's style, and if he is really Smith he would probably have called someone a dodohead by now. I wanted to point out the possibility of a Zionist agent provocateur attack that could have provoked some in-fighting, and, once started, could have been hard to stop. But maybe the Zionists aren't sophisticated enough to engineer a stunt like that. We can explain the creation of the link as a result of Eric and Daryl taking an interest in this thread.

I can resolve your point 2) if people think the idea of Bollyn being a sincere but flawed character who was manipulated by Hufsmith is a better fit for the facts. As to the point 1), I don't agree that all those people suggested by Hufsmith as bad guys are being blackmailed, bribed and controlled by ADL handlers. Most of the disinformation people would be Jews who were sincere in trying to divert attention from Zionists to the Jesuits or Bush/Cheney. By establishing a couple of professional manipulators who can establish a cult following, the Zionists can provoke dissent in the truth movement without all the costs, risks, and counter-productive nature of having ADL handlers for these thousands upon thousands of Crypto-Zionists.

My theories, although not 100% correct, will always have an advantage over Smith's: My theories are aimed at modelling and describing the real world. Smith's theories are designed to serve an agenda - the Zionist agenda!

Over recent months I'd tired of the Hufsmith / Bollyn saga, and had concentrated on creating my files such as:

http://www.takeourworldback.com/wtcdemolition.htm

http://www.takeourworldback.com/smokinggun.htm

http://www.takeourworldback.com/short/potusspeaks.htm

http://www.takeourworldback.com/short/911psychos.htm

http://www.takeourworldback.com/short/saintlyjews.htm

http://www.takeourworldback.com/short/zionistdenial.htm

http://www.takeourworldback.com/short/israel.htm

...so is this really the action of a "Crypto-Zionist" or agent provocateur? It's worth spending some time investigating the matter of who are the Judas goats; I have learnt some more and sharpened up some of my theories. But there is the risk of dividing and stifling the truth movement when people do not come to the same conclusions, and time spent on the topic of shills could have been devoted to exposing Zionist crimes.

The fact that Eric and Daryl are so anxious to promote the idea that almost everyone is an agent, along with theories that are utter nonsense, tells me all I need to know about them.

Posiedon: But if AFP was a Crypto-Zionist outlet, why did they allow Bollyn to expose so much about Zionist crimes? Was Mark Lane, who they say is a "Zionist" who was running AFP, sleeping on the job? If AFP were not censoring incriminating articles exposing Zionism, then they were not acting as Zionist puppets. And if they were Crypto-Zionists, why was Bollyn happy to stay with them for so long? If he was trying to gather evidence and document it, he should have published some articles on it by now.

FESTER: It was Mullins who said that AFP was controlled by Jews. DBS, like others, think they control almost all media. You disagreeing with that one? One of your points, no longer held apparently, is that Bollyn gave out good info to lure us in. Have you now abandoned that or are you going to revert to saying all his stuff was crap in your response? You’re all over the lot Poseidon. DO RECALL that Bollyn said he was very badly treated at AFP and they CENSORED his stuff. They now smear him as a disinfo agent MUCH as you do. NO evidence really. Just a bunch of harpies saying “he’s dangerous. Stay away.” Kinda like your ownself. How interesting.

Posiedon: So Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn are the three true truth-seekers, they don't know what the "mysterious" and "strange" connections are between people, but it must be "suspicious". Talk about baseless allegations, unsupported assertions and paranoid conspiracy theorists! Smith's gang would do a far better job if they stopped all this dissing people in the movement and concentrated on putting out anti-Zionist information. I suggest that the reason people avoid them is because they realise that Smith and Hufschmid are agent provocateurs.

FESTER: What I take from them is that (GIVEN what WE KNOW about Zionist media control) VIGILANCE is required. I don’t know the problem with Mark Weber and I still read his stuff. Maynard is a Jew basher apparently. Jones is an OBVIOUS shill and I won’t waste any time on it or do CNN and Clear Channel really try to present all sides? I missed the obvious problems with Jones until Smith et al pointed it out for which I’m grateful. What Smith has is a very valuable library of shows with very good guests. Newcomers, in particular, would benefit greatly from going there and learning some historical facts. But we’ve got good old Poseidon and MASHER who have made careers of steering people away. Your 3-D graph, 3 Key Guy theory, etc. really don’t stand in comparison although I once admired some of your compilations of others work.

Poseidon: Piper's suggestion is that the Mossad-controlled Church of Scientology could be the cult that is the secret force behind Eric Hufschmid - the ultimate answer to the "Hufschmid Conundrum". Smith seems to have skills in mind control techniques, given his success in inducing people like Eustace Mullins to say what Smith wanted them to say.

FESTER: Po, DBS and the boys CONSISTENTLY belittle herd behavior and cults. The only evidence of mind control techniques are your indefatigable REPETITION of this wild assed assertion. Piper fed that line to Mullins, and MULLINS repeated it. THAT IS NOT EVIDENCE that Smith is guilty. Why the HELL CAN’t WON’T YOU tell the truth?

YOu go on and while I start to stagger under the weight and spin, you talk about Bollyn's "great work in exposing Zionism" and the "staged the Taser assault and arrest" due to Hufsmith's " mesmerizing of Bollyn."

There's a whole lot more crap after that but I've had enough for the morning.

I think there's good people on both sides of this argument - Bollyn, Glenn, Poseidon, Masher, Piper and others, and I dislike some others on both sides - Smith, Rense, and Jones. I like both AFP AND Bollyn's website, I find truth on both!

This thread has been beaten to death, so lets let it rest in peace.

This thread has been very productive for me; I can now see the strategy used by the Zionists, and how they were able to run their operation to attack the truth movement with very few key agents.

Back in 2000 and 2001 when 9/11 was being planned, the crooks could never have foreseen just how big the truth movement would become. They didn't know they would be stuck with a skyscraper to demolish without a plane to hit it, or that molten iron would be observed pouring from WTC2, or that the person responsible for falsifying the BTS on-time flights database would fail to log AA 11 and 77 as "scheduled", or the person supposed to put Arabic names on the flight manifest would not do the job, or the actor pretending to be "Osama" would have such a poor resemblance, or the "dancing Israelis" would be arrested, or Silverstein would make the mistake about "pulling it", or CNN and the BBC would exhibit foreknowledge, etc. The planners would likely have had so much chutzpah that they reckoned the mainstream media would counter most skeptics. Jewish skeptics who sincerely believed that Bush/Cheney did it would volunteer their efforts towards the cover-up. Goy skeptics would be recruited, often oblivious to the fact, to stifle the movement.

Eric Hufschmid was one of the early key agents, and Daryl Smith was brought in when the truth movement snowballed. The plan involved creating a cult following who would, in all innocence, be manipulated into acting as "agents".

As demonstrated in this thread, one of Hufsmith's main tasks is to create division and mistrust between people in the movement who should be natural allies. Smith's followers - call them the Smithsonians - are taught that Smith skeptics are "Crypto-Zionists". If they see someone posting who is anti-Smith, they are encouraged to counter it. In turn, Smith skeptics suspect the motives of Smithsonians. The Zionists would love discussions to degenerate into quarrels where each calls the other a dodohead, and people storm away in a Huf(f). I believe that was their intention here, but it didn't work with WUFYS.

When the "key guys" are professional manipulators who can create something of a cult following, they can have thousands of people volunteering to promote the idea that the Hufsmith outfit is the one true truth-teller and everyone else is fake. They even have people like Jim Hoffman, Kevin Ryan and Steven Jones on their hit lit:

We now have another name, Rebecca Cerese, and everybody else involved with this video should be investigated. Jim Hoffman exposed himself years ago. Now we need to ask Kevin Ryan and Professor Jones, "Why are you still associating with Zionist criminals?"

http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Bollyn-Hufschmid-12Jan20...

The funny thing is that, in typical Zionist fashion, they suggest that the other truth-seekers are guilty of the very crime Hufsmith is guilty of, i.e., claiming to be the one true truth-teller.

Hufsmith identified the phenomenon whereby named individuals and publishing outlets hold back for fear of losing their job or being labelled an anti-Semitic or a conspiracy theorist. It was then decided to exploit the fact that, since Hufsmith were working for the criminal network, they could say whatever they liked. Hufsmith would then claim that other truth-seekers were holding back, not because they were being kept in check by the established institutions and taboos, but because each was being blackmailed or bribed by an ADL handler. This is as silly as someone who observes a crowd of 1,000 who have got wet from standing in the rain, and then concludes: "No, it wasn't the rain. It was 1,000 invisible men, each with a water pistol!"

Po, you clearly know cult mentality from the inside out. Thank's for sharing. It just keeps getting richer, dude.

However, since the latest line is all so obvious you might have told us 100 posts back when you were spinning those other cracked plates. This latest does look promising. I'm keen to see how high and deep you can go. Courage!

Justice, I agree it's getting tedious. Sorry.

I think Smith's shows are the best I've come across. I think Piper is more suspect than Smith for having been in place for much longer. The bad guys own ALL SIDES - or the ones that get a national audience. That's commonly understood here, no? That would be AFP rather than the "3 Key Guys."

I asked for proof since Po was so adamant, and said I was open minded. I got lots of cartwheels, incantations, and barking but never anything of substance. I found the continual shifting from one charge to another very disturbing.

I think Poseidon is doing the folks here a disservice in trying to steer people away from Smith, Bollyn, and Hufschmid.
People should be encouraged to hear Smith and the boys for themselves. I'd bet most could sort the wheat from the chaff without uber-Nannies Posiedon and MASHER monitoring the net to "help out."

Even if Poboy's vaporing means something, you still have 98% good info and only 2% of the diabolical "FBI-style mind control entrapment" stuff. I'd bet the WUFYS crowd could turn the tables on the "3 Key Guys" and bring down their whole operation.

Jefferson said the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. That's Daryl Smith's position. But old Posiedon thinks that's a bad policy. That notion is troubling as it seems to be the attitude that got us so deeply in the shitter to begin with.

I rest.

UAZ, well done! A cogent summary of Poseidon's odd workings and conclusions. I sincerely hope that others, even those who wearied of this thread long ago, will reflect seriously on your thoughtful summation.

I am glad to have gone through this exercise as we now have a written record of the "charges" against Smith, Bollyn, and Hufschmid. Or is another deluge on the way?

I initially thought very highly of Poseidon, but now believe that he and the MASHER are the ones who are here to limit info and steer discussion.

Thank you for your very helpful contributions and forgive me my attempt at an attention grabbing headline.

Peace, Fester

UAZ and Fester both prove their points, well done.

Anyone who exposes Zionists and their crimes and spreads this to others cannot be considered a Zionist agent.

One other counter-productive issue is that the constant exposure and discussion of Zionists and their crimes by people like us, can make it seem like the enemy is well organized and very powerful and almost impossible to bring down..Perhaps we should point out their weaknesses and our strengths and we should know that they can be brought down easily only if we all put our mind to it.

The Smithsonians have failed to provide a refutation of Smith's duplicity. Smith (and Hufschmid) assert that American Free Press is a Zionist-run operation, and they assert that Christopher Bollyn has exposed more about Zionist involvement in 9/11 than anyone else. Surely Smith and Hufschmid must have been aware that not more than one of these premises can be true, in which case they are proven liars. Waffle about Smith believing that all media is controlled doesn't cut it; the inconsistency remains with those two cornerstones of their thesis.

UAZ says:

Poseidon asks: "If AFP is really under Zionist control, isn't Szymanski just the sort of writer that they would be anxious to keep on board?"

The pertinent question here is why the hell did they not fire him the moment he started spewing his nonsense about the Vatican.

If someone starts out with good information and their stories become questionable, it is not inevitable that they will be fired immediately. But Szymanski was fired and Bollyn was fired, consistent with AFP finding out that their stories were unreliable. On the other hand, if AFP was Zionist-controlled, they would certainly not have allowed Bollyn to remain in place for a full five years doing a superb job of exposing Zionist involvement in 9/11, as purported by Smithsonians. I can accept that an incompetent journalist with a rather fervid imagination might cling on to his job for some time before being fired, but a Zionist-controlled publishing outlet allowing an anti-Zionist free rein to continue exposing the crime of the century for a full five years? It is absurd!

We know that the "crooks" as you call them have complete control of the mainstream media, somehow, despite how difficult it seems.

I agree. But considering they have owned the media for about a century, perhaps it is not as difficult as it appears.

We also know that the alternative media is gaining widespread attention while the mainstream media is starting to decline. Yet, according to you, they don't want to take control over the alternative media.

I'm not saying they don't want to take control. But they have been doing it the easy way, like GIYUS prompting Jews to defend Israel, and installing disinformation agents such as Tom Flocco, Mike Ruppert, Richard Grove, Greg Szymanski, Meria Heller, Morgan Reynolds, etc. Note how Smith's gang never attacks Richard Grove, who is a proven liar.

I wouldn't dispute your estimate of such paid agents numbering in the low hundreds. Jews who volunteer to defend Israel would extend well into the thousands. But Smith and Hufschmid are running a much more sophisticated operation than merely putting out a few disinformation pieces. They are agent provocateurs, gatherers of information on the truth movement, and Judas goats attempting to deceive 9/11 skeptics into believing that iamthewitness is the one true truth-telling source in order to establish a cult following that will attack Smith skeptics and provoke a schism within the movement. This is what I would mean by the "key guys" (which in any case is a term invented by the Smithsonians). Bollyn is rather more of an enigma, but he appears to have been forced to join the Hufsmith team after his cover was blown at AFP.

Now of course, if your theory is correct, there's no need to take over the alternative media, because most of its talking heads are afraid of lawsuits and therefore won't expose them anyway.

It's not just lawsuits, they also fear losing their jobs and being tarnished as an "anti-Semite" or a "conspiracy theorist".

Despite this, they employ "3 key agents" who expose the real crooks, in order to divide a fake movement that blames everything on Bush & Cheney?

They only expose, with the aid of their intelligence connections, just enough to maintain the illusion that they are anti-Zionists. It's a multi-tiered strategy fighting on several fronts. The thousands of Jewish volunteers defend Israel and promote the idea of "urban legends" and "anti-Semitic conspiracy theories". The hundreds of disinfo agents steer people towards Bush-Cheney, the Jesuits, the Pakistanis or the Saudis. The few "katsa-like" key agents divert a proportion of truth-seekers, those with an inability to detect who is genuine and who is not, then control the flow of information to the followers and induce in-fighting that benefits the criminal network.

Does it not make much more sense that they installed lots of agents in the alternative media, some of them even before 9/11, because they figured it had a lot of potential with the advancement of technology?

Not 'agents' like Mike Rivero, Mark Glenn, Jim Hoffman, Kevin Ryan, Steven Jones, David Duke, Ernst Zundel, Germar Rudolf, David Irving, Ellen Mariani, Mike Piper, William Rodriguez, etc. The difficulty in recruiting such people and then successfully getting them to pose as "anti-Zionists" would be immeasurable, and the risks the crooks would run with the possibility of such people talking would make such an operation counter-productive.

There need not be countless thousands of agents, as you imply is the position of TFC.

I don't imply it, they do. See below...

Knowing that they have total control over the media, how do you explain CNN allowing Charlie Sheen and Alex Jones to come on 3 days in a row? Yet when Bollyn gets on CNN it's the biggest hit piece ever.

They know from past experience Jones is only going to talk about the globalists, and Sheen has not done much research so will merely make a few points about WTC7. Damage limitation is carried out by means of character assassinations. Bollyn provided CNN with a superb opportunity to portray Israel's critics as racists and anti-Semites.

Your probability calculations are flawed, and seemingly deliberately so. You can't estimate a probabilistic value from a few selectively assorted facts.

It is possible to deduce that some of Hufschmid's "Crypto-Zionist agents" are likely suspects, and the idea that others on his target list are secretly agents is patently ridiculous. Nature operates on a log scale, with a rich tapestry of probabilities extending from zero to certainty. Why then, should Eric imply Germar Rudolf, Ellen Mariani, Mark Glenn, William Rodriguez, Mike Piper, Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan, Jim Hoffman, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or Mike Rivero is on a par with Tom Flocco, Morgan Reynolds or Alex Jones as likely "Zionist agents"?

What is the value of launching character assassinations on people without a scrap of evidence, people who are almost certainly innocent, when Alex Jones could be given the benefit of the doubt and probably does as much good as harm, and the likes of Hufschmid, Smith and Bollyn are certainly guilty and are poisoning the anti-Zionist truth movement?

I say the probability of Poseidon honestly believing there are almost no agents in the alternative media is of 1 out of 5,000. I'm assigning this number based only on my own perception.

You are correct. But I am being mischaracterised here. The number of key Scientology- or CIA-/FBI-trained agent provocateurs trying to establish a cult following who will become a disruptive influence is a very small proportion of the total agents employed.

Hufschmid and Smith's list of "Crypto-Zionists" includes Germar Rudolf, Ernst Zundel, Mark Glenn, David Irving, David Duke, Mike Piper, Mike Berger, Gerard Holmgren, Wayne Madsen, Kurt Nimmo, Webster Tarpley, Frank Whalen, Willis Carto, Christopher Petherick, John Stadtmiller, Dylan Avery, Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, Eustace Mullins, William Rodriguez, Mike Rivero,, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Ellen Mariani, Curt Maynard, Sam Danner, Jim Hoffman, Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan, and countless others. Hufschmid asserts that there are "thousands of Crypto-Zionist web sites" and there may be "hundreds of thousands - possibly millions -" of members in the Zionist movement, and 99% of the truth seekers are "somehow connected to the criminal network" and are "useless".

Why should anyone fall for the deceptions employed by a bunch of charlatans whose 'research' consists of malicious gossip, baseless slander, unsupported assertions, and the writings of a failed journalist with something of a Walter Mitty personality? Listen to 19:30 minutes into this audio:

http://planetquo.net/MP3/Radio_Interviews/Piper_Hit_Piece_On_Bollyn.mp3

...where Piper recalls how, years ago when American Free Press trusted Chris Bollyn, Bollyn submitted a story to AFP that was merely a rewrite of a satirical article that had been published in The Onion. Bollyn had submitted it as a legitimate new story. After Chris Petherick did some research, he discovered it was a satire. So this was one case where an article of Bollyn's really was censored.

Piper suspects that Bollyn was part of a covert operation to get him out of AFP.

The core of your thesis that the TFC trio are agents rests on a false dilemma fallacy. "Either everything Hufschmid says is true, or everyone is honest." It's impossible that everyone Hufschmid suggests are agents are actually agents; I agree with that. But that doesn't mean everyone he has accused is innocent.

It's not a false dilemma. I would estimate some 5 - 10% of those he accuses are actually agents. But for some of these, like Alex Jones or Jeff Rense, the probability of them being an agent is about 50%; for others it is more in the order of 1 in a million. A genuine truth-seeker would not try to sully the reputations of those who are almost certainly innocent with malicious gossip and evidence-free slander.

If Smith's outfit were genuine, they would realise that they would do a far better job if they stopped their constant dissing of valuable contributors in the movement, and concentrated on putting out anti-Zionist information. A mere 2 minutes 20 seconds into his December 16 show, Smith is already slamming Mike Piper and David Duke as "a couple of clowns", and at 18:00 minutes Smith suggests David Irving is a "homosexual paedophile" who has been compromised by the Zionists (a typical Smith ploy). It is likely that people avoid Smith and Hufschmid precisely because they can see through the deception and recognise that the gossiping Smith and hate-mongering Hufschmid are agent provocateurs.

Hufschmid seems to have become overly paranoid in the last months, but that doesn't take away from his previous work. I would say that he is one of the greatest critical thinkers of our time.

I would say that he is one of the greatest Judas goats of our time.

If you think Mike Piper holds back because he's afraid of lawsuits, then how do you explain Eustace Mullins, Jim Condit, Ted Pike, and many others not being afraid? You evaded this question.

It is the Smithsonians who have suggested that others hold back, and I gave an explanation which doesn't involve positing the existence of thousands of ADL handlers and thousands of individual cases of defecting to the ADL, maintaining an anti-Zionist persona, bribing or blackmailing, and preventing every single one of these agents from talking.

If your "lawsuits theory" is correct, then it should be a simple matter of getting everyone to come out full force exposing the Zionists. A fast chain reaction should occur where everyone comes out at the same time.

Maybe this would be a way forward, but who would organize it? And the crooks would still control the military and the police. If enough people came out and stormed government buildings at the same time, the crooks would hang, yielding a rather more final solution.

The fact that Smith and his gang are divisive liars who do more harm than good should make us conclude that the Smithsonians have made an error in failing to recognize their leaders for the covert agents they are. This, and the fact that they don't acknowledge that characters such as Rudolf, Rivero, Piper, Rodriguez, Mariani, Glenn, Duke, Zundel, Maynard, Hoffman, Steven Jones, etc are almost certainly not "Crypto-Zionists", really puts their intentions into question.

Daryl Smith responds to our little thread:
www.iamthewitness.com/wakeupfromyourslumber.html

If someone puts Ernst Zundel, Ellen Mariani, William Rodriguez, Germar Rudolf, Mike Rivero, etc, on a list of "Zionist agents", accuses David Irving of being a "paedophile" and spends most of their time trying to smear others, then they have to be either idiots or agents. There is no other solution. And it does not look like Smith and his associates are idiots. They should not be surprised when people point this out.

If people ignore your mantra and tide of transparently bogus claims against Smith, Bollyn, and Hufschmidt, they will discover for themselves that the "3 Key Guys" have reasons for what they charge.

People should listen and decide for themselves without having to wade through your sea of bullshit everytime the topic comes up. But that seems to be your function, so, please, continue to perform. Your claims and proofs are now on record and should embarrass you, but don't.

For interviews on the pedophilia issue, try:
John DeCamp explains how he discovered that the bizarre stories were true;
www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_DeCamp.html

Kay Griggs has first-hand information about how the Zionists look for emotionally insecure people and promote them into political and military leadership. This gives the Zionists a tremendouis influence over our government. www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmithInterviewsKayGriggs.html

For some info on the crypto-jew issue try: www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmithInterviewsRafiq2.html

There's an enormous amount of high quality interviews www.iamthewitness.com/ByPerson.htmlwhich the should be heard by the independent-minded at WUFYS. Peace

I get it now. According to Smith's theory, Ernst Zundel, Germar Rudolf, Ellen Mariani, William Rodriguez, Mike Rivero, Mark Glenn, Jim Hoffman, Curt Maynard, Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan and the rest are pedophiles and the Zionists have managed to blackmail them all. It doesn't explain how the behavior of these people would change if they weren't "Zionist-controlled". Would Rudolf have managed an even more authoritative debunking of the "Holocaust" myth than he did here, or would Jim Hoffman have carried out even better research into 9/11 than he did here?

Smith and Hufschmid should have made a career as piano removal men. At least, that would have given us a few more laughs.

I think Smith et al have to tone down their accusations, it is counter-productive. Using a shotgun blast where a fine tuned single bullet rifle is needed to do the job. They seem to blast their shotgun in all directions.

"What my net does not catch is not fish".

People should listen to Smith for themselves and NOT rely on good old Poseidon. Our chief fishmonger clearly has a stake in keeping people away from www.iamthewitness.com. If you've followed the thread,you know he's repeatedly been asked for evidence and has produced nothing of substance. He relies entirely on false statements, mischaracterizations, and wild assed assertions. I hope to do a quick compilation of his rum numbers when I've got a moment.

Posiedon might have said the interviews with DeCamp and Griggs were important. Instead he's started in with the barking and sheepherding again.

Important question: Does anyone know off hand how many people Hoover had dirt on? What do you think Posiedon? Was it maybe just "three key guys"?

Important point: One of Poseidon's central arguments against Smtih, Bollyn, and Hufschmid is that the Zionists are scrambling to play catch up on the truth movement. Poseidon believes that they were idle after they'd pulled off 911. Later, in desperation they turned up "three key guys" to take down the truth movement. WHAT A BRILLIANT AND PLAUSIBLE THEORY! It really is too bad that old Po doesn't go on the road with it as he deserves wider recognition and great fame for this honest and deeply perceptive contribution.

Posiedon thinks we just got to get rid of the "three bad apples" then we'll have a barrelful of truth. What's after that...a happy reconciliation with the "honest elements" of the mainstream media?

Leftie, listen to Smith for yourself if you haven't. What does your gut tell you when you hear him? Compare him to critics like the Thorn/Giulianis. Is it more likely that the Learned Elders went to sleep and let a truth movement develop unmolested or that they've been pulling strings at places like AFP for some time. Are CNN and Clear Channel featuring truth tellers or shills?

Smith gives specific reasons for questioning people which you can evaluate for yourself. I still use Rivero daily, but I do not understand his insistence that a plane hit the Pentagon. Smith says he's bogus. I don't know, but Smith's other info is very powerful and therefore draws screaming shills like MASHER and Poseidon who have made a career of attacking him.

I do hope others here have followed Posiedon's "logic" and "evidence." It's a perpetual tail chase, and I know some have dropped out while others stayed out from the beginning. I have found it most educational and marveled at the absurdities, the astonishing LACK of proof, and the "mist-ifying" theories
he generates.

Those able to ignore his carnival barking, might enjoy this sample of what's on offer at Smith's site:
The roots of the Ashkenazi Zionism; the first installment of a two part series. www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmithInterviewsRafiq.html. Peace. Fester.

Sorry, forgot the title for the previous post.

The Smithsonians cannot refute the evidence that their masters' peculiarly shrill attacks on dozens of genuine, hard-working anti-Zionists tell us who Smith and his gang are really working for, so they try to steer the discussion over to the matter of how many Crypto-Zionists agents there are. Consider how much ammunition Eric Hufschmid has handed to our enemies:

Hufschmid Sinks Deeper

And no, Eric: William of Ockam wasn't Jewish.

http://untrue_madhouse.blogspot.com/2006_12_17_archive.html

Andrew Mathis is a Holocaust promoter who even asserts that the "lampshade" tales are true, so I never thought I would find myself agreeing with much of what he has to say. But he is right on the mark about Eric and Daryl.

I have never said that the Zionists have only 3 agents. They must have thousands of Jewish volunteers working the internet, and hundreds of paid disinfo agents like Tom Flocco. The "key guys" - Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn - were charged with a more specialised task. They were to create a schism in the movement and control the flow of information, by presenting themselves as the one true truth-telling source and attacking all their rivals as Crypto-Zionist agents. Given that Smith is the sort of character that you either love or hate, his followers would diverge and then this faction would actively undermine the truth movement as do the other paid or volunteer agents.

It should be obvious that people like Ingrid Rimland, Ernst Zundel, Mike Piper, Mike Rivero, David Duke, etc, who have been opposing Zionism for years, are not "Crypto-Zionists". Smith's method is to hurl unsupported accusations, causing some to question the motives of genuine anti-Zionists. Mike Rivero says that he thinks a 757 hit the Pentagon. Smith's theory is that Rivero says so because he is a pedophile, and an ADL handler has succeeded in blackmailing him, and has forced him to say so. Isn't it more likely that he says so because he really does think a 757 hit the Pentagon? That's what I meant by "economy" - economy of postulates, as Mathis correctly points out about Occam's Razor.

Hufschmid says that "99% of truth-seekers" are somehow "part of the criminal network", which would mean that you could take any individual at random and there would be a 0.99 probability of them being an "agent". I would say that most are not agents, and making accusations sans evidence is counterproductive. Unfortunately for Smith and his team, their activities demonstrate that they are covert intelligence agents posing as "anti-Zionists" but working to undermine the anti-Zionist movement.

When my enemy's 'enemy' is really my enemy posing as my enemy's 'enemy', it makes no sense to support them.

If people really want to judge for themselves and can spare the time, they should listen to both Smith and other sources like the Piper Report. Then evaluate which provides genuine unbiased anti-Zionist information, and which has been tailored to suit an agenda: the Zionist agenda of divide and conquer involving sowing mistrust and dissent within the movement. For those whose time is limited, I would suggest they go straight to the other sources and do not bother with Smith.

Having followed this entire thread regarding Christopher B., Daryl S., & Eric H., I decided to register so as to comment.

Poseidon, you obviously have an axe to grind against these guys. It would seem that had you offered any proof you would have been able to save a few thousand typed words. What you did offer with these thousands of words was a clear picture of yourself: A person needing to use specious arguments, ad hominem attacks, circular logic and bold print to shout out your position. In addition, your tireless rampage is a method I've seen used at other totally unrelated websites, effectively used to wear out opposition and, coincidentally, a method straight out of the Shyster playbook.

I visit many 9/11 related sites and am confident that I can filter the messages and their intent should they be tainted with agenda. You, Sir, have an agenda and I would further suggest it is that of a Shill.

Now, be a nice Mensch and try not to muddy the waters of this "Vitally Important" message that we are all trying to expose.

Posieden Wrote

"...DBS et al ..They were to create a schism in the movement and control the flow of information, by presenting themselves as the one true truth-telling source and attacking all their rivals as Crypto-Zionist agents"

The schism if created does not matter and is not damaging, if the crimes of the Zionists are being exposed DBS et al are doing that.

If people argue between themselves, create factions and fight with each other....that removes the focus from the Zionists....but I cannot believe that Zionist agents would expose Zionists crimes day and night whilst also creating schisms within the movement. This would be too dangerous for Zionists and could backfire. If DBS et al are self promoting and they become popular and their website becomes too popular (If they are Zionist agents as you allege)....many more people would know Zionists and their crimes....this would create too many problems for Zionists....THIS IS WHY IT IS UNLIKELY THAT THEY ARE ZIONIST AGENTS.

Scisms and factions amongst people are not bad, it helps to find the truth and to reject the false....when the process becomes refined a unified group emerges based on Truth which will destroy the false. Getting bogged down with in-fghting is what the enemy would want. Zionists exploit divisions and ferment in-fighting, but those who are focused cannot be swayed by the nonsense, they have their eye on exposing the criminals, the criminals are the Zionists and those who help them to cover up their crimes are their agents. Those who expose Zionists and their agents are on the Truth.

I cannot prove that honest abe - Abraham? - is one of Smith's shills. But if he is not, only someone with poor comprehension skills could have followed the thread and failed to recognise the absurdity of a position which simultaneously holds that AFP was Zionist-controlled AND allowed Chris Bollyn to establish himself as the finest Zionist exposer bar none.

Smith's team cannot offer any evidence or logical argument in defense of their position, and so they must rely on assertions that the evidence against Smith is "specious", in the knowledge that some readers will not have time to review the thread in order to check out that claim.

The Smithsonians have painted themselves into a corner. As soon as American Free Press (and many others) fingered Christopher Bollyn as a covert intel operative posing as a "journalist", the Judas goats were left with no option but to assert that AFP was "under Zionist control". To make this theory work, they must propose that Chris Petherick, Willis Carto, Mike Piper, Vince Ryan, James Tucker - and possibly Mark Lane, see later - conveniently happened to be either homosexuals, pedophiles or suffering from "emotional problems", so that ADL handlers could successfully blackmail them. Hence, this could explain why Bollyn was fired, and Piper supposedly "lied" about him when he said Bollyn was receiving money from overseas, being visited by folk with untraceable license plates, enjoying a tax-free status, and had tried to submit a slightly rewritten satirical story from The Onion to AFP as "his own work".

Problem is, once you propose that AFP was Zionist-controlled, the Judas goats' claim about Bollyn being the all-time finest exposer of Zionism is blown clean out of the water. One solution for the Smithsonians would be to propose that AFP was under anti-Zionist control until the summer of 2006, and then the Zionists took over, somehow managing to start blackmailing Piper, Petherick, Carto, Ryan, Tucker, etc, all at the same time. Szymanski could have been sacked just before the Zionists took over, then Bollyn just after the change of ownership.

That doesn't explain why Szymanski wasn't given his job back as soon as the Zionists took over. Most importantly, it does not explain why the Zionists waited for a full five years after carrying out the crime of the century, allowing Bollyn to "expose" Israel's involvement in 9/11, and then playing catch-up in the summer of 2006 long after the horse had already bolted.

Then we have the Judas goats' claim that Eustace Mullins wasn't manipulated and entrapped by Smith on December 16 when he said that Mark Lane was running The Spotlight and Willis Carto was just a "frontman". For this claim to work, they must propose that Mullins was got at between December 16 and January 8, and compelled to present an alternative version on Piper's January 8 show, in which Mullins did in fact agree with Piper that Smith had perfected FBI-style entrapment techniques as one of his operations.

Then we have the fact that Mark Lane was certainly not a Zionist in 1985 when he successfully reversed a judgement that had gone against Liberty Lobby. So the Smithsonians must propose that Lane was anti-Zionist in 1985, then he became a Zionist (in order for Mullins' claim on Smith's December 16 show to be correct), then he defected to anti-Zionism so that Bollyn could spend 5 years exposing Zionism, and then Lane was forced to switch sides a third time after being blackmailed again along with Piper, Carto, Petherick, Ryan, Tucker, Mike Blair, etc, in the summer of 2006. Their 'evidence' of Lane being a Zionist consists of him being photographed with Jane Fonda. Don't you just love it when a Zionist's conspiracy theory needs so many ad hoc postulates to patch it up that if William of Ockham had been Jewish, he would have kept his mouth shut?

And all that's not even taking account of Eric
Hufschmid's theory that 99% of truth-seekers are somehow "part of the criminal network", including Ellen Mariani, William Rodriguez, Mark Glenn, Professor Steven E Jones, Jim Hoffman, Mike Rivero, David Duke, Ingrid Rimland, Ernst Zundel, Germar Rudolf, Curt Maynard, Mike Piper, Kevin Ryan, David Irving, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad et al. Why don't Smith and Bollyn condemn Hufschmid's "paranoia" and crackpot Apollo theories?

Leftfield's theory depends on how much DBS and his associates have really done to expose Zionist crimes, and how much of it is disinformation and merely a rehashing of others' work.

Consider how much Zionist exposing is achieved by Mike Rivero's WRH, or Jim Hoffman's 9/11 site, or Mike Piper's books such as The Judas Goats, The New Jerusalem, The High Priests of War, and Final Judgement. Consider how many people they have labelled as "Crypto-Zionist agents". Then carry out the same exercise for DBS/EH/CB with their "99% of truth-seekers are criminal agents" theory. DBS is very hot on Ben Freedman, but Piper says he was not always trustworthy and played both sides of the field.

Rivero, Hoffman and Piper are all Crypto-Zionists according to Smith's team. I would say that Smith / Hufschmid / Bollyn are more likely shills because they slam 99% of truth-seekers as criminal agents.

Abe & Leftie, thanks for weighing in. It is clear that the fishwife is here to smear Smith, Bollyn, & Hufschmidt. He's a real johnny-on-the-spot and ready to wear people out at any hour. A real pro and I am again glad to have gotten his barking and mud flinging on the record.
He's sounding a tad hysterical. This could go higher and deeper still.

Po, did it ever occur to you that AFP ditched Bollyn because he was becoming too well known? The obvious reason is that they no longer wanted to give him their platform (and Bollyn addresses what a small and underdeveloped platform it was). First, you drive him out/fire him. Next, you lie about the reasons and smear him. Then you unleash the barking fishwife types to ridicule/praise his work but mostly to smear him. Just gotta keep the yammering up long enough until reasonable people drop the topic and flee.

You're too bright not to have thought of this; it's just that your opinion of us is low enough that you believe we'll swallow your garbage. And that's a revealing characteristic.

On a practical note, Jim Condit has a precinct level strategy for reclaiming control of local government - the first step in reclaiming control at higher levels.

www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Jim-Condit-24Aug2006.html

I cannot trust anyone who attack Rivero, Glenn and Piper, because these men have done so much to awaken people about Zionism - so I think Poseidon and Masher must have a valid argument, and they cannot possibly be Zionist shills.

Let's move on to better things and let this argument fester for awhile.

Wraither & Justice, I was unaware that some here considered Poseidon and MASHER to be obvious shills. Quasimodo hinted a "ponerology" of some sort, but that was a little too deep for Uncle Fester.

I never cared much for MASHER's contributions as they reeked with innuendo and were noticeably lacking in beef. Poseidon was a different story. I very much liked his 911 postings and was distributing one as a handout.

IF one of the WUFYS heavyweights had stepped in early and said that Po-MASHER were know provacateurs, I might have desisted and taken care of other business. Still, I think the stomach pumpings produced some gorgeous and memorable items.

At this point, I believe that the basket of RED HERRINGS is now bare. I will patronize the Fishwife & Son no more.

UAV says:

The "contradiction" you speak of is non-existent. TFC say AFP never published much good material other than Bollyn's work. Even AFP acknowledged that Bollyn was their "star reporter".

You can resolve the contradiction, but it means throwing out one of the claims. Up until now, the Smithsonians had not admitted which of their premises was a lie. Now they choose to keep "Bollyn was a star reporter and Zionist exposer", which means they must jettison the claim about AFP being "under Zionist control". Or maybe the Zionists took over in 2006, which means that they carried out a multi-trillion-dollar crime of the century, but waited five years to play catch up after the horse had bolted.

Also, according to AFP, Bollyn wasn't fired because his "stories were unreliable" as you say,

False. Chris Petherick's email to Chris Bollyn ended thus:

When we get a story from one of our trusted reporters, we do not need to check every quote or fact. Our reporters would not dream of submitting a false story. The same cannot be said for you, however. By accusing AFP of being under the control of some other agency, you lie. There is an ancient Roman legal maxim: Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus, meaning that if a witness lies about one thing, his testimony may be disregarded for all he says. Thus, we can no longer print anything you submit without checking it, and this we will not do. For the reasons above, please do not bother to submit anything else to this newspaper. In addition, we will no longer be able to pay your salary. This is effective immediately.

And refer to the audio of the "Piper hit piece on Bollyn", which came from his March 8, 2007 Piper Report. At 19:30 minutes, Piper recalls how, years ago, Bollyn submitted a rewrite of a satirical article in The Onion to AFP as a legitimate new story. Chris Petherick noticed it in time to stop it going into print.

but because he failed to "defend the integrity of AFP" from Hufschmid's accusations on Piper's show.

This was another reason given in Petherick's email. Since 2000 when he first joined Liberty Lobby, Bollyn was paid about $266,000 plus nearly $60,000 in expenses, according to Piper.

You say it is absurd that AFP would allow Bollyn to expose so much. I say it is much more absurd that Zionist agents would expose the crime of the century, and all other crimes comitted by the same group of crooks they are working for, ten times more thoroughly, and in much less time, than AFP.

But what if the "exposing" is public domain information, mixed with disinformation, presented and targeted at "conspiracy buffs" such that they will lap it up?

Smith did "attack" Richard Andrew Grove and Meria Heller back when Grove "blew the whistle".

D'you know which of Smith's shows that was on?

So those you mention are the only ones you think are agents? Do you realize that you're only identifying the ones whose disinfo is obvious? Why would they not install more sophisticated disinfo agents, like, say, the textbook Zionist denier, Alex Jones?

Or, like Daryl Bradford Smith, Eric Hufschmid, and Chris Bollyn.

You have all those obvious fakes that you listed (many of whom originally seemed honest), yet the only sophisticated fakes are Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn? That makes no sense. There are different types of agents; not all are as obvious as Tom Flocco or Morgan Reynolds.

You overestimate the Zionists. They're only human, albeit without even a glimmer of a conscience. They couldn't even stop Flight 93 from being shot down. They couldn't stop the molten iron from pouring out of WTC2. They couldn't get enough patsies to kill to match the "number of hijackers", and had to resort to just having stolen passports for half of them. It took them about 3 years before they could get the BTS database to show the AA flights as "scheduled". They couldn't get Arabic names on the autopsy or the flight manifest. They couldn't fake decent forgeries for the "Osama confession", the airports and the Pentagon attack. They couldn't cover up reports of molten steel. They couldn't stop Bush saying he saw the "first plane" or about the "explosives" in the Towers, or Rumsfeld talking about "the missile" hitting the Pentagon, or Silverstein talking about "pull(ing) it".

And you didn't respond to the question of what would be the point of creating in-fighting when the movement blames Bush & Cheney. Impeaching those puppets would do nothing.

It would be a good start. One of Smith's deceptions involves suggesting that Dubya is a complete moron. He may not be the mastermind, but he is more cunning than Smith makes out.

Where did they say that Mullins, Rodriguez, Ahmadinejad, Mariani, Jones, and Ryan are agents? They didn't.

See my comment above, "Smith's duplicity", where I provided links for almost all the names. Smith names the Iranians in his December 16 broadcast (13:00 minutes): "Why would the Iranians select David Duke as a participant in such a conference, unless they themselves are part of a lie?" As for Mullins, after he exposed Smith's manipulations on December 16, Smith has to say that Mullins has been got at and is working for the other side (AFP).

However, I also have to say that it would make sense for them to try to compromise Hufschmid, Smith, and especially Bollyn.

Have you seen Robert Stockmann's theory here:

http://crashrecovery.org/freedman/#note

What happened? Daryl Bradford Smith was doing some very good work with the French Connection at GCNLive, until he came up with some audio material which was red-flagged by the ADL. Daryl Bradford Smith suddenly had access to a genuine mp3 audio file by Benjamin Freedman, which before had been impossible to find on the Internet. (I have searched for this audio file to, but wasn't able to locate that on the internet for a long time) So suddenly, overnight, Daryl Bradford Smith gets promoted to THE guy who can give people access to the REAL deal and knowledge of Zionist history.

Another theory is that Smith is a pedophile and was given the ultimatum: Work for us and you'll be protected. Otherwise, you'll go to jail as a pedophile.

Have you read Alexander Baron's accusations against David Irving? If those accusations are true, it means Irving is a Zionist puppet, as I suspect he is. He was probably given the choice to go to jail as a pedophile or as a "Holocaust denier". How do you explain him saying "millions of Jews died, there's no question about it"?

I suggest he was threatened that if he didn't cooperate he could get 10 years for "Holocaust denial". If he did as they said, it would be one or two years at most.

You evaded the question again. Piper doesn't expose Zionism as thoroughly as TFC and their guests; ergo, he holds back.

I don't accept that TFC expose any more than Piper. Piper recently announced he had an article debunking the myths that Hitler was "part-Jewish" and secretly "working for the Zionists". Those myths are the sort of deliberate disinfo that TFC promotes. But the problem with TFC is that it's not primarily a source of information. It's tarnished and loaded with gossip, hearsay, rumors and innuendoes.

So why does he hold back? According to you, because he's afraid of lawsuits. But why is he afraid when the guests on TFC are not afraid?

Do you have any examples?

I acknowledge that most of those are almost certainly not "Crypto-Zionists", and I acknowledge that many of those they have accused are most likely not agents.

Good. Wouldn't TFC gain credibility if they were to publish a statement apologising to Rivero, Mariani, Rodriguez, Zundel, Rimland, Glenn, etc, for any false accusations, but they were just trying to point out that there is a very small likelihood that just about anyone could be an agent?

Now why don't you acknowledge their outstanding work in exposing Zionism?

They probably have exposed some crimes, but see above re hearsay. I don't believe their information is reliable, it comes with too many strings attached, and its value has been hyped up. Most sources are better and more reliable.

Since when does Jim Hoffman expose Zionism? He has done a great job on the how's of 9/11, but he will never state the who's or the why's. He even condemns "anti-Semites" and "Holocaust deniers".

The 9/11 material is useful to Zionist exposers. Any condemnation of "anti-Semites" could just mean that he hasn't looked into that part of the mass media brainwashing.

TFC having trouble getting guests is not because of a shortage of funds, but because guests eventually cotton on to Smith's manipulations (e.g. Mullins), and TFC is running out of people.

Fester suggests that AFP got rid of Bollyn because he was too well-known. But Bollyn was a relative unknown compared to Piper, a well-known author. Only 9/11 "conspiracy buffs" would have been aware of Bollyn. I would have thought having a famous person in the team would be an asset, not a liability.

We should let Fester have the last word:

Fester's inconsistency principle:
"Why don’t you come out and tell us that Eustace Mullins is full of shit.
Poseidon's claim that Mullins is a dupe is fuckin GARBAGE.
I don't have time to monitor multiple net radio shows and had no idea that Mullins was a bare assed liar.
However, I won't accept any of his testimony as evidence against DBS. His "Smith tried to get me to move to France" statement and the rest can go in the shitter with him.
Mullin's has ZERO credibility."

Festerian 'fact-based' deductions:
"This other stuff is really just CAT PISS...
You seem to fixate on a whole lot of chickenshit and just keep chucking it hoping it'll stick or wear people out.
Just a WHOLE lot of hot air and bullshit which always indicates a dung heap.
That one was HORSESHIT as will be confirmed by an indpendent listen to the file.
Not the load of pissant bleatings that have so far surfaced.
Whence that fetid fecal fragrance of Ziopunditry as he sums up and ladles for the helpless goyim?"

Po, why respond to UAZ's able and accurate criticisms of your "logic" by titling it Festerian. Once again you are found completely lacking so you tack on a few of my ill-tempered remarks and try to smear all criticimss of your faulty reasoning and deceptions as "foul-mouthed" and insubstantial.

You tried this a while back, didn't you. That's ok, I understand, it's real hard being under the microscope and having sharp-witted people focus on your dubious claims.

I hope you close up shop. Others are chiming in and I think your reputation is going to suffer. Suit yourself.

PS - if you need more "facts," let me know and I'll cuss for ya. You can go right ahead and use them against. I won't complain; I'm here to help.

When will this lousy movie ever end ?

OH, NO ! NOT ANOTHER SEQUEL !

I said - "Now you must be that mermaid...
who took Ol' Neptune for a ride !"
"and she smiled at me so sadly... SADLY
you know my joyprong straightway died !"

...And so it was...that later and later and later...
As Uncle Fester trolled his tale,
...that her face, at first just ghostly -
turned a whiter...shade of pale.

Quas, I guess you gotta be cruel to be kind in this business. You let us greenhorn wade into the Scylla and Charybdis straits of da Po-MASHER with only the most cryptic of warnings.

I thought old Poseidon was way up in da Pantheon in these parts. Nobody let on that he was just one of them dime a dozen (millions X millions X millions, of course) pound o' flesh type chihuahuas out there on the net trying to gum the public to death day after bloddy day. WTF?

I know Q and a few others have vouched for his "quality," but I find it hard to believe that who has watched this performance fails to notice the combination of tenacity and avoidance of the facts. I had suspicions after the first response, but goodness, he's absolutely naked. His whole game is REPETITION & OBFUSCATION. Shit, that's the manure I was raised on. I know EXACTLY where that M.O emmanates from.

More my tale of a troll that a trolled tale but I ain't gonna quibble. Now about that CD....

UAZ, thanks for the critique. It seems obvious to me that good ol' Poseidon was too bright for so many inconsistencies and dodgy conclusions.

His investment of major time in a smear campaign against Smith, Bollyn, and Hufschmid is pure shyter disinfo as he accuses his enemies of that which he is guilty of: "dividing the truth movement" and being disinfo.

UAZ says:

Or why not the simplest explanation? That AFP employed Bollyn to boost their credibility as an honest anti-Zionist publication.

This beggars belief. The Zionists would not deliberately choose to let the movement's "finest reporter bar none" continue to expose their crimes for a full five years, merely to create an illusion that AFP was not Zionist-controlled when it was. It is similar to my proposal that iamthewitness is really Zionist-controlled, but has been exposing some Zionist crimes to boost their credibility as an honest anti-Zionist outlet. However, I do not maintain that iamthewitness has exposed more than everyone else ... which is why my theory works and Smith's fails. Smith's task also involves attempts to divert attention to Israel, in order to protect Bush and Cheney (see below).

Petherick is referring to the Sam Danner hoax.

That's one story that he would have had in mind, but he probably had his doubts over the arrest story, the claim of a conspiracy involving Homeland Security, Piper, Makufka and the Hoffman Estates police, the seismic spikes, the misquoting of Peter Tully and Mark Loizeaux regarding molten steel, the 2000 "death threat" from Alex Kantoravich, plus the ensuing lack of trust from Bollyn's association with buffoons who maintained that AFP was "Zionist-controlled".

As debus correctly pointed out, the terrible trio's M.O. is to create mistrust of everyone else, then, when you have psychologically primed the reader, reduce that anxiety by bringing in the soothing reassurance that they can trust Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn. Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn will do your thinking for you!

I have always found it more rewarding to do my own thinking, rather than swallow someone else's pre-packaged belief system. But how can you have an argument with a cult follower? To them, logic is a stranger.

It wasn't Bollyn's fault that Danner's story was unreliable.

It's just rather telling that it was Bollyn and Hufschmid who were pushing this story, and Eric was even trying to suggest the voicemails had been faked and Sam had been got at, long after everyone else had twigged that it was a hoax.

I don't know about the The Onion thing. We only have Piper's word on this.

Yes, it would be nice to have some corroboration, but I view Piper as a more reliable witness than Bollyn.

http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_7June2006.html

Thanks, I'll have a listen sometime. Grove's job was to create red herrings and divert attention from Israel; Heller provided Israel's shills with airtime.

You're evading the issue. Why would they not install more sophisticated disinfo agents, other than TFC? You only identify the obvious agents, and pretend there are no sophisticated disinfo operations other than TFC.

It is absurd to suggest Ernst Zundel or Germar Rudolf are Zionist agents. Zundel was in jail for over 4 years before even getting a trial, and he was firebombed for his pains. Rudolf was on the run for years, fleeing from country to country. But iamthewitness don't limit themselves to just one or two suspects. Stupidity multiplied 144-fold is gross stupidity.

However, the Zionists' tactics include infiltrating internet blogs and forums, posing as "anti-Zionists" whilst promoting the iamthe witness site. Here at WUFYS, for example, click on "Fester" and then "track" to view his posts, and the record shows that he started shamelessly promoting iamthewitness on Feb 25, promoting Bollyn on Feb 26, and then attempting to sell iamthewitness again on Feb 27. Another of his incarnations, lotus, peaked at about mid-March and seems to have been quietly "retired". ProudJewishZionist presented as an overt pro-Zionist operative.

But don't you agree that infiltrating forums and posing as 'anti-Zionists' would be a likely M.O. of the Zionists?

Better to overestimate them than to underestimate them like you are doing here.

Even if I have underestimated them, there is no advantage in labelling people as agents on the flimsiest of 'evidence', such as Mark Lane was once photographed with Jane Fonda, and William Rodriguez was once photographed receiving a "suspicious" handshake. Why become paranoid over people who are almost certainly not agents? Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn are far more likely agents than most of their 'suspects'.

Do you really think Rumsfeld and especially Silverstein would "slip" in such an explicit manner? Those quotes are well-planned, deliberate deceptions. Bush's "first plane" could be explained as him simply being an idiot, but not the other two.

I agree that rather too much has been read into those quotes. I have never concentrated on them too much, since they are not enough for a conviction. But on balance, the "pull it" quote wouldn't have been good for Silverstein.

And it's interesting that the Smithsonians are always promoting the view that Bush is simply an idiot who couldn't even "wipe his own fanny", as Smith puts it.

Some cannot accept the idea that Bollyn, Hufschmid and Smith are Zionist agents, because they have "done too much to expose Zionism". However, the concept of gatekeepers who shift attention from Israel over to the Bush administration is generally accepted by truth-seekers. An early example was Jared Israel's Emperor's Clothes site, which debunked the official 9/11 story and detailed incriminating evidence against Bush, Cheney and Myers. Gerard Holmgren produced an excellent article debunking the official story but suggested the Bush regime was to blame, and Alex Jones fights the Orwellian police state and exposes the crimes of the "globalists". All three tend to avoid mention of Israel, or say they do not think there is evidence against Israel. This has raised question marks over their sincerity, but does not prove that they are secretly working for Israel. A better explanation is that they are not secretly receiving payments, but are genuine anti-war, pro-liberty activists who share the view that their approach of not broaching the subject of Israel provides the best prospects for their career.

Zionists could include the Israeli state, the Mossad, the CIA, the Bush regime, the Rothschilds, organised World Jewry, all of whom are not necessarily one big happy family. For example, when Pan Am 103 exploded in 1988 in the skies over Lockerbie, the bombing is believed by some to have been the work of the Mossad, in order to eliminate CIA operatives who stumbled upon a Mossad drug running operation. If it is not too unreasonable to imagine that Israel might sponsor agents to shift the blame on to Bush, surely the CIA or Bush regime would correspondingly try to divert attention to Israel. Bollyn, Hufschmid and Smith expose some of Israel's crimes, in order to present themselves as "genuine anti-Zionists". At the same time, they suggest that Bush is merely a harmless moron, when both the Bush regime and Israel are complicit. The iamthewitness team's intelligence agency contacts would provide them with relatively harmless information to 'reveal'. A proportion of disinformation would be thrown in to tarnish the credibility of the sheep who fell for the Judas goats' deceptions and replicated the claims. In any case, many of Smith's disclosures relate to old material such as Jewish involvement in the Bolshevik Revolution, which does not threaten contemporary criminals.

Smith's 'talent' is his ability to project an air of apparent 'sincerity', and to manipulate his guests into indulging in some ad-lib malicious gossip about individuals whom Smith is trying to label as "Crypto-Zionists". The bad news is that some decent people have heard his shows and fallen for his spiel. The good news is that Smith is a spent force. Guests soon realise how they have been manipulated and entrapped - e.g. Eustace Mullins - and decide they will have nothing more to do with Smith. So when he runs out of people, the only remaining guests on his show will be Hufschmid, Bollyn, and other Zionist agents.

I think some of the errors regarding the patsies is also deliberate deception. How could they have let half of the patsies alive after 9/11? It makes no sense.

They couldn't get enough patsies, and had to rely on stolen passports for the remainder. That is the more economical explanation.

They didn't really accuse any of those of being agents, though they may have suggested the possibility.

Why bother to even suggest it when the evidence is so flimsy that not even Smith's team dare "really accuse" them? Unless, of course, Smith's gang are agents.

I agree with Smith's comments on the Iranians. Who in his right mind would invite David Duke to such a conference? It was obvious from the start that the world media would exploit his KKK past to smear the entire conference. Someone there wasn't thinking straight, or there's something more sinister going on beyond mere incompetence.

The conference was supposed to be about establishing whether the "holocaust" happened, and they needed people who were knowledgeable about Zionist deceptions and crimes. Why should the participants worry too much about how the Zionist media would report the event? The Zionists would have tried to smear the event anyway, and Duke's participation helped to give it more publicity. It is generally accepted that Duke put up a good showing when being interviewed by Wolf Blitzer. There is no need to propose a conspiracy theory.

Another theory is that Smith is a pedophile and was given the ultimatum: Work for us and you'll be protected. Otherwise, you'll go to jail as a pedophile.

Where does that theory come from? Wasn't it ConspiracyCentral that created this rumor that Smith was a pedophile? Are you taking those idiots at ConCen seriously?

I don't know who started it. But Smith proposed that David Irving was a pedophile. Irving's actions can easily be explained as an elderly man threatened with ten years' jail unless he backed down, in which case he would serve one to two years maximum. I considered Smith a more likely pedophile than Irving, since it would at least explain Smith's cointelpro actions and the move to France.

I don't know how the Freedman speech came into his hands, but he had good connections from early on, hence his numerous high-profile guests. IIRC, he said he got a lot of these contacts from his friend Michel Chussodovsky of GlobalResearch.ca.

There are some interesting features of the Freedman audio. The shorter 27:36 minutes Part I undergoes marked changes in quality, going from muffled just before 7:00 to showing an improved treble response at about 7:30, similar to a well-played cassette tape with the alignment of the tape with the head varying as the tape runs. The short version has been filtered, cutting out the mains hum and the audible stylus crackles present in the long version. Did Smith's team get a cassette version to digitise? Also, there is a whistling interference, similar to an adjacent AM radio station. The whistling is sometimes heard on Smith's broadcasts. At times, it is slightly different and sounds like he has birds in his farmhouse.

That person you quoted, Robert M. Stockmann, promotes Phelps' Jesuits/Vatican nonsense and calls Flocco, Phelps, Szymanski, and the rest of Jesuit shills genuine truth seekers. That would mean that we should take anything this person says with a huge grain of salt.

Yes, but Eric Hufschmid says the Apollo landings were "faked", and that Germar Rudolf and Ernst Zundel are Zionist agents. So it would be silly to take his word on anything.

I would like to read this article from Piper that you cite [on Hitler not being Jewish and not secretly working for the Zionists]. Is it only in the print edition of AFP?

AFP do not seem to have published it; Piper said on his April 17 show that he had just received the article a few days ago, and might read it out at a future date. It is the article by Martin Kerr entitled "The Myth of Hitler's 'Jewish Grandfather'"; originally published in spring 1982. This was in a National Socialist journal (scroll nearly down to bottom of this page where it is mentioned), so some would question their motives. However, I would certainly not trust claims about Hitler that originated from a Jewish source. Piper says it is a "scholarly" article, and that the ideas that Hitler was part Jewish, secretly worked for the Zionists, burnt down the Reichstag, and introduced gun control, are all myths. To some extent, our assessment of the "quality" of someone else's work will depend on whether we agree with their conclusions.

Good. Wouldn't TFC gain credibility if they were to publish a statement apologising to Rivero, Mariani, Rodriguez, Zundel, Rimland, Glenn, etc, for any false accusations, but they were just trying to point out that there is a very small likelihood that just about anyone could be an agent?

Yes, I agree with that, though they have not accused Rodriguez and Mariani.

They name William Rodriguez here, implying that he is one of the Zionists' "useful idiots", an unwitting Crypto-Zionist agent. And here, Bollyn accuses Rodriguez of helping to cover up Israel's role. And Smith / Hufschmid's suggestion is that: "It is possible that James Randi or his associates contacted William Rodriguez and convinced Rodriguez to remain quiet about the Israeli connection to 9/11."

On this page, TFC suggest that Ellen Mariani is at best a "fool", at worst a "Zionist agent": "Is Ellen Mariani a Zionist agent? What about Sofia? Perhaps time will
tell."

Which sources?

I would suggest truth seekers go to as many sources as they can. Use Google. Anyone recommending a one stop source for information has to be seen as suspect, blatantly attempting to manipulate and control the flow of information.

You won't find such top-quality interviews anywhere else.

Most of the interviews are tainted with Smith's attempts to induce guests into making negative comments about people whom they have limited knowledge of. I'd say the interviews are deliberately misleading and low-quality.

Audio interviews are always more powerful than long written articles that the newcomer won't bother reading.

So Smith's operation is designed to target the newcomer? It wouldn't surprise me if his followers were mainly newcomers. It is unlikely that seasoned investigators would be taken in by his deceptions.

Here's what you said on 2007-03-04:

The author of the bluwiki "debunking" of DBS is an infamous Zionist propagandist and "Holocaust" promoter, so of course he will call Smith a liar. Although I believe some of Hufschmid and Bollyn's actions have been very suspicious and they were caught lying, e.g. about AFP "censoring" Bollyn's articles, there remains a considerable volume of good anti-Zionist information on the DBS site and it should not be written off. (Daryl just does the talking; Eric Hufschmid and Christopher Bollyn write the articles.) None of us can be 100% right, but if people follow Bollyn's work, they will at least be looking in the right direction.

Yet in this thread you continuosly slam TFC and Bollyn as if they have not produced anything of value. What made you change your mind between March 4 and this thread, from Bollyn's work being great to being worthless?

I'd had my suspicions over Bollyn and TFC since last summer. Although I had voiced these suspicions on here, my main concern was what was best for the movement. I did not consider it worthwhile to start arguments about who is an "agent", and had concluded it would be better to let people promote TFC rather than piping up and saying I don't trust them.

Then Suzette (the Whippette) asked about my hufschmid.htm file at the nolajbs forum on 30 March give or take a day, and Fester submitted this blog entry on April 6. In the interests of harmony, I still kept quiet until April 9, the day after iamthewitness linked to my site and said it was "Crypto-Zionist". If I was an agent provocateur, surely I would have been posting numerous blog entries about TFC and Bollyn, and trying to stir up as much trouble as possible. Fester did it!

Then I started reviewing Smith's shows and the claims of TFC, and I found it was even worse than I had imagined. Smith's manipulations on the guests such as Mullins, and his constant slander of numerous decent, plucky anti-Zionists were well apparent, and I found that TFC named even more people as "Zionist agents" or "useful fools" than I had been aware of.

I had another look at Andrew E Mathis' debunking of Daryl Smith and Ben Freedman, and concluded that I share his views about Smith and Hufschmid, even though I would strongly disagree with his version of WWII. It should be worth checking out some of his points to see how many are valid. Although Mathis is a "holocaust" promoter, he has said that he has been critical of Israel and organized Jewry (but I haven't seen that), because it doesn't represent him. That would depend on whether he works for them. If he is not being paid as a holohoaxer, it would appear to be some kind of brainwashing or mind control.

There's no way he [Jim Hoffman] doesn't know that Israel and Zionists are involved in 9/11. Jim Hoffman is an agent trying to get to a leadership position of the 9/11 research community. He's a new Jim Fetzer, and a more effective one. You wouldn't've said that Fetzer was a disinfo agent before he started supporting the obvious disinfo of Wood/Reynolds, would you? He was there to destroy the image of 9/11 researchers and discredit Professor Jones. Now Hoffman has taken Fetzer's place in a more sophisticated operation intended to deflect any and all blame away from Zionists and Israel.

We shall have to see if any evidence comes out against Hoffman. There is enough valuable information in his work that it is not worthwhile at this stage to name him as an agent and declare all his work to be useless. But that is what you would expect TFC to say if they are agents trying to control the flow of information, as I believe. And is there any other source quite like TFC, that claims it is the one true source of truth and all others are suspect?

Rather than "Smith's manipulations", I think it's Hufschmid's paranoia. They accuse too many people with minimal evidence and expect their guests to agree with them. As a result of this, almost all their guests have gotten annoyed.

I'd say it's "seeing through Smith's deceptions and manipulations" rather than being "annoyed". But if Eric's paranoia is leading to these problems, why doesn't Smith fire him and get another webmaster? Maybe the audio sessions would then contain a better ratio of information to gossip.

We are starting to argue in circles now. To recapitulate, if we are to accept Poseidon's thesis that the TFC trio are "3 key Zionist agents", we have to believe an array of absurdities, some of which are:

1) that the Zionists would never have predicted that a 9/11 truth movement would arise in case something went seriously wrong with the operation, or as a consequence of general skepticism, or of their numerous mess ups (obvious WTC7 demolition captured on video in daylight, etc, etc);

This is a non sequitur. It would follow if I had proposed that the Zionists had no disinfo agents at all. But they have hundreds to thousands of paid or volunteer short-term agents, along with the small team of sophisticated agents.

2) that the Zionists are willing to completely expose themselves full force in an extremely complex and sophisticated operation, yet they only have a few other agents at their disposal whose disinfo operations are pathetic at best;

This doesn't follow, as I have not argued this either. However, TFC's position is even worse than that: The Zionists had control of AFP, yet they were willing to let themselves be totally exposed by Chris Bollyn for 5 years in order to create an illusion that AFP was not Zionist-controlled when it was.

3) that this TFC disinfo operation's task is to divide and create fights within a fake movement that blames the wrong villains, using extremely advanced tactics like pointing out the very fact itself that the movement is fake and that most people in this fake movement are liars;

This does not represent my position. The unsophisticated disinfo agents create red herrings, with those sponsored by Israel shifting blame to Bush and Cheney, and those sponsored by the Bush regime diverting attention to Israel. TFC's sophisticated agents are happy to expose some of the Israel-sponsored agents in order to present themselves as 'genuine' anti-Zionist truth seekers. TFC aims to sow mistrust and anxiety amongst those in the truth movement who have identified the real villains, and then offer salvation by claiming to be the sole source of truth. TFC is deliberately targeted at those who know that Israel was involved, not those who only see Bush and Cheney. (In any case, the latter group are not fakes, see below). Once the targets are hooked, TFC Judas goats can control the flow of information to their followers. Then, arguments between Smithsonians and Smith skeptics take up time which could be better employed fighting the Zionists. But corruption exists both inside and outside the movement, so exposing fake anti-Zionists is equivalent to the actions of a police force, and fighting the Zionists is equivalent to the actions of an army. Both are necessary.

4) that this fake movement is a product of chance, that Zionists had nothing or little to do with its creation or shaping;

Zionists had already managed to establish the taboos such as anti-Semitism, so they had quite a bit to do with establishing people like Alex Jones or Gerard Holmgren. But those who expose Bush / Cheney crimes and those who expose Israel's crimes are both acting for good. Both the Bush regime and Israel are guilty. So someone who points out Bush's crimes is not necessarily a fake.

5) that the reason this fake movement exists is because most of its talking heads are afraid to expose the real criminals due to established laws and taboos, while the ones that do are systematically marginalized and ignored;

This is a more accurate description, but it is not absurd. And it's not a "fake" movement.

6) that the few talking heads who do expose Zionist involvement, but in a watered-down fashion, are also afraid, but less than the others; and that they are so naive that they don't wonder why the others don't expose Zionist involvement at all;

Maybe they have also arrived at my conclusion: The existing taboos and institutions keep the others in check, and no conspiracy is required. If William of Ockham had been a Zionist-sponsored agent provocateur, he would have kept his mouth shut!

The thesis is as absurd as absurdity can get.

That, indeed, would be an accurate assessment of the position of TFC, which holds that 99% of truth seekers are "part of the criminal network", and Ernst Zundel and Germar Rudolf are two of a very long list of Crypto-Zionist agents, none of whom have ever defected and blown the whistle. Somehow, the Zionists have succeeded in blackmailing or bribing every last one of these agents for years on end, when the attempt to blackmail Clinton over Monica Lewinsky didn't work. And somehow, these agents have done such a good job posing as "anti-Zionists" that no one has ever been able to tell the difference, except for the highly talented folk at TFC.

Curt Maynard is working on another article on DBS. Smith has almost exceeded his shelf-life, and as soon as the Zionists decide he has outlived his usefulness, they will discard him like a sack of garbage. Smith's best bet is to make a run for it before it's too late. He wouldn't be welcome in Israel, after calling for it to be carpet bombed until the crater was so deep it would take an explorer team weeks to get to the bottom. Maybe Brazil would do?

Although Fester comes up with a good turn of phrase now and again, his criticism and claims of "faulty" reasoning by opponents of his absurdities are equivalent to a fat guy calling a thin person "fat". For that reason, being attacked by Fester is similar to being savaged by a dead sheep.

Einstein's memorable quotes included, "If only I had known, I should have become a watchmaker." Fester will forever be associated with phrases about "dung heaps" and the like. There is an explanation: Smith lives on a farmhouse. Given the comical nature of Smith's assertions, if I may be so bold, I would like to suggest a name for the Smith residence: "The Funny Farm".

Posiedon, glad you appreciate a good turn of phrase, I'll see if I can keep you smiling.

Your usual mind-numbing basketful of red herrings, but I couldn't resist a quick response to your opening absurdities:

UAZ says: Or why not the simplest explanation? That AFP employed Bollyn to boost their credibility as an honest anti-Zionist publication.

Posieidon: This beggars belief. The Zionists would not deliberately choose to let the movement's "finest reporter bar none" continue to expose their crimes for a full five years, merely to create an illusion that AFP was not Zionist-controlled when it was. It is similar to my proposal that iamthewitness is really Zionist-controlled, but has been exposing some Zionist crimes to boost their credibility as an honest anti-Zionist outlet. However, I do not maintain that iamthewitness has exposed more than everyone else ... which is why my theory works and Smith's fails. Smith's task also involves attempts to divert attention to Israel, in order to protect Bush and Cheney (see below).

Fester: you can't have it both ways unless you think folks are not going to read your fine print. You have repeatedly tried the angle that Bollyn is suspect because he puts out stuff that is "old" news or "about to come out anyway." But you also feature the line that his info is "too good" and therefore he must be suspected as an operative. Make up your fuckin' mind, dude!

You put the movement's "finest reporter bar none" in quotes because you think it's bullshit, right? So why would a "zionist tool" like Smith and his "zionist operation" at TFC be using a 2 bit reporter like Bollyn? Or are you suggesting today that Bollyn is an excellent reporter since you say it "beggars belief" that he would be allowed to operate on AFP just to give AFP a better illusion of credibility?

There are a couple of other logical loops in that paragraph which I have neither the time nor patience to tease out.

Which is it, fishwife, Bollyn is legit or not? If he's not legit then his association with Smith in no way provides cover to the other 2 "key guys" since we got you on our side to light us a friggin' lamp. If he's legit, then why is he hanging with a couple of obvious pawns like Smith and Hufschmid.

The last line "Smith's task also involves attempts to divert attention to Israel, in order to protect Bush and Cheney" was HILARIOUS. If that's not an advertisement for www.iamthewitnees.com, I'm your Proud-Jewish-Lotus-Zionist-Fester B. Smith.

Posiedon: As debus correctly pointed out, the terrible trio's M.O. is to create mistrust of everyone else, then, when you have psychologically primed the reader, reduce that anxiety by bringing in the soothing reassurance that they can trust Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn. Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn will do your thinking for you!...But how can you have an argument with a cult follower? To them, logic is a stranger.

Fester: it seems pretty clear from others' comments that the WUFYS crowd can listen to Smith without succumbing to his MIND CONTROL techniques. Only you and da MASHER seem alarmed that people might stray over there without your net nanny services.

The only evidence of mind control attempts are your ceaseless REPETITON of falsehoods. Now, don't forget I cusses a couple times back there. You're all set and we all await your next masterpiece of independent thinking and LOGIC.

Fester says:

you can't have it both ways unless you think folks are not going to read your fine print.

I hope they do read the fine print. But it is Smith's followers who try to have it both ways.

You have repeatedly tried the angle that Bollyn is suspect because he puts out stuff that is "old" news or "about to come out anyway." But you also feature the line that his info is "too good" and therefore he must be suspected as an operative. Make up your fuckin' mind, dude!

I haven't said that Bollyn's info is "too good". On this thread, I said: "But if Bollyn was an agent throughout that period, his connections would have a plentiful supply of information that could be 'discovered'. They would release enough to make him appear to be a genuine anti-Zionist who was well ahead of the pack, whilst trying to limit the damage."

On the other thread I said: "If you compare this with material given out by Alex Jones, American Free Press, etc, Bollyn has much more appeal because of how he focuses on the crux of the matter. But if he is an agent - perhaps CIA and exposing Israeli crimes - this is exactly how it would appear. They would have to sell him to truth-seekers by providing a significant advantage over his rivals, whereupon he might gain a cult following. Some of his information would be sourced by intel organizations, and a 'guardian angel' would protect him at the highest level.

The video doesn't prove anything either way. If he is an agent, the cost to Zionism from showing this information to a few listeners is negligible compared to the benefit from setting truth-seekers against each other."

But Bollyn's info is certainly spun and presented so as to give it a great appeal to those of us who are aware of Israel's crimes.

You put the movement's "finest reporter bar none" in quotes because you think it's bullshit, right?

Yes, my position is that TFC's absurdities include the claims that: 1) Chris Bollyn, whilst he was a reporter at AFP, has done more to expose Zionism than everyone else put together. 2) AFP is a "Zionist-controlled" organization.

I reject both premises. But the Smithsonians have been trying to have it both ways, claiming both are true. That is the height of absurdity.

So why would a "zionist tool" like Smith and his "zionist operation" at TFC be using a 2 bit reporter like Bollyn? Or are you suggesting today that Bollyn is an excellent reporter since you say it "beggars belief" that he would be allowed to operate on AFP just to give AFP a better illusion of credibility?

Bollyn is an intel operative who posed as a journalist. He did the best he could, but was caught out in a few mistakes, which is why AFP considered his work to be suspect. It is the Smithsonians who argue that Bollyn is an "excellent reporter", and I point out that their thesis about Bollyn exposing so much whilst AFP is Zionist-controlled is absolute nonsense.

Which is it, fishwife, Bollyn is legit or not? If he's not legit then his association with Smith in no way provides cover to the other 2 "key guys" since we got you on our side to light us a friggin' lamp.

He isn't legit. But some - as was I until last summer - have been tricked into thinking that he is, which provides cover to Smith and Hufschmid.

If he's legit, then why is he hanging with a couple of obvious pawns like Smith and Hufschmid.

Exactly, which demonstrates that he is an agent and working with them.

it seems pretty clear from others' comments that the WUFYS crowd can listen to Smith without succumbing to his MIND CONTROL techniques. Only you and da MASHER seem alarmed that people might stray over there without your net nanny services.

Only TFC feel compelled to provide net nanny services to steer people away from Ernst Zundel, Ingrid Rimland, Germar Rudolf, Frederick Toben, William Rodriguez, Mike Piper, Steven E Jones, Mike Rivero, President Ahmadinejad, Mark Glenn, David Duke, Curt Maynard and everyone else. Anyone who claims to be the one true source has to be seen as highly suspect.

Wing TV's operation was similar. I don't know if they were agents, but what if Makufka and Bollyn were working on the same side, and their publicised quarrel was stage-managed as part of an operation intended to damage Piper and AFP?

Another point to consider is regarding Hufschmid's claim about Kathryn being a half-sister - and hence the Murdoch connection - and Bollyn's claim to have had an Israeli wife. What if these were red herrings designed to throw folk off the scent? Researchers would think that if Hufschmid and Bollyn were agents, they would be working for Israel. Since they appear to spend too much time attacking Israel, this would cause some to doubt the idea that they were agents. But if they are CIA gatekeepers, they could be diverting attention to Israel.

Another suggestion: Why don't TFC produce transcripts of their audio files, so information can be quickly obtained? That way, you have the best of both worlds - audio for the newcomers, and the text for those of us who want to quickly get at the meat. Maybe TFC are worried at what people would find.

Folks, if you're hooked on WUFYS, it's almost certainly because you've figured out who really calls the shots and pulls the strings.

Dear Old Poseidon's latest IED-petard is that Daryl Smith at www.iamthewitness.com is a zionist tool who is actively engaged in shifting blame for 911 to Israel and away from Bush-Cheney. Please read Po's most recent posts for this breaking story.

I can no longer imagine that old Poseidon is sincere despite the great waves of "logic" and "analysis" he deluges the site with.

His basket is brimming with herring large and small, but busy readers should know that dear old Poseidon badly wants us to swallow the following:

Old Herring 1) "There couldn't be THAT many disinfo agents." The Zionists wouldn't spend the cash to set up liars on TV, radio, newspaper, AND the internet. He's done the math for us and it's a fantastic amount. Poseidon thinks Jefferson was way out of line suggesting that "the price of liberty is eternal VIGILANCE."

Old Herring 2) The corollary to Old Herring 1 is that the Khazars were caught off guard by the troof movement. So, according to Poseidon, they got themselves "3 key guys" to counter the truth movement. When Smith, Bollyn, & Hufschmid suggest that we are skeptical and critical of "truth" tellers, Poseidon barks "pay no attention to the man behind the screen" and insists that harmony is more important than exposing frauds. Anyone read The Protocols lately or are they a forgery?

Fresh Herring) This one is an absolute HOWLER. Posiedon whispers that Smith is covering for Bush-Cheney by shifting the blame onto the Israelis/Khazars. He goes into some detail to help us little sunfish, and I urge folks to read through as far as they can.

Herring 4) Smith's library of interviews with experts on the history of Zionism and its crimes are irrelevant (role in Bolshevik Revolution for example, or the roles of the Chertoff and Emmanuel families in Israel's founding and US government today).

UAZ kindly wades through his latest and patiently argues the facts. Me? I've had my fill of fish logic and fish facts.

UAZ, I think DBS et al need to maybe provide a page where the give a run down on people they suspect and the reason/evidence. It would be helpful since claims get spread out and hard to locate.

I think Daryl does a pretty good job of providing a quick explanation for why he suspects people. It's gotta be a pain in the ass to constantly repeat info for new listeners who missed earlier shows. I don't agree that he's been "bizarre" although there's not been a lot of new interviews or breaking stories, so he's been rehashing stuff in his rants. Personally, I enjoy the rants and sympathize with him for the amount of time and expense he's put into it. He's stuck his neck out and seems to get more shit than thanks.

Somethin' fishy about that Old Fishmonger !

Quas, that thar photo were tasty, but exceeding nasty.

‘And what did she give you, Lord Randal, my son? And what did she give you, my handsome young man?’

‘Eels fried in a pan; mother, mak my bed soon, for I’m wearied wi huntin, and fain wad lie down.’

‘O I fear you are poisoned, Lord Randal, my son! I fear you are poisoned, my handsome young man!’

‘O yes, I am poisoned; mother, mak my bed soon,

Wanted to reiterate for the last time before the next high tide that I'll drop Smith, Bollyn, & Huf IF anyone ever offers substantive proof that they're disinfo. NOT the eye of newt, wing of bat, and other guano flung over the fence so far.

UnitedAgainstZionism writes:

Again, I agree that TFC have accused many innocent people, and it's doing no good. I agree that their actions in the last months are bizarre and counter-productive (and even self-destructing).

Glad we agree on this.

I'm not entirely convinced that AFP is Zionist-controlled. Initially, when the accusations started, I wasn't suspicious of AFP at all. It was their actions that were suspicious,

What actions were those?

and Piper's assurance that there's no way the only anti-Zionist newspaper in America, headquartered in the same city where a large amount of the criminals live, could not possibly have been infiltrated by Zionists, despite Piper himself describing how he spotted an ADL infiltrator (Roe Bullock?) working in the Spotlight newspaper.

I don't think Roy Bullock ever worked at The Spotlight. In The Judas Goats, Piper tells how Bullock visited the Liberty Lobby HQ, posing as a Spotlight reader. He was a popular visitor, since he carried lots of (ADL) cash and always paid the dinner bill. He probably managed to gather some information, but it was not long before Piper and Carto were on to him. Even if he'd managed to bribe some junior reporter, his influence would be quite minimal. If the hypothetical reporter's articles had strayed too far from the truth, this would have been spotted and he would have been fired. As happened with Bollyn.

TFC were right when they said AFP had been infiltrated by Zionists. Bollyn refused to say whether he thought AFP had been "infiltrated" - probably because he knew full well that he himself was one of the moles! Another was Greg Szymanski. If Piper said that there's no way a Washington-based anti-Zionist newspaper could be infiltrated, then that is not correct. He may have meant that the infiltrators would not be able to seize control, and could only make limited, temporary mischief.

But those who expose Bush / Cheney crimes and those who expose Israel's crimes are both acting for good. Both the Bush regime and Israel are guilty. So someone who points out Bush's crimes is not necessarily a fake.

That's nonsense and you know it.

One man's nonsense is another man's perfect sense.

If you're new, sure. We all thought "Bush did it" when we first found out that 9/11 was a false flag operation. But for someone like Alex Jones who has been in the truth movement for over 10 years, that's ridiculous. There's no way he doesn't know Zionism/Israel is behind almost everything.

The WTC demolition has Israel's / the Mossad's fingerprints all over it. With the Pentagon attack, the evidence points more to the Bush regime. Some of the Pentagon conspirators, such as Raytheon employees and Boeing engineers, were killed to shut them up. There was no need to do that with Zakheim and agents who demolished the WTC, since they were members of the tribe. But exposers of Bush / Cheney / Rumsfeld / Rice / Myers, etc, are still a force for good. DBS, Hufschmid and Bollyn are a divisive, destructive force whose activities benefit the Zionist criminal network and hinder those who seek justice and liberty for the masses.

If he's afraid or cares only about his career, then he must be outed as the coward or dishonest clown that he is. What the hell are we doing letting all these cowards or dishonest jerks be in leadership positions of the alternative media? They should get the hell out. Get out of the movement and let those of us who expose the real criminals take over!

I would certainly like to see Alex Jones and Webster Tarpley point to Israeli involvement. But they have managed to establish a niche which works for them, and they are still useful for educating newcomers who are just waking up. What the hell are we doing allowing obvious agent provocateurs or lunatics like Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn pose as "anti-Zionists", agents who claim that Ernst Zundel, Mike Rivero, Mark Glenn, and Mike Piper are "Zionist agents"? Anyone acquainted with the work of Zundel / Rivero / Glenn / Piper will see they are not Zionist agents; hence, Smith and the team must hope to bamboozle newbies. And the terrible trio's protected status demonstrates that they are not just a bunch of nutcases. As Piper says (April 6, 2007, 1:25), Eric is nobody's fool. Ergo, Hufsmith/Bollyn are Zionist-installed agent provocateurs.

They should make way for those of us who expose the real criminals, and can do so without trying to provide net nannying services by claiming to be the one true source of "truths".

Another of TFC's absurdities is that, if they are to be believed, the Sam Danner affair was not a stunt devised by Eric and Chris Bollyn to promote themselves, but an event that genuinely had them fooled, even after almost everybody had already seen through the hoax. Yet, a few months later, we find Hufschmid / Bollyn / Smith telling us that they are the sole arbiters of truth and the only ones clever enough to be able to tell who is or isn't a Zionist agent.

That is rather like a tale about a Muslim who flunked flying lessons, and was refused permission to hire a Cessna. Then, weeks later, he manages to slam a 757 into the Pentagon at well over 300 mph, being so skilled at using the elevators to set the pitch that he can go from an altitude of 266 feet a mile out to having the engines clear the lawn by a couple of feet a mere ten seconds later. A descent angle of 2.86598 degrees enters the building 2 feet off the ground; an angle of 2.88771 degrees just hits the ground, so the accuracy is 0.02173 degrees. And all that whilst experiencing minimum lateral forces of at least ½g probably peaking at 2g.

You evaded the issue yet again... I agree with you that the jailed "Holocaust deniers" are extremely unlikely to be agents. I'm referring to Alex Jones, Rense, Tarpley, Loose Change, etc. You are only identifying the obvious agents (Fetzer & co., the Jesuit people, Flocco, etc), and you make all kinds of excuses for the Zionist deniers, implying that there are no sophisticated disinfo operations other than TFC.

If Alex Jones, Rense, Loose Change, etc, are your "sophisticated" agents, then yes, I would agree that these could be agents. The failure to mention Israel and the focus on the weakest arguments and the diversions such as claims of a "gold heist" are suspicious. But we have no proof that these are agents, unlike TFC / Bollyn. The latter are a poisonous force that is damaging to the movement, which is why they should be exposed for the shills that they are.

You suggest TFC's guests "see through Smith's deceptions and manipulations", but if that is so, then why don't they write/talk about it?

Some of them have, e.g. Eustace Mullins on January 8. And Mike Piper is a former guest of Smith. I'll bet Piper would love to go on Smith's show or have the trio on his own show, but they would probably decide discretion is the better part of valor.

Many people now refuse to reappear on Smith's show because of the way he pretended to be on their side, and then attacked them after entrapping them into saying something he could use against them. There was Bruce Kent ((December 7, 2005), John Kaminski (December 9), Kee Dewdney (December 14), Sabah al-Mukhtar (December 16), Annie Machon (December 21), Wayne Kyle (December 22), and Lady Michele Renouf (February 17, 2007). He may not have gone on to attack every one of these, but he has turned against enough people that most folk have now wised up to his MO.

When Kaminski was on Smith's show, Smith agreed with everything he said and did not interrupt JK or show the slightest indication that he regarded any of his statements as "racist". Within a day or two, Smith was suddenly attacking Kaminski for his "racism". When Lady Renouf was on his show, Smith pretended to support her and to be on the side of David Irving. A year later, he is found accusing Irving of being a "pedophile" and a "Zionist agent". And Smith said he was suspicious of Kee Dewdney. Of course, Smith is careful to remove the evidence by deleting these interviews from his site. I may put them up on takeourworldback, so folk can see for themselves.

When Daryl has actual Crypto-Zionist agents and gatekeepers on his show, e.g. Annie Machon, Smith does not go on to attack them. Machon is a Hebrew word meaning "facility" or "institute". At Israel's Dimona plant, the various blocks are known as Machon 1, Machon 2, etc. Annie's ex-partner David Shayler is known to practice kabbalism.

In the same post in which you call them Zionist agents, you suggest they may be working for the CIA and trying to shift blame away from the Bush regime. So are they Zionist agents or CIA agents?

I use "Zionist" not as some codeword for "Jewish", but to describe supporters of the NWO crowd's program to erode and abolish national sovereignties and traditional liberties in order to establish a global dictatorship. I'd say there is a good chance that Smith/Hufschmid/Bollyn are Christian Zionists connected to the CIA. But they could be working for Israel.

Either way, it is pretty clear that they are a Zionist-financed distraction, as Patrick Grimm concluded at his Zionist Watch blogspot, after looking at what TFC had to say and what I had to say. Grimm's article has just been spotted by Chris Womak and posted at the excellent Politically Correct Apostate.

Now you introduce a new theory, that "the CIA or Bush regime would correspondingly try to divert attention to Israel". You know as well as all of us that the Bush regime is completely Zionist-controlled. The 40% or so that are not Jewish are just as willing to help the Zionist cause. Cheney played a large role in 9/11, for example.

If you propose an imbalance whereby Israel's agents can divert attention to Bush but US agents cannot shift the blame to Israel, this presupposes a theory about the hierarchy of Zionist forces. Much of the time, I would agree that Israel and organized Jewry has so much leverage due to their lobby groups, subs with nuclear-tipped missiles, capacity to conduct terrorist attacks, blackmail of the Bush regime over the Pentagon attack allowing Israel to get away with embezzlement of vast sums from the Pentagon and demolition of the WTC, etc, that Bush could be afraid to shift the blame to Israel.

But there could be pro-US elements within the CIA who decide they will ignore any pecking order. They would act out of a misguided sense of patriotism, doing what they thought was right for the US leadership. This could be Smith's motivation.

However, shifting blame away from the Bush regime and onto Israel is a worthless tactic. It would make much more sense to expose Israeli control of the US government (and media, banking, etc). Which is what TFC does!

Others have exposed that, and much more effectively than TFC could ever hope to do.

Nobody is saying that Hoffman's work is useless. In fact, he has done great work, better than Jim Fetzer. Those are the most effective agents. You surely must agree that Jim Fetzer is a disinfo agents, right?

It does appear so.

He is way too intelligent to believe the nonsense he spews.

This might also be said about Eric Hufschmid.

Hoffman uses the "inside job" false dilemma fallacy, and he knows it. 9/11 was not done by Arabs; therefore, 9/11 was an inside job. When the obvious culprit is Israel.

Perhaps he thinks the best strategy is to start prosecuting Bush regime members, then that can lead on to Chertoff - Silverstein - Lowy - Zakheim - Netanyahu - the Mossad, etc.

I've read some of Andrew Mathis' nonsense at BluWiki. What does he do to counter Smith's arguments?

Mathis has 30 points in this April 3, 2006 "debunking" alone; they don't all count, but some of his arguments are valid. See his (20): Chris says that Hitler himself was of partial Jewish descent. He says Hitler's half-sister was Jewish. Neither were. The question is conclusively debunked in Ian Kershaw's two-volume biography of Hitler. It's not just the "neo-Nazis" who dispute claims that Hitler was part-Jewish.

Amusingly, in this February 20, 2006 "debunking", Mathis points out that Smith obviously didn't bother to research or read any of William Cooper's work, because Cooper was a proponent of belief in UFOs! Smith and Hufschmid say that belief in UFOs is "nonsense", although that is contradicted by Eric's (and Rupert Murdoch's) "Apollo hoax" theories, and Smith's refusal to denounce them.

Smith followers who uncritically accept Myron Fagan's claims as gospel should consider what Mathis has to say about that. Mathis' point (7) is correct, for example, about the origin of May Day.

However, some of Mathis' debunking is Zionist propaganda. Note his treatment of claim (3) about Laposky being the Dillons' true name, where he provides a link to here. However, click on Samuel Dillon, and you find he was born as Sam Lapowski. Either Mathis didn't bother to check that out, or he hoped that no one else would.

Some of Mathis' criticisms are valid. Smith is right some of the time, but one cannot take everything he says for granted just because he seems to be such a good - or outspoken - anti-Zionist and can project an apparent air of sincerity.

This page lists some hoaxes originated by Chris Bollyn. They omitted the "thermite in the Fuji Bank batteries" absurdity, the stunt involving provoking the police into arresting him, numerous unsubstantiated claims such as the "2000 death threat", and any mention of the connection with David Rockefeller.

It's possible that Andrew Mathis is not a paid criminal, as his behavior would suggest. Piper said Mathis stalks him and insulted his dead mother.

Yes, I saw the exchange between them where Piper scared - or tried to scare - Mathis into thinking that he was going to sue him. Readers might like to refer to Piper's show of April 16, 2007 featuring the Piper / Mathis battle, or see here for Mathis' version of events.

Smith's MO is to dishonestly gain the confidence of his prospects by telling them what they want to hear and pretending to be one of the target group, creating anxiety by suggesting that his rivals are "agents", and then offering to relieve that anxiety by providing a one-stop source of "trusted truths". But anyone who - in light of all the evidence - refuses to accept any possibility that Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn might be shills, will expose themselves as a likely member of the same team.

When enough folks learn just how good DBS is at CIA spook craft the game Eric has setup will become the "Retard Bin" corner of the net and they will not even be able to serve a few shows of there crap to anyone with half a brain.

I commend Poseidon for working this issue. My tolerance for IATW Mp3's left early in 06' and is not going to return any time soon so my thanks for those that have heard the last year of em and are willing to call a spade a spade.

And as for Daryl well if the guy is not going to video himself and put face to name he will just remain another CIA annoyance to contend with.

I would hope that most would see sooner rather than later that TFC visits are tailored to stun not to enlighten. Planed out to waste your time and run you through a endless maze of info that is or is not true all salted with the delay/distraction spice.

Can anyone name anything DBS or Eric have broken NEWS wise? Even one issue? No they just gate keep the stuff already floating around in the wild.

TFC is just there to waste your time on ANY level they can. Leading you to some fanciful never never land of there own spook creation ... just for your consumption.

"Dog poop soup" was the term the Pickle dude used one or twice.

How many bowls of it can you stomach?

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

I would bet the info files and IP logs give Eric and his CIA ghost crue headed by a mystery voice a major simple time targeting the easy to fool and willing shills by the score don't you all?

The main reason Daryl goes off about numbers is the TFC web is not coughing up enough info files and IP logs to keep "Upstairs" quiet. The traffic to do there job is well over there current numbers and all the recent shenanigans around the whole bunch are not doing anything to boost numbers. To get there job done now that the scale of movement around getting REAL with the Questions and not letting the WEB Distractions hamper all the MUCH needed fixing and folks are starting to see that if there going about there business as normal they are just financing and promoting war. Me I have only purchased 1/10 of every thing i normally would buy. All with out much trouble. You all need to start to rethink ALL the things you buy QUICK. This is a major hot time for the big men to use your consumption to drive there war machine Don't feed the BEAST. Starvation is GOING to bring the beast down i think it should be Sooner not later.

This DBS thing is sure taking a long time to shake out eh?

Oh and Suzzette the Whippit twit Daryl's phone and typer girl/shot catcher could her nose be any farther up the DBS crack? :')

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Good ol Poseidon and his alter ego da MASHER are back at it chumming the waters. Ol Po’s slinging his bottomless buckets of shredded tissue while da MASHER is back and bailing his insipid lumps over the side.

If you two aren’t already an established entity, maybe it’s time to incorporate. Know that this one’s already taken

Oh, by the way MASHER, if you’re sooooooo hot for Daryl to reveal his identity, why not start the process by posting your own photo? How about one together with the Great Protector of Troof Movement Harmony? Very much looking forward to it old Chum.

UAZ, thanks again for going through the effluent and rebuting it. My patience is shot. It's nonsense and once again Mr. "Take Our World Back" links to pieces that DON'T support his points trusting that his word and wall of noise will be sufficient.

The following exhibits - audio files - demonstrate that alleged CIA-backed agent provocateur Daryl Smith is a treacherous, bare-faced liar. The aforementioned defendant was just as anxious to remove those first two files as Rudy Giuliani was to get rid of the WTC steel.

Exhibit A:

http://www.takeourworldback.com/mp3/SmithKaminski09Dec20051.mp3

Exhibit B:

http://www.takeourworldback.com/mp3/SmithKaminski09Dec20052.mp3

Exhibit C:

http://www.takeourworldback.com/mp3/SmithRenouf17Feb2006.mp3

As of writing, the latter file is still available from Smith's site:

http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmithInterviewsRenouf.html

Exhibit A is the first section of Smith's December 9, 2005 show featuring John Kaminski; Exhibit B is the final section. Exhibit C is Smith's February 17, 2006 show featuring Lady Michele Renouf.

Smith's MO has been to gain his listeners' confidence by presenting himself as a 'genuine' anti-Zionist. In his more reasonable GCN "chance of showers into the afternoon" phase, he tended to point out actual disinfo agents such as Tom Flocco. Once he had gained the trust of his audience, he would go on to make increasingly bizarre and outrageous claims, culminating in allegations that Ernst Zundel, Germar Rudolf, Mike Rivero, Mike Piper, Ellen Mariani, William Rodriguez, Mark Glenn, etc were "Zionist agents". He would also accuse some of these of being "homosexuals" or even "pedophiles", e.g. David Irving.

Smith would use the shows as a means of gathering 'evidence' against respected figures in the 9/11 truth or historical revisionist or nationalist movements. A guest would typically be invited to name those whom he believed to be the "bad guys" in the movement, and to produce any dirt that he could on them. The broadcasts were little more than gossip sessions, where people get talked about - in an unfavorable light - when they are not present to defend themselves. Sometimes Smith would use this 'evidence' against a third party to label them as a "Zionist agent". But if he could, he would even try to trick the guest into saying something that could be used as evidence against the guest.

Smith's problem was that he would eventually run out of people. Even those whom he had not yet denounced as a "Crypto-Zionist", but merely used as ammunition against another anti-Zionist, wouldd eventually wise up to his deceit and subsequently give him a wide berth.

Smith gave two reasons for his "falling out" with John Kaminski. The original claim was that Kaminski was a "racist". More recent versions allege that Kaminski was trying to get Smith in trouble over the "holocaust denial" laws.

In Exhibit A, the first Kaminski session, Smith says (2:30 minutes) that John is a "truth teller", and that "he's always been straight". Later, as Smith prepares to introduce Kaminski (25:50), he says he's happy to have him on his show whenever he wants, he's a regular visitor, a friend of his, comes from "the same neck of the woods", and shares some of the same "childhood goals and ethics".

Here, it is evident that Smith was attempting to get Kaminski to give him any dirt he had on Jimmy Walters. Kaminski did mention how Mike Ruppert was exposed as a fraud (30:15), and says he believes Phil Jayhan's theory about the planes "firing missiles" just before hitting the Towers is just a distraction (32:45). Kaminski mentions Stu Webb as "25% disinformation" (33:38). At 34:23, DBS says "John Kaminski is a rare talent, and he's going to talk the truth today." At 38:20, DBS tries to do down Phil Jayhan. At 44:15, DBS says "John Kaminski is one of the greats in the country for this fight against tyranny."

In the second Kaminski session, Exhibit B, Daryl Smith continues to have nothing but praise for John Kaminski. At the start, Smith says "We have somebody that represents really, wonderful truth and a lot of experience here, his name's John Kaminski, he's a friend and he's a hard worker for moving our nation's truth forward here". Then Smith characteristically prompts Kaminski to talk about the "bad guys" in the 9/11 truth movement. At 4:05, JK talks about Morgan Reynolds, saying that he found "no fault" with him - or William Rodriguez. Of course, that was Reynolds' confidence-building period; as of 2007 we know that he is a "former" Bush junta member in the same way that Osama, dead or alive, is a "former" CIA asset. At 14:30, DBS talks about Eustace Mullins (whom he had as a guest the previous day) saying that all the -isms were coined by the same Zionists, they were festered and propagated by this group to cause "derision"/division and problems in the world, and it's the bankers. Kaminski says (15:18) "He (Mullins) didn't say bankers, he said Jewish bankers." Smith agrees. At 19:40, Smith says he uses "Zionist" as a term because it does encompass the "useful idiots" that they employ such as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. JK says the only difference between Zionism and Judaism is that Zionism includes evangelical Christians. DBS says "That's right."

At 26:08, Smith says "We've been talking with my dear friend and collaborator in the truth, John Kaminski ... I don't know what to say about John except thank goodness for John". At 29:30, JK talks about Jewish-instigated "hate" laws, the ultimate in hypocrisy .. now, you can't criticise anything Jewish even if it's killing you.

At 30:16, Smith says "For them to do anything to me, John, would explode those interviews all over the place, they would be from one end of the planet to the other..." Kaminski: "Don't overrate yourself Daryl, when you see what's happening throughout the world. I doubt, certainly neither one of us, has the body of work that Germar Rudolf has. I mean, he's been at this and he has been voluminous, and he has been to the point, and all of these so-called 'historical revisionists' that are trying to point out the fictions that have been perpetrated from WWII that the Jews are trying to turn into a worldwide religion..." DBS: "Yeah." JK: "With all these 'holocaust' museums that are going on ... there's no way the stuff they're saying in those 'holocaust' museums is even remotely true. They just have a hammer lock on the media and they keep pounding us - they wanna turn us all into homosexuals to destroy the family - that's not an exaggeration and it's not a statement against homosexuals because the homosexual population has been steady at 10% or whatever it is throughout history". Kaminski does not mention the 'holocaust' any more.

Smith says (37:45) "It's been a very powerful interview with my friend John Kaminski", and goes on to talk about his responsibilities as a broadcaster and how it's dangerous for him to take stands on things without having to qualify them. Kaminski says "...we have to try to include everyone in a better world and we can't just arbitrarily rule anybody out". At 48:05 a caller, Mike from Arizona, says he doesn't believe the claims over the 'holocaust'. He recommends Myron Fagan and Benjamin Freedman. Is "Mike" one of Smith's shills? DBS says (51:40) "I wanna thank you guys for calling - Mike for calling in and John for being my guest - it's been a great show..."

So, Smith did not give even the slightest indication that he found Kaminski to be "racist" or offensive, continuing to praise him. Smith agreed with Kaminski's definition of Zionism, not even bothering to point out the example of anti-Zionist Jews.

Almost immediately, Smith pulled the interview from his website, claiming that Kaminski had been "racist". Kaminski was careful to spell out that "we have to try to include everyone in a better world and we can't just arbitrarily rule anybody out". Smith sometimes refers to "Jews" rather than "Zionists". Moreover, Smith has called for Israel to be declared an enemy, attacked and carpet bombed until the crater is so deep it would take an explorer team weeks to get to the bottom of it.

Smith's other claim was that Kaminski had tried to get him in trouble over the 'holocaust' laws. Kaminski only said 78 words on the 'holocaust', and Smith had every chance to interrupt to say he disagreed or he had not looked into it. At 37:45, Smith still referred to JK as "his friend". The caller at the end was suspiciously like a shill, recommending Myron Fagan and Ben Freedman.

The Kaminski interview was on December 9, 2005, and if Smith is to be believed, he is terribly worried about the 'holocaust' laws. Yet on February 17, 2006 (Exhibit C), he has Lady Michele Renouf as a guest, with the entire show dedicated to talking about free speech relating to the 'holocaust'. Smith has already done the dirty on his 'friend' John Kaminski, but now tries to impress Lady Renouf by pretending to be a supporter of David Irving. Within a matter of months, Smith goes on to accuse Irving of being a "homosexual pedophile" and a "Zionist agent".

At 2:20, Smith says "...and she has been in contact, and will be visiting, David Irving, and if you don't know who David Irving is, you should, firstly, but more importantly he is a historian, and before he became embroiled in this recent, well, witchhunt that he's involved in over in Austria, his career brought him some accolades as being one of the best historical researchers in Britain, until he started touching on the issues of the 'holocaust' and other things..." Listen at 24:30 when Smith tries to smear Jean-Marie Le Pen as an "odious character" and a "racist", and Lady Renouf puts Smith in his place. The little creep makes an inane comment about Le Pen "working for them".

Lady Renouf: (41:24) "Instead of getting someone to actually exhume those bodies that we see in those big trenches - those skeletons that you see - the wartime skeletons which are said to have been people who have been gassed, millions of them, the obvious thing to do would be to exhume and forensically examine how they were killed. Did they die of typhus epidemic which was rife in those internment camps during the war, or did they die from poisonous gas, the Zyklon B? That would be, one would suppose, the normal way to deal with what they call 'holocaust denial'. But instead of which, all I saw in that courtroom for two months, was this extraordinarily subjective argument as if we were talking of a religion, what actually they'd called a Holy of Holies, as opposed to a sensible investigation..." Smith: (45:06) "Maybe we can have another visit and hopefully pronounce some good news for David..."

Lady Renouf refers to "Hellenic skepticism", but this phrase seems a bit misleading as Hellenic skepticism apparently went out with Lucian in the 2nd century. The early skeptics claimed that knowledge was unattainable (e.g. see Bertrand Russell's History of Western Philosophy, p. 243). Maybe the revisionists' skepticism would be better described as a
"Socratic skepticism", in a Hellenic-based culture?

So Smith starts out being pals with Kaminski, using him to have a go at Jimmy Walter, Phil Jayhan, Stu Webb and other possible agents. He then decides Kaminski's information is too good, and he has to be labelled as an "agent" or a "racist". Smith then pretends to be matey with David Irving, knowing full well that he can sink his teeth in a few months later, when his followers have had a little more time to be brainwashed.

Smith's claims about Kaminski are blown out of the water by the fact that Smith continued to heap praise on him, there is no evidence that Kaminski is any more "racist" than Smith, and a subsequent Smith broadcast was entirely dedicated to the subject of the 'holocaust' and historical revisionism. Hence, Daryl Smith is a treacherous, two-faced, bare-faced liar.

Given the questionable quality of Smith's 'information' and the fact that there are numerous alternative, better sources that do not seek to label the best workers in the movement as "Zionist agents" or "pedophiles", it would be ridiculous for even a millionaire, with ample free time, to waste any of it investigating Daryl Smith's hotchpotch of half-truths, absurdities, and malicious lies.

http://www.instructables.com/id/EDM3LUTF1B3R794/

Thats Me Fester!
First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

BIG yawn MASHER. BIG YAWN chum.

That's the sum total of your "evidence" ain't it. That's why you've been holding out saying we'd have to discover his "bold lies" for ourselves.

There's nothing there excpet your mischaracterization of Smith's reasons for distancing himself from Kaminski, Renouf, etc.

More intelligent listeners will notice that Smith is consistent his handling of them. Upon reflection, he felt they were trying to lead him into trouble with "hate" crime laws in France. You happen to be too much of a dullard, or, more likely, too insincere to figure this out even when it's explained repeatedly.

You're way bettter off avioding the "facts" and "evidence." Stick to your tried and true whispering and mutterings.

MASHER, here's my photo:

Notice the line in/out of the left ear. It leads directly to Smith's mind control apparatus:

It's good to see that people are waking up to Daryl Smith's deceptions and treachery. But his operation was always self-limiting. He could not carry on accusing more and more anti-Zionist activists of being "Zionist collaborators" without coming a cropper.

For example, see the recent Curt Maynard piece which is available here (Part I):

http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/exposing_daryl_bradford_smith.htm

Part I alone demonstrates that Smith is a ne'er-do-well. It should be obvious enough that some snivelling upstart who has contributed little or nothing of value, yet accuses Ernst Zundel of being a "Zionist agent", is either a jackass or a knave. And given Smith's capacity for snaring the unwary, acting as a prolific timewaster, and enlisting le Gendarmerie to guard him from irate Jews who are a target of his venom, he is not a complete cretin.

Another recent article compares Daryl to Seung-Hui Cho, and suggests that he "mixes a little bit of BS with a lot of paranoid opinion, and hardly ever fact":

http://info-warriors.com/?p=90

That piece has a link to 2:20 of audio which includes Smith's infamous call for Israel to be "carpet bombed", and a claim that "George Bush is too stupid to wipe his own behind". Or click on the next link to go straight to the audio clip:

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5996969308487395940

It's funny how this call for indiscriminate carpet bombing of Israel comes from a man claiming to have many Jewish friends! They can rely on Daryl's loyalty about as much as John Kaminski or David Irving or Steven E Jones could rely on it, i.e., about as far as a one-armed tree climber could throw a rattlesnake. With 'friends' like Daryl, who needs enemies?

The following link to Patrick Grimm's Zionist Watch is worth including again in a list of recent, worthy articles on DBS. "Now at least 50% of their writing and internet radio broadcasts (broadcast out of France, rather than the good ol' USA) are taken up with painting any individual who doesn't agree with everything they say as a "closet Zionist" a "Zionist collaborator" or part of the "criminal network". Hardly anyone has escaped their infantile witchhunt":

http://zionistwatch.blogspot.com/2007/04/false-flags-among-us.html

In the same sense that you want us to take the good stuff from Alex Jones and all the other Zionist deniers, why don't you take the good stuff from TFC and ignore the gossip and innuendo?

Because TFC's signal to noise ratio is so poor that it is a total waste of time, and in any case it contains so little of value that it is like searching through a dung heap to find a dime. And having information on audio as opposed to text is also extremely inefficient. If the audio files contained as much "good" information as Smith's team claim, they should have transcribed it to avoid the necessity of spending hours listening to downloaded files just on the odd chance that there could be something useful. Why should people go on a CIA- / Scientology-created wild goose chase when they have the mighty internet at their disposal? People should learn to use search engines, not rely on spooks and shills to do their research for them.

How are the Zionist deniers not a poisonous force? They are trying to focus all the attention on Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice/Myers, and doing everything they can do divert attention away from the real criminals behind 9/11, i.e., Israel, Zionists in the government, and the media.

I agree that some of this diversion is deliberate, but in part it is a natural consequence of existing Zionist-instigated taboos. If a niche exists whereby an individual can obtain a reasonable amount of airtime pointing out to newcomers that the government has misled them, then anyone who fills that niche is a force for good. As newcomers get up to speed, they can then refer to other outlets in order to start investigating Zionism. Now that it is generally accepted by truthers that Daryl Smith is one of the bad guys, they will have more sense than to let a perfidious son of a pig like Smith do their investigating for them, and tell them what to think. We don't need no thought control!

And they don't expose the Holocaust, or much else.

Others do, luminaries whom Smith has denounced as "Zionist collaborators" and/or "pedophiles".

Your failure to identify the Zionist-denying talking heads as agents and merely labeling them as "suspicious" is suspicious,

I do not say that none of these people are agents, but I refuse to condemn them all in the absence of evidence. In contrast, Smith does condemn them all in a hasty generalization designed to poison and divide the movement, which tells us more about Smith than about the "Zionist deniers".

Since when do Christian Zionists act rationally?

Another hasty generalization.

If you propose an imbalance whereby Israel's agents can divert attention to Bush but US agents cannot shift the blame to Israel, this presupposes a theory about the hierarchy of Zionist forces. Much of the time, I would agree that Israel and organized Jewry has so much leverage due to their lobby groups, subs with nuclear-tipped missiles, capacity to conduct terrorist attacks, blackmail of the Bush regime over the Pentagon attack allowing Israel to get away with embezzlement of vast sums from the Pentagon and demolition of the WTC, etc, that Bush could be afraid to shift the blame to Israel.

That is a bunch of nonsense. Bush is working for Israel, not for the American people. Same with Cheney, Rice, Gates, and the other American "leaders".

The reasons I gave above explain why they are working for Israel. One of Smith's jobs is to protect Bush in the event of impeachment or prosecution. Hence, Smith is observed claiming that Bush is a moron who "is too stupid to wipe his own behind", and showing how Bush is "controlled" by Israel. At the trial, the defense would argue for diminished responsibility, and that Israel had forced Bush to attack Afghanistan, Iraq and the Pentagon, and to cover up for the WTC demolition, etc.

... yet Smith knows that Israel controls the US government, and he exposes this fact. How can that possibly be a "misguided sense of patriotism"? You make no sense.

He is shielding Bush as above, and the so-called "exposing" - which is mostly rather tame facts that others have already exposed - allows Smith to attract his target audience.

And trying to discredit Chris Bjerknes is not a good idea.

I wouldn't be surprised to find that next week Smith is accusing Chris Bjerknes of being a Crypto-Zionist and a pedophile, and that the week after he names Robert Faurisson as a Zionist collaborator and a serial killer who slashes his victims.

And what's so wrong with believing the Apollo moon landings were a hoax?

I think most have already figured that out.

Have you seen What Happened on the Moon - An investigation into Apollo?

Link didn't work.

That page you linked to damns Jim Hoffman as an agent.

The page doesn't even mention Hoffman. Maybe the site does somewhere. If I link to a page, it does not mean that I support everything on the page or even on the entire website. It is to illustrate the particular point I am making.

Even Suzette the Whippette is starting to wonder what's going on with Hufschmid.

If Suzette, Eric and UAZ are all one and the same, they would pretend to have minor disagreements as part of the smoke and mirrors. Some suggest that Eric and the Skunk are the same person; I think their styles are too dissimilar. But as others have pointed out, it is interesting that the judicial-inc.biz domain expires on February 8, 2008, which is the very same day the iamthewitness.com domain has to be renewed by. The domains are probably administered by the same team of shills.

Another interesting connection emerges from an analysis of traffic ranking by city for judicial-inc. It has Los Angeles at 1st position, and Chicago at number 2 (cf. above link relating to this domain). Wiki points out that Los Angeles has the largest concentration of Scientologists and Scientology-related enterprises in the world. The Church also has a number of bases in the Chicago region.

Eric's address, Goleta, CA, is only about 90 miles from LA. I see the population breakdown has 11.2% German, 0.6% Swiss and 0.2% Israeli ancestry.

I don't see anything strange about Kaminski being Smith's "friend" and then Smith changing his mind about it. He was also a "good friend" of Piper (see any of Smith's old interviews with him), and he even called Piper things like a "national treasure" (20 Jan 2006 show @ 14:40).

Once would be understandable, twice might be coincidence, but when someone ditches so many former friends like they all have the plague, it is evidence of a deliberate campaign, or serious psychological problems. Taking all the evidence into account, it is clear that Smith is a knave rather than a lunatic or a fool.

Kaminski was no more racist than Smith on the censored broadcast, and it is Smith who has tried to instigate hatred by calling for carpet bombing of Israel. And if Smith was worried about 'holocaust denial' laws in December 2005, he would not have broadcast an entire program on that very subject in February 2006.

How does recommending Benjamin Freedman and Myron Fagan make you look like a shill?

The likelihood of a single, random caller just happening to recommend the very same two speeches that Daryl had been recommending, and to say he didn't believe in the 'holocaust', must be astronomically low. If he was a shill whose job was to help provide the pretext for a Zionist character assassination of Kaminski, this vastly improbable event suddenly becomes highly probable.

I recommend them too, especially Freedman.

That doesn't surprise me.

Regarding Smith "pretending" to be a supporter of David Irving, maybe he simply changed his mind some time later.

Like he changed his mind about dozens of other people? It is so improbable, and the alternative theory that Smith is the bad guy is so probable, that we can safely reject your theory.

You say there are "numerous alternative, better sources" than TFC. Name them.

Folk that use search engines will find them. WUFYS is a much better source than TFC, even given Zionist covert infiltration.

"It's good to see that people are waking up to Daryl Smith's deceptions and treachery" - Poseidon

In typical caterwauling fishwife fashion, Poseidon cites a curt maynard article as "evidence" that Smith is guilty. Poor old Posiedon doesn't "remember" that a maynard rant was the starting point of this long-assed thread. He's jumping up and down awakening the group to this new "fact."

Po, you old chum-spewing, naked disinfo clown, you consistently:

1) ignore the facts
2) mischaracterize the obvious
3) change topics
4) cite sources which don't support your
assertions
5) spew page after page of stultifying
crap fact and crap logic
6) propose obviously nonsensical
"theories" which belie your other
credentials
7) accuse others of what you practice
8) do not respond to reasonable requests
9) spend inordinate amount of time
attacking someone who has created a
libary of interviews to educate the
public on the history of zionist
crimes

An honest or reasonable person who admit that they have a personal grudge against Smith. You would admit that you don't have any evidence against him, but you think he is wrong to charge others with being disinfo. We could agree to disagree on that basis, but you and others seem to be campaigning against the "three key guys" and that stinks of zio-disinfo which is exactly what Smith and the boys claim.

Better boot the jukebox!

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

MUCH better MASHER! That's the real MASHER. You've got your groove back, dude. Knew you could. Simply oustanding.

UAZ, another helpful post. My only quibble would be that Smith's show has dropped in quality only because he's presented the basic info already. Some who haven't been there might get the idea that he's gone bad when it's simply that he's covered the subject thoroughly. Just a quibble. Thanks.

Bollyn Trial
If they get away with putting Christopher Bollyn in jail, why wouldn't they continue to arrest the rest of us who they regard as potential threats?

The following link has the contact numbers in the Chicago area:
http://www.iamthewitness.com/Bollyn-chicago-contacts.html

It seems that Daryl Smith has been taking part in secret trials for the Parisian Electricity Supply company:

He was worried sick that he might fall in the river and be declared "in Seine", confirming Mark Glenn's theory about him.

Any rumors that Daryl once proposed to Saddam a scheme to bolster Iraq's electricity grid: Install a number of merry-go-rounds in children's playgrounds, mechanically connected to underground generators, and Saddam replied, "You cretin! What you gain on the roundabouts, you lose on the swings!" are unconfirmed.

1) ignore the facts

As Fester does on numerous occasions, when, unable to refute an argument and defend the indefensible, he attempts to dismiss it as "cat piss", etc.

2) mischaracterize the obvious

This is another Festerian tactic. E.g., a criticism of Smith's bizarre theory that Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn are the one reliable source of truth and everyone else is a probable Zionist agent and "member of the criminal network" is met with a fallacy of false dilemma: The only alternative is a "3 key guys" theory.

3) change topics

The topic is all related to the veracity of Daryl Smith and his partners Eric Hufschmid and Christopher Bollyn. Fester's / Smith's problem is that the evidence against the terrible trio is so copious that the reams and reams of this evidence may be sub-divided into many, many subsets. According to Smith, "everywhere you look there is a Zionist agent". I find that, almost everywhere I look, there is evidence that Smith is a Zionist agent.

4) cite sources which don't support your
assertions

They support the specific point I make, but that does not mean I endorse everything on a particular page or site. Even our enemies share certain beliefs, or at least, they must pretend to so as to retain an iota of credibility.

But consider how Fester is seen one minute citing Eustace Mullins to back up his claims about Bollyn:

The FACTS are that Bollyn hasn’t changed his story and he’s backed up by Eustace Mullins. Why don’t you come out and tell us that Eustace Mullins is full of shit.

...then the next minute he says:

I don't have time to monitor multiple net radio shows and had no idea that Mullins was a bare assed liar. [...] His "Smith tried to get me to move to France" statement and the rest can go in the shitter with him. [...] Mullin's has ZERO credibility.

Incidentally, if Fester is not Smith but merely an 'unbiased observer', why did he act in the manner of one who knew Mullins' "Smith tried to get me to move to France" statement was correct and was desperately trying to discredit it? An unbiased observer would not have been so quick to conclude that Smith must have been telling the truth and both Piper and Mullins must have been lying.

5) spew page after page of stultifying
crap fact and crap logic

Fester thinks it is "crap" because it is evidence against him / Smith.

6) propose obviously nonsensical
"theories" which belie your other
credentials

For example, Smith's theory that Zionists did 9/11, American Free Press was Zionist-controlled, and AFP permitted Bollyn to continue exposing more about 9/11 than everyone else put together for a full five years. Or Smith's theory that Hufschmid and Bollyn were silly enough to be fooled by the Danner hoax for months, then within a few short months they had become so much cleverer than everyone else that they (along with Smith) were the only truth seekers capable of discerning truth from disinformation and genuine anti-Zionists from Zionist agents.

7) accuse others of what you practice

See above and below.

8) do not respond to reasonable requests

Fester never responded to my request to explain just how the ADL ensures that not a single one of their thousands or millions of agents defects and talks, or how many handlers are needed to control them, or why Smith doesn't suggest his followers put up a reward to entice one of these Crypto-Zionists to defect. And what reasonable request did I not respond to?

9) spend inordinate amount of time attacking someone who has created a libary of interviews to educate the public on the history of zionist crimes

This would not have been necessary had Smith not devoted some 50% of the interviews' content to totally baseless attacks on anti-Zionists whose body of work far surpasses that of Smith / Hufschmid / Bollyn in quality and quantity. Smith can call me a Zionist agent, bottom feeder, idiot, etc, but he shouldn't have slandered people like Zundel, Rudolf, Rivero, Piper, Glenn, Mariani, Rodriguez, etc, when they had done nothing to him.

Maynard's article is really just his opinion.

Maynard's opinion is based on reality; Smith's 'opinion' is determined by whatever will advance his agenda of protecting Bush and doing as much as he can to waste the time of genuine anti-Zionist researchers for as long as humanly possible. If he can last out for two years before having to do a Wing TV, then he's served his purpose.

I happen to agree with him that Zundel is not an agent, but that's not enough to condemn Smith, when he has done such groundbreaking work.

Before the increasingly bizarre events of the last year, TFC was okay, and if we just consider the audio files, they were probably second to none for a while. Now, the absurd claim that Zundel is an "agent" is enough to demonstrate that Smith is either mad or bad. Taking into account all his other mud-slinging and nonsensical claims, his protected status, and the activities of Hufschmid and Bollyn, it is clear that Smith is bad, not mad.

Maynard also fails to realize that Hufschmid is the person who writes and maintains the iamthewitness.com website, not Smith.

Daryl is associated with the site, and if he had serious issues with Eric he would fire him and get another webmaster. In fact, Smith's broadcasts tend to be consistent with the content of the iamthewitness site.

The opinion of a person whom Smith has accused of being a Zionist agent is hardly supportive of your case.

Here, Smith has tried to create a no-win situation for his opponents, by automatically defining them all as "Zionist agents". But it is a circular argument, since he must start out by assuming that the critic is a Zionist agent in order that his opinion becomes invalid.

The second article you refer to, is just the ranting of an Alex Jones fan.

Similar circular argument; Jones is a Zionist agent, hence his followers have been misled into thinking that Smith is COINTELPRO.

What is so wrong with calling for Israel to be carpet bombed? Change 'Israel' for 'Iran' and see if it sounds that bad. Yes, innocent people in Israel would die, but that's what happens in wars.

Change 'Israel' for 'Iran', and this sort of rhetoric is what you would expect on a Zionist forum such as LGF. So you were in favor of the Iraq war, then? I do not support the initiation of force and deliberate killing of innocent people, just because of a theory that the alternative would lead to more deaths. There have been hundreds of thousands of excess deaths in Iraq since the 2003 invasion; do the crazy warmongers really believe that Saddam would have killed all these people?

Better to kill 5 million racist and hateful (by education, not by nature) Israelis than to set off WWIII and kill hundreds of millions of Muslims, Americans, Russians, etc.

Israel's arsenal of weapons includes hundreds of thermonuclear weapons, and diesel-powered subs equipped with nuclear-tipped warheads with a 900-mile range. Isn't an attempt to kill 5 million Israelis likely to set off WWIII? I want to see a political solution for Palestine / "Israel", not more bloodshed.

The ludicrous official theory posits that the religion of Islam mysteriously mutated - spontaneously. Colonialism in Aden (Yemen), Bahrain, Brunei, Egypt, Iraq, Kuwait, Nigeria, Palestine (Israel), Qatar, Sudan, Transjordan (Jordan), etc, had not led to suicide bombers or a terrible enmity between Muslims and Christians. But at the turn of the 21st century, Muslim militants were lurking everywhere and carrying out suicide bombing attacks with increasing regularity. No satisfactory explanation was offered as to what had changed between, say, 1991 and 2001. In contrast, the development of Israel's nuclear capability is perfectly correlated with the emergence of staged terror attacks and the increasing alignment of Western policy with Zionist goals - from mass immigration and a federal Europe with a $120 billion budget that auditors refuse to sign off year after year, to increasingly repressive "anti-terror" laws, restrictions on freedom of speech, and wars for profit where the target is Israel's enemies and the main beneficiary is Israel. In May 2000, Israel tested its new submarine-launched modified nuclear-capable cruise missiles with a range of 900 miles. There is ample evidence that the link between Israel and terror attacks is causal as well as correlative.

In contrast, the evidence you have against TFC is only what they DO say, which you believe to be incorrect. You can judge TFC by what they say, but you can't judge the Zionist deniers by what they say only -- you have to judge them even more so by what they don't say.

This seems like double standards. I find what TFC say is evidence enough. I suspect that what they don't say includes the fact that Smith is CIA- / Zionist-controlled!

But Smith has gone much too far in attacking people who are not Zionist deniers.

There is no possible excuse for those who pretend to be leaders of the truth movement to refuse to talk about Israeli involvement. And the fact that you keep trying to make excuses for them is what really bothers me about you.

Some of the Zionist deniers are certain to be Zionist agents, but we don't know which ones for sure. And their actions can be more economically explained in terms of how society has been moulded. We can point out that they could be bad guys, and point out their omissions, but to condemn them all as obvious agents would be going too far.

The likelihood of a single, random caller just happening to recommend the very same two speeches that Daryl had been recommending, and to say he didn't believe in the 'holocaust', must be astronomically low. If he was a shill whose job was to help provide the pretext for a Zionist character assassination of Kaminski, this vastly improbable event suddenly becomes highly probable.

Do you read yourself? This makes less sense than suggesting the jailed "Holocaust deniers" are agents.

I exaggerated with "astronomically" low. But we have a specific broadcast under consideration, and the one caller who does ring in just conveniently happens to recommend the Ben Freedman and Myron Fagan speech which TFC also recommends, and provides Daryl with the very pretext he needs to denounce Kaminski as a "racist" who was going to get him in trouble with the 'holocaust' laws. On the Piper Report, callers often phone in and start talking about a totally new topic, or they start posing awkward questions like how RBN makes its money. The chance of a single caller on that particular show being so convenient for Smith is low enough that we can suspect the 'randomness' of the event. It's rather like the 1 in 260 probability that the WTC leaseholder would change within a particular 6-week period when the buildings had been standing for around 30 years.

I was referring more to radio/audio sources. Stuff you can listen to with your MP3 player while working, walking, etc. No program on RBN, GCN, Revere, etc can stand up to the quality of the earlier TFC shows.
Only Jack Otto, Rick Adams, Piper, and maybe a few others, can be compared to the quality of the old TFC.

Although I consider the now available Piper Report to be better than old TFC shows, back in late 2005 the TFC shows were very probably better than any other audio sources on Zionism. If others find value in multi-tasking listening, then fine. I like to be able to stop and make notes and investigate what is being said.

Posiedon old chum, you're a quick study fella. How did you ever come up with my photo? Clever comeback. Really.

Your usual slurry of chum, but I'll take a moment to savor your brilliant opening:

"Maynard's opinion is based on reality; Smith's 'opinion' is determined by whatever will advance his agenda of protecting Bush and doing as much as he can to waste the time of genuine anti-Zionist researchers for as long as humanly possible."

You've coughed that basic hairball up a couple of times already, but there's a little more stuck to it this time round.

I have no doubt that readers at WUFYS can make up their own minds about you and your very leaky, foreign-registered trawling operations on the basis of that fine, fine, signature trichobezoar.

Fester's choice of words is quite apt. From Wiki's entry:

The word "bezoar" ultimately comes from the Persian pâdzahr (??????), which literally means "protection from poison." In fact, some types of trichobezoar are apparently able to precipitate or bind arsenic compounds (long used as poison) from a solution.

Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn are poisoning the truth movement; a bezoar protects from poison; hence, a protector from a triumvirate of poisoners could be a tri-bezoar. Okay, so tricho- does pertain to "hair", so we have to remove the Virginia Tech shooter to make it work.

Po, old chum, don't shift hairballs.

Hack up your "Smith is covering for Bush-Cheney by smearing the Israelis" trichobezoar one more time. Dissect it for us dupes, dude.

It's a brilliant and important theory. A signature hairball of your very own making. All kinds of "fact" and "logic" lubricating and propelling it. You'll get past the retching if you just keep repeating the procedure often enough. Practice. Courage.

Someday maybe you'll bless us with another regurg of "Zionist's are Playing Ketchup using the 3 Key Guys" number.

Nice try on the poison angle, but the truth is poison to criminal enterprises ("sunlight disinfects" and all that). Your hairballs are more likely an attempt by the system to rid itself of unpleasant and dangerous truths.

Nobody has explained why Smith would want Eustace Mullins to move to France...

If Smith really is in France and was a chef, maybe the plan was for Smith to poison Mullins. Or a Mossad wetwork team that could make it look like a "heart attack" didn't want to risk entry to the US. Or they had some polonium-210 left over that could be slipped into his tea.

Whose "body of work far surpasses that of [TFC's]", Poseidon? Certainly not Piper's, Glenn's, or even AFP's in all its 7 years of existence.

Piper's books such as Final Judgment and The Judas Goats contain far more evidence against Zionism than material from the TFC stable. AFAIK Daryl Smith has never written a book, and Chris Bollyn only features in some compilations including articles by Piper, Chris Petherick, William Rodriguez, Ellen Mariani and Victor Thorn. (His co-writers are "Zionist agents", according to Smith/Bollyn/Hufschmid!) As for Eric, his book did not have much to say about Zionism or Israel. Germar Rudolf's work, e.g. see Dissecting The Holocaust, Lectures on the Holocaust, The Rudolf Report vastly surpasses the collective works of TFC/Bollyn. WRH's articles on 9/11 outstrips the puny offerings from TFC, as does the body of work from Jim Hoffman. The latter includes a page about the WTC ownership change to Silverstein and Westfield and the terms of the insurance policy, the sort of detail that a "Zionist denier" might be expected to omit.

And, most importantly, these other sources do not come tainted with whining unsubstantiated claims about so-and-so is a "Zionist agent" every other sentence.

The earlier interviews, up until around the Bollyn arrest (15 Aug 2006), do not contain any accusations against anti-Zionists (except Kaminski, and maybe Irving); only against Zionist deniers and other obvious agents. So what's your excuse to condemn those shows?

The earlier interviews were better - they had to be, as Smith was trying to promote his operation as well as gaining the confidence of his listeners. I regard the quality of their earlier information as dubious, now that Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn have shown their true colors. And, not surprisingly, TFC have removed many of the earlier files, with only three remaining from 2005. It was a loss leader: start by exposing a few Zionist crimes, albeit material that is either relatively minor or old or is already in the public domain. Present yourselves as "anti-Zionists", then when you have a following, pad out the material with attacks on genuine anti-Zionists. Build up fear and suspicion in your listeners, and then offer to allay those fears by presenting yourself as the "one true truth teller".

The later interviews are the equivalent of wading through a dungheap to find a dime. But if people do decide to go to Smith's site, they should make sure they use an IP anonymiser such as anonymouse.org, else they could find themselves rounded up as "terrorists" and incarcerated in an internment camp.

The idea is that the US should turn against Israel, leaving Israel without a chance. That's likely what Smith meant. Not that it will ever happen.

But Smith didn't say that. His reference to carpet bombing Israel was a cheap way to attract people, by saying something that anti-Zionists could understand even if they didn't condone it. Of course, the US would only have to turn off the money tap to Israel. There is no need to bomb them.

What the hell can be the excuse for Alex Jones, for instance? Give me your best.

I have already explained that Zionists have successfully moulded society such as to account for Alex Jones' actions. Suppose there is a patient with a broken leg and a cut finger, and Alex Jones treats the cut finger. If there was no one else available to treat the leg, and Jones could have done so but refused, then he could be accused of negligence. When there is no shortage of people to fix the broken leg (Zionist exposers), Jones is doing good rather than harm by treating the finger or exposing some crimes. Note that infowars.com archived this page about partly evaporated steel members in the WTC7 ruins. Shouldn't he be trying to cover it up if he is "working for them"?

If you were planning to use audio files to brainwash a group of potential followers, which prospects would you prefer: those who listened whilst connected to the internet and with pen and paper at the ready, and who would sometimes try to dissect claims with a fine toothpick? Or those who listened to the audio whilst "walking or working", a multi-tasking captive audience who had little opportunity to establish whether the claims were true?

If Alex Jones is not a paid criminal but is merely doing the best for his career, subject to Zionist influences on society, by your (UAZ's) way of looking at this he could still be considered a de facto Zionist agent. Similarly, suppose you have two people: One has been greatly influenced by Smith, perhaps by not being in a position to check out his claims; the other regards Smith as a fraud. Won't the latter perceive the former as a de facto "agent" of Smith, even if the Smith supporter is wholly innocent of being a shill, and is not secretly being paid or part of Smith's team?

Your "economics theory" is worthless, as we know the Zionists have almost infinite money.

It's a lot, but not nearly infinite. Daryl once claimed that the Zionists control something like $500 trillion.

This site claims "in excess of $10 billion" for Frederic Morton's estimate of the Rothschild fortune "as of 1850". Another claims "over $6 billion US in 1850". Morton's book The Rothschilds says, "The total wealth encompassed by the clan during most of the nineteenth century has been estimated at well over 400 million pounds" (p. 60). If we say £500 million for the estimate in Morton's book, and given that the exchange rate for the dollar in the late nineteenth century was averaging about five to the pound (peaking around ten), the £500 million corresponds to $2.5 billion. Maybe Morton revised his estimate; it's more likely the sites have inflated the figure.

£36.5 billion would be the lower limit if The Family only managed to match inflation at some 3.3% p.a. With their legendary skills, they would have beaten inflation, and the true figure is probably nearer £3.5 trillion. The upper limit is set by whatever multiple of global GDP one thinks should be allowed for global wealth and the proportion that can be hidden in trusts and Swiss banks. As debt increases there is more scope for a clan to own a significant proportion of assets, and it becomes a greater proportion of total net wealth. The US national debt is over $8 trillion, about two-thirds of GDP.

The World Bank recently published a report Where is the Wealth of Nations? giving a breakdown by country of total wealth per capita including intangibles. There is a good summary and explanation at this page, which also includes a direct link to the .pdf file of the 208-page report.

For the total global wealth, the average per capita value is placed at $95,860 (as of 2000). Multiplying by the world population for 2000 of 6.07 billion, this values global wealth at $582 trillion.

The US is listed as $512,612 per capita, so multiplying by the 2000 population of 281 million we obtain $144 trillion for the total wealth. The summary on the Reason.com page says $513,000 per capita wealth is producing $41,500 per capita income, corresponding roughly to an 8% p.a. return on total wealth (and sets total wealth as a 12 times multiple of GDP). The multiple should be a little higher and the yield a little less, since the income figures are for 2005.

Switzerland had $648,241 wealth per capita and a population in 2000 of about 7.1 million, so its total wealth is $4.6 trillion. The Rothschilds - or whatever powers that be are at the top of the hierarchy - could easily hide a trillion or two here, and trillions in the US. It is rather telling that Switzerland manages to stay out of wars; if there are battles going on between various factions then they would all have money in Swiss banks, and agree to keep the fighting out of harm's way. The natives of a country will look at government claims for average wealth or income and think that they are too high compared to a typical working wage, given that the number of rich is relatively low. Governments explain this by saying that they just take a low income and a high income, and quote the mean as the "average" income. That is one way of fiddling the figures.

Israel's per capita wealth (2000) is valued at $294,723 or a total of $1.85 trillion. This would have increased rather sharply following the 2001 exploits of a certain Rabbi Dov Zakheim.

The Rothschilds of today are not responsible for the crimes of their forefathers. Although they are clearly very wealthy and the official valuations of their assets are too low, changing conditions over the last century would reduce the political clout provided by their wealth. Originally, the hierarchy would have gone rather like: (1) Rothschilds (2) US Zionist Mafia such as Bronfmans, Rockefellers, Meyer Lansky (3) US govt.(4) Govts of UK / Germany / Australia, etc. Then Israel came in as a new entry and soon moved to number (3) above the US. Israel was set up to provide the Zionists with more leverage, but after 2001 it became even more powerful with its German-built Dolphin subs with nuclear-tipped cruise missiles and ability to carry out false flag terror attacks and blackmail as well as bribe the target country's government. So Blair could be viewed as either Bush's or Israel's poodle, and US policy (particularly regarding foreign relations) is determined by Israel "we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it" (Ariel Sharon, 2001). The US didn't spend hundreds of billions of dollars and sacrifice thousands of its own servicemen in Iraq in order to benefit the American people.

However, Israel may have outgrown the Zionists. It is certainly at the centre of the axis of evil. Olmert (formerly Sharon) seems to be more concerned with the immediate theater of the Palestinians and Lebanon, whereas Netanyahu is a suspect for orchestrating terror attacks such as 9/11 and 7/7. The US Zionists sponsor training schools for the Mossad, which may have achieved a degree of autonomy. But in days of old, those who paid the piper would call the tune. If the bankers chose to transfer their funding to another regime, their original puppets would become impotent as their army could not be paid. Nowadays, those who have control of the armed forces and have their finger on the nuclear button would have gained in power compared to the bankers. Israel's nukes, and the Khazars' reputation as amoral barbarians who would be perfectly prepared to see countless millions die, gives them tremendous political clout. And Netanyahu's "al Qaeda" Mossad-based false-flag terror operation gives him a lot of leverage, and a degree of autonomy from the Israeli state. The Mossad / "al Qaeda" is an alternative band of international pirates.

So Daryl Smith's claim of $500 trillion would mean that the Rothschilds owned almost all the money in the world. It seems a high estimate, but if this were true it would mean a massive windfall for the world's peoples when the criminals are finally brought to justice. I would like to see more on how Smith arrives at his figure.

To them, paying 1 agent is no different than paying 1000 agents. I can picture Jacob Rothschild pulling out of his pocket a $1,000,000 check and handing it over to whoever is in charge of the 'Zionist Internet Disinformation Department'.

Yes, he would probably be happy to write a check for a million dollars. But if 1,000 agents are just paid $1,000 per month, that is $60 million over 5 years. Eric Hufschmid claims there are hundreds of thousands or even millions of Zionist agents. 10,000 full time agents at $5,000 per month would total $3 billion; 100,000 part time agents or blackmail victims costing $1,000 per month to handle - the cost of the ADL handlers must be allowed for - would total $6 billion. Given Jews' reputation with money, and the fact that the Rothschilds didn't get where they are by not getting the best possible return on their investments, they aren't going to spend billions if they thought they could do the job for millions. Most importantly, the downside - the risk of an agent blowing the whistle - would vastly outweigh any benefit, which is why the "million agents" theory is preposterous.

UAZ, if you arrived here via the link on iamthewitness, then your arrival here is entirely innocent and I was wrong to imagine you were an "agent". For the record, even though leftfield and whitewraithe supported DBS, they have not given me any reason to suspect they are shills and I believe they have merely been too influenced by DBS.

I model the players as equivalent to light bulbs driven by logic gates: If the bulb lights, that person is an agent. It seems that the truth state or the shill status of Smith is in phase with Hufschmid and Bollyn, and out of phase with nearly everyone else. The evidence for Piper, say, being a shill consists of Eric's claim that he is and Bollyn's claim that he has an ADL handler and gay lover. Yet that is contradicted by Piper's exposing of Zionism in his books, reports and broadcasts.

On the other hand, in support of Smith/Hufschmid/Bollyn being shills, we have TFC's allegations that Zundel, Rimland, Rudolf, Rivero, Piper, Glenn, Duke, Rodriguez, Steven Jones and all the rest are Zionist agents, their contradiction-riddled claims such as Bollyn being the biggest exposer of Zionism whilst at AFP which was "Zionist-controlled" and Bollyn/Hufschmid suddenly going from Sam Danner's dupes to the greatest identifiers of deception the movement has ever known, or Bollyn being a world-class exposer of Zionism but so unstreetwise that he did not realise that running from armed police with a Taser was not a good idea. TFC's emphasis on audio rather than written material, and the convenience of Smith being allegedly based in France, providing them with a pretext to say very little about the holohoax. Smith's prominent position as the "Black Mamba" self-styled leader of the truth movement whilst refusing to show his face, his constant attacks on rivals (e.g. claims that they are pedophiles), leading on of guests to come up with any dirt they can on a third party, and his betrayal of guests who were his 'friend'. Bollyn's unconvincing cover story about a library banning a book, his unsubstantiated claim of a "death threat" in 2000, his connection to David Rockefeller, his two Jewish wives and connection to Israel, his "Walter Mitty" record as a journalist and sacking by AFP for being unreliable, his promotion of the Sam Danner hoax, his unconvincing staging and inconsistency in reporting (e.g. claiming that regular traffic cops were body armor-wearing, heavily-armed agents from a covert gang-suppression unit) of a police "assault", his unsubstantiated claim about a conspiracy by Piper, Makufka, Homeland Security, Jews, and the Hoffman Estates police to "get" him, his evidence-free claim of Piper having an ADL handler, and his apparent connection to individuals with untraceable license plates and receipt of money from overseas. We have Hufschmid's links to Rupert Murdoch, his promotion of Murdoch's "Apollo hoax" nonsense, his ability to finance high quality glossy magazine style pictures in a 2002 book (that did little to expose Israel!), his (debunked) claim that AFP had "censored" Bollyn's work, his promotion of, or being suckered by, Sam Danner, and his so-called "paranoia" of imagining that everyone else - apart from Bollyn and Smith! - are Zionist agents.

I say there is more evidence that Smith / Hufschmid / Bollyn are agents, than Zundel, Rimland, Rudolf, Irving, Rivero, Piper, Carto, Stadtmiller, Glenn, Duke, Ahmadinejad, Mariani, Mark Lane, Steven Jones and all the rest.

But I'm suspicious of Fester, who is such a shrill, fawning supporter of DBS that it looks to be much more than mere brainwashing. An analysis of the times of Fester's posts suggests that he sleeps between about 0900 and 1500 GMT, which would be consistent with someone in, say, California or even Goleta. Do we have any evidence that Smith is really based in France, or do guests on his show call a virtual number that gets routed to a Scientology center in LA?

http://info-warriors.com/?p=90

Found the above which pretty much sums up posiedons views. I was reading a similar blog yesterday but cannot find it, did not bookmark like I thought I had. doh!

Maybe I am too British, but I am rather put off by the way Smith blows his own trumpet (it does not sound very attractive, if a person keeps saying me good, me best, me biggest or whatever, maybe Americans are used to it, but British people tend to be less 'vulgar' and self promoting and understated and this I find naturally more appealing.

Hoooaarrk!!

Po, old chum, dat's big time CHUM mon frere. I knew you were loading the buckets, but that effort was outstanding:

Your usual blend of the inaccurate, implausible, and willfuly obtuse.

Didn't spot any brand new HAIRBALL theories in the mix, but perhaps one or two got by me. I do collect them.

Oh, and if it's your wont to track my coming and goings so, do be kind enough to take out the trash and set the milk bottles out when you go.

Leftie, the number of people doing radio shows and aiming at the same target as DBS is about nil if you exclude dubious entities. Daryl takes his stance based on this fact and not out of an exaggerated sense of his own importance. I'd urge you to cut him some slack since he's been sticking his neck out for a long damn time without a movement developing. But let's not quibble.

Piper's Tuesday May 15 show:

http://216.240.133.177/Piper/07/index.php

...makes much of our previous comments redundant. Hufschmid deliberately chose to avoid mentioning the Zionist involvement in 9/11 in his book and video, Painful Questions / Deceptions. Jim Condit Jr pointed out in a TFC show that Eric had not mentioned Israel or Zionism in his book or video. Evidently, this came as a shock to DBS, who then tried to excuse it with a claim that "the evidence had not yet come out". Yet, American Free Press had run articles as early as September and October 2001 about Mossad foreknowledge in 1993, and 2001 FBI arrest of Jews. Chris Bollyn was "digging into" Israeli involvement well before Painful Questions / Deceptions was published, and Bollyn was corresponding with Hufschmid before the book and video were produced. Piper has an email from Bollyn to prove it.

Hence, Eric Hufschmid is the King of the Zionist Deniers! What else would one expect, from the brother-in-law of James Murdoch?

An interesting set of links, PlanetQuo. When did DBS say that he thought I was Thorn/Makufka? The Victor and Lisa split appears to be where he was too much into the "Jews did it" idea and she was tuned into the "ponerology" stuff. The reality is somewhere in the middle. I haven't totally ruled out the possibility of Makufka being an agent, with the Wing TV split part of the operation, but I think it's a quite unlikely thesis.

I hadn't even heard of characters like debus or madthumbs until after this thread started here. Debus seems to tire of threads and conclude by agreeing with the others. E.g. in your first link he eventually says that he thinks Eric is a genuine 9/11 researcher. Then, in the other one, he says he is a "jewish shill".

I have used the Poseidon handle for a little over a year now. Occasionally I use other names such as Zionistexposer, e.g. digg.com, if Poseidon is already taken. But I'm not Makufka or debus.

Piper has more to say about the terrible trio in his May 10 show. From 13:00 to 17:20 he says how outrageous their claims are about Ingrid Rimland, Ernst Zundel, Frederick Toben, David Irving, etc being Zionist collaborators. At 26:25 to 26:55 there is a bit about Eric's claim re Piper "covering up for the Bronfmans". Then a caller phones in about Patrick Grimm's Three Amigos article that also went on to Curt Maynard's blog.

Finally, at 29:20, Piper says he's been sitting on some really hot stuff (re Smith / Hufschmid / Bollyn) for a long, long time, and one day he's gonna let it all hang out.

Jim Kerr of planetquo.com, the great forum-stalking exposer-guy, is either an outright liar or straight up delusional. I was friends with Jimbo until just recently, when he accused me of spreading disinformation via my myspace profile, because he doesn't approve of some of the sites I link to. According to Jim, if you link to 9/11 sites that don't vociferously declare that Israel was behind the attacks, you're a disinfo agent. His penchant for unwarranted finger-pointing and gratuitous accusations is second only to that of Eric Hufschmid. I didn't really give a shit when the finger started pointing at me, but now that the stupid old cunt's started posting lies about my friend Nina on his rapidly-declining-in-relevance website and on this thread, the time's come to do some "exposing" of my own.

PlanetQuo: I was amused when I heard Daryl Bradford Smith say that he believes you to be Scott Makufka a.k.a. Victor Thorn. I reckon that you're Debus posting under another pseudonym, but I bet you'll deny it - just like Nina a.k.a. A Possum Princess from NOLAJBS denies that she knows Madthumbs. Nina, incidentally is the girl who likes to pose for the camera while wearing an IDF T-shirt.

I doubt though if she's told Daryl Bradford Smith of her support for the Israel Defence Forces during their telephone conversations. I'm sure he'll find out soon enough though. In fact, I know he will. Daryl has been keeping some bad company....tsk tsk. Shame be upon him.

You're keeping very bad company too Poseidon. A self-confessed Jewish shill and a participant in an IDF summer camp is not the kind of company such a fine researcher and writer as your good self should be mingling with. One does tend to be judged by the company that one keeps, you know.

Jim aka PlanetQuo would have you all believe that Nina, my 22yr old friend currently residing in New York, "attended an IDF summer camp". Here are some quotes from Jim's ridiculous too-much-time-on-his-hand doesn't-get-out-enough Nina expose:

"Why is Daryl Bradford Smith having regular telephone conversations with a 22-year old woman who states that she attended an IDF summer camp?"

"Daryl Bradford Smith urgently needs to explain his relationship with the young woman who likes to be photographed wearing IDF T-shirts and dining on pages of the Talmud. How did Smith become acquainted with a supporter of the Israel Defence Forces in the first place?"

What Jim's referring to is a photo that Nina herself posted on a thread in the NOLAJBS forum. The caption was

"Oh, so it IS okay for me to share my experience in IDF summer camp? I'm grateful that this forum provides such a hospitable warm environment to come clean. Thanks...."

It was in response to this post, from an idiot going by the name of Quo Vadius, aka Donnie Darko:

"My sister went to Israel. Worked on a Kibbutz. I should have killed her on her return.

My friend has barbecues with a former Israeli fighter pilot. I should assassinate him immediately.

I walked past a Jewish guy once. I should have vomited and washed myself with acid immediately.

Your amazing logic is noted.

See your psychiatrist."

Can anyone besides the delusional Jim Kerr not see that it was a joke? Or is Jim not delusional at all, but trying to deliberately mislead the readers of his painfully boring and inane "expose"? One thing's for sure; either Jimbo's incredibly fucking dumb, or he's a bullshit artist.

Oh, and Poseidon is Debus, too, according to Jim. Who else besides Jimbo believes that?

Anyway, all that aside, I happen to have proof that Jim aka PlanetQuo is a lowlife liar, even if he is stupid. A couple of weeks ago I offered Jim some information about Daryl Bradford Smith that I'd obtained through email correspondence with Nina, on the condition that he keep it to himself. After getting Nina's permission to pass on the info, I wrote to Jim thusly (excerpt from an email):

"I have a fair bit of information from Nina that I'll pass on to you if you can assure me that it will be used for your interest only. No publishing on your site, no sharing with Hufschmid, no fucking around. I don't want her to be seen to be weighing in on it, especially via me."

This is the first paragraph of his response, excerpted from his rather lengthy reply:

From: planetquo@hotmail.co.uk
Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2007 6:36:23 AM
To: jamie linton (jmzlinton@hotmail.com)

Hi Jamie,
I give you my word that any information that you give me regarding Nina aka 'A Possum Princess' will not be published on any of my websites or shared with Eric Hufschmid. Nina is under investigation. I am interested solely in her relationships with Daryl Bradford Smith and Joe Molero and Madthumbs.

I trusted Jim, I had no reason not to. I considered him a good friend and a man of his word. So I forwarded an email I'd received from Nina to him, unedited and in full. What a mistake that was. In the next email he sent me, he asked my permission to show Daryl Bradford Smith the email:

"Smith needs to explain himself and answer the questions that I will be asking him. If he is clean, he has nothing to hide. In view of this, will you give me permission to reveal the information without naming my source. Smith does not need to know where my information came from. All he needs to know is what Nina has said. He will know whether or not she is telling the truth."

So he was already looking to break the deal, but at least it was looking like I had a choice in the matter. So I asked Nina in a myspace message:

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Infensus Mentis
Date: May 2, 2007 12:01 AM

Nina - Quo is asking for my permission to share some of the info (whatever it may be that he's interested in, I don't know) with Daryl, yay or nay?

And from her, I got this reply:

From: Nina
Date: 01 May 2007, 10:15 PM

oh? HAha im pretty sure some such discussions have already taken place.... ;) why he's asking permission now, i'm not sure. (btw, if you'd rather not serve as courier, you can let planetquo know that he is welcome to contact me directly. i'm certain you've got more important and interesting things to attend to.)

cheers, Nina"

So it seemed he'd already spilled his guts. Unimpressed, I emailed him with the above quote from from Nina, with "it looks like you've already spilled the beans" at the bottom. It was at that point that he became hostile, deleted me from myspace, and accused me of being disinfo on account of the links to "deceptive sites" on my myspace profile. Conspicuously absent was any sort of denial about his "spilling the beans" and breaking his word. An excerpt from my reply:

My last email to you was "looks like you've spilled the beans", and now I get this. Not a direct answer, but this. And don't you fucking pretend that our deal was for you not to share it VERBATIM; the deal was for you not to share it at all, you conniving bastard. I believe my words were "for your interest only". But you broke that word, didn't you. So that you could run over to Daryl and be the hero that saves him from Nina, the 22 year old girl that you're making an arch-nemesis out of in your silly fucking doesn't-get-out-enough imagination.

Shortly thereafter, Nina's information, the email I'd given to Jim on trust, was posted verbatim in a thread on the NOLAJBS forum by Jim's new partner in crime, Suzette the Whipette. So he'd passed it onto someone else, breaking his word in the process. But not only that; remember my conditions, outlined above?

"..I'll pass on to you if you can assure me that it will be used for your interest only. No publishing on your site, no sharing with Hufschmid..."

From his little Nina "expose" page on his website:

I invite you, dear reader, to examine the following extract from a conversation that Nina recently had with a mutual acquaintance, and to draw your conclusions regarding the truthfulness of what Nina is telling us...

So there you go. Jim Kerr aka Planet Quo is full of shit, and as such, can't be trusted at all, for anything, and should shut the fuck up. No more finger-pointing, no more Poseidon this and Debus that, no more "deceptive" this and "disinfo" that. That's right Jim, I'm talking to you. You've lied and deceived about Nina and her "IDF connections", and you outright lied to me, someone you've publicly declared as a "good friend" on NOLAJBS forum. And indeed I was until you fucked with me and tried smearing the good name of an innocent young girl half your fucking age, all based on contrived bullshit and out-of-context tidbits.

So it looks like you're in a "bit of a pickle"; if you deny the above quotes are your words, you're a liar (I've got the emails to prove it), and if you accept that they are, which of course they are, you're a liar by virtue of the broken promises therein.

I suggest you put the brakes on your rapid descent into irrelevance and get busy exposing the real Zionists for a change.

http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/

DBS's latest rant is a pathetic attempt at damage limitation. He's trying to imply that the reason he wrote those emails to Suzette is because she was pushing a religious agenda. He does not make reference to them of course, he wants his listeners to assume that this was the reason why he sent them if and when you see them. Nothing could be further than the truth. He sent those emails (below) simply because Suzette had suggested that perhaps he, DBS, ought to be investigated as Eric always tells people to do. Obviously DBS is beyond investigation. His rant then would suggest that Ted Pike, Christopher Jon Bjerkness, David Pidcock (muslim), Jim Condit Jr, Mohammed Rafiq, Sahib Bleher, are all part of the "problem", Kay Griggs, Dr Lorraine Day, to name but a few not to mention Christopher Bollyn's Mormon guest, Jack Monnett. In a nutshell, DBS would not have hardly any audio files at his site were it not for these so-called "religious" people.

http://www.iamthewitness.com/mp3/DarylBradfordSmith-16May2007.mp3

Yes Michael (Fugazi is Michael of myspace for those of you that don't know), anyone that's just read my last post and clicked on the links has already seen your silly video. You put it there as if you're proud of it, but as far as Nina goes, it's much ado about five-eighths of fuck all, champ.

Let's examine the evidence against Nina in the video then.

1. Nina is a mutual friend of DBS and Joe Molero of NOLAJBS, who is known to Nina only as NOLA.

2. DBS and Nina have spoken on the telephone on occasion.

3. Nina objected to TFC posting NOLA's personal details on their site, and asked Daryl to remove that information, which he did.

The video, and Jim aka PlanetQuo's expose for that matter, is nothing but one big non sequitur, particularly with regard to Nina (although I do like the soundtrack). After a great deal of melodramatic posturing and pomp, it basically says nothing at all. Super-imposed over photos of Nina, stolen by two 50 yr old men, I might add, are pretty little lovehearts which childishly insinuate that Daryl's calls to Nina are evidence of some sort of romantic infatuation he has with her. It seems the only exercise PlanetQuo gets is jumping to conclusions.

Nina gave NOLA DBS' phone number after the latter posted NOLA's private info on his site, in order to provide a means by which the two could sort out their differences over the phone, without her being in the middle. That phonecall was never made. But of course, according to PlanetQuo, all this is evidence of Nina being an "agent" of NOLAJBS, deviously "playing both sides" to fulfill her sinister agenda to convince TFC to cease linking to PlanetQuo.com's "NOLAJBS exposed" trilogy, which to anyone who looks closely enough at PlanetQuo's beef with DBS and Nina is the real reason behind all this hostility. Jim aka PlanetQuo worked very long and hard on his little expose, just take a look. And that's only part one of the coming trilogy. When Daryl pulled the link to PlanetQuo.com, Jim was not a happy chappy. Traffic to PlanetQuo increased many-fold when TFC linked to PQ. In fact, in one of his emails he said to me that if Smith didn't link to the next installment of his NOLAJBS expose, PlanetQuo would no longer support iamthewitness.com, because "support is a two way street, Jamie". And now, surprise surprise, here we are.

Anyone can see that the driving force behind that video is spite. Could it be that PlanetQuo is jealous of a 22yr old woman's phone relationship with Smith, his longtime idol? Two weeks ago, PlanetQuo was the staunchest supporter of Smith and Hufschmid I've ever met in my life. Seriously.

Anyway, take a good look and decide for yourself.

http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/

Infensus Mentis a.k.a. Crimes of Zion a.k.a. Jamie Linton. Evidently the fact that DBS has been compromised by a Christian Zionist via Nina is of no concern to you. Can you explain why you are defending a 22 year old person who, not only is a friend of NOLAJBS aka Joe Molero, has contributed nothing in the war against the "crimes of Zion", wields so much power over DBS (not just a few phone calls as you suggest in your effort to minimize the damage, Eric confirmed this)and yourself, why you promote Alex Jones, a Zionist denier and protector of the "crimes of Zion" along with other known suspect sites on your myspace profile. I realise you’re no friend of DBS or Eric but I thought you may have been interested in exposing deception after all you quickly came to the defense of Planetquo within the 'Ed Hass' thread at NOLAJBS. Double standards seems to be your trait as evident in your praise of my article "Alex Jones and the Temple of Doom", which exposed Jones as being a proponent of the New World Order masquerading as a fighter against it, and yet you still promote Jones on your myspace profile. Now you come out of nowhere to defend a 22 year old woman who you claim to be a friend of, a friend that you would like to f*** over and over (as stated in you messages to Planetquo via myspace) simply because she responded to your initial contact. You're employing the same tactics that you claimed to expose whilst posting at NOLAJBS, but this should not be a surprise to anyone when they carefully study the article and video posted by Planetquo and myself. Why not simply show yourself? All this hiding behind fancy images and names with hidden meanings in an attempt to sound somewhat mystical is painful if not comical. Here I'am:

What in hell is wrong with you cheesy bastards?

Nina was introduced to DBS by me - something I regret as I have learned that his group is bullshit and most likely a bunch of 'them' being paid to screw US up.

Im sorry, Nina.

Another thing, I was the one who talked Nina into giving nola something about daryl. She decided on phone number. I kinda made her do it This is ANOTHER thing I regret, because I have subsequently found that the celebrated 'fight' on nolajbs.net was contrived theatre - and it seems that some of the operators knew that all along. (besides the fact that it wasnt used)

She wouldnt give ME the damn number however, ya bunch o freaken weirdos.

Her pic with the IDF shirt? She showed it to me.. I begged her to post it months ago just to see what the Smithraelites would do.

Understand something, Nina grew up in circles more priviledged than the average Joe, so she knows some of em. Plus - she lives in NY.

Nina is always one to give you the benefit of the doubt, that includes Daryl and the rest. Something many of us here know little about, myself included. Something we could use more of.

Nina kicks ass. And she has more balls than most people posting herein.

You're all insane.

Wows, the bilbos are festering fast and busting red-hot pus all over the place! Fuzzy, where you been so long? Sounds like you got the good goods; coulda-shoulda cleared this all up long ago. So much CHUM in da water, I bit my own ass six times awready.

I'm ringing da bells right now!

Who are you Geeez? You write so vague and mention no specifics. Granted, you confirm that which we already know regarding DBS's private telephone number being passed onto Joe Molero and that the hijacked thread "Ed Hass and the conversation in Hebrew" was turned into a staged fight, yet you mention no names and have suddenly appeared on this thread to do likewise. If people want clarity on this issue, and I'm assuming you're posting in this thread in the interest of clarity for the benefit of readers, then the entire record of emails regarding this issue raised by you, and 'crimes of Zion' shall be published at planetquo.net, that way everyone who's interested can make up their own minds up about who said what and when. Let's not loose track of this thread, which as I have already made clear is called "Daryl Bradford Smith Indicted" and not "Nina is Innocent". DBS needs to explain to his listeners how he can be manipulated to take down a link exposing deception by a 22 year old woman who is closely related to a Christian Zionist and a promoter of Ron Paul. It's not rocket science to see the glaring hypocricy nor do you need to be hard of hearing to hear the multitude of alarm bells ringing. The Masquerade Party has been gatecrashed so why not simply unmask yourself 'Geeez'? It will be far more embarrassing for you if someone else does it for you. Remember, if thousands of DBS listeners and supporters are being encouraged to not see these facts then your commitment to truth is a front. The ball is in Daryl's court but rather answer the obvious questions raised he goes on air and dribbles on about religion in a pathetic attempt to hopefully plant into the minds of his listeners the idea that the reasons why he sent Suzette those emails was because somehow he was being bombarded with religious nuts dribbling on about flying multi-armed hindu gods etc. Daryl is compromised, period. By his own judgment he would be heading for his own guillotine. Do you not think it unreasonable?

"Fuzzy, where you been so long?", asks Fester. Strange, but you don't know me Fester, at least not by your 'all new' identity. By what previous incarnation should I remember you as? Same applies to you, show yourself or blend back into the ether. You're a spook like the man with which this thread is dedicated to.

Fuzzy, gotta correct you on that one. I started this here thread for the purpose of drawing out and setting down the "evidence" against DBS et al. I'd noticed considerable innuendo but jack shit in the way of facts of a measurable, observable nature. You're offering up a mighty rich new stew of chum, but I won't be nibbling. Big time apologies.

Poseidon, we're just about come back to where we began. Golly, any idea when Pip might be ready to "share"?

"Finally, at 29:20, Piper says he's been sitting on some really hot stuff (re Smith / Hufschmid / Bollyn) for a long, long time, and one day he's gonna let it all hang out."

That if smith had any balls he would have a comment engine and run it like we do here BUT that would end his site if he stood in the wind and felt the breeze of truth. I think if he put one up it would be some of the funnest stuff to ever get posted on the net. That is why the MySpace BS courtesy the image of "Snuzette" the URL parrot. Come to think of it Why all the fake names when you post to this site Daryl? Do you think we all cannot see right through this computer thing as far as what someone has to say and why? Why not suck it up buttercup and admit that you are here to defend and promote hits to your URL from who know where MP3 show. All you can do is shoot your self in the head trying to come into public and force your muck into the light by using ghost names and spooked IP clones to hide. If your going to do anything i would start at your site and continue deleting untill your not serving any of the dog poop soup you so much love and quit taking the CIA pay cheque. Then perhaps you would look a hole lot less the RETARD.

I told you at Mathaba and i will tell you here "Your a lier" and the only thing you are doing is LYING TO YOURSELF. We are not going to let even one of your URL zombies to go unchallenged NOT ONE. Once a thief.... or something like that.

Sooner or later your going to have to realize you cannot play both sides and maintain any sort of creditability in this venue we are building here. Go and do that deleting before it's too late to mend your ways i will be the first to commend you.

Else:Suffer repeated beatings here at the hands of all that you have duped and are now wise to your methods and craft. I will not always be as busy as i am now and i can do some serious "What about this" If you push it Daryl.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Fugazi: Infensus Mentis a.k.a. Crimes of Zion a.k.a. Jamie Linton.

Nice one, Captain Obvious. Your effort to create the impression that I'm somehow trying to conceal my identity is transparently deceptive. Anyone who's read my first post on this thread knows that Crimes of Zion is Infensus Mentis is Jamie Linton. Go back and read the post, dipshit. It's all there. Even my hotmail email addy was published therein.

Evidently the fact that DBS has been compromised by a Christian Zionist via Nina is of no concern to you.

More deception. The falsehood is in the question itself, making the answer redundant. Has DBS been compromised by a Christian Zionist? Dunno, don't care. But your "via Nina" assertion is false, for reasons I've already explained. You would have us believe that Nina's mutual association with Molero and Smith is somehow tantamount to Zionist deception, or otherwise suspicious behaviour. It simply isn't. The only deception I've seen lately on this thread has come from you and PlanetQuo. You provide no evidence at all for your accusations, just a silly little video depicting photos of Nina with red lovehearts all over them. In fact, as everyone on this thread has seen, your evidence against Nina is nonexistent, because there simply is none.

Put up or shut up.

Can you explain why you are defending a 22 year old person who, not only is a friend of NOLAJBS aka Joe Molero, has contributed nothing in the war against the "crimes of Zion", wields so much power over DBS (not just a few phone calls as you suggest in your effort to minimize the damage, Eric confirmed this)and yourself,

Yeah, I can explain it. Because she's a friend of mine, and I won't listen to lies about my friends. This "so much power" crap is just that - crap.

why you promote Alex Jones, a Zionist denier and protector of the "crimes of Zion" along with other known suspect sites on your myspace profile.

I've already shown the readers of this thread my myspace profile. On it I've placed links to all the sites I've found helpful in my research, for the purposes of helping others to do their own. I just counted 29 banner-links, and only one leads to Jones, specifically the Jones Report. I'm hardly an Alex Jones cheerleader. The words "Alex Jones" don't even appear on my profile.

Now you come out of nowhere to defend a 22 year old woman who you claim to be a friend of, a friend that you would like to f*** over and over (as stated in you messages to Planetquo via myspace) simply because she responded to your initial contact.

More lies. I believe my words to PlanetQuo were "I'd love to fuck her". I still would, who wouldn't? But your "over and over" bullshit is a lie, designed to make me sound stupid, I presume. It aint gonna work.

Why not simply show yourself? All this hiding behind fancy images and names with hidden meanings in an attempt to sound somewhat mystical is painful if not comical.

Michael, Michael Michael. There you go again, being deceptive and trying to mislead the unwary. I've revealed my full name; you have not. Again, for the record, it's James Linton. What's yours?

And as far as "revealing myself" goes, I've been "revealed" since day one. I've already linked to my myspace profile from here, on which there are photographs of myself. Here is my picture page. Handsome, aren't I?

Readers of this thread know very well that I'm not "hiding behind fancy images and names with hidden meanings". You're full of shit, Michael, and it's here for everyone to see. The fact of the matter is, I have the truth on my side, and that being the case, you're fighting a war you just won't win, champ.

I'm well aware of what is happening here Jamie and you know that I do, it's just a shame that your head is filled with dick and not a brain to think critically which leads intelligent people to consider the possibility that you are either one of the useful idiots Eric keeps telling us about or you're simply a bad guy working to muddy the waters of clarity and truth.

Go and check the homepage of WUFYS, Michael. Two of my articles are posted there today (May 17 2007). Does it look like I'm "muddying the waters of clarity and truth"? I thought not. And where, might I ask, is your research? What are you contributing to the fight against Zionism? All I see you doing is picking on young girls like a bully, from a safe distance away, hiding behind your computer like a poofter.

If you imagine that I have anything more to contribute to this distraction within this thread, you're wrong.

You're right. You have nothing to contribute, you never did.

The thread is "Daryl Bradford Smith Indicted" and not "The Innocence of Nina"

Don't tell me what to post on this thread. I'll post what I like.

who has already been exposed as a double-minded close friend of a Christian Zionist who promotes Ron Paul who says that America deserved to be attacked and is a supporter of the official 911 cover story. Keep drooling Jamie, you're outed. Regards, Michael.

The only people exposing themselves on this thread are you and Quo, as complete idiots and possible agent provocateurs. Anyone reading this thread with a discerning mind can see which one of us is coming from a position of truth.

Now piss off and leave my friend alone.

http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/

So Fugazi, where's PlanetQuo? Has he sent you here to do his fighting for him? I just outed him as a complete and utter liar, he should be here defending himself if he has issues with the veracity of my assertions. I know he's been watching and reading all this, it's all he fucking does. He's the forum-busting "exposer" guy, doesn't miss a thing.

He vociferously reserves the right to demand answers from Daryl, so the sanctimonious prick had better come up with some of his own.

http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/

James says, "Let's examine the evidence against Nina in the video then.” The video was merely a means to convey what is contained in the actual article:
http://planetquo.net/WhoAreYou.htm
The content of the video is supported within the article with much more including all the threads that NOLAJBS hid from public scrutiny among other things. In response to your request to show myself, my name is Michael Stewart, the photo of me is in a previous post. Do you believe, Jamie, Alex Jones is a Zionist protector? Do you believe that it is important to expose deception wherever humanly possible? Some people regard exposing forums and message boards as trivial, would you agree considering so many people gather to these place to hopefully learn something? Would you not say that exposing the lies, hypocrisy and insanity of a men who potentially influences the lives of hundreds of people, if not thousands, not to mention asking them for money and donations, as DBS does, to run an "operation" that wouldn't cost a fraction of the alleged 4-5 hundred dollars a month with no accountability, except long distance calls to a 22 year old woman (not a little girl as you suggest considering what you say you'd like to do with her)in New York whilst never finding the time to email, let alone talk to those who are actively and consistently promoting and supporting his so-called "political movement". It must be fully understood that I, Jim nor Sue have exposed anything; we have merely highlighted that which is in plain view for all to see and have simply raised questions that require an answer. If people imagine for one minute that we can defeat our common enemy by sneaking and scurrying around in cyberspace hidden from view and accountability, not only from our so-called peers, but from our own conscience then we are truly defeated before we begin. I don't care for religion, but DBS fails to distinguish religion from those of good conscience and uses the religious angle to deflect any moral accountability away from himself. This is the mark of a coward. I know you don't care for DBS or Eric, but I thought a man of good conscience would want to examine the facts without bias in order that the many who are bewitched by this man can be prompted, as I was, to see above the facade that is The French Connection. Defending anybody, including DBS, on the grounds of the information they present is a trap that so many have fell into; I believe Eric calls them Goy pens of which 'The French Connection' is one of the most sophisticated. I believe that the logo for this site has the words, "The Truth Shall Set You Free". Truth is not something you can dissect and swallow just a small piece, that is only possible only within the realm of lies. Nor is truth just a bunch of text in cyberspace. I do not hide behind my PC as you allege. Some may do but I also do not disparage those who's only contribution to the fight is via the internet, we all have our place according to our gifts, talents and resources. It is not here for me to explain what contribution I put into the effort at large but it does not consist of hiding behind this cursed thing. The individuals who know me personally are well aware of what my contribution is in helping real human beings in the real world. My contribution via the internet you well know Jamie and have often left encouraging comments to the articles and posts I have made, and you know that 90% or more has been through my own research, analysis, interpretation and writing and not simply URL links or cut & paste jobs. Again I do not disparage that either. I believe all vital and educational material should be spread far and wide through whatever means is possible. I'm simply encouraging people to look outside the pen that they may be caught up in and not allow personal bias or pseudo-camaraderie blind them from what is the essential point of all this: honesty and truth. Your invited to address the facts at hand, I'm inconsequential:
http://planetquo.net/WhoAreYou.htm

Michael, do you really think I haven't been over the WhoAreYou? file? Of course I have, and therein lies my beef with PlanetQuo, and by extension, yourself.

There are two main reasons for this war: #1. The false (and I know for a fact they're false) allegations against Nina, whom I now consider a good friend. I know things that you don't Michael, you're just going to have to trust me. If I still trusted Jim, he might be privy to some of it, but he violated that trust, which I'll get to in a minute. With regard to my role in Nina's defense: think what you like about my "dick running my brain", but I'd do exactly the same for a male friend. And you know this firsthand, Michael; you bore witness to my involvement in the NOLAJBS war, which I fought in support of Jim Kerr aka PlanetQuo, because I considered him a friend. I wasn't there for my own reasons, he knows that. Furthermore, her private email to me and the fact that it found it's way onto a public forum is something I'm entirely responsible for, so needless to say, I feel more than a little bit obliged to refute all the subsequent claims that have arisen about her since it was leaked. Which leads me to #2. Regardless of what Jim aka PlanetQuo has told you about how or from whom or under what conditions he obtained the email from Nina that was posted on the NOLAJBS forum by Suzette, and later on his site, I can assure you, my version of events regarding our agreement about that email is accurate. I don't bullshit, Michael. I trusted him, and he fucked me over. Where I come from, you're only as good as your word, and by that standard, Jim Kerr is a piece of shit, and I'll never trust him again. Ever. PlanetQuo and I are now enemies, for good, notwithstanding a public apology, which you know as well I do will not be forthcoming.

I could sit here and debunk, point by point, his case against Nina, but who has the fucking time he has for such inane bullshit? Look at him, for fuck's sake. Look at this ridiculous folly. Surely you're lucid and human enough to see that the sort of dirt PlanetQuo digs up about people on his little forum-stalking forays is the same kind of shit the fucking GOP digs up to smear opponents, not what you do to people online. It's petty and ridiculous, and he's a snivelling little cunt who deserves a headbutt in the face for it.

Look at the link he provides as supposed evidence of her "regular telephone contact with Madthumbs"

From his "Nina Expose":

""But since Nina has already confirmed that she is an associate of, and has had regular telephone contact with Madthumbs, it would be highly improbable for Nina to not already know of Smith's alleged heavy drinking/alcoholism. Whippette merely reiterated what had already been made common knowledge by Matthew Benedict and Phil Jayhan."

See what spurious codswallop he passes off as "evidence"? Or does he just fill up these "exposes" with a gazillion arbitrary hyperlinks because he knows no one has the time or inclination to bother clicking on them all? Because let's face it, Michael, the public interest value of these insipid, protracted writeups of his is exactly fucking nil.

Another example is his bombshell about Nina being located in Berlin. She was accessing his site through a proxy server for fuck's sake, did he ever think of that? No, he didn't. So once again, someone else pays the price for the stupidity of PlanetQuo.

And the "IDF summer camp" allegation... please, don't get me started on that again. Just one more debunked "smoking gun" from the man Daryl Bradford Smith called the "idiot savant". And yes, that's firsthand information, from well before Quo went public with his beef with Smith. I've seen a screenshot of it.

I could go on and on, Michael, but I think you get the point. Yes, I respect some of the work you've done. And yup, I agree with a lot of the points in your last post. But at the end of the day mate, you're just another a sheep, an impressionable type that's been led astray just as readily as the "goy pen" inhabitants you refer to, by this disingenous "friend" of yours, Jim Kerr.

Nina is just another human being, man, and a fucking quality one, if you ask me. Believe it or don't, it's up to you. I'm done giving a fuck anymore.

All I can tell you is look and think twice next time before you follow the next idiot into fantasy land at someone else's expense.

http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/

I pick todays fresh steamy one May 17 and fire it into the player. Can this guy stutter and halt speak some more?. Do these guys actualy drill there scripts? Same noise signatures. As i thought the Bollyn thing was to add a new feel to an old tired dog. I notice that Daryl Et Al are starting to gate keep the Micron Particle issue. The Micron particle filled smoke plumes were FULL of them all right Uranium Dioxide particles he sure did not let that slip. They sure went close to that point though. I bet after the U-238 Dampers in WTC 1&2 issue gets first light they will point to the May 17 th show and say see what did we say. Only they are poaching Masher1's theory on the reasons for the 2 month 8+ week fires that caused all this molten steel to be under all (3) three implosions.

So gatekeeping Check
The weird studio setup. Check
The coached dialog (I would say Drilled talking points) Check
The Bollyn thing is sort of new but as i have said "New face Old dog".

Who is trusting these folks? Where is the Eric,Daryl and bollyn show going?

Oh and you I am the Wittless bobble heads are NOT doing RADIO so quit saying you are already. Sheeesh.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Millions of people have realized that 9/11 was a false flag operation, but how many of them have read a book on 9/11?

There are a lot of 9/11 books; there are even more 9/11 websites. But how many people were swayed by a website mostly dedicated to character assassinations on prominent figures in the movement, compared to genuine truth sites that aim to present the facts rather than stir up trouble?

Germar Rudolf's work is great, but it focuses exclusively on The Holocaust, doesn't it?

Not entirely. He wrote an article debunking the "Apollo landings were a hoax" theory, for instance. And the last edition of The Revisionist that he managed to send out before his arrest included a piece showing how the "holocaust" allows the ruling elite and the bankers to maintain their stranglehold of compound interest and debt slavery. The "holocaust" taboo deters objective research of Hitler's system of dealing with other countries through barter transactions, and provides the corrupt elite with an ideological "air superiority".

How does it then "vastly surpass the collective works of TFC/Bollyn"?

Rudolf's revisionist work vastly surpasses the collective works of TFC/Bollyn on revisionism. Specialists in other fields vastly surpass TFC and Bollyn.

Are you trying to say that Jim Hoffman is not a Zionist denier?

He's a Zionist denier, but not all Zionist deniers are Zionist agents.

The only problem with TFC is that for some reason they have gone way too far and have "identified" many innocent people.

The reason being that they themselves are agent provocateurs.

But what Alex Jones does is discourage anyone else from treating the broken leg [exposing Zionism]. Furthermore, he does everything he can to make everyone think there is no broken leg in the first place. Do you see the enormous difference?

Although the Zionists are greatly over-represented in serious crime and were the principal players in 9/11, some folk genuinely have a blind spot with Israel, Jews and Zionism. They fail to see the elephant in the room.

Theories such as "the Jesuits did it" are ridiculous, because it's the Zionists who control the press, who have the most money, who have land-based nukes and sub-launched nuclear warheads, control the premier international terrorist group "al Qaeda" aka the Mossad, and have established a reputation as dangerous psychopaths whose nuclear blackmail must be respected. If Israelis suddenly turned over a new leaf and stopped carrying out all manner of atrocities such as using unarmed children for target practice, that would deplete World Jewry's power. It is convenient for them that so many Israelis have the morals of an alley cat and the compassion of the Virginia Tech shooter.

So there are four types of people: (1) The sheeple. Those who believe what they read in the Zionist press and think that "Arab hijackers" did 9/11. (2) The Zionist deniers. They have ascended to the first rung on the ladder. They know something is wrong with MSM and govt accounts of major events, but have a blind spot with Zionism and end up suspecting the government / Jesuits / Saudis / Russians. (3) The disinfo agent misidentifiers. The second rung features many of those who have correctly fingered the Zionists as the culprits. However, this group has a problem distinguishing between the real McCoy and decoys devised to confuse and divert. Decoys can pose as "Zionist exposers" in the hope that some will take them at face value. Once they have their followers, they will feed some disinfo or present themselves as the only true truth tellers. (4) The disinfo agent identifiers. On the third rung, they should be able to see that Ernst Zundel and Mike Piper, for example, are the real McCoy - genuine anti-Zionists. And they should be able to see that an alcoholic teamed up with a jew and a dodgy ex-journalist, who, collectively, claim that dozens of genuine truth tellers are fake, are fakes themselves.

Alex Jones is not trying to cover up the fact that WTC7 was demolished. He is trying to cover up the fact that Zionists/Mossad demolished it. And you know this.

There is no denying that he's a Zionist denier and a possible agent. Eric Hufschmid, on the other hand, is a Zionist denier and is an agent.

I doubt anybody, not even Hufschmid himself, would believe there are millions of agents. A few thousands at most -- possibly as few as in the low hundreds, as I've mentioned before.

Here is what Eric says:

The Zionist movement may have hundreds of thousands -- possibly millions -- of members, so identifying a few dozen is actually identifying only a tiny percentage of them.

http://anonymouse.org/cgi-bin/anon-www.cgi/http://www.iamthewitness.com/...

And here is what I said on this thread about 4 weeks ago:

"I wouldn't dispute your estimate of such paid agents numbering in the low hundreds. Jews who volunteer to defend Israel would extend well into the thousands."

I came here about a day before this thread was linked to on TFC. What would make you suspect I am an agent/shill? I think I have more reasons to believe you are a shill than you have to believe I am.

It was the timing of your entry into the thread, your blog entry which seemed to have been largely copied from mercury.com where it had appeared the previous day almost word for word, and your knowledge of the Piper vs. DBS issues. Your subsequent comments lead me to believe that you are in the group of innocent people who are on "rung two" of the ladder (q.v. above). If you are an "agent", you are much better than Fester / lotus and the rest!

I think I have more reasons to believe Smith / Hufschmid / Bollyn are shills than you have to believe I am. It would be a bizarre double standard to suppose that I was a Zionist agent for saying that the terrible trio are agent provocateurs - after they had already accused Rimland, Rivero, Zundel, Piper, Glenn, Duke, Rudolf et al of being Zionist agents!! - yet they can somehow attack all of these innocent people without it serving as evidence of their own deception.

Is your claim that TFC trio are Zionist agents, then, not contradicted by their exposing of Zionism in their radio/audio shows and website?

No. They deliberately choose not to expose Zionism to a large audience, e.g. Eric's book and video, or Chris Bollyn's reply of "I wish I knew" to CNN when asked who did 9/11. When they do 'expose' Zionism to a few internet listeners, this is just a few morsels tossed to keep up the illusion, info that others have already exposed.

we have TFC's allegations that Zundel, Rimland, Rudolf, Rivero, Piper, Glenn, Duke, Rodriguez, Steven Jones and all the rest are Zionist agents,

And this, I maintain, is the evidence upon which all other alleged evidence is based.

The other "alleged" evidence is not based or dependent upon their attacks on innocent anti-Zionists. All the individual items or data points serve to reinforce and corroborate each other, supporting the theory that the Eric Hufschmid operation is a Zionist-run operation.

their contradiction-riddled claims such as Bollyn being the biggest exposer of Zionism whilst at AFP which was "Zionist-controlled"

It may not necessarily be percieved as a contradiction by them.

If they are clever enough to identify all these Zionist agents and discern truth from lies, yet they cannot see the contradiction in a Zionist-controlled newspaper allowing one of its reporters to expose Zionist involvement in 9/11, that in itself would be another contradiction!

It may be that Zionists have less control over AFP than has been suggested, and got Willis Carto to fire Bollyn just after the police assault, using Hufschmid's convenient accusations as the perfect excuse.

It doesn't make sense that they would wait for a full 5 years, allowing Bollyn to carry on exposing them, and then have a frantic scramble to get Carto / Petherick to fire him late in 2006 after he had established a following and a name for himself.

I do find it strange that the Zionists would allow Bollyn to go that far in exposing their role in 9/11. But according to you, they've gone way further than that with TFC!

Of the trio, Bollyn was always the best exposer of Zionist involvement in 9/11. But it's the Smithsonians who say that TFC and Bollyn have exposed a great deal; I would say that they expose just enough to appear convincing. And then, if Bollyn hadn't got a story, it would have gone to someone else like Piper.

He didn't run from them; he walked away to get his brother, he says. There was no reason for the cops to force him down to the floor, and much less to taser him.

The cops thought he was going to get a weapon, so they disabled him. The brother didn't even give him a lift home, but did Bollyn really imagine that the cops would agree to have his brother as mediator or something?

Also, Hufschmid says a lot about The Holocaust on his website.

Not as much as Germar Rudolf or Ernst Zundel. And Hufschmid doesn't get parcel bombs sent to his home.

The Zionists use pedophiles, which are easy to control.

But it's not feasible that Piper, Carto, Zundel, Rudolf, Duke, Rivero, Glenn, Rodriguez, Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan, President Ahmadinejad, etc, are mostly all pedophiles.

leading on of guests to come up with any dirt they can on a third party,

That's certainly not how it sounds like,

That's how it sounds to me in general, although the Mullins saga is bizarre.

So an old man posing for a photograph that was going to be taken anyway, is a connection to him? It's not like it's a secret that David Rockefeller attends the Bilderberg meeting every year.

Rockefeller not only let Bollyn photograph him, but stopped to chat in the park. And Bollyn was representing an anti-Zionist or even "anti-Semitic" newspaper that was totally against the NWO!

Only according to Piper and a supposed PI that AFP hired to investigate Bollyn. Hey, I thought Bollyn was working for the CIA! Why money from overseas, then?

He does appear to have a lot of intriguing connections.

To me it looks like just that: paranoia.

He has been trying to warn people about infiltrators and agents for years, and his attempts have been very much in vein.

Yet when he had the chance, he deliberately chose to avoid any mention of Zionism in his book and video.

I agree. However, that doesn't make them agents. Here you're being deceptive: You say "and all the rest", yet you only name the ones that are less likely to be agents. You didn't name Alex Jones or Jeff Rense.

It's TFC's naming of the unlikely ones that demonstrate that they are agents or idiots. Naming Alex Jones or Rense as agents reveals little.

Unlike what Piper has claimed, they have referred to Scientology a few times, calling it a cult. And why would they be Scientologists, anyway? I must've missed that part.

The Scientology theory is Piper's idea, based on the premise that the Church is Zionist-owned and Mossad-controlled. It could help to explain how a fake "anti-Zionist" outfit can attract a cult following.

Piper's May 17 show has a bit about what Piper calls Bollyn's "intellectual dishonesty". Bollyn published a letter from Ellen Mariani purporting to show that she supported him. But he asked her to represent him and she refused until he "got his act together", e.g. broke away from TFC. Hufschmid says Mariani is a "Zionist". Piper also mentions that Suzette the Whippette has withdrawn her long-time support for the "gruesome threesome".

Fester said:

Poseidon, we're just about come back to where we began. Golly, any idea when Pip might be ready to "share"?

Piper said that "there's been something that's rattling around for some time that we really have got to address this year": the Final Solution to the Hufschmid Conundrum.

The gruesome threesome are living on borrowed time.

It's rich, it's thick. It's full o' herring and hairballs and a buckets and buckets of pus, but darn it's our very own CHUM smorgasbord.

Best of the Breaking News:

Old St. Pipe is gonna let it ALL HANG OUT on his arch enemy one o' these days. He's even THINKIN' about getting ready to really cut loose wid dem beans.

Wait, I caught a little whiff...it's coming in clearer now...yes, Oh God, yes, yes.."Daryl B. Smith is a BOLD liar...and..and...and St. Pipe knows it for a FACT!"

Po, do tell Pipe not to strain himself. He been scooped already.

Meanwhile, we're right back where we started:

Smith has an outstanding library of files detailing the history and current operations of the Zionists. Simply the best place for the clueless (not spineles clueless) to begin to get up to speed. (NB - Pidcock and others are historians NOT reporters and so they have presented the material they have. Their absence is not evidence of any sort except to the obtuse/zio-trolls.)

ON the other hand, he cusses people out (email too!), argues with people who were his friends, and may be a little paranoid (fuck, there's nothing to be worried about), and he likes booze. A simply appalling record supported by a symphony of the purest flatus.

Gosh, it's all so confusing.

The Gospel Truth is on the Way - of the Truth and the Light !
Here it comes, right down the Pied Pipers' Purple Poopshoot !

UAZ: This thread has turned into a mishmash of personal diatribes, meaningless accusations and insinuations.

Meaningless accusations and insinuations is accurate. I agree that it's regrettable that this thread has degenerated into what it has. But, UAZ: I'm not about to sit by while PlanetQuo uses this thread as a forum to spread lies and bullshit about a friend of mine. Would you?

The impression an onlooker/newbie would get from these latest posts is that we're all mentally unstable jerks. Your personal quibbles and vulgarity make you look like bratty kids.

People aren't stupid, generally speaking. They'll judge this site by virtue of it's merit, not by the inane "personal quibbles" and nonsense in the comment section of Fester's blog. This is an excellent site. No amount of peripheral drivel will alter that reality.

Nevertheless, I apologise to qrswave and the rest of you that would rather bullshit like this didn't go down here. But for as long as PlanetQuo and his ilk continue to use this place to proliferate their lies and deception, I'll be here to set the record straight, as I see it.

In any case, whatever (or whoever) is causing all this childish in-fighting, it serves only to distract us from the real issues. We will never succeed in stopping the Zionists if we behave like paranoid nutcases, casting doubt upon anyone and everyone at the first "suspicion" that crosses our minds. Rushing to judgement based upon a few personal misgivings or some perceived suspicious activity is not only counter-productive, but self-destructive.

This has been my point all along. And as far as "whatever (or whoever)" the source of all this "childish in-fighting" goes, I would hope that it's pretty obvious it's not me.

http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/

So fester You say above "Smith has an outstanding library of files detailing the history and current operations of the Zionists. Simply the best place for the clueless (not spineles clueless) to begin to get up to speed. (NB - Pidcock and others are historians NOT reporters and so they have presented the material they have. Their absence is not evidence of any sort except to the obtuse/zio-trolls.)"

No fester Daryl has a bunch of files without much of any work of Daryl's and a smattering of a WHOLE bunch of other people's work parroted on the MP3 files as HIS or OUR research when it is in most cases Smiths repackage of other more robust and documented sources. All with his own special BIAS of course. Then think that Daryl is not an investigator he is a commentator and a very poor one at that. Investigators usually do something to further there investigations. Just what is Daryl doing other than waisting everyones time and talking endlessly on and on about the surface of the issues and never gets to into the real details. I have to commend Posidon for taking so much time doing all that HTML Quotes posting to help swim the murk of Smith. So fester can you list any Smith scoops? Stuff Smith is documented to have revealed first? How about just 3 things (Three) that the Trio has broken and brought to light first. Three things documented to have broken into the truth movement one from each that should not be too hard eh?

You can do that Fester?
First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

It's very simple. Information has been gathered together that raise serious questions regarding the credibility and motives of DBS. If the same information applied to Piper, Jones, Stadtmiller, Rivero etc, then this would have been all over the front page at TFC. DBS and Eric have sent more to their imaginary guillotine on far less evidence that what is presented against him. Again in his latest chatter he implies that his attackers are religious nut job. Nothing could be further from the reality of it. DBS has been compromised via Nina and Joe Molero. Why do you think he refuses to name Joe Molero on his broadcast? To limit the damage he has only stuttered that the reason that "NOLOJOBBS" is suspicious because they have a link to the 'New American' newspaper. He even got that wrong and were it not for the respectable Jim Condit Jr (a religious nut job by DBS's definition) correcting DBS by saying its not the 'New American' but the 'American Spectator' another piece of misinformation, however trivial, would have gone unchecked. The point is DBS fails to mention Joe Molero's connections with Christian Zionism and Prison Planet via Joseph Watson. If this alone does not raise a red flag then why are we bothering to expose deception at all? The fact is, DBS does nothing at TFC other than rant. He is the voice alone that helps carry Eric's political and social commentary along. DBS claims that he requires around $400-$500 a month to run his "operation". Anyone who has a website knows that this is not the case as the amount of sites on the internet would probably be reduced to at least a third of what is already out there. He claims Skype does not network for him (perhaps because Skype would reveal his real location?), so he insists on using a landline. Even with the use of a landline you can get deals in which you can call overseas etc for only a few dollars an hour so the idea that he requires this amount is ridiculous and is nothing more than a money grabbing exercise. If he requires the money then the question that arises is what for? It's no secret that DBS was an (the) executive chef at the Rainbow Room situated at the Rockefeller Plaza at one time, a place that would have also catered for his love for Jazz. This may seem innocent at first glance until you discover that two former executive chef's I can name are CIA trained. Why would the exe chefs at this gig be CIA trained? When you realize the kinds of people who frequent the Rainbow Room are the likes of David Rockefella and CFR members amongst others it's not hard to figure out why this would be the set up. For example the Queen's personal chef and staff, if they are not already handpicked from various 'trusted' Intel or military organizations and if they are not they are sure as hell briefed by them with strict codes of secrecy. I offer up this as an invite for anyone interested to do further investigation, after all, I'm in Australia and my resources, except for the internet, are limited. Here are a couple of links that may get you started:
http://www.starchefs.com/Summer/99/AWilkinson/bio.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Room
It's not long before you begin to see what I refer to if you study the names and links etc. Even if this angle is not valid it is worthy of attention as it sure as hell fills in a lot of gaping hole in who he claims to be, for instance, he claims to be able to trace his ancestry back to the Mayflower. This may be true, but the amount of Americans I have heard say this would suggest that the Mayflower was akin to a fully laden QE2! Again, he plays the 'Patriot Game'. Then he claims he WAS a Professor? I always thought that once a Professor always a Professor. If he WAS a professor then what happened to make him a former one? and what was he a professor of?, politics?, religion?, science?. In a nutshell,???????????????? Eric tells us to investigate the investigators, no blind obedience, no exceptions, as long as it doesn't apply to DBS. The moment he gets wind that he is under investigation or even suspicion then he retaliates in the most vulgar and deviously manipulative fashion and that alone should give you a clue as to the mentality of DBS. An honest man would not have put himself into a situation to be under suspicion at the first place by being so evasive and vague about himself. For example listen again to the broadcast from 14 Fed 2006 in which he claims he was visited by a man of mid-east appearance bearing an aerial photograph of his farmhouse. DBS claims this man SPOKE with a "middle eastern accent" before telling us how he chased him down the road with a rifle. Whilst doing this he managed to get a partial glimpse of his car license plate and promptly reported this to the local police and even the French secret service. DBS claims that this visit coincided with unknown people allegedly digging into his dustbins. He tells us that a neighbor spotted this/these strangers and alerted him. First off, his neighbor must have great eyesight in order to spot an alleged intruder in the dark of night in his remote farmhouse! I live in a semi-remote area of Australia and can assure you that I CANNOT SEE A THING at night except the stars and the distant lights of other homes. But then again, in the conversation he had with Chris and Eric (3rd May 2007), he claims that the rain around his place has been so much that its spilt out onto the street. As I say I live in a fairly remote area and there's no streets here, just roads (if you could call them that). Going back to the conversation he had with this bulldog looking man of middle eastern appearance he says nothing about what was actually said. The fact is, DBS is using the old AJ technique of fear. Incidentally, he claims that the strange going-ons happened around the time that he first began talking about the Chabad-Lubavitch connection in all this. What's funny about this is that he is strongly implying, if not actually saying, that these old decrepit Rabbis are sending out people fitting the classic profile of an assassin out to warn off people from revealing their secret plans, YET has no hesitation to laugh off the idea that Jesuit priests, whom he describes as largely a bunch of old guys in their seventies hobbling around in walking frames, could wield any power to do likewise. I don't subscribe to this Jesuit view much either, but you get the point. That said, if there is a strong Jesuit connection, which DBS flatly rejects, then surely we would not be privy to much information about it would we given the magnitude of what would be involved if it was so as Phelps and others put forward. As I say I don't subscribe to putting to much focus on this angle myself simply on the grounds that the Vatican don't control the supply of money, which is at the heart of the control. To round this up I simply encourage others to examine the evidence put forward and not be misled into thinking that this is an attack on any person in particular, it just so happens that the people involved need to simply explain and give an account, instead all we are seeing is the same tactics employed by politicians and mainstream media and I thought we were a little more intelligent than that. In a nutshell, answer the questions raised at hand DBS. This manufactured thread is nothing more than an engineered attempt to placate those who would raise similar questions and concerns. It's all very well people maintaining support for DBS on the information alone, but as Greg Felton said in the interview DBS conducted on 23rd Oct 2006 "the information on your site contains nothing that isn't freely available anywhere else on the internet". Incidentally and more important this is the only, I stress, ONLY broadcast that mentions those words that no-one dare utter..CLEAN BREAK. And this was uttered from the lips of Felton, not DBS. In fact DBS was clueless about it(?). It was me who sent the link to Eric and DBS regarding Grant Smith's excellent breakdown of the CLEAN BREAK document, which appeared for a short time at iamthewitness. I then sent the video discussion of it to appear on DBS's myspace profile and alas, it never appeared. I sent it again and alas it never appeared...HELLO!! Start answering questions DBS or the guillotine awaits, I ain't fucking around here, because it strongly stinks of a classic operation to self-implode by design thus sinking the information, or the credibility of it, with it. In the real world DBS would be arrested and quizzed on the strength of the circumstantial evidence alone if was in relation to an investigation of a criminal nature (and by Eric's definition this is of a criminal nature). Has he not hung out to dry many people on less evidence? Lets not forget the self-confessed Christian Bollyn (who DBS rides on the back of), who cares not that Eric puts hardcore porn (violent exploitation of young woman/girls actually) on his CD Rom with the instruction to Copy and Distribute. Nor has his "Christian" conscience been pricked as to why he still maintains his connections with DBS who sends emails of a virulent ant-Christian nature to a woman who's only crime, besides supporting him loyally, suggests that he be investigated in light of his constant lengthy calls to a 22 year old woman, whilst having no time or desire to even email people who actually support, defend and contribute to the French Connection. COME ON!!!
Is it going to take a trip to France to out this guy personally, because I will have no hesitation in doing so for the sake of my own conscience. WHERE'S YOURS?????????????????

MASHER, one of your finest posts. My only suggestion is that you get yourself a reading tutor. Main idea, inferencing, word decoding, etc. all seem to be pretty low, but I expect your SIEGE of NEW YORK has taken most of your free time. Multitask, dude, multitask.

Was tempted to call you a paid shill, but the notion of anyone paying for your efforts isn't plausible.

I'll retire and you may resume blithering n now.

Fuzzy, that's a deep festerin pile you dropped on us. I won't venture in too deep except to mention that the well-known Culinary Institute of America on the Hudson turns out dozens of "spooks" every year. I personally know two of them.

Fester, are you DBS? The comment is for DBS. Are you unable to act on your own velocity? If you feel it absolutely necessary to come to the defense of this man then perhaps you can answer the questions that are being raised instead of further embarrassing yourself posting silly images and deflecting attention away from the issue at hand here. You can start by revealing your real identity plus photo of yourself, unless the photo of the croc is you. Only then will you have any credibility at all. Until then you are nothing more than an html code of insignificance. Now, address the questions raised, remember that it was you who insigated this thread.

Fuzzy, yeah, it's "my own velocity." You could start by explaining WTF that statement was intended to mean or you could blow me instead.

You're a johnny-come-lately as far as this partikler thread goes, so spare me the preaching.

I have no intention of wading through the pile of shit you've blessed us with, but I do look forward to plenty more buckets over the side from you and yours.

Don't like the pictures? See the instructions above old chum.

Fester, it surprises nobody here that you would personally know two CIA spooks. The "festering pile" has been heaped on you, not "us". You are alone in your inability to see sense. I would assume that personally knowing two spooks would qualify you to provide a more intelligent response, such as actually addressing the questions with evidence if you can refute what is presented within your thread

The "festering pile" has been heaped on DBS. You obviously enjoy taking responsibility for it being heaped onto yourself. Do you often volunteer to have "festering piles" of shit fall upon yourself when it is clearly aimed at someone else? Such behavior may lead free thinking minds to reasonably assume that you are DBS. Now where have I heard the word "festering" before........Answer the questions raised.

Fuzzy, try sounding out the big words. It's your steaming pile. Don't throw a tantrum if no one is interested in cleaning up after you.

Now, class can't continue unless you're able to follow the instructions. Go back and try again. Biting the tongue as one concentrates is sometimes helpful.

Fester, you may have the monumental privilege of being the instigator of this thread, a thread in which your role of defending DBS is totally irrelevant in the face of the facts presented. May I suggest you start another thread elsewhere in cyberspace. You could name it, "The delights of festering corruption". Your not even part of this debate anymore as any ground for coming to the aid of DBS is well and truly sunk in the mud. Face it Fester you’re outed, not by me or anyone else for that matter, but by the evidence presented. It's simply left up to DBS to come clean and explain himself. The entire readership of this thread know that your either a useful idiot or an agent of some ilk so why not save face and re-invent yourself elsewhere in your electronic playground. In the meantime will DBS answer the questions raised about him. Simple.

Treason and fraud for starters.

Grow up Fester and address the issue at hand. Its game over, case closed and DBS knows it. If DBS knows it then why can't you? Your behavior goes beyond that of a useful idiot. You're an embarrassment to the clown industry. For the benefit of newcomers to this thread here is what is presented regarding the indictment of Daryl Bradford Smith:

http://planetquo.net/WhoAreYou.htm

Wouldn't want it getting buried or Faheyd away now would we?

Fugazi, to Fester:

the entire readership of this thread know that your either a useful idiot or an agent of some ilk so why not save face and re-invent yourself elsewhere in your electronic playground. In the meantime will DBS answer the questions raised about him. Simple.

Smith's not the only one who needs to pipe up with some answers, bud. PlanetQuo owes us an explanation too. The questions you've raised about Smith on this thread are valid ones, but since they originate from Jim Kerr who is a proven liar, how can we trust his motives? Personally, I believe you're sincere about what you're saying and I have no reason to believe you're dishonest, but a) I know for a fact that you're wrong about Nina, and b) the other allegations and information you present about Smith is coming from PlanetQuo, who is, as I just mentioned, demonstrably full of shit.

Why are you demanding answers from Daryl Bradford Smith but not Jim Kerr, aka PlanetQuo? Isn't that a bit hypocritical? Do you doubt the authenticity of the email material I presented as evidence of his conniving, lowlife nature, or do you just not care? If he was willing to lie and fuck me over when we were good friends, do you really believe he won't eventually do the same to you? Or to anyone, for that matter. A liar is a liar.

But most importantly, what gives him the right to claim the high moral ground over Smith, and demand that he answer these allegations when he won't answer ours?

PlanetQuo needs to stop hiding away like a pussy and voyeuring on this thread and face me on this shit. Until then (and forevermore, let's face it), he'll remain a fucking disgrace and a liability to your position on Smith and whatever else you stand for.

http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/

Crimes of Zion says "Why are you demanding answers from Daryl Bradford Smith but not Jim Kerr, aka PlanetQuo? Isn't that a bit hypocritical?"

Then start a new thread called "Planetquo indicted"

Crimes of Zion says "Do you doubt the authenticity of the email material I presented as evidence of his conniving, lowlife nature, or do you just not care?"

Where is the email evidence in question you speak of?

Crimes of Zion says "But most importantly, what gives him the right to claim the high moral ground over Smith, and demand that he answer these allegations when he won't answer ours?"

I'm the one calling for answers from Smith.

Crimes of Zion says "PlanetQuo needs to stop hiding away like a pussy and voyeuring on this thread and face me on this shit."
Tell that to Jim.

Crimes of Zion says "Until then (and forevermore, let's face it), he'll remain a fucking disgrace and a liability to your position on Smith and whatever else you stand for."
Nothing to do with my stand on Smith, everything to do with the evidence against him.

Crimes of Zion says "A liar is a liar."

You got that right. Anyone with half ounce of brain can work out who is and who isn't on this thread. The material presented is confirmed by Nina, Eric and Smith himself. Which brings me to the main point of this thread which is my challenge to DBS to answer the questions that this material asks of him. Some things in life are so simple that we often miss them. Better to be hated for what you are than praised for what you're not. The silence is deafening Daryl.

I'd assumed you'd seen this post, but evidently I was wrong. It's on page 4 of this thread.

By the way, if you don't trust that these excerpts are real, I'll be happy to forward them to you. Here's the post from page 4 reproduced in full:

* * *

Jim Kerr of planetquo.com, the great forum-stalking exposer-guy, is either an outright liar or straight up delusional. I was friends with Jimbo until just recently, when he accused me of spreading disinformation via my myspace profile, because he doesn't approve of some of the sites I link to. According to Jim, if you link to 9/11 sites that don't vociferously declare that Israel was behind the attacks, you're a disinfo agent. His penchant for unwarranted finger-pointing and gratuitous accusations is second only to that of Eric Hufschmid. I didn't really give a shit when the finger started pointing at me, but now that the stupid old cunt's started posting lies about my friend Nina on his rapidly-declining-in-relevance website and on this thread, the time's come to do some "exposing" of my own.

PlanetQuo: I was amused when I heard Daryl Bradford Smith say that he believes you to be Scott Makufka a.k.a. Victor Thorn. I reckon that you're Debus posting under another pseudonym, but I bet you'll deny it - just like Nina a.k.a. A Possum Princess from NOLAJBS denies that she knows Madthumbs. Nina, incidentally is the girl who likes to pose for the camera while wearing an IDF T-shirt.

I doubt though if she's told Daryl Bradford Smith of her support for the Israel Defence Forces during their telephone conversations. I'm sure he'll find out soon enough though. In fact, I know he will. Daryl has been keeping some bad company....tsk tsk. Shame be upon him.

You're keeping very bad company too Poseidon. A self-confessed Jewish shill and a participant in an IDF summer camp is not the kind of company such a fine researcher and writer as your good self should be mingling with. One does tend to be judged by the company that one keeps, you know.

Jim aka PlanetQuo would have you all believe that Nina, my 22yr old friend currently residing in New York, "attended an IDF summer camp". Here are some quotes from Jim's ridiculous too-much-time-on-his-hand doesn't-get-out-enough Nina expose:

"Why is Daryl Bradford Smith having regular telephone conversations with a 22-year old woman who states that she attended an IDF summer camp?"

"Daryl Bradford Smith urgently needs to explain his relationship with the young woman who likes to be photographed wearing IDF T-shirts and dining on pages of the Talmud. How did Smith become acquainted with a supporter of the Israel Defence Forces in the first place?"

What Jim's referring to is a photo that Nina herself posted on a thread in the NOLAJBS forum. The caption was

"Oh, so it IS okay for me to share my experience in IDF summer camp? I'm grateful that this forum provides such a hospitable warm environment to come clean. Thanks...."

It was in response to this post, from an idiot going by the name of Quo Vadius, aka Donnie Darko:

"My sister went to Israel. Worked on a Kibbutz. I should have killed her on her return.

My friend has barbecues with a former Israeli fighter pilot. I should assassinate him immediately.

I walked past a Jewish guy once. I should have vomited and washed myself with acid immediately.

Your amazing logic is noted.

See your psychiatrist."

Can anyone besides the delusional Jim Kerr not see that it was a joke? Or is Jim not delusional at all, but trying to deliberately mislead the readers of his painfully boring and inane "expose"? One thing's for sure; either Jimbo's incredibly fucking dumb, or he's a bullshit artist.

Oh, and Poseidon is Debus, too, according to Jim. Who else besides Jimbo believes that?

Anyway, all that aside, I happen to have proof that Jim aka PlanetQuo is a lowlife liar, even if he is stupid. A couple of weeks ago I offered Jim some information about Daryl Bradford Smith that I'd obtained through email correspondence with Nina, on the condition that he keep it to himself. After getting Nina's permission to pass on the info, I wrote to Jim thusly (excerpt from an email):

"I have a fair bit of information from Nina that I'll pass on to you if you can assure me that it will be used for your interest only. No publishing on your site, no sharing with Hufschmid, no fucking around. I don't want her to be seen to be weighing in on it, especially via me."

This is the first paragraph of his response, excerpted from his rather lengthy reply:

From: planetquo@hotmail.co.uk

Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2007 6:36:23 AM
To: jamie linton (jmzlinton@hotmail.com)

Hi Jamie,
I give you my word that any information that you give me regarding Nina aka 'A Possum Princess' will not be published on any of my websites or shared with Eric Hufschmid. Nina is under investigation. I am interested solely in her relationships with Daryl Bradford Smith and Joe Molero and Madthumbs.

I trusted Jim, I had no reason not to. I considered him a good friend and a man of his word. So I forwarded an email I'd received from Nina to him, unedited and in full. What a mistake that was. In the next email he sent me, he asked my permission to show Daryl Bradford Smith the email:

"Smith needs to explain himself and answer the questions that I will be asking him. If he is clean, he has nothing to hide. In view of this, will you give me permission to reveal the information without naming my source. Smith does not need to know where my information came from. All he needs to know is what Nina has said. He will know whether or not she is telling the truth."

So he was already looking to break the deal, but at least it was looking like I had a choice in the matter. So I asked Nina in a myspace message:

----------------- Original Message -----------------
From: Infensus Mentis
Date: May 2, 2007 12:01 AM

Nina - Quo is asking for my permission to share some of the info (whatever it may be that he's interested in, I don't know) with Daryl, yay or nay?

And from her, I got this reply:

From: Nina
Date: 01 May 2007, 10:15 PM

oh? HAha im pretty sure some such discussions have already taken place.... ;) why he's asking permission now, i'm not sure. (btw, if you'd rather not serve as courier, you can let planetquo know that he is welcome to contact me directly. i'm certain you've got more important and interesting things to attend to.)

cheers, Nina"

So it seemed he'd already spilled his guts. Unimpressed, I emailed him with the above quote from from Nina, with "it looks like you've already spilled the beans" at the bottom. It was at that point that he became hostile, deleted me from myspace, and accused me of being disinfo on account of the links to "deceptive sites" on my myspace profile. Conspicuously absent was any sort of denial about his "spilling the beans" and breaking his word. An excerpt from my reply:

My last email to you was "looks like you've spilled the beans", and now I get this. Not a direct answer, but this. And don't you fucking pretend that our deal was for you not to share it VERBATIM; the deal was for you not to share it at all, you conniving bastard. I believe my words were "for your interest only". But you broke that word, didn't you. So that you could run over to Daryl and be the hero that saves him from Nina, the 22 year old girl that you're making an arch-nemesis out of in your silly fucking doesn't-get-out-enough imagination.

Shortly thereafter, Nina's information, the email I'd given to Jim on trust, was posted verbatim in a thread on the NOLAJBS forum by Jim's new partner in crime, Suzette the Whipette. So he'd passed it onto someone else, breaking his word in the process. But not only that; remember my conditions, outlined above?

"..I'll pass on to you if you can assure me that it will be used for your interest only. No publishing on your site, no sharing with Hufschmid..."

From his little Nina "expose" page on his website:

I invite you, dear reader, to examine the following extract from a conversation that Nina recently had with a mutual acquaintance, and to draw your conclusions regarding the truthfulness of what Nina is telling us...

So there you go. Jim Kerr aka Planet Quo is full of shit, and as such, can't be trusted at all, for anything, and should shut the fuck up. No more finger-pointing, no more Poseidon this and Debus that, no more "deceptive" this and "disinfo" that. That's right Jim, I'm talking to you. You've lied and deceived about Nina and her "IDF connections", and you outright lied to me, someone you've publicly declared as a "good friend" on NOLAJBS forum. And indeed I was until you fucked with me and tried smearing the good name of an innocent young girl half your fucking age, all based on contrived bullshit and out-of-context tidbits.

So it looks like you're in a "bit of a pickle"; if you deny the above quotes are your words, you're a liar (I've got the emails to prove it), and if you accept that they are, which of course they are, you're a liar by virtue of the broken promises therein.

I suggest you put the brakes on your rapid descent into irrelevance and get busy exposing the real Zionists for a change.

http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/

http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/

Fuzzy old chum, lots of gas, dude. You seem to think your posting at a 4-1 rate somehow constitutes the "the readership of this thread."

The operative instruction was BLOW ME. I ain't wading into your steaming pile on any account. All this chatroom handbags shit is way out of my depth. I defer to those familiar with the territory and prefer to snipe from the sidelines, or, perhaps I should say, stir the chum with the paddle of levity.

COZ seems familiar with the issues and has put a serious looking question on your plate, so quit pissing and moaning about non-essentials as this is a fuckin' indictment here. Your repeated failure to address COZ's concern starts to fester: would it be that an answer might take some of the steam out of your pile?.

Like I said, your a johnny-come-lately, but don't let that rile ya too much. I'll be here on the CHUM trail whether you stay or go. If you got ANOTHER bucket, lay on.

I remain your humble servant:

Daryl Bradford Smith is being indicted here. Your endless chatter is inconsequential. You've already established the fact that you have CIA connections. Take a hike spook, I'm addressing this to Daryl Bradford Smith.

Aaaaaw, Fuzzy, you ain't gonna start ignoring me are ya? How bout another bucket of pus for the Old Chum Trail? Be a good fellow.

Answer the Questions Daryl. What 9/11 truths has Daryl,Eric or Chris broken for the truth movement? What? IS There anything they revealed First. Is there anything they are even remotely responsible for that helps even one American see the truth? Come on i will make it easy for you just answer on your self Daryl. That should not be too hard for you. Also Mr Smith you sill have not explained about the Ben Freedman MP3 files origins or source. Still waiting on this.

Daryl your creditability is shot to heck. Coming here and trying to do this damage control stuff is just doing more to expose your lame maneuvers and games.

I have told Daryl that i will always be here to keep an eye on the DBS agents. And if you insist on coming to WUFYS,Mathaba or anywhere else that is public and continue to do this GHOST POST crap WE will be here and every time you do you will only hurt your operation and it's numbers. As i have said before Daryl you cannot hide your voice behind keys and computers. Those of us doing the Good work can sniff out ANY attempts to trick or bullshit us AND WE WILL DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

Coming here Daryl without good deeds on your mind is just going to hurt your witness operation. We judge by ACTIONS here at WUFYS. And we have Elephant like memory for the scum and dreck and a real need to see that something is done to trip them into there own crap and lies.

Judge one by there deeds not by there words.

What deeds shall we judge Daryl and others by? Would they even care about doing things that help to mend the HUGE mess America is facing? So far i have not seen this in DBS or Eric.

Just because Daryl is a great poacher of other folks works and informations does not mean you should suck it all back without question. Ask your self while you read/listen to TFC stuff "Where is the help Daryl"
Does Daryl even once tell his listeners even one thin they can do to fight Zion and the other forces at work to wreck our world. No they do not.

And Fester I am not even the slightest bit in doubt about you or your identity.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Fugazi, to Fester:

Daryl Bradford Smith is being indicted here. Your endless chatter is inconsequential. You've already established the fact that you have CIA connections. Take a hike spook, I'm addressing this to Daryl Bradford Smith.

Michael, the fact that Jim is a liar has everything to do with this. You're being a hypocrite, demanding answers without providing them yourself.

You're pretending that PlanetQuo has nothing to do with DBS' indictment. That simply isn't the case. Everything you've linked to comes from him. Your video plugs him. He's central to this in the most fundamental way.

I know he's been watching this thread, and so do you. So Jim: time to front up, man. I need to know how you can reconcile this urgent demand for answers from Daryl Bradford Smith with your own complete lack of credibility and sense of honour.

And I pose the same question to you, Michael. When your comrade is a liar, how do you justify your position with regard to your demands from Daryl Bradford Smith?

I don't think there's anything unfair or unreasonable or irrelevant about those questions. On the contrary, I think you need to address them immediately.

http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/

First off, before I even embarked on any lengthy interaction with Jim I checked him out first. Wasn't hard to do having friends and relatives in the UK, where I grew up myself. Everything Jim has ever claimed he is or has made reference to checks out 100%. He is who he is. The investigation was not Jim's alone and I can assure you that what is presented is as accurate as you can get. Jim's credentials are sound. I can assure you that I did my homework long before any investigation began. Jim is not a liar. If I had even the slightest hunch that his integrity was suspect I would not be writing this. Jim is not at the centre of this. Daryl Bradford Smith is. One doesn't need to be standing on any moral high ground to address Smith with these questions; anyone in the gutter would could do it and still retain the higher ground. If you have assumed that I have allowed Jim to pass through my checks and balances you're sadly misguided. His website speaks for itself, and contrary to what you claim receives more hits and downloads than most others of its kind. I can assure you that I have done my homework. The information presented speaks for itself and even Eric Hufschmid can confirm it as he helped gather much of the information. Fester, on the other hand has left such a trail of footprints in cybershite that all that remains are neck prints. Fester would be wise to leave now and save some face, even as ugly and docile it is. I'm asking DBS to explain himself to all who need to listen. That is reasonable. Case closed.

For the benefit of new readers who have not seen the entire thread, or are quite new to WUFYS, one rather pertinent question concerns Fester's split personality. If Fester is not a spook, but merely a useful idiot who has been suckered into Smith's bizarre little cult, then why does he need to post on this forum under multiple handles?

Clicking on a username will reveal the comments and blog entries history for that particular name. The user "lotus", for example, may be tracked here:

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/user/279

Click on "Track" to see which threads / blog entries a user has commented in. After a flurry of activity from lotus in the first half of March, the persona was quietly "retired".

In this thread:

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/867

...about Zionists targetting WUFYS, we have the following comment by "lotus":

Q, sorry to hear the golem are moving against you. I shall bring 5 new people to the site this week & redouble my printing and leafletting. Peace

Fester also calls qrswave "Q", e.g. see his "Who's afraid of DBS?" post on the first page of this thread:

Q, I posted this "not very productive" line as I thought it was important for people to consider the "charges" which people smear Daryl Bradford Smith with.

And Fester also has a habit of ending his posts with "Peace": E.g., see that same comment and several others in this thread.

Then we have the fact that both lotus and Fester share the same cover story. They claim to print and distribute leaflets, as part of their effort to help the truth movement. E.g. see Fester's comment on the third page of this thread:

I never cared much for MASHER's contributions as they reeked with innuendo and were noticeably lacking in beef. Poseidon was a different story. I very much liked his 911 postings and was distributing one as a handout.

Incidentally, Fester chose to entitle that particular comment "The end of a fishy business." That was posted early April 24 (GMT time - or late April 23 US time). On Smith's April 22 show with Jim Condit, Smith commented (at 5:50) "It already smells like fish to me; the whole thing stinks." Fester will probably try to explain that one away by claiming he remembered Smith say it. Or his constant reference to fish is like a case of Jung's scarab "synchronicity".

In one of lotus's first comments:

The book which opened my eyes to some very important truths was Prof. Israel Shahak's Jewish History, Jewish Religion. I strongly encourage EVERYONE to read that. He also translated the Zionist plan for chaos in the Middle East which can be found at
www.freearabvoice.org/ZionistConspiracy_DivideTheArabWorld.htm

...see at the bottom here:

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/785

...we find him promoting Prof. Israel Shahak. The clincher with lotus / Fester is the way they have / he has a history of shamelessly promoting iamthewitness and Bollyn. However, in an attempt to try and look more rounded, Israel Shahak was added to their wares. Take a look at this thread:

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/975

...in which Fester brazenly plugs iamthewitness, and then goes on to the subject of Israel Shahak.

See this thread God Damn You, Dick Cheney!!!, where Fester comes in peddling Bollyn and iamthewitness, and then his alter ego lotus joins in to defend Smith. Note that much of the time, "lotus" remembers that he is not supposed to end his posts with a "Peace" as Fester does, instead posing as a possible Hindu with an Aum exclamation.

As previously noted, here are a few points to consider regarding Fester's comments in this thread and the possibility that he is DBS:

Who would be sufficiently motivated and well-informed to point out that the Apollo moon landings material is "Hufschmid's pet project"? Who was promoting the Money Masters video on Tuesday April 10 (Ans: iamthewitness) and who was promoting it in this thread on Thursday April 12? (Ans: Fester) Who would be jealous of Alex Jones getting CNN and Clear Channel time? Who would be sufficiently motivated to describe a Smith skeptic as a "true bottom dweller"? Who would be motivated to defend the lunatic conspiracy theory that the Iranians are "Crypto-Zionists"? Who would be asking for material with which he could obtain a propaganda advantage by promoting Eustace Mullins as a "Zionist agent"? Who would have a sufficiently inflated opinion of himself and his FBI/CIA entrapment techniques to claim that "any idiot would see that" Smith had not put words in Mullins' mouth when Mullins himself and several others reject this claim? Who would be sufficiently motivated to, every time new evidence is presented against Smith, repeatedly dismiss it as merely a "festering pile", "horse dung", etc? Who would have such in-depth knowledge of the Smith-Kaminski rift that he would cite the new, revised 'explanation' (trouble with holocaust laws) as opposed to the reason given at the time (racist views)? Who would claim to be sure that Mike Piper is a "plant"? Who has a fixation with filth ("dung", "horseshit", "cat piss", "fetid fecal fragrance") - a possible sex criminal who had been hiding out in France on a farm prior to being given immunity in return for his cooperation? (The timing of Fester's posts suggest he is now based in the US, not France.) Who likes the handle "Uncle Fester", having been known to use it to describe James Fetzer? Who would be likely to use a French expression such as "ménage à trois"?

It's ironic that Smith and Hufschmid criticise Karl Schwarz for posing as "Jon Carlson" and then praising and promoting Schwarz. They describe it as a "not-so-clever technique." A technique which Smith himself also evidently employs!

Michael, for fuck's sake. Stop playing dumb, man. I've posted my email exchange with Jim Kerr aka PlanetQuo for you twice now on this thread, and you've completely and deliberately avoided responding to it. I believed you the first time you said you'd missed it, but you've avoided it twice now when it's in plain view so I'm calling bullshit on you this time. Look, one more time.

From:planetquo@hotmail.co.uk

Sent: Wednesday, 25 April 2007 6:36:23 AM

To: jamie linton (jmzlinton@hotmail.com)

Hi Jamie,

I give you my word that any information that you give me regarding Nina aka 'A Possum Princess' will not be published on any of my websites or shared with Eric Hufschmid. Nina is under investigation. I am interested solely in her relationships with Daryl Bradford Smith and Joe Molero and Madthumbs.

See the quote from Jim in bold, Michael? Of course you do, and not for the first time, either. Why are you playing obfuscation games? It's not like I'm gonna forget about it, I'm not fucking stupid. And nor are the other readers of this thread.

The above statement was a promise made to me by Jim Kerr of PlanetQuo.com, which needless to say, was shamelessly broken, thereby rendering him an outright liar and a traitor to his friends, being that I was his friend and associate at the time. Do you refute my rationale here, Michael? Do you want to tell me that my logic is faulty or that I'm lying or that there's some sort of justification for being a lying cunt that I'm unaware of? Anything at all? Or will you just keep pretending you haven't seen it? For fuck's sake Michael, it's right there in black and white.

In case it's still not clear to you, here, once again, is what I wrote in the email before that, instructing him to use Nina's email, if I were to choose to forward it, strictly for the sake of his own interest:

"I have a fair bit of information from Nina that I'll pass on to you if you can assure me that it will be used for your interest only. No publishing on your site, no sharing with Hufschmid, no fucking around. I don't want her to be seen to be weighing in on it, especially via me."

Me: "No publishing on your site... no fucking around.."

Jim: "I give you my word that any information that you give me regarding Nina aka 'A Possum Princess' will not be published on any of my websites..."

No sharing with anyone, and no publishing on his websites. Well what the fuck do you call this, Michael? Look at the URL - planetquo.net. He shared the email with Suzette (breach #1), and then published it on his site (breach #2). He may as well have sent it to fucking CNN. The point is, he's a lying little cunt, and now he's a coward, too, because he won't front up here and either defend his nonexistent honour or be man enough to admit his mistake and apologise for his fuck-up.

The question, Quo, is not WHO are you (like the URL title of your little expose would suggest), it's WHERE are you. Stop fucking hiding. And Michael, I'm not posting this email info again. I've made myself clear three times now. Scroll up, you'll see it not once but twice on this page.

Now, Michael: do you still maintain that

"Jim is not a liar."

Do you still stand by your assertion that

"Everything Jim has ever claimed he is or has made reference to checks out 100%."

You wrote this in your last post:

"If I had even the slightest hunch that his integrity was suspect I would not be writing this."

I just showed you conclusive evidence in Jim's own words that he's a liar, more than enough to give you a "slight hunch" that something's amiss.

I trust you'll do me the service of responding pertinently to this matter, because this is getting ridiculous.

http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/

If Fester is Lotus and Daryl Bradford Smith, then Donnie Darko aka Quo Vadius is DBS; because I'm convinced that the Fester handle is Brendon O'Connell aka Quo Vadius aka Donnie Darko. Their writing styles are virtually identical.

http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/

Seen them, just text spammed onto the page. I've seen the original ones which Jim shall make public soon for all to see.

Poseidon, your observations have been noted and appreciated. Also may explain why DBS doesn't want to Skype with people who actually support him.

Aaah, so you've decided between yourselves to lie your way out of it. Makes sense; he was totally checkmated.

Just "text spammed onto the page", hmmm? Well I've got the originals in full too, Michael, so if his differ at all to mine, he's edited them.

So if my postings of these emails are just "text spammed onto the page", where's PlanetQuo to tell me so? Why isn't he here posting the "real email" material? And why will he make the "real" shit public "shortly", why not right here and right now? Better still, yesterday, when I first posted it all? He's been watching this thread the whole time, for fuck's sake. Or does he plan to move the whole debate over to his site, where he can deceive the unwary by means of using false context tactics and spin to put together some silly little "email expose" deception?

So ultimately Jim, this is your modus operandi: you've been totally checkmated and outed as a liar, and now it looks like you're opting to lie your way out of the lie, by lying. Well, this'll be interesting.

http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/

I will confirm that the "DoodoHead" "Piss" "Urine" and others are some of the clues to see Smith through his disguises and proxies. See this post of Daryl's to the old management of Mathaba.

Date: 21 Jul 2006 02:53 UTC [?]
Comment: DBS is not wanted around here
Your Name: daryl bradford smith (IP: Logged) [?]

mailto:Masher1@gmail.com
You forgot to tell everyone that I'm a dodo head too. Mathaba it's clear this nut just wants to pee on my leg, why let him do it over and over?
Web Link: Freach connection

Reply

So we can see that the Doodo Feces poop Dog Poop Urine talk is a matter of record. (Smith has a small black dog BTW judging by the photos he has posted. And also It's not his i bet but he is walking it the most hence the Venom for the normal bodily functions of perhaps dogs.) Anyway i use this motif combined with some logic like does the Persona post DBS URL's? That is another. Then i ask if the persona defends DBS,E.H. Bollyn Et Al? Does the persona seem to be saying things that sound like things Daryl has said on his mp3 files? does the persona fail to adequately defend himself/herself as they should in the face of unfriendly responses to there posts? Does the persona use HTML and composite images and photos? Does the persona maintain a almost fanatical hold on there cover even in the face of it being blown?

6 (Six) times here in the WUFYS archive i think Daryl has posted comments. I even called out a few Lotus,Fester,PJZ

The rest are easy to spot if you Use the DBS BS Persona test outlined above in basic because i really should be working on my wife's Elkey's reassembly
Thanks again Poseidon ;) i would have been all over this but i am a year behind on his BS and am at a total loss on Bollyn's part in all this. But i sure did like the gate keeping they did on saying what they did about smoke plumes from ground zero in the may 17 show. Trying to make the Nano particle info coming to N.Y. city will all be a result of Termite,Termate and nothing else eh boys?? Well Pah to that. Everyone around me knows exactly what i think about the Damprs in WTC 1&2 and the reasons that the Drawings and Blueprints are never going to be released. When the independent UO2/DU survey on the Manhattan area is done and the results shoot through the wires then i may have another stick to beat Daryl with at his trial.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Well there is this

"Do you have ANY comments on the Freedman mp3 and it's curious arrival on the scene in 03'? Who did the mp3 encode? What format did you originally listen to this file? Was it as is in MP3 format? Have you ever seen or heard this recording on lp without edits?"

All questions that need answers. Without this and more answers about the origin's of this file. Until answers are forthcoming on this we will just assume this file is a propaganda production and will discount it completely as such.

And a tad more Doodoo talk for fun

I banned this mad man from my Myspace for causing problems over and over again with everyone. This is my payback. The question is why would MATHABA let him. He makes no comment about the interview. Just name calling. And real crazy statements with no proof at all none. Please mathaba take a look at this wack job. And end the "do do head" name calling. Please readers write to mathaba and let the know. One post from this guy after a file, OK; but 5 on one, and 9 on another; All because I banned him for the very same thing on my MYSPACE"

Good one Daryl he even managed to get wrong who was using the name calling and who was not.

see comments for more fun

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

COZ, I will own up to the Lotus handle. I cleaned out the cookies and wasn't able to sign in as Fester, so I opened a new account. I finally figured out that I had to RETYPE the password not just copy and paste. Please introduce me to Brendan sometime sounds like a brilliant fellow.

The rest of the textual analysis has been covered before when Fishwife & Son were low on hairballs and chum. This confession will undoubtedly provide them with months of "evidence" that their charges against DBS have been "proven." Should be fun to watch.

Poseidon old chum, good to see you back manning the chum buckets. You are such a complete idiot that, however pointless, it is a delight to swim in your wake.

Just wanted to spit back this mini- hairball for the more coherent members to savor:

"Who would have such in-depth knowledge of the Smith-Kaminski rift that he would cite the new, revised 'explanation' (trouble with holocaust laws) as opposed to the reason given at the time (racist views)?"

Maybe someone more sympathetic to your special needs could explain the congruency between anti-Semitic "racist views" and "trouble with holocaust laws" even in the sippy-cup form in which you present them. Lord knows, I've tried, but you, poor sad, dear, just don't have the candlepower between your ears to light the bulb.

Super to see the reappearance of your "pet project" mini-hairball. It's a perennial and rates right up there.

Does the above Fester post look like something Daryl would type?

I say Yes sir it is.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Here are just a few comments that I have recieved regarding this issue:
Some guy writes this comment at DBS's myspace profile page:

"What a coincidence that Quo's and Michael's attack came a few days before Bollyn's trial, right? "

I replied to him via myspace message:

What are you implying in your comment: " What a coincidence that Quo's and Michael's attack came a few days before Bollyn's trial, right?"
Spit it out AH, I have, with the evidence to back it up.
DBS is compromised. A Christian Zionist has more power over him than you or anyone else who supports him. Nothing to do with Chris, although his loyalty to DBS is suspect in light of his self-confessed Christian stance.
Haven't you worked it out yet?

The reply I got was:

"what christian zionist what are you talking about?"

Another reply I got read:

Whats DBS done now???

This was after I had sent them a link to the video and article available on this page.

Donnie Darko, under the name True Believer, at Club Conspiracy replies to a post made by Planetquo with full knowledge of the article and video posted there replies by saying:

"You are a liability to TFC.

I am amazed that enemies of TFC have not picked up on you. You are TOTALLY compromised and a mentally ill man to boot."

Like I say, with "Truth Seekers like this who needs a Zionist controlled media?

Then read 6 pages of stuff at TFC and compare. You are blind if you cannot make the link. Daryl is nuts if he thinks he can hide behind his network spook kit and try to patch up his credibility by this FESTER crap. Trust is HARD earned Mr Smith And you BLEW it royaly. You see i am (As i have said to you many times) Here until you Quit this game. I see Right through your tasks and plays as most that have been through the CON you have going. I bet it just bugs you that you are not having much luck with the nice little public forum we have going here BUT you did bring your current troubles onto your own house. Now Why you followed me here is for you to know i don't care. You are doing nothing but telling those that followed me away that they were correct to quit visiting the NSA run "I am the witness" URL and do some old time Thinking for them selves. I know you still want to recover these numbers but there not your to recover Mr pants on fire. As i have said TRUST is hard earned and every single one of those that seen the mathaba bits with the treats and BS throughout from you were awoken that week and you lost a Whole bunch. I know i heard you moaning about it on one of your Mp3's of the month. Well keep it up and you are sure to lose even more. I will stay in my yard as it were and you don't suffer at the hands of the truffle sniffers we have around here. There is only one reason for this behavior i can fathom and this has been knowledge i have from March 05' and that is that someone was paying him to go around and do these things. After thinking on that and looking at the real evidence around Mr Sutter i soon saw that he was CIA or some FED type i go with CIA because of the Descriptives he cannot keep his knowledge from showing through his mask. Things he seems to have first hand info on things that under normal circumstances would not be common or even uncommon knowledge in the normal world. Looking at the shows around Smiths Visit by the Burly Marine type is a good area to read between the line a bunch.

Also the Money thing Where are these boys getting the scratch to serve all this content? Every single file i have received from that URL runs top speed on my line. (Anyone as fast a Microsoft update without a serious reason to be so fast is a government agency that simple.) I found out the real speed of there servers and was forever after suspicious about there little 9/11 truth operation. After looking through there audio with Soundforge for a week or two i noticed that the audio over time changed 0%. Eric is host for the Calls and the so called connections to France are never EVER different noise wise? Impossible for that many trans-atlantic calls to be trouble free and for them all to sound the same and with out delays please try to think sideways about this bunch. I learned most of this stuff just by setting off the Witness train and doing some serious thinking as to why i was so mad a being duped for over a year.

This post is long and i fear it will continue to grow because we are not dealing with a nut in France. The real enemy you al are set against is the Information operations road map.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

MASHER, glad to see you've picked up the scent again. Should be a laugh riot.

Speaking of laughs, if Daryl is still attending this symphony of wind instruments, he is at least getting a few healthy laughs watching you and the Fishwife play Inspector Clouseau.

My fatal mistake was not realizing that DBS had patented terms like "pet project," "horseshit," and "dogshit." It was only a matter of time before Fishwife & Dim Son put all the pieces together and blew the whole operation sky high.

Job well done. Better get back to the siege of NYC. Where you at on that anyway?

Looking just like a rant from the pages of IATW. Sooner or later you will see that your entrance and attempts to drive suckers to your dreck by posting here in the hopes of coat tailing our readership is a folly of Gargantuan proportions. You forget it's my job to prevent your doing this with ANY fair public venue i see you posting URL's to those NOISY Mp3 files. I do this job at the cost of my own sleep and time nothing else other than the need to save a TON of folks a lot of wasted time slogging through the IATW site. A site that would be long gone if it was not for the deep pockets of your spook bosses.

Are you feeling a ton of pressure from them lately to come here and stir the pot Daryl?

Must be.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

From the life and times of Daryl B. Smith and can fill me in on the year of shows i have missed Email me. See Daryl's little temper tantrum just above to get the mail addy. If you have all the shows let me know. I have about 260 meg of them from early to mar 06'

The Spook wants to play lets play.

Thanks

First you take D.C. Then YOU take New York Stupid.

I am going to sit through every show from the first to the last and after i am done with that my statement that the best way to look retarded is to admit going to I am the witness and the best way to confirm you are retarded is to post a URL to one of those very mp3 files.

Later Fester B Sutter or whoever the Frack you are.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Fester: COZ, I will own up to the Lotus handle. I cleaned out the cookies and wasn't able to sign in as Fester, so I opened a new account. I finally figured out that I had to RETYPE the password not just copy and paste. Please introduce me to Brendan sometime sounds like a brilliant fellow.

The rest of the textual analysis has been covered before when Fishwife & Son were low on hairballs and chum. This confession will undoubtedly provide them with months of "evidence" that their charges against DBS have been "proven." Should be fun to watch.

Ultimately, I'm not too concerned about who you are, Fester. But there's no doubt that your writing style is comparable to that of O'Connell, who posts under the handles "Quo Vadius", "Donnie Darko" and "True Believer". It's about the only thing PlanetQuo got right in his expose, besides his identification of Joe Molero as being a Christian Zionist.

Anyway, check this out. WhatReallyHappened.com linked to my AIPAC blog today here at WUFYS:

AIPAC's Power Base: America's Real Terrorists
Our entire government is controlled by Israel! Through a small, rich and powerful Jewish supported pro-Israeli tax-exempt lobby, the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or simply AIPAC, virtually all American domestic and foreign policy is now being controlled by a foreign government entanglement. This is done by targeting American politicians: those who are pro-Israel receive campaign funding and favorable publicity through a myriad of Jewish organizations, magnified by the liberal and Democratic Party-leaning American press; those politicians not favoring policies benefiting Israel are targeted by Jews all over America who send money to help finance that politician’s opponent.
Posted May 18, 2007 10:24 AM PST
Category: ISRAELI SPYING

Thanks, Mike!

http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/

If you can just Email me any shows of there's one at a time. I am good to the end of Feb 06' i need Very early ones and all from March 06' on to now. I don't want them direct Down load and i want a mirror of them in my Gmail account for easy access wherever i am at. If you can help get me up to speed Great just pick a show i need at random or in order if you have many and mail it off Lets do Daryl a special do it yourself blog post you all can help fit it out by mailing those shows and Comments of course to me.

I mean if he in a fit posts my Email address for all to see they should have something to do with it should they not?

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Fester concedes that "Inspector Clouseau" correctly deduced that he was Lotus. It's interesting that it has taken him ten weeks to own up, or more than a month since Masher1 pointed it out on page 2 of this thread "Or you can continue this RETARDED fester/lotus/PJZ shit you seem to revel in doing" in his comment "Poseidon is coming to it." And only then, when the case had been proven and Fester had no other choice.

And on April 14 on page 2 of this thread, Fester replied to me: "Poseidon, you're sharing what appears to be quite the motherload of info exposing DBS. Looks like VERY important material. Wish you deigned to share it earlier. I don't think my request for substantiation was that badly worded. Instead we had to go through a long, tedious, time wasting exchange." This related to information that I had only just come across, not something I had been sitting on for weeks on end!

On April 15, just after Masher1's comment, Fester deliberately refused to admit to being Lotus when he replied: MASHER has dropped a bomb on my world outing me as the efarious "RETARD" Daryl B. Smith/Lotus/PJZ." Poor, sad, desperate MASHER.

It is true that Fester stopped posting temporarily after March 3, Lotus registered and started posting on March 4, the last Lotus comment was March 14, and Fester resumed posting on March 16. But Fester wouldn't have been so silly as to run other handles simultaneously would he?

On March 5, in the thread Another Zionist myth bites the dust, there is an exchange between Lotus and ProudJewishZionist which seems to have been orchestrated to boost Lotus' reputation by showing him as a capable mediator in arguments with Zionists.

Then, in this thread, honestabe registered, supposedly specifically so he could accuse me of being a shill. Over 26 days, the only other comment by honestabe is an unsupported claim that he had donated money to Mike Gravel's campaign. This is consistent with honestabe being another manufactured Smithsonian brought along by Smith's group to 'support' their 'arguments', and a thinly veiled attempt to boost his reputation.

Given Fester's deception in taking so long to own up to being Lotus, his claim about cleaned cookies does not look very credible. If the cookies had been cleaned out, how would he have been able to copy the password in order to paste it? But if one does copy and paste a password, it works of course, provided the password is correct. I just tried it. His argument requires that he operates an unusual system of having a file of passwords ready to copy and paste, and had got them mixed up. Another of those bizarre Zionist coincidences?

It seems more reasonable to conclude that his plan was always to post this thread "DBS indicted!", and multiple personae were employed so he could run with whichever had established the most 'credibility'.

Posiedon, this is OUTSTANDING work. Massive support your charges against the "3 Key Guys." AND it meets all of your renowned standards of Relevancy and Logic!

Terrific start old chum. Off you go now. There's a bicky for you at the end of the trail. Forward. Courage.

I should correct myself; Joe Molero is more than likely a Christian, according to my information, but is not necessarily a Zionist - although he's listed in the credits of this site, which is openly Zionist, and which he links to via his NOLAJBS site.

You're not wrong, Quasimodo, Glenn did pick it up. Thanks for the tip. I was kinda hoping Rivero would link to the Frank Lowy one though, despite it being a work in progress. The AIPAC thing is old news. But I do love to bash them.

Fester, which country are you from / do you reside in, if you don't mind me asking?

http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/

Whoa, sure was surprised to see my screen name dragged into this discussion. You flatter me with your supposition.

I visit the IATW website regularly as well as WRH, Rumormill, 911 related sites, Judicial Inc, PlanetQuo etc. Oh, and also WUFRS. I do enjoy visiting this site daily.

Though it is true that I chimed in a while ago re: DBS, it was perhaps that I felt then as I do now. I have not seen any firm evidence to your claims other than innuendo, instances of past associations, foul language, high speed internet connections, hair trigger insinuations of cryptoism and allegations of alchoholism.

I have recently signed up for a website for a family project. My decision to pay for the services of this particular provider was the Very Fast download capabilities. Faster than any site I've visited except maybe google. Now, thank you very much, I'm going to be paranoid about my new site if it is a NSA or FBI controlled company! :)

Back to my previous post of 26 days ago (but who's counting). I did contribute $ 100.00 to Gravel and they even had the courtesy to tell me that I must have double clicked the send button and wanted to verify if it was a $100 or $200 contribution. Thanks for asking, but ONLY $100.

I did write in Ron Paul for President in 1988 because I was subscribing to his newsletter and thought that electing the former head of the CIA (GB senior) scared the crap out of me. I was and am a registered republican and I do vote in all elections and for all issues.

About 5 months ago I woke up and smelled reality after knowing everything there was to know for my last 50 yrs. I am new to this and about 4 months ago I was literally sick to my stomach for a week having learned the truth.

Because of Salmon Rushdie and his Satanic Verses I will always be skeptical of Islam and also any other religion or group that shows such intolerance towards people. Although I am filled with great empathy towards the Arabs in what is now Israel, I am not prepared to go any further than being the friend of my enemy's enemy.

I am extremely concerned with China's intentions and the Zionist backing of her. I am stone faced and clenched teeth concerned with the direction and future of America. I am sadly concerned with the ambivalent and sometimes hostile reactions while reaching out and speaking of these truth's to those familiar with me.

I do know that there is no going back though I sometimes long for my days of blissful ignorance.

HonestAbe

"Because of Salmon Rushdie and his Satanic Verses I will always be skeptical of Islam and also any other religion or group that shows such intolerance towards people."

Someone writes a book mentioning your mother or father, or someone very close to you and someone you love very dearly, by name, and proceeds to insult and slander them says it is all a dream, fiction and others with a dark agenda who do not like you promote this book and defend the author as a bastion of 'free speech'....and you would tolerate this?

Free speech and free expression are noble qualities which are beneficial incalculably to a society and its people. It should be defended to the death. However it does not mean that all sorts of filth, harmful and destructive publications and ideas should be tolerated, there are limits to free speech. It is quite easy to make a point about some idea or belief without being insulting.

For example many books exist now which clearly state that Islam is a false religion, its Prophet was a liar etc. etc. the authors may not have used insulting language and have remained within the boundaries of free speech and accepted norms....this is tolerated and acceptable to Muslims.

If I swear at you and insult you because I disagree with you, and do not use any substantive arguments or reason, and proceed to justify myself by refrence to Free Speech , you would consider this tolerable?

Death sentence?

If I were to use foul language towards you and even suggested things about your Mother and your religion would it then be acceptable to sentence me to death?

Bring it on asshole!

Honest Abe

its a little difficult to 'bring it on' over the internet.

I would ignore the rantings of an idiot if they insulted and swore at my mother.

However many would not and I would respect those who did not.

The "death sentence" was passed by some guy in Iran...it was not universally applicable, and if you knew anything about Islam you would know that.

Under Islamic law if someone sane and adult whether they are Muslim or not, insulted the Prophet and it was established without a shadow of a doubt that they did this, would be executed. Knowing such laws and living under them would prevent people from insulting him peace and blessing be upon him, and those who insist on using such insults would face the consequences of their actions. If you cannot do the punishment, do not do the crime.

Rushdi's insults served no purpose except for Zionists to mount their Propaganda war (as if they are the bastions of free speech), they crudely positioned Islam and Muslims as the primitive and barbarians in contrast to the Zionist?western enlightenment.

I for one am proud and privileged to be among the ranks of the barbarians.

Note I did not swear or use insulting language in my reply to you. I hope I have made myself clear and achieved my aims. See it is easy.

Even under Islamic Law you would be allowed to disagree at all levels with Islam and to openly say so, however you start insulting and slandering people who Muslims regard as honoured and noble, even if they are dead, and quite rightly you would be executed.

All this theory is pointless, Once Islam returns as a governing force with power and command (and it will) people like Rushdie and his Zionist supporters will crawl back under the rock from which they emerged.

Some clinical studies claim rushdie is a schitzo, if so he would be excused under Islamic law as someone without volition.

"Under Islamic law if someone sane and adult whether they are Muslim or not, insulted the Prophet and it was established without a shadow of a doubt that they did this, would be executed. Knowing such laws and living under them would prevent people from insulting him peace and blessing be upon him, and those who insist on using such insults would face the consequences of their actions. If you cannot do the punishment, do not do the crime."

Next, why don't you elaborate for the Infidels here, other such loving and illuminating quotes from the Hadid (sp?) How about the teaching where you must kill all Infidel's and take their treasure. How about how it is taught that is just fine and dandy to lie to Infidel's about your true intent? How it's okay to take someone elses bride for your own? How it's okay to kidnap & rape Infidel women? Why Christian churches are offensive and forbidden in Egypt?

To me, Leftfield, I see little difference between the Talmud and the Hadid (one of the books contemporaneously written along with the Koran). The only real difference in my assessment is that I could, if desired, become a Muslim. I could not, however, become a Jew; they are not in the market for any Volunteer's. The Jews are infinitely more racist. Both religions, however, are roughly matched in their intolerance to Goy and Infidels.

Now, if I slapped your face with the sole of my tennyshoe would you then sentence me to death? Or would it be required for me to use a stinky leather sandal, Hmmmmm?.....

Honest Abe

This Hughes net piece of crap of mine i have on the farm here is a No PTP type thing they all fail to work. I have tried all torrent programs they all are useless to me on this NSA dish thing i have to use. But if you could stomach a few sessions of email i will be most gratefully accepting them there. I am not sure on the limit on a gmail but i think it is 10mb per email. My thanks.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the prosecution will demonstrate smoking gun evidence of Fester's deliberate deceptions.

Sometimes the evidence is in plain sight, and it is just a matter of analysing the data. We reached this situation following Fester's admission to being Lotus. He claims that this was done in good faith, due to cleared cookies and an inability to log in as Fester. As we shall see, the claim of "innocence" is a pack of lies. Deliberate, premeditated deceptions were employed.

The Lotus persona registered and began posting to WUFYS on March 4, 2007. In his posts of the aforementioned date in the God Damn You, Dick Cheney!!! thread, he starts by posing as someone who knows little about Daryl Bradford Smith: "I don't know about this Daryl Smith, but the clear signs point to Israeli/Zionist work. Aum"

In his next comment, he poses as one who has just been listening to Bollyn and been very impressed: "Wow! I just finished listening to the interview with Bollyn on Odigo and I am stunned. [...] Masher says that Smith is a liar. I didn't hear anything that sounded dishonest. [...] Aum"

Then: "I have found the interviews to be full of facts I was not aware of. No wonder Bollyn was attacked! [...] Aum"

And then we have: "When I read the dispute here over Daryl Smith, I started listening to the interviews with Bollyn. There is an incredible amount of detail on Zionist invovlement. [...] Aum"

So the Lotus persona was initially supposed to be nothing to do with TFC, someone who knew very little about them, and who just happened to listen to the interviews and was very impressed.

Yet consider Fester's posts of February 25 and 26, before he allegedly suffered the mishap with the cleared cookies and registered the Lotus handle in March. In his February 25 post, he is found blatantly plugging iamthewitness (TFC): "A relevant interview well worth listening to is at

A full list of interviews is at
www.iamthewitness.com/ByPerson.html
"

So on February 25, he was so familiar with Daryl Smith and TFC that he promoted them here at WUFYS. Then, on March 4, following his 'mishap with cleared cookies', he is suddenly a novice when it comes to Daryl Smith, and after listening to the interviews is "stunned", finding the interviews to be "full of facts" with "an incredible amount of detail".

Back to February, and in his next comment in that thread he originally appeared in, he includes links to no less than four TFC interviews.

In a February 26 post, Fester promotes the "CNN hit job on Bollyn".

And in the God Damn You, Dick Cheney!!! thread, Fester has commented on March 2 and 3, promoting Daryl Smith and Chris Bollyn, just before Lotus joins that very thread on March 4 as a Smith 'novice'!

With Lotus' posts, the following ended with an "Aum" (times are in Pacific Daylight Time, apparently Fester's/Lotus' local time):

3/4 11:37 (his first comment, new cover story of being influenced by Israel Shahak)
3/4 11:44 (GDY D Cheney thread, Lotus supposedly a Smith "novice")
3/4 14:28 (Asks "Is Smith reliable", and claims to be "stunned" after listening to a Bollyn interview)
3/4 22:22 (Says he found Smith's interviews to be "full of facts" he was unaware of, and "No wonder Bollyn was attacked!")
3/4 22:56 (Still in the GDY D Cheney thread, Lotus says the Bollyn interviews have "an incredible amount of detail on Zionist involvement")
3/7 20:12
3/7 20:38
3/7 23:35
3/8 23:06 (his blog entry)
3/9 07:06
3/9 07:27
3/10 15:31
3/10 17:18
3/11 16:56
3/11 17:31
3/13 20:50
3/13 21:03

That's 17 comments with the "Aum" ending. Then there was the one where Lotus forgot that he was supposed to be Lotus not Fester:

3/12 08:27

...and ended his comment "Peace". Fester often does this, but never uses the "Aum" ending. As mentioned previously, "Lotus" made a right hash of this comment, using Fester's cover story about printing and distributing leaflets, and calling qrswave "Q" as does Fester. After all, it was early on a Monday morning. Was DBS drinking the night before? Anyway, that's what they call a "Monday morning shill job".

This Lotus comment of 3/13 21:12 is worth a look at; there is no "Aum" or "Peace", but note he refers to fish and "horseshit" (capitalised) as does Fester.

The fact that Smith / Bollyn interviews require shills and spooks to promote them does not say very much for their quality.

So the Fester persona originally joined WUFYS in February. However, it seems he was worried about being perceived as a shill, having shamelessly peddled iamthewitness right from the very start. In March, he decided to "suspend" the Fester persona, and to try out another - Lotus - whose cover story was that he had been influenced by Professor Israel Shahak. He would initially pretend to know nothing about DBS or Bollyn, and then, in typical shill fashion, would purport to have been very impressed with the material. Another difference was that Lotus ended his posts with "Aum" in a feeble attempt to make it look like he was not Fester (although his colleagues knew, of course). However, he must have felt uncomfortable assuming the Lotus persona, and decided to reincarnate Fester for the purpose of instigating the DBS Indicted! blog entry.

Hence, the claim of "innocently" creating a second handle is blown out of the water. There was a premeditated deception to attempt to make Lotus appear like he was not Fester, but it wasn't good enough. It is too late in the game for a foolsmate. However, it's checkmate for Fester / Lotus!

Masher,

Here is a website which has archived Daryl's shows. Please let me know if the files go back far enough and if they are complete. Please let me know if you find any "gems" in these audio files. It would be great to use his own words against him.

These shows are archived at Tom Goy's website. BTW, I don't endorse Tom Goy.
http://tomgoy.awardspace.com/

I used to be a supporter of Daryl and Eric until I started noticing certain things and putting two and two together.

COZ, I'm an American living in America although I spent considerable time outside the US as a youngster and adult.

Honestabe, I know how you feel about facing up to the situation and dealing with family and friends who haven't the wit or backbone to deal with grim facts. They literally used to put their fingers in their ears back home; now they just sit mumly and glumly if I bother to remind them of where we're at.

Good of you to weigh in here at the Chum Trail. The Clouseaean team of Fishwife & Son have yet to produce anything but hairballs and chum vs. Smith, Bollyn, and Hufschmidt. Their extreme antagonism towards the "3 Key Guys" should have been immediately supported by facts of a serious nature. I was much younger and more naive.

Doubtful we're off the hook yet as no one escapes the Spammish Inquisiton. I'm trying to identify this trio. My best guess from left to right is: MASHER, Posiedon, Fuzzy

Poseidon old chum, didn't realize you were loading the buckets or I'd have held off.

IN THE ABSENCE OF ANY EVIDENCE AGAINST DBS either at the very beginning (the original purpose) or in the first hundred posts, you have have been reduced to chumming the waters with anything which comes your way.

I consider DBS to be a brave soul who has done much to wake the sheeple up. I've done far less, but I'm flattered by your flatus in conflating me with he and so many others (I'm holding my breath for you to present your case that I'm PJZ).

What is crystal clear is that you NEVER had anything of substance against the "3 Key Guys" but now think you're onto a winner with your "DBS is lurking here and pretending to be different people line" (I did wonder if I'd been banned for something I'd said when I had the password problem and thus tried the Lotus angle and toned down my support for Smith and his files until I figured out what the acutal problem was).

That's the sum total bright boy. Does that make your little filament glow. No? Ah well, we can't have everything, can we.

Any new hairballs or it this the Mother of all Hairballs for ya?

Come now, Posie, ( sorry, old chum, I done wore out that
Po' handle already ), you're still thrashing around sorting out
chum buckets, when there is REAL CARP to be had ?

A lotta regular dunces like myself can't help but think there's somethin' pretty fishy goin' on here, and it's been goin' on for
too damn long already, if you asked an Old Carper like me !

But don't you sorta like that 'Posie' thang ? I like it a hole
lot better than 'Poseur'. I think it's kinda cozy, and it even
rhymes with 'Rosie', ( and it actually smells better ! )

Will you ever cease and desist with this ad hominem,
ad infinitum Daryl Bull Shit indictment, that's nothing but a
100 mile long CHUM SLICK already ? Duh ? Say What ?

What's it worth to all of you clowns, already ? Any idea how much damage your personal self abuse has done already ?

Why not just give it up already ? Besides, like my dear old crabalocker fishwife used to carp at me -"if you keep on doing that - you'll surely go blind ! It could even stunt your growth !"

Fageddaboudit, Old Chums, LET THE CARPING BEGIN !

( And watch out for those CRYPTO GOYS !)

Folks, the hellhounds of the Spammish Inquisition done got me. I'm gonna spill the beans, all of em, for ya now:

Fuzzy: "Fester, it surprises nobody here that you would personally know two CIA spooks" & "It's no secret that DBS was an (the) executive chef at the Rainbow Room situated at the Rockefeller Plaza at one time, a place that would have also catered for his love for Jazz. This may seem innocent at first glance until you discover that two former executive chef's I can name are CIA trained. Why would the exe chefs at this gig be CIA trained? "

Here it is kids:

Here's the CIA Chef website (my REAL website!!) http://www.ciachef.edu/

And here I am in the flesh:

Have mercy boys:

MASHER, Poseidon, Fuzzy

Anywhey. Or Whatthewho whatever. Perhaps i am only going to look at the files others send me. I could care less how many Sub IATW Addy's there out there i am looking for the files they mess around with. Files that certain folks are sent. Unique and tailored to a certain individual. I want the persons they are or have been working to send me there copy's of this shit. Send them to me and i am going to look the shit out of them. Enough Of this crap he is spouting.

Good one Poseidon! you are still the boot on my but to sort out this Butt munch spook and his CruE of URL zombies.

Your files are i think different to mine and i want to prove it. Remember that Eric is the NET traffic cop on the Witness show so he is in other areas too and stans in the drivers seat on this issue. Lets roast this dude if this is true. Comment on the files in total confidence or for display here what ever let me know. If you are sending IATW shows you are clear to send EVERY one if you have it And i will not reveal where i received any of the files. I can and do think this subject is VERY important and i will need a flow of those file to see for sure if there messing with them to sow strife with contradictory info in same named files and the like. At least this will see if my Gmail is cut off or not.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

So i get another. What does it say right off i should do? Take my plastic and BUY A GUN or a SHOTGUN. Oh really? What a bunch of crap.

Violence is NEVER the answer Daryl. Guns are Also never the Answer Mr Smith. Never.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

MASHER, you're a fine one to renounce violence! You been laying siege to New York for months and with an move on DC.

Come to think of it, there's somethin' REAL fishy about that signature you've been sportin'. I'm gonna have to "investigate" that.

I will always recommend All new "I am the witness" folks coming here from the Show of the 19Th that i was Just like YOU. I was a follower of this show. I am now telling you Plain and strait. Daryl is a lousy source for ANY information. Now Daryl can call me a criminal at the same time leading his show with a call like Charge up a bunch o guns and protect yourself. Well disclaimers are Pussy talk Daryl. You can not Touch me. Your crue can not touch me. Your Ideals are hate. Your methods are Tricks,Lies,Masks and other Mind tricks. There a form of energy that flows right through me with out effect. Sure i don't discredit your work and research BECAUSE it's not YOURS you poach everything and mix in your Dog Poop Soup mix and flush it into the ears of everyone using your smack.

Oh and don't thing i did not notice your Anger at the rule you have on Naming anyone on your POD.
First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

What is compromised?

PlanetQuo's credibility.

No shit. PlanetQuo has had three days now to defend himself or refute my evidence that he lied and violated the trust of a friend, but all we hear is an awkward silence.

No doubt he's putting together some kind of Crimes of Zion "expose" in a futile attempt to save some face, which will undoubtedly be a mishmash of out-of-context quotes, erroneous semantical convolutions and 50 odd thousand hyperlinked non sequiturs. Should be interesting, given the time it's taking to put together.

Time to front up and face the music, Jimbo.

http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/

Fester has had ten weeks to fabricate an excuse in the event his deceptions were found out, and his response is inordinately weak. He now claims to be a paranoid conspiracy nutjob who has been so thoroughly duped by Smith's spiel that he beavers away promoting it to forums, even to the extent of registering another handle and going to all the trouble of adopting another persona when he thinks he has been banned for promoting Smith. And he continues to defend Smith when reams of evidence has been presented against Smith, and rational folk who previously supported Smith - as even I did - have seen through TFC's deceptions and withdrawn their support.

There is no explanation of why Fester did not admit to being Lotus for over two months; and only then, when he was dragged screaming and kicking by the "hellhounds" on his trail.

Then there is the contradiction of Fester / Lotus being a computer novice when it comes to passwords and logging on to forums, yet he has no problem finding and appending inane images to his posts.

If TFC material was so good that it could induce supporters to promote it as diligently as Fester has done, TFC would be getting millions of hits by now, not a mere 10,000. In fact, the material is so mediocre that it must rely on shills and spooks even to get 10,000 hits. Compare with WRH, for example. Rivero's work needs no promotion by shills - its quality speaks for itself. And according to TFC, Mike Rivero is a "Zionist agent"!

Fester has been busted. If it walks like a shill, talks like a shill and quacks like a shill, then it is a shill.

apossomprincess(?) says: "Through which door might I find Joe Molero praising Israel or Pat Robertson? Where is it he openly embraces dispensationalism?"

Try this one, its wide open:

Image courtesy of NOLAJBS.net

Even your knight in shining armor 'Chums of Zion' acknowledges that Joe Molero is an exposed Christian Zionist.

If symptoms persist consult your doctor.

'Chimes of Zion' has since become a 'Plumbline Apologetic' convert.

Quoted from my comment, yesterday Sat 19:

Actually

I should correct myself; Joe Molero is more than likely a Christian, according to my information, but is not necessarily a Zionist - although he's listed in the credits of this site, which is openly Zionist, and which he links to via his NOLAJBS site.

So don't use "Chums of Zion" to support your argument, Fag-arsie. I've since discovered that it's not the site owner who posts those links, it's the members - hence the title above the links, "Member Sites".

I have no interest in defending Molero; I couldn't give a fuck about him. But I do have a keen interest in exposing your deceptions, which are all over the place. The shit you and PlanetQueer pass off as "evidence" is spurious at best.

I know you're in regular MSN contact with Quo, and I know he's watching this thread. Now get your arse in here you pussy, and stop making Fagarsie fight your battle for you.

http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/

Joe Molero is even mentioned in the credits of this Zionist site. See for yourself:

http://firstplumbline.net/html/credits.html

All I see when I look at your little videos and graphics Fagarsie, is a pair of idiots with way too much time on their hands to fuck around on the computer and smear people based on no evidence at all.

This whole thing hinges on one thing: PlanetQueer's bitterness about his idol, Daryl Bradford Smith having a closer relationship with Nina than with himself, who tried doggedly to suck up Daryl's arse for months with no success. When TFC linked to PlanetQueer, Jim was over the moon; conversely, when Nina negotiated a truce between NOLAJBS and Daryl, making the link to PlanetQueer redundant, Jim was incensed. Nina was now "under investigation", "playing both sides", and "bad news". That's when it all started, with PlanetQueer "withdrawing [it's] support" from iamthewitness.com, and waging war on Nina, the party pooper. It's all quite gay, if you ask me.

Since then, we've seen PlanetQueer, a proven liar with no integrity of his own, contribute nothing to the anti-Zio movement but shitty little smear campaigns, boring exposes and ad hominem attacks on everyone that isn't in lockstep with his myopic little ideas about what we should all be and how we should behave (my myspace profile and Daryl's friendship with Nina being two pertinent examples). He's turned against his mentor Hufschmid, but retained the sense of paranoia and penchant for finger-pointing that came along with him, forgetting to throw the bathwater out with the baby, as it were. The result is PlanetQueer's rebirth as something akin to a pathetic little caricature of Hufschmid with none of the good and all of the bad, who keeps throwing stones despite residing in a very transparent, fragile glass house.

Fugazi, for fuck's sake; tell him to come and speak for himself. He has questions to answer about his integrity, and until they're answered, he's in no position to make answer-demands of his own.

http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/

Follow these instructions:
Go to:

http://firstplumbline.net/html/credits.html

Position curser on the scroll bar in the box and scroll down slowly so you don't miss it. Explain.

Poseidon old chum, GREAT SQUAWK! Good to see you in full voice. An absolute terrier. Gum on, baby, gum on. This thread is heating up nicely so keeping chumming the waters. That's a good fellow.

Sorry the pictures get under your skin, but surely I have correctly identified you. It's just da MASHER and Fuzzy that I might be confused about.

I know I can't hold out much longer and that the Spamish Inquisition will show no mercy:

Take Our World Back

da MASHER, Poseidon, Fuzzy

Fuzzy, good to see you're back and chumming as fast as ever. More buckets, please. The info on the chef angle was OUTSTANDING and VERY important. I will confess: a cook with a spoon IS a SPOOK. Stop the torture! (anyone who's bored and not a member of the Spamish Inquisition can try www.ciachef.edu/ to crack Fuzzy's biggest nut.)

Possum, great questions. However, there's little RATIONAL thought here on the Chum Trail. Maybe the Fishwife & Sons will put down the buckets for a moment and respond, but they're HOT on the trail (and we've had "reams of evidence" already).

The only thing that's left is THE CONFESSION

da MASHER, Old Po, Fuzzy

His very distinct voice would have outed him long before now. Daryl's "Education" work is aimed a far site lower than the brain on most of his targets. As to being Ex teacher in any way is (other than in his own mind) false as far as i can find. No Daryl is a very SHADY persona with very good reasons i think. If he was a educator of any amount of time there would be a ton of folks that could finger his voice and say thats my old Blah Blah Blah teacher.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

That's more like it MASHER! Get back to your specialty. Make sure to fill the buckets; that one was only about a quarter full. Breathe, stay in the chum zone. You'll be back in rhythm in no time.

PS - loved the "analysis" of how DBS's voice would have been spotted. First rate stuff from da MASHER!

Congratulations!

I mentioned you on my show the other night.

Now I guess you can see why I started to become suspicious of Daryl and Eric when I saw the prevaricating way they were dealing with American Free Press.

They initially tried to bring me into their loop, if you recall, having succeeded in having done so with CHristopher, although I was unaware of how deeply he had become involved with them. And I see now, in retrospect, that Christopher was trying to keep that under wraps.

By the way, I got your email regarding Daryl. I am unable to answer ANY of those questions, but I sure wish I knew the answer to them.

Incidentally, Daryl said recently that "Piper is working EVERY DAY with Scott Makufka." The truth is that I hadn't spoken with or emailed to Scott (Victor) for about six whole months and only did so AFTER Daryl had made the accusation.

This whole theme that I was "working closely" with them was a lie from the get-go, but a convenient lie that they began to tout after Wing TV questioned (and now, correctly, I think) Christopher's version of what happened to him with the police.

The truth is far more simple: Wing TV figured that a collection of my writings would be a good investment for them and they offered to put it together, which they did at their own expense, and paid me the big famous "stipend" of $240 and gave me 50 or 60 copies of "The Michael Collins Piper Reader."

Then the production manager at American Free Press, Paul Angel, got the idea for AFP to publish its own version of the book (and I even initially objected to it and the project almost got canceled because of my objections, which stemmed largely over a dispute as to WHAT COLOR TO PRINT ON THE COVER, of all things) and AFP --- entirely independent of me --- negotiated an agreement with Victor and Lisa to print a new edition of their book (of my writings) under the title (my suggestion) DIRTY SECRETS.

So the whole idea that there was this big intrigue between Victor and Lisa and me is just ---- WELL, BULLSHIT.

But that's never stopped DBS or Queen Esther or now Bollyn!

Feel free to quote me on this!

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Here is the show in which Piper mentioned me.

http://arc.republicbroadcasting.org/Piper/07/05/Piper_051707_200000.MP3

Suzette, would you be willing to share the essence of your dispute with DBS? I've seen the hot-tempered email he allegedly sent. Is there something besides the name calling? We're looking for evidence. I'm an old admirer of your efforts to wake folks up, but Daryl's extraordinarily busy detractors have tossed nothing but CHUM and more chum to this point. Thanks. Fester

International C.I.A. Jazz All-Star, and notorious French Chef Extraordinaire, Daryl Smith in chic Top Chef garb, holds forth on his antique French swizzle stick recently, at Rockefeller Center's renowned Zionist hangout, the Rainbow Room .

A special fund raising luncheon was held, honoring his global outreach and heroic humanitarian efforts to awaken the goys, through his sublime expression of the universal language of Jazz . An esoteric menu was provided, for which a stuffed marinated filet of fresh carp constituted the main entree of a course that included a generous helping of chum chowder.

In photo above, he can be observed jamming out, with very able backing from Nick Sarkozy and his French Canadians,
on a medium rare interpretation of a jazz heritage classic -
'Do You Know What It Means, To Bomb New Orleans ?'

All donations were to be immediately forwarded to a new Concerned Goys Committee for Legal Defense of the ground-breaking, ( as in Ground Zero ) and controversial
investigative journalist wunderkind, Mr. Christopher Bollyn.

After the proceedings, all in attendance were treated to an in-house showing of "Poseidon Adventure 13", which was actually a Zionist propaganda remake of previous episodes.

Initial reports indicate the fund raising drive was successful.

Tontheon, glad to have another sane voice willing to poke a few holes in the Great Chum Slick.

Not sure it's 10+ against DBS. I do think the Fishwife & Dim Sons are operating under multiple names. The wiser voices here are do not rise to the rancid bait or weigh in ocassionally when the hairballs, red herring, and chum provokes dyspepsia. Some have dealt with these Spam Daddies before it appears. Your remarks on mindcontrol techniques is on the mark.

They have no real facts, but hope to cast a shadow over Smith et al with their deliberate mischaracterizations, implausible HAIRBALL theories, and murderously tedious chumming.

Fuzzy just posted a link to a Wingnut show with the Thornbirds and Hufschmidt which was supposed to show how unhinged Eric is. As per usual, they figure the sheep will take their word, or, if they go and listen, will be unable to listen objectively. I've met few at WUFYS who are that feeble minded, but it doesn't stop Team Chum from trying. As I said on Fuzzy's sorry little thread, the Thornbirds come off as shrill and mindlessly focused on the unimportant as to evince birth from the same dirty little petri dish as the Spam-ish Inquisitors who wank so religiously here.

Eh Fester. Is your floor short on work this week? Or just a lot of noise on the phone from the boss about your lack of results.

Those above must be setting the pressure to max for the unsettled near manic posting of Sutter this week. I love seeing him so worked up trashing about like he is. So fitting for one so low.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Quas, you're back! So good of you to swim back this way. Hope you'll give me your thoughts on the Spam-ish Inquisition photo. Am I right in identifying them? Do I need to vary the photos?

Ton, say it ain't so! You'll be missed. I guess I'm a little stubborn, but I always had a soft spot for clowns and perhaps I keep them off the streets.

Yep, Fuzzy has yet to acknowledge the Culinary Institute of America or the fact that knowing people who are trained chefs is in no way relevant to anything. They're busy little fuckers, Team Spam, but oh so predictably lame.

Suzette, still hoping we can chat again despite of differences about Daryl.

DBS's latest rant calls for everyone to grab a gun. He stresses, however, that he wants no violent acts to be perpretrated on any individual or organisation that he may have said are responsible parties in the mess we are in and he certainly does not want any actions commited in his name! What an ego!
He then goes on to splutter:

"...it's time for Thomas Jefferson's, er..call for the 'Liberty Tree' to be fertilized with the...with the, er...efforts of...our...our...er, individual, hmm, men in the country, now thats something that my brother brought up on the radio show; where are all the men?...where are they standing up?...bunch of spineless wimps..."

Thomas Jefferson's actual quote:

"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is its natural manure"

I believe Jefferson used the word "blood" and not "...our...our...er, individual efforts".

The spilling of "blood" is not without violence, whether we like it or agree with it or not.

Where are the men in "this country?" (which one, France or America?).

I don't know Daryl, they are so well concealed and vague that it's hard to determine who is the "spineless wimps"

With his voice when the higher high's start turning the screws for results and the CrUe is powerless to pay out because of there serious creditability problems. his voice starts to have a manic rasp to it. He stutters lots now. he seems to be doing a lot of halted speaking like he is lying. His recent "Charge up a trunk full of guns and ammo to protect yourself" rant is sure full of ah ah ah If if if it it and so forth. All signs of a BS artist. Anyone with kids can spot this vocal giveaway. And some times the scripts he reads make the author look like a punk kid bully in there rantings. Really Guns eh Daryl. You seem to need to offer BAD things. Talk bad paths. Move with Bad intentions.

Well your popularity problems are directly related to that thing i have been telling you about for Months and months. Your credibility is shot and nothing you,Fester,PJZ or any other cloak you use can do to change this. You had a window to mend your cred but you boarded that up did you not?

Now you will suffer at the hands of not me but those that see me and others here and can relate They are not going to like being lied to just as i was. They will be thankful that they can do just a little more for themselves. And THEY will end your little witless pod shows effectiveness. I will be here to see that THEY below me and beside me are as informed as those above me. Lies and Cults of disinfo are a blight. They are going to be exposed. Exposed and dismantled.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

DBS and Eric want nothing more than the opposite. They will ride on the back of it for as long as they can until the designed implosion takes place. In the meantime the "corrupt" Chicago police with all it's connections have the IP address of everyone who sent in emails etc. That's assuming, of course, if they pay any attention to invisible people hiding behind myspace profiles and the like. Still, always the TFC data base to go off.

Fuzzy, vintage drivel dude! Outstanding work. You are the drooling fool on the right, no?

da MASHER, Ol Po, Fuzzy

I keep thinkin' your about to explain the Culinary Institute of America to us all one more time. Give it a spin one more time. Love the red polka dot undies and the exploding shoes.

Keep it up. We have an endless appetite for you chum. How about a hairball? No one's much biting on the herring this morning.

Fear not Ton, any thoughtful response earns massive amounts of chumming from the boys aboard Poseidon's Chum Trawler.
If I may sound MASHER-esque for a moment, "You'll not be disappointed in that regard, TRUST ME!"

You again raise valid questions, but you'll get nothing but hairball theories, fresh herrings, and fabulous CHUM from this lot, "BELIEVE ME!"

One of Ol Po's best is that the Zionists were caught off guard by the 911 Troof Movement and put TFC in place to counter all those honest folk like Alex Jones, the Thornbirds, Old St. Pipe, etc. He's done the financial calculations and "no way they'd spend all their nickels and dimes paying so many disinfo agents!" That's why they came up with the "3 Key Guys": Daryl, Bollyn, and Hufschmid. Get it??

Praise the Lord we've got the Spam-ish Inquistion protecting us

da MASHER, Ol Po, and the Syphlitic Fuzzy

When all else fails start to play with your self eh Fester

This is one Funny ass blog you have here.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Young Father Makufka , before his legendary breakup
with his tempting Thorn Bird , Ms. Lisa Ghoulie Annie.

It has been reported that she had become a 'thorn in his side' following her premature and ill advised assassination attempt of a prominent professional rival, Brother Christopher Bollyn.

The once promising couple are not as of this time reported to have undergone an amicable parting. There have been various and sundry inklings in internet postings of late, and even in cooperative Zionist media, which somewhat fuzzily seem to indicate there may have been a further assassination attempt by the temperamental 'Thorn Bird'- Ms. Ghoulie Annie, on her "Jew-Hating " escort, Father Makufka, at their place of last trysting , which was evidently caught on a cell phone camera by a policeman from Hoffman Estates, Illinois, whom she had previously called to the scene in a sudden uncontrollable fit of hysterical remorse for what she attempted. To be continued...

Accompanying soundtrack to Thorn Bird sequel-$9.95 Ebay

In reply to: tontheon | Mon, 2007-05-21 13:03:

First off, I was not replying to anyone in my comment, I was making a comment based on what I heard DBS rant on about and clarified Jefferson's quote that DBS evidently couldn't say in full as it contradicted what he said regarding the use of violence only a minute before he came to utter it (or a part of it).

Secondly, no where did I say that I, repeat, I, was advocating violence or non-violence. I was refering to Jefferson's obvious implying that violence is necessary as he, that is Jefferson, used the word "blood", the shedding of which in the context of what he was saying can nto be achieved without violence.

People's inability to distinguish what I, again, I ACTUALY said between what they only THOUGHT I said, and who I said it to (which, in this case, was whosoever is reading and in particular DBS).

How you came to figure that my comment was a reply to you is a mystery. More disturbingly, how you came to the conclusion that I, repeat, I stated that violence is not needed (or needed for that matter) is beyond me.

Now, go back to my comment and show everyone where I said, thought or did what you thought, repeat, thought I said in the comment which you wrote which I'm ACTUALY responding to.

This is how upset PlanetQuo is about me outing him as a liar. Go and check out what he's done in his effort to "expose" me (?).

If you follow all his links, you'll see that his screenshots of my NOLAJBS forum posts only demonstrate that I was actually helping him out in his beef with "Donnie Darko", but he makes out that he doesn't know why I was there, and that it's all a big mystery. And that's despite the fact that in a myspace email to me, he actually said "I just wish I had some help".

Look at how he's stalked out my private details and published my IP address and my physical home address on his site. He was outraged when NOLAJBS did it to him, but now he's done it to me. This is what he's been doing whilst watching the "DBS Indicted!" thread wherein I prove conclusively that he's a liar, and challenge him to front up and post a response, which of course, he hasn't, and he won't, least of all on his own site.

Heh, but you'll notice a graphic on his Infensus Mentis (that's me) page mentioning a "deafening silence", as if I'm speechless after being "exposed". But we all know where the deafening silence is coming from.

By the way, for the record: I don't have a landline telephone, only a mobile, like I said; but I do have an account with AAPT for my internet connection. He makes out that I was lying about that all along, and that it's another thing he "exposed". Heh.

This is what Planet.Quo.com has become - the inane, weird, politically irrelevant, sick, stalker-like internet residence of a raving loon.

http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/

So that's what you get for being friends with Jim Kerr aka PlanetQuo: lied to, deceived, and then when he doesn't like you mentioning it, you get stalked and allocated a page on his site, replete with your personal details and a whole lot of spin.

Is this the kind of behaviour you condone, Fugazi? Is this the kind of "friend" you're choosing to associate yourself with? That's not rhetorical, it's a serious question.

I told you in an earlier post that he'd take it to his site, away from the debate going on here in this thread. I've proven to you that he's a liar, Fugazi, but you don't seem to care. Nor do you care that the tactics he employs are dirty and low by anyone's standards. Can you say the same about me, Fugazi?

He outright betrays me, and this is the apology I get. That, and

http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/

Dear MASHER, I see you are momentarily almost completely out of shit. Chin up, you'll be back to your normal self soon old boy. Must be tough with the old lady, the horses, the veggies, the car, the MP3 investigation, the 24/7 SPAMMING. Courage, but my advice is to keep your horse's ass out of that fancy car.

Quas, great expose on them Thornbirds. Oh, they were breathing hot and heavy down Eric's neck. Tenacious and, I thought, transparently mendacious. Now who does that remind me of?

Ton, you tear through the chum with great vigor and relish. May the bucket brigade always bless us.

MASHER, if you're steal there, BLOW ME. According to my copy of the Rand-McNally, New York is on page 42. Are you coming by land or by sea? Don't forget to pack the sieze engine. Do keep us posted.

When the history books are written, we can say we were there when MASHER "took New York and DC!"

Eric Hufschmid (and Daryl Bradford Smith) claims that he didn't include the fact that Israel and Zionists were behind 9/11 in his book "Painful Questions" and in his video "Painful Deceptions" was because he didn't know about it at the time.

Well, well...!!! Eric's good buddy, Christopher Bollyn, says otherwise.

Here is an excerpt of an email from Bollyn to Michael Collins Piper:
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> Mike, et al:
>
> I am not part of any team with Hufschmit and
> Smith. I and AFP helped Eric with his book before
> it was published
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I then emailed Piper asking when Bollyn and AFP knew about the Israeli/Zionist connection to 9/11.

Here is the timeline from Piper:
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The first issue of American Free Press following 9-11 was mailed out on September 14 (and dated September 24).

That issue contained a front page editorial by Willis Carto asking whether the CIA and the Mossad had any foreknowledge of 9-11. That same issue had an article by me entitled "Mossad Link to First WTC Bombing Raises Eyebrows."

The next issue of American Free Press, dated October 1 (which was mailed out on September 21, meaning that it was probably finished at the AFP office as early as September 19 or September 20) had a front-page headline: "Did Israelis Have Foreknowledge? Odd Occurrences Suggest Mideast Nation Knew of Attack Beforehand; Suspected Israeli gents Held by FBI." The article was by . . . Christopher Bollyn. It told the storyof the "dancing Israelis" picked up in the New York area.

That same issue of AFP had an article by me pointing out that on September 10, the day before 9-11, The Washington Times had an article saying that US Army School for Advanced Military Studies had issued a report saying that Israel's Mossad could stage an attack "and make it look like a Palestinian/Arab act." That article also detailed a long historical list of Israeli "False Flag" operations.

The October 15 issue of American Free Press (which was mailed on Oct. 5) had a small headline story on page two saying "More Evidence Says Israel Knew . . ." and told the now-famous story of the Israeli office of Odigo receiving advance warning of the World Trade Center attack. That issue also had an article by Christopher Bollyn indicating that "evidence" blaming "Muslim terrorists" for the 9-11 attack appeared to be fraudulent. Thus, of course, Bollyn was suggesting that the official story was, likewise, a fraud.

The October 29 issue of American Free Press (which was mailed on October 29) had an article by me (Michael Collins Piper) entitled "Israel's Secret Agenda: Funding Arab Terrorism" obviously suggesting that IF some Arabs and/or Muslims had been involved in the 9-11 attacks that they could have been being manipulated by Israel. This was a detailed article citing multiple "mainstream" sources ranging bak as far as 1972, all demonstrating the possibility of the Mossad having ultimately been behind 9-11, using Arab 'fronts."

The November 5 issue of American Free Press (mailed on October 26) contained a detailed full-page article by me (Michael Collins Piper) demonstrating how the Zionist-controlled media had repeatedly distorted what people had been saying surrounding the story of 4,000 "Jews" or 4,000 "Israelis" who had supposedly not shown up for work at the World Trade Center. This article also freely discussed the strong possibility of Mossad involvement, based on all of the varying details about 9-11 that were popping up.

The November 15 issue of American Free Press (mailed on November 2) featured an article by CHristopher Bollyn referring back to the Dancing Israelis that he had previously written about.

So there's no question about it: American Free Press was on top of the Israeli connection from the first . . . and Bollyn was fully aware of what AFP was reporting, consulting with AFP regularly, and also writing about it on his own.

So for Daryl Bradford Smith to have told James Condit, Jr. that "there was no evidence" (or words to that effect) about Israeli involvement in 9-11 back in 2001 is either evidence of his total ignorance (which is rather revealing, considering the fact that he is the guy who claims to have brought everything into the open in the first place) or it's evidence that he's a liar (which he's proven to be time and again).

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This is Daryl's interview with Jim Condit Jr to which Piper refers to in the above email.

http://www.iamthewitness.com/mp3/DarylBradfordSmith_Jim_Condit_22Apr2007...

Listen especially to minute 27 through minute 29. Jim Condit Jr notes that Eric didn't include the Zionist connection to 9/11 in his book and video. Daryl says Eric didn't include it in his book and video because it wasn't well known.
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BTW, I have the actual email (I have forwarded it to others).

Suzette

Suzette, I'm spread pretty thin these days dealing with Old Po's Spam-ish Inquistion.

Rather than scrutinize what you posted and searching the net for additional context, I'd pose the notion that FOREKNOWLEDGE was not limited to the Israelis and this was one of the earlier items that got the public's dander up.
I was barking to people about the foreknowledge long before I learned about the Zionist paw prints. Remember the warnings supposedly from all over (France, Russia, Germany, Israel, Egypt, etc., etc).

I don't have the exact date for the pubication of Eric's book, but off hand I'd say it was considerably earlier than Loose Change. Can you provide the dates for the release of both?

My suspicion is is that Eric went to press before some major items came to light which pointed to Israel. I could be wrong and THAT would be a worthwhile discussion although Chum Buddies Inc. might feel compelled to work overtime. Peace. Fester

Ton, you're too generous. I believed you noticed the pure (100% fact free) nature of this Chum Trail right from the git go. I must apologize though as I told you to expect MASSIVE chumming. The MASHER was down earlier. Wonder if it's a terminal condition. Should be plenty of fresh spew coming from Fuzzy or Poseidon, but perhaps the trawler's in dry dock for repairs. The Almanac I've got says to expect heavy chumming between the 21st and 30th. Perhaps we're in for a couple of BRAND NEW HAIRBALLs or some real fresh red herring.

Fuzzy gets 'mashed' - in a swift rhetorical rebuff from
da Masher, as Posie looks on - in abject perplexity.

da Masher appears to be pleading -
"First you take Rome, then you take Madrid !"

"Tune the Mass Dampers !"

Quas, brilliant again! I'm desparate for battle reports when he's got the engine done, the veggies pickled, the horse's ass pointed in the right direction, the wife duct-taped, etc., etc. Might the triumvirate execute a classic pincer action with multiple siege engines?

Can you verify that i've got the names on the right mugs? Could you zoom in and see if there are positive signs of late stage syphilis? I expect they've shared whatever's going around.

Multiple Siege Engine at the Ready

TRIUMVIRATE - fully primed for classic pincer action -

Upper center - Masher mans the pult, through haze of war

Lower Center - Posie looks for more sulfa drugs

A CLASSIC THREE-PRONGED INQUISITION ATTACK !

Fester you are sure a good one. Again you seem to be a tad stunned still.. OK ...I .. Will.... talk .....Slowly......First YOU (YOURSELF) take D.C. THEN "YOU" (Same YOURSELF) take New York.

Was ... that ... SLOW ..... enough for you? you .... Seemed ... Somewhat....confused.... Thought ...I ... Would ....Translate .... For ... You.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Quas, I'm down and maybe out...what chance does Ol Po have of finding sulfa drugs in the 15th century? Too cruel. Would quibble about the size of that en-gine. Looks way too bulky for the S.I. to ever get over the Catskills with. Not sure Hizzoner is gonna be sweating the assault. Nothing mounted on the front of a tricycle? With stickers?

Fuzzy seems to have dropped the Sword of Inquisition. At the moment, Ol Po and MASHER are munging around in a much smaller pond with some small fry. Think they've been pummeled a little too cruelly on da CHUM TRAIL, but just when you think the buckets have run dry....

Sorry MASHER, but you OWN the rights to that battle cry. No way I'm gonna adopt it and have you telling the gang that I'm a thief and liar. Been there, done that.

Besides, we've got photos of you manning siege engines of various magnitudes. The only questions remaining are which route you're going to take, the tactics you'll employ, and WHEN???

You'll recall from our previous encounter that I've urged you to abandon such foolishness. Oh well.

I beg your pardon, Ton, but I never promised you a FACT GARDEN. MASHER ain't planting that variety of seed. I sense that Team Chum is licking certain wounds and regrouping. I think they're assembling a larger chorus and will be back shortly to CHUM HARDER. Check the Almanac; it's gonna be CHUM, CHUM, and more CHUM. YUMMY!

The Zionists are the sneakiest bunch, the truth is just not within them. They're desperate to discredit this trio because of their focus on Zionism and it's agents. Time and again, I see obvious Zionist shills accusing DBS of being co-intel, cia, agent provocateur with nothing but farcical evidence of their lies. They fling and smear Zionut sh*t insults like the faithful Mammonites they are. All 'Heil Lucifer the bringer of wealth' er.. Light, that's (not) it! =P All that paper funny money is gonna burn hot in Sheol with rivers of molten gold for them if they don't change their ways.

A quote from Israel Shamir in 2003:

"Jews played a central role in American finance during the 1980s, and they were among the chief beneficiaries of that decade's corporate mergers and reorganizations. Today, though barely 2% of the nation's population is Jewish, close to half its billionaires are Jews. The chief executive officers of the three major television networks and the four largest film studios are Jews, as are the owners of the nation's largest newspaper chain and the most influential single newspaper, the New York Times".

This ratio of 2:50 means that Jews are 25 times as influential on America than they should be. The other 50% of the billionaires (Goy) serve the same money masters, the Khazar/Ashkenazi banking klans. So when you see the userers that usurped the wealth of the many old monarchies and their subjects are of Judaic/Talmudic influence, you know why there are 25 times more Jewish billionaires per capita than Goy in America; which of course leads to the many billions/year in support for Israel and it's 300 nukes.

Whilst we speak, people everywhere are being ethnically cleansed with weapons financed and produced by our global crimeocracy. They have no interest in peace, only a controlled, endless, war for profit, debt-usury, pillaging of resources and 'population control'. Ever wonder why Israel would missle the Hamas minister's HOUSE who brokers a ceasefire between the rival Palestinians? (that one's easy)

Fact is, racism exists in many places, but none are as racist as the Zionists who claim to be secular but then would have no religious claim to the holy land as God's chosen people. More likely they are hiding their true nature and are as the Talmudists who consider everyone else Amalek, like an animal you may kill or sacrifice. Just like the constant changing of names to hide identities and intentions, the snake will shed it's skin again; only now we know.

Name any 'War' of the last while, be it WW 1-2-3?, Terror, Vietnam, Iraq 1-2-3, Civil, Afghan 1-2, Drugs, Bolshevik revolution, etc, etc, and you will find the criminal mafias run by the money masters profiteering their end; usually no matter which 'side' wins. Now the final beast is showing it's horns.

http://www.serendipity.li/zionism/shadow_of_zog.htm
http://www.serendipity.li/zionism.htm
http://www.maannews.net/en/index.php
http://198.62.75.1/www2/koestler/
http://www.adolfthegreat.com/index.html

Check this one out, it's called 'Megaphone', an Israeli Lobbying program; I recall a prominent Zionist 'truth seeker' having a megaphone as his trademark. We outnumber the Zionists worldwide 1:1000, so vote as you see fit, spread it around to unconventional sites and install it if you aren't fearful of Mossad spy software, lol =P Oh, Mossad spy; that jogs my memory, it's Alex Jones the megaphony truth seeker!

http://www.giyus.org/

Chomsky IS a Zionist Plant.

Period.

"I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"...Voltaire

Reply to: Grim Reality | Tue, 2007-05-22 16:12:
Grim Reality says: "Whilst we speak, people everywhere are being ethnically cleansed with weapons financed and produced by our global crimeocracy."

Of all the word's you put in ' marks I would have thought this would have been your first choice:

ethnically cleansed

Or is that 'murdered'?

Sorry to split hairs, it just catches on around here.

Reply to Peacetroll | Tue, 2007-05-22 16:38:

Peacetroll says "Chomsky IS a Zionist Plant."

Brilliant!

Evidently you believe Voltaire wasn't.

Suzette, thought I'd posted this yesterday but can't find it. My question regards your indictment of Eric for "denying the Zionist" role in his book. I don't have the dates handy, but it's my recollection that when his work came out there was much talk about international FOREKNOWLEDGE (Israelis, Russians, Germans, Egyptians, etc, etc). That was back in the "Bush Did It" days and I don't recall any of the stuff specifically incriminating the Zionists being out at that stage. What do you think? The only ones blaming the Zionists were those "crazy" Muslims in Pakistan etc.

You've raised an interesting point and one we surely can discuss intelligently. Fingers crossed. Fester

Well, i guess if that chum-trail was running dry, maybe that's why now Suzette is starting her campaign with full power, if not exactly with fully convincing substance.
That is the oldest trick in the book. Pretend to be their friend, until...

tontheon's spot on. I wouldn't trust Suzette as far as I could shot-put her. Like I said, I'm 80% convinced now that the Quo/Fugazi/Whipette (Suzette) triumvirate is a Zionist operation, possibly without the knowledge of Fugazi and the Sooz. Although, Suzette has been the moderator of both Hufschmid and Smith's myspace profiles in the past, so it's more likely she's no "useful idiot".

You're really going to have to decide whether or not your alliance with PlanetQueer is wise, Michael. I've asked you before, but you didn't answer. Do you subscribe to the modus operandi of PlanetQuo? Do you think it's ethical, fair practice to publish people's phone numbers, addresses, photos and IP details on public websites? Are you in on these "exposes", that put members of the anti-Zionist community in harm's way?

This fucking thing is an op, Michael. You're either in on it or you're not. I don't think these questions are at all unwarranted.

http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/

"First they know you, then laugh at you then hate you, then they fight you and then you win."

Michael:

"First they know you, then laugh at you then hate you, then they fight you and then you win."

So you use the tactics of a Nazi Zionist, misquote Gandhi, avoid the question, and tacitly admit that you're running a Zionist op here. So I'll take it your answer is yeah, you support the Queero.

"First they know you, then laugh at you then hate you, then they fight you and then you win."

Correction: first you think you know them, then you laugh at them, then they fight you, and then they lose. But you never stop laughing.

There was never any fight, never any war. Quo lost the game simply by playing it, revealing his true nature in the process. He's a liar, and he can't refute it. If he could, he'd be knocking over his dildo collection in his hurry to get here and do so.

I've asked him once, I've asked him a million times, show me the email evidence wherein I grant him the permission he was held by his word to request before sharing and publishing the email I sent him. But he can't, because the permission was never given. All he's done since I called him on it is showcase his creepy stalkerish wierdness in a public fucking forum.

"Done" is right. I promised qrswave I'd put an end to this folly soon enough, so seeing as you refuse to engage me in any serious debate or provide an explanation for all this pathetic crapola, this is as good a time as any.

http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/

The Zionuts are full of sh*t, it's plain to see. They're desperate to discredit Eric, Chris and Daryl for obvious reasons.

CoZ, just in case you didn't read the other thread, watch your arse around those stalker types; that posting of your info is a classic chickensh*t Zionut tactic that relays said info to JDL terrorists. Believe it, name your town in America. They like to beat people and burn down homes.

Just like in the Bolshevik USSR, there's way too many of us on their lists to ever be dealt with completely. Perhaps they'll try to starve us to death?

http://www.iamthewitness.com/Bollyn_Prosecution-Influenced-by-ADL.html

Boy when you pay the right folks for paint WOW!

Having fun?

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

MASHER, glad to see you pedalling your wares here at the "Indictment of Daryl B. Smith." You seem to be running out of steam. On the bright side, your quality remains unchanged.

Almost certain that you've begun the assualt on New York. Are you willing to share plans and tactics with us?

Do let me know how I can help.

Folks, I'm champing at the bits here, starving for real food

Suzette has "indicted" Hufschmid for failing to identify the Zionists as the people behind 911. I've posted a quick question to her but no reply, so I'm throwing open "The Suzette's Conjecture Smackdown." Her charge is worth discussing and I hope some folks have FACTS at their fingertips on either side of the issue. We, of course, welcome the usual Chummers, but hope to perhaps raise the bar a little at Ye Olde Chum Trail.

So, for openers, I've told Suzer that FOREKNOWLEDGE of the event does NOT equal proof that a party masterminded the 911 attack. Suze's claim is that Eric knew of Israeli foreknowledge at the time he published and his failure to indict the Zionists is proof he is a Zio-Denier. As I pointed out in the unanswered post to Suze, Russia had knowledge, Germany had knowledge, Egypt had knowledge, etc, etc.

Much more and much harder info against the Zionists emerged later and the it is much more reasonable to charge the Loose Change boys with omission than Hufschmidt.

Rivero's page on Larry Silverslime says(www.whatreallyhappened.com/cutter.html),"the documentary 'America Rebuilds', aired September 2002." I can't find Suze's indictment page, but I recall she said it came out about the same time as Larry shat himself.

Anyone able to put up relevant dates etc. so as we can test the Conjecture and demonstrate a bit more investigative good faith here on the Chum Trail?

Grim Reality:

The Zionuts are full of sh*t, it's plain to see. They're desperate to discredit Eric, Chris and Daryl for obvious reasons.

CoZ, just in case you didn't read the other thread, watch your arse around those stalker types; that posting of your info is a classic chickensh*t Zionut tactic that relays said info to JDL terrorists. Believe it, name your town in America. They like to beat people and burn down homes.

Grim, I saw your other post, thanks for your concern. I live in Australia, but the Zionist Jews, ADL etc are just as active here and just as influential, make no mistake about it.

In fact, since I've been in association with PlanetQuo I've already had someone pay a visit to my home, probably just a driveby. Look at this email I received from PlanetQuo, back when we were posting at the NOLAJBS forum. It was titled "Donnie Darko is stalking you":

MESSAGE SENT THROUGH YOUR WEBSITE

Be proud. :-)

According to Quo, it was sent to his website by the poster we were both beefing with at the time, using the NOLAJBS handle "Donnie Darko".

"Tell James he has a pretty crap white sedan out the side. 1BCG something."

That little statement was proof that someone had been past my house, because the "1BCG" sequence was indeed the first four characters of the number plate of the car in my driveway at the time. It's still there. There's no way that was a guess. I've never believed that PlanetQueer had anything to do with it, but now that it's looking like an operation is talking place with him at the centre of it, anything's possible. "Brendan O'Donnell", the poster behind the Donnie Darko handle, apparently does live in my state, and possibly in my city, so I've always believed it was him. PQ and Donnie were beefing too, and I very much doubt that Donnie Darko and PlanetQuo's silly forum display was staged, and that they're in fact part of the same team, but who the fuck knows. Nothing would surprise me anymore.

People have to make up their own minds about the motives and agenda of the PlanetQuo/Fugazi duo. His NOLAJBS/Donnie Darko expose is here. PlanetQueer certainly does loves his "exposes".

Anyway, as far as "watch[ing] my arse" goes, there's not much I can do now that he's published my home address, IP addy and landline number (and a whopping big photo of me for good measure). But I'm always watching my arse, don't you worry about that.

http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/

Eric Hufschmid, with Jimmy Walter, testifying under oath before a special committee investigating charges brought
forth in the first "Suzette Smackdown" phase of a new Spamish Inquisition Trial, on WUFYS Radio Nuremberg.
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Mr.Hufschmid has been quoted as affirming the following,
under severe penalty of Plagiary, and Zionist Denial -
in response to a tantamount question of the smackdown -
Why didn't he write about ZIONIST INVOLVEMENT ?

"I just didn't feel like writing about it, after I found out
all that Zioshit was already scooped by Thorn's Bird."

"I didn't want to be accused of plagiarising a big scoop, and I knew damn well Thorn's Bird would be pissed."

"So I opted out on a self-help manual for 9-11 induced hemorrhoids, instead. Mike Piper talked me into it."

"He even offered to send me a whole lifetime supply
of his new miracle snake oil, "Hemorrhoid Be Gone",
if I would let him promote the book on his show."

"AN ANAL ANALYSIS of a HEMORRHOID ATTACK"

"Thorn's Bird was such a fine piece of work, I wanted her to have a crack at it, before all that Zioshit hit the fan"...

"Needless to say, I'm so happy for Thorn's Bird, and her phenomenal success in exposing THE FINAL TABOO, and demolishing the 9-11 Truth Movement for good !"

Are there ANY DVD movies that include analysis of the Zionist/Israeli connection to 9/11? Perhaps all the people that didn't bother are Zionuts?

Being the only ones CAUGHT RED HANDED in the crime of 9/11, it's amazing we're not occupying Israel right now, disbanding their criminal Zionist movement WORLDWiDE and enforcing a FAIR PEACE AGREEMENT for ALL the inhabitants of Palestine. T'would be a far better cause than Afghanistan/Iraq/Aryan/Persia. Perhaps in a perfect world not controlled by genocidal, thieving war-mongers!

DOWN WITH THE VIPERS!
ALU AKHBAR!

GrimR, 911 Mysteries has Larry Silverslime with his swordfish smile talking about the "feelings of the victims" right before he says "but we gotta rebuild".

Yo, SuperDooperPooperScooper, how about them answers you promised. I know you can't read good, so I'll be patient, but you scrunching up your brow and wasting all avaiable cog resources trying to wound me with your savage name calling. Ouch.

Once more, here's your self-imposed assignment. Squirm your way out again if you want, but you won't last long over here in the Big Pond.

1) He's about to show where I did a transvestite act on Smith.

2) He's gonna lay out his sterling legacy of efforts in the truth movement for us.

3) Then, he's gonna take us to the moon when he splains how to get people to take action.

Quas, ouch, ouch, and ouch again!

No idea where Suzette is. I really think we could put up a useful timeline and have civil and fruitful discussion.

The small fry seem to have bolted the Big Pond here. There were congregating and congratulating each other a day or two ago with the usual boilerplate lies. Just the Old Duper thrashing in his own spam. I do believe the others know when they've been kicked hard in the nads.

If we've seen the whole prosecution case, it'll be time to wrap up and post the results.

Dude, Ma'am, sir, we were talking on the other thread called Daryl Smith Guilty. Are you so inebriated that you forget where we posted last? I am way past indictment, so I don’t want spend any time here.

Never promised any answers, so stop playing troll games. But I have to admit, for a transvestite, you are a lot of fun. Oh no, I can’t believe I just said that!

Name calling? You mean like SuperDuperPooperScooper. Check the threads, not much name calling from me. But you obviously can dish it out, but can’t take it very well. Are you afraid to return where you once belonged?

BTW, I will be doling out the assignments to you, my lady.

Ton, the fabulous Thornbirds are down the chum trail a little. Quas has been tearing big hunks outta their sorry, lying asses.

The Inquistion does seem to have turned tail and moved on to "greener" pastures. Still they invested prodigious quantities of time and energy SMEARING and a CHUMMING here at WUFYS.

Very disappointed to see no takers of the Suzette Conjecture offer. Perhaps, they'll come with the Sun tomorrow.

Excuse me, but I gotta dash and brace myself for Duper's imminent presentation of his LEGACY and ACTION PLAN. I expect in on stone tablets.

Those of you who are sick and tired of the visiting Daryl Bradford Smith/Daryl Sutter/Fester...... and want to do something HERE is your chance. Grab your microphone encode yourself a 5 or 10 minute MP3 Telling Us all just why this person is not really wanted around here.

Bit rate to your discretion. Muti-encodes i.e. More than one 10 minute block ok just don't have me doing too much editing K. Whatever you have to say about this or whatever is OK. Perfect time to say HI to everyone because i am going to Wait,Compile,Edit,Mix,Upload and post the results with a special Just From Me. Email ME your Mp3 files today. Masher1@gmail.com

I may be busy But i am always here. Have Fun everyone! ;)

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

Duper, glad you found your way over to the Big Pond. This where the heavyweights hang out and debate the Daryl B. Smith question which you are such an expert on.

It's strictly small fry at transparently diversionary and appallingly CHUMMY "Smith Guilty." Real men swim with da sharks. Glad you're "man" enough to come on in and get all wet.

Simple Challenge: What's your BEST charge against Smith. 30 words or less. Nice and clear. Links to info don't count as words. No penalty for spelling, but you'll get your ass chewed if you try chumming.

Waiting on the stone tablets with your MIGHTY LEGACY in the truth movement and YOUR ACTION PLAN. You don't have to try and show how I changed positions on Smith as that's such a sorry example of illiteracy that I wouldn't want to embarrass you that much.

Ready? Good. We're all ears Big Fella.

They're regrouping around the can, trying to squeeze out some more sh*t to fling, but with blowing out all that hot gas, they forgot to eat!

Perhaps a diarrhrea fight next? lol

yuck yuck yuck

Looks like the Prosecution is working the courtroom with a hi-tech "Friendship Card." MASHER can I wear your "Friendship Ring." It's my party and I'll cry if I want to.

Ton, the good news is it looks like the Chum Tide is Rising. Is it a return of the dreaded Spam-ish Inquisition? Fear not, there'll be plenty for all.

Thanks for all your invaluable help skimming and scumming all of that spamish spam from out of our great chum slick.

It's time for my nightcap and my nitey poo. However the last reliable report I had on those "Thornbirds" can be found here and also here under 'Sterling Commentary'...scroll back up.

Evaluate the poster's reputation and record of attacking Zionism. When the Zioshills are under pressure, they will bring in 'new' team members posing as 'anti-Zionists', who will stick out like a sore thumb against those who have solid anti-Zionist credentials.

For example, tontheon made a good comment about Ahmadinejad being an "outstanding man" and a "true leader". But it would be as easy as falling off a log for a shill to post for a couple of days, posing as an 'opponent' of Zionism who is 'unconnected' with Daryl Smith's team, but just happens to support him.

Another suspect shill is Grim Reality, who promotes Lucifer Bal-Loon, his stage-managed 'assault', and Homeland Security's plans to target anyone silly enough to contribute to Bal-Loon's fund and buy a gun just after DBS had called upon his followers to do so.

Kats suggested - on the Daryl Bradford Smith Guilty!! thread - that the evidence should be presented so as to distinguish between the verifiable evidence and the actions of the individuals, and show a connectivity between the two. I agree, it's a good point, although maybe Kats should take a look at the evidence on this thread. Information pointing to the falsity and unreliability of Daryl Bradford "Smear", "Esther" Duffsmirch and Lucifer Bal-Loon has continued to pour in over the past year, and a video lasting a mere few minutes is not going to do it justice. Kats has been posting on WUFYS for more than ten weeks, and does not look like a Zionist agent.

And there are question marks over some attackers of Smith, most notably PlanetQuo. One theory is that PlanetQuo is designed to be a replacement for TFC when the latter implodes in the weeks ahead. But PlanetQuo 'deduced' that I am debus, which demonstrates that his 'detective work' makes Inspector Clouseau look like a genius. (Mind you, there was a brief period when I was speculating that Suzette was Eric, so I'm not perfect. But I didn't say I'd stake my reputation on that!)

At the start of a COINTELPRO Deguello operation like Hufsmith/Bollyn, they are supposed to present as competent, legitimate investigators. Then, when people start to get wise to their tricks and it starts to fall apart - as with TFC - the increasing incompetence and deception works to their advantage when the operation is scuttled. The idea is to discredit other researchers' anti-Zionist work that the agents have associated themselves with and tried to pass off as their own. Quo should stick to making the websites and soundtracks, and let others carry out the research.

As for Fester, he lost whatever little credibility he had built up as an 'anti-Zionist', having been caught faking another identity (Lotus). Fester may or may not be Smith, but his continued shrill noises in support of Smith show that he is clearly one of Smith's team rather than merely an independent supporter.

Readers might like to see a long debate I got involved in, in this thread at LibertyPost:
http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=158547&Disp=All&#C132

I joined in at post 66.My principal opponent was a character named BeAChooser. It's worth looking at for the links provided and a wealth of information about 9/11. Consider who is the more likely Zionist shill and/or whether a "Zionist agent" would go to much trouble to expose Zionism. Compare the extent of my attacks on Zionism with some of those here who, say, have made a statement in support of the Iranian President.

That thread also shows some of my comments at the time I was becoming suspicious of Chris Bollyn. The BeAChooser character eventually bowed out in despair, after I had exposed him as a cretin who did not even understand basic geometry.

Dear Poseidon, once upon a time I, Fester, never had nor sought "credibility" as I was content to read the good postings here.

It was only when I attempted to steer people to a couple of pieces at www.iamthewitness.com that I became a "shill" and a "troll." I was puzzled by what seemed like a blackout on the subject of TFC here at WUFYS.

Then I came across what I thought was some fine stuff at your website. I also saw your charges against Smith which I dismissed as based upon some bullshit personal squabble.

However, it soon became clearer that MASHER, yourself, and others were making a career of poo-pooing Smith, Bollyn, and Hufschmid, so I thought to find out EXCATLY what they were "guilty" of.

My "credibility" began to tank when I ask you for the evidence.

Suddenly the thread was innundated with reams of innuendo, obvious inaccuracies, and seveal ludicrously implausible HAIRBALL theories.

When questions were raised, you changed tack and issued more reams of irrelevant info. This was duly pointed out, but on you guys gushed, and it became EVIDENT that your ONLY HOPE was that your Uncle Fester and other critical thinker would tire and fade away, so that you could resume your most lofty and unchallenged PRONOUNCEMENTS against Smith.

Unfortunately for you and the Spamish Inquisition, I was more amused that wearied by your heavy CHUMMING of the intellectual waters here.

Having given you ample opportunity to present your case and getting nothing but CHUM outta you, I saw you for what you are: an obvious DISINFO CLOWN (only the sorriest and most lonely types would engage in such fervid argumentation if the matter was as at root a personal squabble).

And now having exposed repeatedly in public, you have slunk off and no longer reveal pathetic wares for scrutiny on on the Indictment thread.

You have invited ridicule and I will serve it you.

When I have more time, I will summarize your nonsense for the casual reader of this thread. You will choose either to come back and "present the facts" some more or, more likely, will lead/support efforts to make the Indictment a nuisance to the site.

You've tried the Pay No Attention to the Man Behind the Curtain routine before. It's really well past time for you to realize that it is you, Mr. Take Our World Back, who need but lack credibility. You truly are an obvious fellow.

Looking at his posts i think the dude does not even read his own blog. Or if he is he is not getting it.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

I think there's far too much paranoia and finger-pointing going on here. This may or may not be fortuitous, but one thing's for sure; the more time the anti-Zio community spends cocking eyebrows at one another and wasting time on bullshit, the more the war on Zionism is marginalised. I don't mean to suggest that identifying the shills is unimportant; it is. But Poseidon, I've been watching this thread for a long time now, and your assertions about tontheon and Grim Reality are in stark contrast to your "3 key guys" theory, which I was kinda subscribing to for awhile there. I don't see any reason to suspect Grim or tontheon of 'shillery', and I think it's highly unlikely that a serious operation would make it's debut in the comment section of WUFYS, especially in the manner that they have.

Poseidon:

And there are question marks over some attackers of Smith, most notably PlanetQuo. One theory is that PlanetQuo is designed to be a replacement for TFC when the latter implodes in the weeks ahead. But PlanetQuo 'deduced' that I am debus, which demonstrates that his 'detective work' makes Inspector Clouseau look like a genius.

I'm assuming you're referring to the replacement theory I put forward in the French Connection Counter-Op blog. I think we can pretty much rule that out in the light of recent developments; not only does PlanetQuo P.I. think you operate the debus handle, but now he's unleashed a bombshell expose asserting that I'm Brendon O'Connell aka Donnie Darko aka Quo Vadius aka True Believer. I've thought about it and looked at the reasons why he might come to that conclusion, and he can't possibly believe this. I encourage you to check out the link I provided and make up your own minds.

So it looks like by the time PlanetClouseau has finished his detective work, the anti-Zionist community will be exposed to be only about five people, operating under 150 handles each. After all, according to him I'm already 8 personae: James Linton, Crimes of Zion, Infensus Mentis, Brendon O'Connell, Quo Vadius, True Believer, Donnie Darko, and Fester. The Truth is, I'm James Linton whose pseudonym is Infensus Mentis on myspace and on my blogsite, Crimes of Zion. You can see via that link that I post my articles as Infensus Mentis and use the same logo as I do on myspace; I go by Crimes of Zion here because I'm representing my blogspot on this site. None of that was ever a mystery to anyone that cared to look.

At the start of a COINTELPRO Deguello operation like Hufsmith/Bollyn, they are supposed to present as competent, legitimate investigators. Then, when people start to get wise to their tricks and it starts to fall apart - as with TFC - the increasing incompetence and deception works to their advantage when the operation is scuttled. The idea is to discredit other researchers' anti-Zionist work that the agents have associated themselves with and tried to pass off as their own.

Zackly. This is why the replacement theory is redundant, on the strength of the overwhelming evidence that the PlanetQuo operation is just not sophisticated or credible enough to be the anti-Zio substitute for such a switchover.

(Mind you, there was a brief period when I was speculating that Suzette was Eric, so I'm not perfect. But I didn't say I'd stake my reputation on that!)

Well, Suzette has moderated both Eric and Daryl's myspace profiles in the past, so in that sense, she has "been Eric", at least on her little forays through the myspace cybergutter. You weren't all that far off the mark.

But yeah, too much schizo-noia going on for my liking. Qrswave was spot on about there being too much crapola going on here, and I'm largely to blame for it, I know. Any ho, back to work.

http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/

Have i tried to insert some snippets of propaganda in my posts? What have i done? Except DISAGREED with you about Daryl.

Eric and Daryl have pointed out dubious verifiable connections between Piper, Duke, WingTV ET AL

So Eric and Daryl assert that there are "mysterious" connections between Piper, Duke, Wing TV, etc, and therefore that makes them suspicious? The following excerpt from TFC demonstrates the 'quality' of their 'arguments':

Take a look at all the audio files of Daryl Bradford Smith since 2005: http://www.iamthewitness.com/ByPerson.html

Now compare that to what comes from Alex Jones, Ted Gunderson, Anthony Hilder, Mark Lane, Mark Weber, Curt Maynard, Webster Tarpley, the antiwar groups, the veterans groups, the Institute for Historical Review, Don Harkins of The Idaho Observer, and all other investigators and truth seekers.

The three of us (Bollyn, Hufschmid, and Smith) are the newcomers. Yet in the span of a few years, we have produced more important material that all of the other people put together. And all of those other investigators try to ignore us.

There are not many ways to explain this. Either the other people are incredibly stupid, or they are Zionist agents.

If you look closely at any of the un-productive people, you will find that they are not stupid. Instead, you will find that they have mysterious connections to one another.

It is too difficult for any of us to understand what these connections are, but you can see that something is suspicious. As an example, consider the strange connections between Anthony Hilder and other suspicious people.

http://www.iamthewitness.com/Ostrovsky-deception.html

It's possible that paranoid conspiracy nuts are taken in by nonsense like that. TFC's claims are evidence-free deliberate disinformation designed to divide and stifle the truth movement. Crimes of Zion gave a good definition along the lines of disinformation being the deliberate spreading of falsehoods or baseless rumor; misinformation is what we all do from time to time when we innocently spread disinfo or inaccuracies. So you could be innocently spreading their disinfo.

Poseidon, about you and the rest of Spam-ish Inquisition many dubious things about your tactics have been pointed out time and again, and you NEVER attempt to reply to the accusations.

What accusations? If you look back through the thread, you'll see that I have diligently replied to numerous comments and points raised, so your claim of "never" is an outright lie.

YOU are the one spreading baseless rumour and innuendo. Not ME

You just spread baseless rumor and innuendo about Piper, Duke and Wing TV, even if you were merely parroting it from disinfo agents.

Hufschmid and Smith's list of "Crypto-Zionists" includes Ingrid Rimland, Germar Rudolf, Ernst Zundel, Mark Glenn, David Irving, David Duke, Mike Piper, Mike Berger, Gerard Holmgren, Wayne Madsen, Kurt Nimmo, Webster Tarpley, Frank Whalen, Willis Carto, Christopher Petherick, John Stadtmiller, Dylan Avery, Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, Eustace Mullins, William Rodriguez, Mike Rivero,, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Ellen Mariani, Curt Maynard, Sam Danner, Jim Hoffman, Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan, and countless others. Hufschmid asserts that there are "thousands of Crypto-Zionist web sites" and there may be "hundreds of thousands - possibly millions -" of members in the Zionist movement, and 99% of the truth seekers are "somehow connected to the criminal network" and are "useless".

Their "million agents" - "99% of truthseekers are criminals" theory is absolute bunkum, and they know it!

Apart from their deliberate promotion of disinformation about anti-Zionists being "Zionist agents", the verifiable evidence against TFC and Bollyn includes Eric's Israel-friendly book and video, Smith's claim that they won't use Skype because it "won't network the way they want", their contradiction-riddled claims such as Bollyn being the biggest exposer of Zionism whilst at AFP which was "Zionist-controlled" and Bollyn/Hufschmid suddenly going from Sam Danner's dupes to the greatest identifiers of deception the movement has ever known, or Bollyn being a world-class exposer of Zionism but so unstreetwise that he did not realise that running from armed police with a Taser was not a good idea, TFC's emphasis on audio rather than written material, and the convenience of Smith being allegedly based in France so as to provide them with a pretext to say very little about the holohoax, Smith's prominent position as the "Black Mamba" self-styled leader of the truth movement whilst refusing to show his face, his constant attacks on rivals (e.g. claims that they are pedophiles), leading on of guests to come up with any dirt they can on a third party, and his betrayal of guests who were his 'friend', Bollyn's unconvincing cover story about a library banning a book, his unsubstantiated claim of a "death threat" in 2000, his connection to David Rockefeller, his former Israeli Jewish wife who worked for the intelligence service (or his lies about that) and his connection to Israel, his "Walter Mitty" record as a journalist and sacking by AFP for being unreliable, his promotion of the Sam Danner hoax, his unconvincing staging and inconsistency in reporting (e.g. lying when he claimed that regular traffic cops were body armor-wearing, heavily-armed agents from a covert gang-suppression unit) of a police "assault", his unsubstantiated claim about a conspiracy by Piper, Makufka, Homeland Security, Jews, and the Hoffman Estates police to "get" him, his evidence-free claim of Piper having an ADL handler, Bollyn's apparent connection to individuals with untraceable license plates and receipt of money from overseas, Hufschmid's links to Rupert Murdoch, his promotion of Murdoch's "Apollo hoax" theory, his ability to finance high quality glossy magazine style pictures in the aforementioned 2002 book, his (debunked) claim that AFP had "censored" Bollyn's work, his promotion of, or being suckered by, Sam Danner, and his so-called "paranoia" of imagining that everyone else - apart from Bollyn and Smith! - are Zionist agents.

I say there is more evidence that Smith / Hufschmid / Bollyn are agents, than Zundel, Rimland, Rudolf, Irving, Rivero, Piper, Carto, Stadtmiller, Glenn, Duke, Ahmadinejad, Mariani, Mark Lane, Steven Jones and all the rest.

Yes, Piper points out that Hufschmid attacks "good" people because he does. That would only seem suspicious to a member of Smith's bizarre cult. I point out others' suspicious behavior, such as those who invent baseless claims of 'suspicious behavior".

The funny thing is that in Festerian logic, it's supposed to be okay for Saint Eric, Saint Daryl or Saint Christopher to call 99% of truth seekers and just about everyone else in the truth, patriot or nationalist movement "Zionist agents", but when someone such as myself points out that such actions suggest that the terrible trio are themselves agents, that is supposed to make me a "Zionist agent"! In Festerian logic, one could not even deduce anything about the temperature of swallows' blood given that birds are warm-blooded and swallows are birds. Birds might be cold-blooded and warm-blooded at the same time, since Festerian logic permits contradictions. Hence, it does not allow one to deduce anything other than multiple parallel realities.

You may not be an agent, in which case you'll have to learn in your own time.

Suzette and WUFYS gets a mention on the May 23 Piper Report. There is further exposure of lies emanating from Duffsmear Bal-Loon and their 'supporters' (shills).

Larry Silverstein is to be known as "the god of Jewish lightning".

To let all your listeners hear about the origins of the Ben freedman Mp3 file Mr Smith? Did you and Eric cook this file up? Never an answer to this important question. WHY is that?

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

MASHER, you're back and in peak form. Never have you mustered such insight, wit, and intelligence. All I could possibly add is to make sure to load up on poo BEFORE flinging next time! You know, in patented MASHER-sytle.

But I'm unfair to you. You're driving on NY. Are the Zionists on the run yet? Bet they can feel you breathing down their necks now buddy. See if Duper will share his Super Duper Action Plan with you. That'll be a huge help. TRUST ME! I KNOW!

Under the tree the idiot sat
Amusing himself by abusing himself
And.....

MASHER, you said,

"Are you going To let all your listeners hear about the origins of the Ben freedman Mp3 file Mr Smith? Did you and Eric cook this file up? Never an answer to this important question. WHY is that?"

THAT actually IS an interesting and worthwhile question. You astonish me! I would genuinely like to hear the answer to that. It is a shame that you couldn't get that one up at the outset.

My reaction to it is that the CONTENT of the Freedman tape is SUPPORTED by the works of others (Ford, Webster, etc.). Even if there are genuine questions around the Freedman tape, unless my previous statement is wildly off, then it's not a major issue. Anyone care to set me straight here with some FACTS.

Also, if the Freedman tape is problematic, does it's appearance not fit the Zio M.O. of releasing the truth ahead of the curve so as to be able to smear the messenger and the message.

MASHER, do we have a conversation here or are you gonna CHUM me buddy?

Looks like NOLAJBS sussed out that I accessed their site via anonymouse (they banned me months ago), so I can't even get onto it using a proxy server. I went there just recently using anonymouse when Quo asserted that he'd never called me a "good friend" in the forum, because I remembered that his actual words were "Infensus Mentis is indeed a friend, [but he's his own man and can speak for himself]" or some such thing (because Donnie Dicko was giving him shit about being friends with me after I mentioned the federal cop I know). Just now I wanted to fetch a few links to some Donnie Darko/Quo Vadius posts so that viewers of this thread could check out his posts (DD and QV are the same person; he/she admitted it). Also, I do believe PlanetClouseau is right about "True Believer" being Donnie Darko/Quo Vadius/Brendan O'Connell. Their writing styles are pretty much identical.

Anyway, others will be able to check out the threads at NOLAJBS here. Just click on forum once you're there and then go to the 9/11 section. Unfortunately NOLAJBS has privatised or hidden the Ed Haas and the Conversation in Hebrew thread where the fighting and bullshit between Donnie Darko and I went down, but you can still see a veritable shitload of DD's posts. I don't think any of mine are there, but I could be wrong. There are quite a few posts by PlanetQuo there. Also, you can see PlanetClouseau's write-up on NOLAJBS and Donnie Darko/Quo Vadius here.

So necessarily, PlanetQueer is asserting indirectly that the whole shitfight between Donnie Disinfo and myself was staged, because he now believes (or claims to believe) that we're the same person. Brendon O'Connell aka Donnie Dicko even reported me to the police for saying I could get hold of his address via this fed dude I know (he suggested we meet in a veiled threat to me because we live in the same state, which I accepted - he later backed out like a little coward, despite his claims of being a 110kg former bouncer), and provided evidence of it in the form of a screenshot of the written reply he got from the police, or the ombudsman or something. I can't find the link to it, but Quo has it.

So apparently I'm Donnie Disinfo aka Quo Vadius aka Infensus Mentis, who fought with himself for days on end in a forum and reported myself to the police. Heh. This is fucking ridiculous. What's interesting about it though, is that he's gonna have to run with it; he can't back out of it now, he'll look like an utter twat. I wanna know what Fugazi thinks about all this, and whether or not PlanetClouseau actually consulted Fugazi (Michael) before making such a monumental fuck-up. After all, they're a "team", as stated in his little Nina "expose":

[...]PlanetQuo can no longer support or promote Daryl Bradford Smith and Eric Hufschmid. My friends, Michael (Fugazi) and Suzette (Whippette) have also withdrawn their support. From hereonin, the three of us work together as a team.

I'd be interested to hear from Michael (and the rest of you, for that matter) about what he thinks about Quo's latest bombshell revelation.

http://crimesofzion.blogspot.com/

Where did you get the MP3 from? Answer the Question. Is a faked recording like it sounds? What about the Edits Herd therein. Who provided the source for this file? Does the FC bunch even have a show without this file to get there game running? Why is this recording not ever attainable on the LP? Without the WAX this file is garbage. And i don't give a crap WHO endorses the content now.

Pre 03' this set of records is a matter of record WHERE? I would think that being the keystone of Daryl's whole FC thing he would have a bit of substantiation on it's appearance around 03'.

I have asked This and like Q's of them and they will never say anything about it. Nothing at all. So it must be some kinds of bullshit somehow and that they are not willing to say is just making them look guilty.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.