Gentlemen, you asked why I said Daryl was a "zionist tool." I apologize. That were tongue in cheek and was an attempt to draw out the "facts against him" which some of our brethren hold so closely guarded.
The pcapostate reprinted a piece by curt maynard which slammed Daryl (http://pcapostate.blogspot.com/2006/08/bill-oreilly-is-lying-son-of-whor...).
I read curtsy's piece and have decided to offer a summary of all known crimes of Daryl Bradford (Setter) Smith:
1 - he had a stepfather and fails to reveal that he used the stepdad's name for a while
2 - hides out (lives) in France
3 - asked people to do some digging and find out who sits on the boards of local institutions. he wanted the lists mailed to him...like getting more people invovled in research work rather than the masses sitting on ass listening
4 - says AFP censored Bollyn
5 - says Alex "it's the Germanic Death Cult" Jones is full of crap.
6 - he hasn't been "molested" like Faurisson for his work (Maynard is either a compelete idiot or hasn't heard Daryl's endless goddamn explanations of how he handles the Hollercurse topic)
7 - he's disses Saint Piper, John Kaminski, "King" Alex Jones.
8- he's "dividing the truth community" by asking people to proceed carefully and look for fraud and deception in the "truth movement" as well as the media.
An astonishing load of dogsh*t. Not a single item worth a bead of sweat. Maynard began by saying he thought DBS said a lot of good things, so why the descent into such nitpicking/wildly dumbass accusations?
Our very own MASHER was the first to put the boot in: "you are my hero this week Curt. Nice slap to the dreck or our world at the end. I happen to know fron first hand experence that DBS is a bold liar. He will even resort to influence and attack to support his lies (Again First hand)."
In an earlier post, I once again begged the Mashman to PLEASE, PLEASE, pretty goddamn please share ONE real instance of a significant LIE by Daryl. I don't doubt the Masher; I'm sure he's full of it. Mash, you tickle and tease so. Tis cruel to the point of madness.
Now I know Q values harmony and I respect that. I think Daryl could more diplomatic: remind listeners to remain vigilant without the venom. However, he's not physically well and for a long time he's been busting ass and spending money he doesn't really have. He clearly sees the scope of the problem and desperation and frustration creep in. Confess!
In conclusion, I would like to ask this intelligent community a simple question. Which is the more likely modus operandi for the Zionists to counter a potential 9/11 truth movement:
A) A frantic scramble in 2004-05 to put in place an "agent provacateur" with a phone and low-tech radio show in France who discovers many highly questionable sources among the truth movement OR
B) A long-term strategy to put in place people who then feed anti-Zionist truth to a tiny segement of the population ("conspiracy nuts"). If a crisis does develop, these truthtellers can then be used to steer enlightened elements off course
Piper's book on JFK is the best out there, but that's topic doesn't threaten to bring down the Zionist regime. Maybe his problems with DBS are petty personal crap. I don't know. But if he is actively working to steer people away from www.iamthewitness.com, then he MUST be considered highly suspect DESPITE the truth he has revealed. Curt Maynard doesn't, or isn't programmed to, GET that. The average person needs time to grasp the idea that disinfo works because the agent puts out LOTS of good info first.
We're working with incomplete information and we all make mistakes. I was a Ruppertarian for some years. I swallowed plenty of crap and helped spread it around.
The Zionists are still largely unseen by the masses but their asses are starting to hang out and they are clearly panicking as the Paula Zahn anti-Bollyn/DBS show proves.
DBS focuses on the right people, asks the right questions, and doesn't dick around. No recycled "Germanic Death Cult," no "JEWS, JEWS, JEWS" screaming, no yucking it up with George Noory and CNN. So far, it's all good.
Fester says, "Hang him high!"
www.iamthewitness.com/ByPerson.html
UAZ and Fester both prove their points, well done.
Anyone who exposes Zionists and their crimes and spreads this to others cannot be considered a Zionist agent.
One other counter-productive issue is that the constant exposure and discussion of Zionists and their crimes by people like us, can make it seem like the enemy is well organized and very powerful and almost impossible to bring down..Perhaps we should point out their weaknesses and our strengths and we should know that they can be brought down easily only if we all put our mind to it.
The Smithsonians have failed to provide a refutation of Smith's duplicity. Smith (and Hufschmid) assert that American Free Press is a Zionist-run operation, and they assert that Christopher Bollyn has exposed more about Zionist involvement in 9/11 than anyone else. Surely Smith and Hufschmid must have been aware that not more than one of these premises can be true, in which case they are proven liars. Waffle about Smith believing that all media is controlled doesn't cut it; the inconsistency remains with those two cornerstones of their thesis.
UAZ says:
If someone starts out with good information and their stories become questionable, it is not inevitable that they will be fired immediately. But Szymanski was fired and Bollyn was fired, consistent with AFP finding out that their stories were unreliable. On the other hand, if AFP was Zionist-controlled, they would certainly not have allowed Bollyn to remain in place for a full five years doing a superb job of exposing Zionist involvement in 9/11, as purported by Smithsonians. I can accept that an incompetent journalist with a rather fervid imagination might cling on to his job for some time before being fired, but a Zionist-controlled publishing outlet allowing an anti-Zionist free rein to continue exposing the crime of the century for a full five years? It is absurd!
I agree. But considering they have owned the media for about a century, perhaps it is not as difficult as it appears.
I'm not saying they don't want to take control. But they have been doing it the easy way, like GIYUS prompting Jews to defend Israel, and installing disinformation agents such as Tom Flocco, Mike Ruppert, Richard Grove, Greg Szymanski, Meria Heller, Morgan Reynolds, etc. Note how Smith's gang never attacks Richard Grove, who is a proven liar.
I wouldn't dispute your estimate of such paid agents numbering in the low hundreds. Jews who volunteer to defend Israel would extend well into the thousands. But Smith and Hufschmid are running a much more sophisticated operation than merely putting out a few disinformation pieces. They are agent provocateurs, gatherers of information on the truth movement, and Judas goats attempting to deceive 9/11 skeptics into believing that iamthewitness is the one true truth-telling source in order to establish a cult following that will attack Smith skeptics and provoke a schism within the movement. This is what I would mean by the "key guys" (which in any case is a term invented by the Smithsonians). Bollyn is rather more of an enigma, but he appears to have been forced to join the Hufsmith team after his cover was blown at AFP.
It's not just lawsuits, they also fear losing their jobs and being tarnished as an "anti-Semite" or a "conspiracy theorist".
They only expose, with the aid of their intelligence connections, just enough to maintain the illusion that they are anti-Zionists. It's a multi-tiered strategy fighting on several fronts. The thousands of Jewish volunteers defend Israel and promote the idea of "urban legends" and "anti-Semitic conspiracy theories". The hundreds of disinfo agents steer people towards Bush-Cheney, the Jesuits, the Pakistanis or the Saudis. The few "katsa-like" key agents divert a proportion of truth-seekers, those with an inability to detect who is genuine and who is not, then control the flow of information to the followers and induce in-fighting that benefits the criminal network.
Not 'agents' like Mike Rivero, Mark Glenn, Jim Hoffman, Kevin Ryan, Steven Jones, David Duke, Ernst Zundel, Germar Rudolf, David Irving, Ellen Mariani, Mike Piper, William Rodriguez, etc. The difficulty in recruiting such people and then successfully getting them to pose as "anti-Zionists" would be immeasurable, and the risks the crooks would run with the possibility of such people talking would make such an operation counter-productive.
I don't imply it, they do. See below...
They know from past experience Jones is only going to talk about the globalists, and Sheen has not done much research so will merely make a few points about WTC7. Damage limitation is carried out by means of character assassinations. Bollyn provided CNN with a superb opportunity to portray Israel's critics as racists and anti-Semites.
It is possible to deduce that some of Hufschmid's "Crypto-Zionist agents" are likely suspects, and the idea that others on his target list are secretly agents is patently ridiculous. Nature operates on a log scale, with a rich tapestry of probabilities extending from zero to certainty. Why then, should Eric imply Germar Rudolf, Ellen Mariani, Mark Glenn, William Rodriguez, Mike Piper, Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan, Jim Hoffman, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad or Mike Rivero is on a par with Tom Flocco, Morgan Reynolds or Alex Jones as likely "Zionist agents"?
What is the value of launching character assassinations on people without a scrap of evidence, people who are almost certainly innocent, when Alex Jones could be given the benefit of the doubt and probably does as much good as harm, and the likes of Hufschmid, Smith and Bollyn are certainly guilty and are poisoning the anti-Zionist truth movement?
You are correct. But I am being mischaracterised here. The number of key Scientology- or CIA-/FBI-trained agent provocateurs trying to establish a cult following who will become a disruptive influence is a very small proportion of the total agents employed.
Hufschmid and Smith's list of "Crypto-Zionists" includes Germar Rudolf, Ernst Zundel, Mark Glenn, David Irving, David Duke, Mike Piper, Mike Berger, Gerard Holmgren, Wayne Madsen, Kurt Nimmo, Webster Tarpley, Frank Whalen, Willis Carto, Christopher Petherick, John Stadtmiller, Dylan Avery, Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, Eustace Mullins, William Rodriguez, Mike Rivero,, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, Ellen Mariani, Curt Maynard, Sam Danner, Jim Hoffman, Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan, and countless others. Hufschmid asserts that there are "thousands of Crypto-Zionist web sites" and there may be "hundreds of thousands - possibly millions -" of members in the Zionist movement, and 99% of the truth seekers are "somehow connected to the criminal network" and are "useless".
Why should anyone fall for the deceptions employed by a bunch of charlatans whose 'research' consists of malicious gossip, baseless slander, unsupported assertions, and the writings of a failed journalist with something of a Walter Mitty personality? Listen to 19:30 minutes into this audio:
http://planetquo.net/MP3/Radio_Interviews/Piper_Hit_Piece_On_Bollyn.mp3
...where Piper recalls how, years ago when American Free Press trusted Chris Bollyn, Bollyn submitted a story to AFP that was merely a rewrite of a satirical article that had been published in The Onion. Bollyn had submitted it as a legitimate new story. After Chris Petherick did some research, he discovered it was a satire. So this was one case where an article of Bollyn's really was censored.
Piper suspects that Bollyn was part of a covert operation to get him out of AFP.
It's not a false dilemma. I would estimate some 5 - 10% of those he accuses are actually agents. But for some of these, like Alex Jones or Jeff Rense, the probability of them being an agent is about 50%; for others it is more in the order of 1 in a million. A genuine truth-seeker would not try to sully the reputations of those who are almost certainly innocent with malicious gossip and evidence-free slander.
If Smith's outfit were genuine, they would realise that they would do a far better job if they stopped their constant dissing of valuable contributors in the movement, and concentrated on putting out anti-Zionist information. A mere 2 minutes 20 seconds into his December 16 show, Smith is already slamming Mike Piper and David Duke as "a couple of clowns", and at 18:00 minutes Smith suggests David Irving is a "homosexual paedophile" who has been compromised by the Zionists (a typical Smith ploy). It is likely that people avoid Smith and Hufschmid precisely because they can see through the deception and recognise that the gossiping Smith and hate-mongering Hufschmid are agent provocateurs.
I would say that he is one of the greatest Judas goats of our time.
It is the Smithsonians who have suggested that others hold back, and I gave an explanation which doesn't involve positing the existence of thousands of ADL handlers and thousands of individual cases of defecting to the ADL, maintaining an anti-Zionist persona, bribing or blackmailing, and preventing every single one of these agents from talking.
Maybe this would be a way forward, but who would organize it? And the crooks would still control the military and the police. If enough people came out and stormed government buildings at the same time, the crooks would hang, yielding a rather more final solution.
The fact that Smith and his gang are divisive liars who do more harm than good should make us conclude that the Smithsonians have made an error in failing to recognize their leaders for the covert agents they are. This, and the fact that they don't acknowledge that characters such as Rudolf, Rivero, Piper, Rodriguez, Mariani, Glenn, Duke, Zundel, Maynard, Hoffman, Steven Jones, etc are almost certainly not "Crypto-Zionists", really puts their intentions into question.
Daryl Smith responds to our little thread:
www.iamthewitness.com/wakeupfromyourslumber.html
If someone puts Ernst Zundel, Ellen Mariani, William Rodriguez, Germar Rudolf, Mike Rivero, etc, on a list of "Zionist agents", accuses David Irving of being a "paedophile" and spends most of their time trying to smear others, then they have to be either idiots or agents. There is no other solution. And it does not look like Smith and his associates are idiots. They should not be surprised when people point this out.
If people ignore your mantra and tide of transparently bogus claims against Smith, Bollyn, and Hufschmidt, they will discover for themselves that the "3 Key Guys" have reasons for what they charge.
People should listen and decide for themselves without having to wade through your sea of bullshit everytime the topic comes up. But that seems to be your function, so, please, continue to perform. Your claims and proofs are now on record and should embarrass you, but don't.
For interviews on the pedophilia issue, try:
John DeCamp explains how he discovered that the bizarre stories were true;
www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_DeCamp.html
Kay Griggs has first-hand information about how the Zionists look for emotionally insecure people and promote them into political and military leadership. This gives the Zionists a tremendouis influence over our government. www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmithInterviewsKayGriggs.html
For some info on the crypto-jew issue try: www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmithInterviewsRafiq2.html
There's an enormous amount of high quality interviews www.iamthewitness.com/ByPerson.htmlwhich the should be heard by the independent-minded at WUFYS. Peace
I get it now. According to Smith's theory, Ernst Zundel, Germar Rudolf, Ellen Mariani, William Rodriguez, Mike Rivero, Mark Glenn, Jim Hoffman, Curt Maynard, Steven Jones, Kevin Ryan and the rest are pedophiles and the Zionists have managed to blackmail them all. It doesn't explain how the behavior of these people would change if they weren't "Zionist-controlled". Would Rudolf have managed an even more authoritative debunking of the "Holocaust" myth than he did here, or would Jim Hoffman have carried out even better research into 9/11 than he did here?
Smith and Hufschmid should have made a career as piano removal men. At least, that would have given us a few more laughs.
I think Smith et al have to tone down their accusations, it is counter-productive. Using a shotgun blast where a fine tuned single bullet rifle is needed to do the job. They seem to blast their shotgun in all directions.
"What my net does not catch is not fish".
People should listen to Smith for themselves and NOT rely on good old Poseidon. Our chief fishmonger clearly has a stake in keeping people away from www.iamthewitness.com. If you've followed the thread,you know he's repeatedly been asked for evidence and has produced nothing of substance. He relies entirely on false statements, mischaracterizations, and wild assed assertions. I hope to do a quick compilation of his rum numbers when I've got a moment.
Posiedon might have said the interviews with DeCamp and Griggs were important. Instead he's started in with the barking and sheepherding again.
Important question: Does anyone know off hand how many people Hoover had dirt on? What do you think Posiedon? Was it maybe just "three key guys"?
Important point: One of Poseidon's central arguments against Smtih, Bollyn, and Hufschmid is that the Zionists are scrambling to play catch up on the truth movement. Poseidon believes that they were idle after they'd pulled off 911. Later, in desperation they turned up "three key guys" to take down the truth movement. WHAT A BRILLIANT AND PLAUSIBLE THEORY! It really is too bad that old Po doesn't go on the road with it as he deserves wider recognition and great fame for this honest and deeply perceptive contribution.
Posiedon thinks we just got to get rid of the "three bad apples" then we'll have a barrelful of truth. What's after that...a happy reconciliation with the "honest elements" of the mainstream media?
Leftie, listen to Smith for yourself if you haven't. What does your gut tell you when you hear him? Compare him to critics like the Thorn/Giulianis. Is it more likely that the Learned Elders went to sleep and let a truth movement develop unmolested or that they've been pulling strings at places like AFP for some time. Are CNN and Clear Channel featuring truth tellers or shills?
Smith gives specific reasons for questioning people which you can evaluate for yourself. I still use Rivero daily, but I do not understand his insistence that a plane hit the Pentagon. Smith says he's bogus. I don't know, but Smith's other info is very powerful and therefore draws screaming shills like MASHER and Poseidon who have made a career of attacking him.
I do hope others here have followed Posiedon's "logic" and "evidence." It's a perpetual tail chase, and I know some have dropped out while others stayed out from the beginning. I have found it most educational and marveled at the absurdities, the astonishing LACK of proof, and the "mist-ifying" theories
he generates.
Those able to ignore his carnival barking, might enjoy this sample of what's on offer at Smith's site:
The roots of the Ashkenazi Zionism; the first installment of a two part series. www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmithInterviewsRafiq.html. Peace. Fester.
Sorry, forgot the title for the previous post.
The Smithsonians cannot refute the evidence that their masters' peculiarly shrill attacks on dozens of genuine, hard-working anti-Zionists tell us who Smith and his gang are really working for, so they try to steer the discussion over to the matter of how many Crypto-Zionists agents there are. Consider how much ammunition Eric Hufschmid has handed to our enemies:
Hufschmid Sinks Deeper
(by Andrew E Mathis)
Over at Holocaust Controversies, I've been tracking the idiocies of 9/11 conspiracy theorist and Holocaust denier Eric Hufschmid. [...]
[2:12] The payoff comes: Rivero and Rimland are possible Zionist agents!
Here are 345 active links for the Zundelsite by Ingrid Rimland attacking Zionism:
http://snipurl.com/15bje
These articles go back over a decade. Are we to believe that [sic] Hufschmid that Rimland has spent over a decade attacking Zionism just to throw people off?
[2:25] And Zundel? Also a possible Zionist agent. The man who co-wrote The Hitler We Loved and Why with Eric Thomson, the latter of whom coined the term "Zionist Occupation Government" (ZOG). That's right, ladies and gentlemen: These people have [sic] working for years just to undermine Eric Hufschmid and the rest of us.
[2:30] Now we get "disturbing facts" about Mike Rivero:
He believes Arabs carried out the 9/11 attacks
He is a "Zionist denier," which means that he is anyone who disagrees with Hufschmid and his useful idiot, Daryl Bradford Smith
Rivero used to work for NASA, and he believes that men walked on the moon (Hufschmid does not)
[3:15] It isn't the U.S. government that has been lying to us about the world wars; it's the Zionist Jews! Oh, and they lied about everything else that has ever been lied about!
[3:35] Rivero got a radio show with the Genesis Communications Network, and this network is Zionist-controlled.
I rather think Hufschmid (and Smith) are angry that Smith got fired from his show on Genesis.
[3:40] Hufschmid then says there is only one radio show where "you can actually get the truth" -- the French Connection!
The problem is this: The French Connection isn't a radio show! It is pre-recorded and then presented as audio files.
The rest of this short film consists of excerpts from an interview Smith recently did with Eustace Mullins, one of the biggest Jew-haters of the twentieth century.
[4:35] One of the proofs that Hufschmid offers that Willis Carto's lawyer, Mark Lane (who is Jewish), is "Zionist-controlled" is a photo of him with Jane Fonda. Sorry, but I don't get it.
[5:50] We finish up with the notion that Willis Carto is a Zionist. How very.
William of Ockam presented originally what is commonly called "Occam's Razor," i.e., that the simplest explanation for a group of observations that does not add more information is most likely to be the right one. Ask yourself: How badly has Hufschmid violated this principle in this piece?
And no, Eric: William of Ockam wasn't Jewish.
http://untrue_madhouse.blogspot.com/2006_12_17_archive.html
Andrew Mathis is a Holocaust promoter who even asserts that the "lampshade" tales are true, so I never thought I would find myself agreeing with much of what he has to say. But he is right on the mark about Eric and Daryl.
I have never said that the Zionists have only 3 agents. They must have thousands of Jewish volunteers working the internet, and hundreds of paid disinfo agents like Tom Flocco. The "key guys" - Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn - were charged with a more specialised task. They were to create a schism in the movement and control the flow of information, by presenting themselves as the one true truth-telling source and attacking all their rivals as Crypto-Zionist agents. Given that Smith is the sort of character that you either love or hate, his followers would diverge and then this faction would actively undermine the truth movement as do the other paid or volunteer agents.
It should be obvious that people like Ingrid Rimland, Ernst Zundel, Mike Piper, Mike Rivero, David Duke, etc, who have been opposing Zionism for years, are not "Crypto-Zionists". Smith's method is to hurl unsupported accusations, causing some to question the motives of genuine anti-Zionists. Mike Rivero says that he thinks a 757 hit the Pentagon. Smith's theory is that Rivero says so because he is a pedophile, and an ADL handler has succeeded in blackmailing him, and has forced him to say so. Isn't it more likely that he says so because he really does think a 757 hit the Pentagon? That's what I meant by "economy" - economy of postulates, as Mathis correctly points out about Occam's Razor.
Hufschmid says that "99% of truth-seekers" are somehow "part of the criminal network", which would mean that you could take any individual at random and there would be a 0.99 probability of them being an "agent". I would say that most are not agents, and making accusations sans evidence is counterproductive. Unfortunately for Smith and his team, their activities demonstrate that they are covert intelligence agents posing as "anti-Zionists" but working to undermine the anti-Zionist movement.
When my enemy's 'enemy' is really my enemy posing as my enemy's 'enemy', it makes no sense to support them.
If people really want to judge for themselves and can spare the time, they should listen to both Smith and other sources like the Piper Report. Then evaluate which provides genuine unbiased anti-Zionist information, and which has been tailored to suit an agenda: the Zionist agenda of divide and conquer involving sowing mistrust and dissent within the movement. For those whose time is limited, I would suggest they go straight to the other sources and do not bother with Smith.
Having followed this entire thread regarding Christopher B., Daryl S., & Eric H., I decided to register so as to comment.
Poseidon, you obviously have an axe to grind against these guys. It would seem that had you offered any proof you would have been able to save a few thousand typed words. What you did offer with these thousands of words was a clear picture of yourself: A person needing to use specious arguments, ad hominem attacks, circular logic and bold print to shout out your position. In addition, your tireless rampage is a method I've seen used at other totally unrelated websites, effectively used to wear out opposition and, coincidentally, a method straight out of the Shyster playbook.
I visit many 9/11 related sites and am confident that I can filter the messages and their intent should they be tainted with agenda. You, Sir, have an agenda and I would further suggest it is that of a Shill.
Now, be a nice Mensch and try not to muddy the waters of this "Vitally Important" message that we are all trying to expose.
Posieden Wrote
"...DBS et al ..They were to create a schism in the movement and control the flow of information, by presenting themselves as the one true truth-telling source and attacking all their rivals as Crypto-Zionist agents"
The schism if created does not matter and is not damaging, if the crimes of the Zionists are being exposed DBS et al are doing that.
If people argue between themselves, create factions and fight with each other....that removes the focus from the Zionists....but I cannot believe that Zionist agents would expose Zionists crimes day and night whilst also creating schisms within the movement. This would be too dangerous for Zionists and could backfire. If DBS et al are self promoting and they become popular and their website becomes too popular (If they are Zionist agents as you allege)....many more people would know Zionists and their crimes....this would create too many problems for Zionists....THIS IS WHY IT IS UNLIKELY THAT THEY ARE ZIONIST AGENTS.
Scisms and factions amongst people are not bad, it helps to find the truth and to reject the false....when the process becomes refined a unified group emerges based on Truth which will destroy the false. Getting bogged down with in-fghting is what the enemy would want. Zionists exploit divisions and ferment in-fighting, but those who are focused cannot be swayed by the nonsense, they have their eye on exposing the criminals, the criminals are the Zionists and those who help them to cover up their crimes are their agents. Those who expose Zionists and their agents are on the Truth.
I cannot prove that honest abe - Abraham? - is one of Smith's shills. But if he is not, only someone with poor comprehension skills could have followed the thread and failed to recognise the absurdity of a position which simultaneously holds that AFP was Zionist-controlled AND allowed Chris Bollyn to establish himself as the finest Zionist exposer bar none.
Smith's team cannot offer any evidence or logical argument in defense of their position, and so they must rely on assertions that the evidence against Smith is "specious", in the knowledge that some readers will not have time to review the thread in order to check out that claim.
The Smithsonians have painted themselves into a corner. As soon as American Free Press (and many others) fingered Christopher Bollyn as a covert intel operative posing as a "journalist", the Judas goats were left with no option but to assert that AFP was "under Zionist control". To make this theory work, they must propose that Chris Petherick, Willis Carto, Mike Piper, Vince Ryan, James Tucker - and possibly Mark Lane, see later - conveniently happened to be either homosexuals, pedophiles or suffering from "emotional problems", so that ADL handlers could successfully blackmail them. Hence, this could explain why Bollyn was fired, and Piper supposedly "lied" about him when he said Bollyn was receiving money from overseas, being visited by folk with untraceable license plates, enjoying a tax-free status, and had tried to submit a slightly rewritten satirical story from The Onion to AFP as "his own work".
Problem is, once you propose that AFP was Zionist-controlled, the Judas goats' claim about Bollyn being the all-time finest exposer of Zionism is blown clean out of the water. One solution for the Smithsonians would be to propose that AFP was under anti-Zionist control until the summer of 2006, and then the Zionists took over, somehow managing to start blackmailing Piper, Petherick, Carto, Ryan, Tucker, etc, all at the same time. Szymanski could have been sacked just before the Zionists took over, then Bollyn just after the change of ownership.
That doesn't explain why Szymanski wasn't given his job back as soon as the Zionists took over. Most importantly, it does not explain why the Zionists waited for a full five years after carrying out the crime of the century, allowing Bollyn to "expose" Israel's involvement in 9/11, and then playing catch-up in the summer of 2006 long after the horse had already bolted.
Then we have the Judas goats' claim that Eustace Mullins wasn't manipulated and entrapped by Smith on December 16 when he said that Mark Lane was running The Spotlight and Willis Carto was just a "frontman". For this claim to work, they must propose that Mullins was got at between December 16 and January 8, and compelled to present an alternative version on Piper's January 8 show, in which Mullins did in fact agree with Piper that Smith had perfected FBI-style entrapment techniques as one of his operations.
Then we have the fact that Mark Lane was certainly not a Zionist in 1985 when he successfully reversed a judgement that had gone against Liberty Lobby. So the Smithsonians must propose that Lane was anti-Zionist in 1985, then he became a Zionist (in order for Mullins' claim on Smith's December 16 show to be correct), then he defected to anti-Zionism so that Bollyn could spend 5 years exposing Zionism, and then Lane was forced to switch sides a third time after being blackmailed again along with Piper, Carto, Petherick, Ryan, Tucker, Mike Blair, etc, in the summer of 2006. Their 'evidence' of Lane being a Zionist consists of him being photographed with Jane Fonda. Don't you just love it when a Zionist's conspiracy theory needs so many ad hoc postulates to patch it up that if William of Ockham had been Jewish, he would have kept his mouth shut?
And all that's not even taking account of Eric
Hufschmid's theory that 99% of truth-seekers are somehow "part of the criminal network", including Ellen Mariani, William Rodriguez, Mark Glenn, Professor Steven E Jones, Jim Hoffman, Mike Rivero, David Duke, Ingrid Rimland, Ernst Zundel, Germar Rudolf, Curt Maynard, Mike Piper, Kevin Ryan, David Irving, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad et al. Why don't Smith and Bollyn condemn Hufschmid's "paranoia" and crackpot Apollo theories?
Leftfield's theory depends on how much DBS and his associates have really done to expose Zionist crimes, and how much of it is disinformation and merely a rehashing of others' work.
Consider how much Zionist exposing is achieved by Mike Rivero's WRH, or Jim Hoffman's 9/11 site, or Mike Piper's books such as The Judas Goats, The New Jerusalem, The High Priests of War, and Final Judgement. Consider how many people they have labelled as "Crypto-Zionist agents". Then carry out the same exercise for DBS/EH/CB with their "99% of truth-seekers are criminal agents" theory. DBS is very hot on Ben Freedman, but Piper says he was not always trustworthy and played both sides of the field.
Rivero, Hoffman and Piper are all Crypto-Zionists according to Smith's team. I would say that Smith / Hufschmid / Bollyn are more likely shills because they slam 99% of truth-seekers as criminal agents.
Abe & Leftie, thanks for weighing in. It is clear that the fishwife is here to smear Smith, Bollyn, & Hufschmidt. He's a real johnny-on-the-spot and ready to wear people out at any hour. A real pro and I am again glad to have gotten his barking and mud flinging on the record.
He's sounding a tad hysterical. This could go higher and deeper still.
Po, did it ever occur to you that AFP ditched Bollyn because he was becoming too well known? The obvious reason is that they no longer wanted to give him their platform (and Bollyn addresses what a small and underdeveloped platform it was). First, you drive him out/fire him. Next, you lie about the reasons and smear him. Then you unleash the barking fishwife types to ridicule/praise his work but mostly to smear him. Just gotta keep the yammering up long enough until reasonable people drop the topic and flee.
You're too bright not to have thought of this; it's just that your opinion of us is low enough that you believe we'll swallow your garbage. And that's a revealing characteristic.
On a practical note, Jim Condit has a precinct level strategy for reclaiming control of local government - the first step in reclaiming control at higher levels.
www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_Jim-Condit-24Aug2006.html
I cannot trust anyone who attack Rivero, Glenn and Piper, because these men have done so much to awaken people about Zionism - so I think Poseidon and Masher must have a valid argument, and they cannot possibly be Zionist shills.
Let's move on to better things and let this argument fester for awhile.
Wraither & Justice, I was unaware that some here considered Poseidon and MASHER to be obvious shills. Quasimodo hinted a "ponerology" of some sort, but that was a little too deep for Uncle Fester.
I never cared much for MASHER's contributions as they reeked with innuendo and were noticeably lacking in beef. Poseidon was a different story. I very much liked his 911 postings and was distributing one as a handout.
IF one of the WUFYS heavyweights had stepped in early and said that Po-MASHER were know provacateurs, I might have desisted and taken care of other business. Still, I think the stomach pumpings produced some gorgeous and memorable items.
At this point, I believe that the basket of RED HERRINGS is now bare. I will patronize the Fishwife & Son no more.
The "contradiction" you speak of is non-existent. TFC say AFP never published much good material other than Bollyn's work. Even AFP acknowledged that Bollyn was their "star reporter". What does AFP expose now without Bollyn? There's little of value, from what I've seen. Immigration issues, civil rights, Iraq... but little 9/11 and Zionist criminal network. Also, according to AFP, Bollyn wasn't fired because his "stories were unreliable" as you say, but because he failed to "defend the integrity of AFP" from Hufschmid's accusations on Piper's show.
You say it is absurd that AFP would allow Bollyn to expose so much. I say it is much more absurd that Zionist agents would expose the crime of the century, and all other crimes comitted by the same group of crooks they are working for, ten times more thoroughly, and in much less time, than AFP.
Smith did "attack" Richard Andrew Grove and Meria Heller back when Grove "blew the whistle". So those you mention are the only ones you think are agents? Do you realize that you're only identifying the ones whose disinfo is obvious? Why would they not install more sophisticated disinfo agents, like, say, the textbook Zionist denier, Alex Jones? You have all those obvious fakes that you listed (many of whom originally seemed honest), yet the only sophisticated fakes are Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn? That makes no sense. There are different types of agents; not all are as obvious as Tom Flocco or Morgan Reynolds.
If you want to believe the TFC trio are Zionist agents, that's fine, but when you say they are the only ones running a sophisticated operation when there are Zionist deniers around every corner, you don't sound very convincing. And you didn't respond to the question of what would be the point of creating in-fighting when the movement blames Bush & Cheney. Impeaching those puppets would do nothing.
Those terms ("conspiracy theorist" and "anti-Semite") can be used to smear anyone regardless of whether or not they expose Zionism or 9/11. See Jimmy Carter, for example. If a talking head of the alternative media fears being called an "anti-Semite" or a "conspiracy theorist", then what the hell is he doing in the alternative media to begin with?
Where did they say that Mullins, Rodriguez, Ahmadinejad, Mariani, Jones, and Ryan are agents? They didn't. Personally, of those you listed, I believe the following are disinfo agents: Mike Berger (and everyone else at 911truth.org), Gerard Holmgren (and anyone else promoting holograms), Wayne Madsen, Kurt Nimmo, Webster Tarpley, Alex Jones, Jeff Rense, Jim Hoffman, Dylan Avery. On my list of suspects would be: Mark Glenn, David Irving, David Duke, Mike Piper, Chris Petherick, John Stadtmiller, Frank Whalen, Sam Danner. I believe the others you listed are honest.
The are many ways to compromise people. All those folks have families. Would it really be that difficult to make them not talk about Israeli involvement in 9/11, for example? Do you really think the Zionists are going to sit back while Professor Jones exposes their Achilles' heel? The jailed "Holocaust deniers", William Rodriguez, Prof. Jones and others (those who have priviledged information or a powerful message that no one else has) are highly dangerous to the Zionists, so it makes sense that they would try to compromise them. However, I also have to say that it would make sense for them to try to compromise Hufschmid, Smith, and especially Bollyn.
Have you read Alexander Baron's accusations against David Irving? If those accusations are true, it means Irving is a Zionist puppet, as I suspect he is. He was probably given the choice to go to jail as a pedophile or as a "Holocaust denier". How do you explain him saying "millions of Jews died, there's no question about it"?
You evaded the question again. Piper doesn't expose Zionism as thoroughly as TFC and their guests; ergo, he holds back. So why does he hold back? According to you, because he's afraid of lawsuits. But why is he afraid when the guests on TFC are not afraid?
I acknowledge that most of those are almost certainly not "Crypto-Zionists", and I acknowledge that many of those they have accused are most likely not agents. Now why don't you acknowledge their outstanding work in exposing Zionism?
Since when does Jim Hoffman expose Zionism? He has done a great job on the how's of 9/11, but he will never state the who's or the why's. He even condemns "anti-Semites" and "Holocaust deniers". He says AFP, and Bollyn by extension, has "neo-Nazi ties", and are therefore untrustworthy.
Benjamin Freedman is still a great way of introducing people to Zionist involvement in the world wars, regardless of what his intentions were. I see little reason to doubt him anyway. All we have is Eustace Mullins' (who knew him personally) doubts about him, and Rick Cooper's accusations in the 'Son of Deguello' document. Hufschmid did, unsurprisingly, did suggest Freedman had no real interest in exposing Zionism.
There's really nothing wrong about believing that Flight 77 hit the Pentagon. Things are rarely as they seem, and the Pentagon crash is a very confusing issue. The root of the problem is that there's a void of evidence; and absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. For example, you would expect to find the 64 bodies from Flight 77 in the wreckage, but you don't see any of the 125 Pentagon victims either. So I don't think the people who believe Flight 77 hit the Pentagon are lying regarding that issue. (Why would they lie about that anyway? What would be the point?) I don't like Rivero's way of pretending there are no questions as to what hit the Pentagon, though.
UAV says:
You can resolve the contradiction, but it means throwing out one of the claims. Up until now, the Smithsonians had not admitted which of their premises was a lie. Now they choose to keep "Bollyn was a star reporter and Zionist exposer", which means they must jettison the claim about AFP being "under Zionist control". Or maybe the Zionists took over in 2006, which means that they carried out a multi-trillion-dollar crime of the century, but waited five years to play catch up after the horse had bolted.
False. Chris Petherick's email to Chris Bollyn ended thus:
When we get a story from one of our trusted reporters, we do not need to check every quote or fact. Our reporters would not dream of submitting a false story. The same cannot be said for you, however. By accusing AFP of being under the control of some other agency, you lie. There is an ancient Roman legal maxim: Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus, meaning that if a witness lies about one thing, his testimony may be disregarded for all he says. Thus, we can no longer print anything you submit without checking it, and this we will not do. For the reasons above, please do not bother to submit anything else to this newspaper. In addition, we will no longer be able to pay your salary. This is effective immediately.
And refer to the audio of the "Piper hit piece on Bollyn", which came from his March 8, 2007 Piper Report. At 19:30 minutes, Piper recalls how, years ago, Bollyn submitted a rewrite of a satirical article in The Onion to AFP as a legitimate new story. Chris Petherick noticed it in time to stop it going into print.
This was another reason given in Petherick's email. Since 2000 when he first joined Liberty Lobby, Bollyn was paid about $266,000 plus nearly $60,000 in expenses, according to Piper.
But what if the "exposing" is public domain information, mixed with disinformation, presented and targeted at "conspiracy buffs" such that they will lap it up?
D'you know which of Smith's shows that was on?
Or, like Daryl Bradford Smith, Eric Hufschmid, and Chris Bollyn.
You overestimate the Zionists. They're only human, albeit without even a glimmer of a conscience. They couldn't even stop Flight 93 from being shot down. They couldn't stop the molten iron from pouring out of WTC2. They couldn't get enough patsies to kill to match the "number of hijackers", and had to resort to just having stolen passports for half of them. It took them about 3 years before they could get the BTS database to show the AA flights as "scheduled". They couldn't get Arabic names on the autopsy or the flight manifest. They couldn't fake decent forgeries for the "Osama confession", the airports and the Pentagon attack. They couldn't cover up reports of molten steel. They couldn't stop Bush saying he saw the "first plane" or about the "explosives" in the Towers, or Rumsfeld talking about "the missile" hitting the Pentagon, or Silverstein talking about "pull(ing) it".
It would be a good start. One of Smith's deceptions involves suggesting that Dubya is a complete moron. He may not be the mastermind, but he is more cunning than Smith makes out.
See my comment above, "Smith's duplicity", where I provided links for almost all the names. Smith names the Iranians in his December 16 broadcast (13:00 minutes): "Why would the Iranians select David Duke as a participant in such a conference, unless they themselves are part of a lie?" As for Mullins, after he exposed Smith's manipulations on December 16, Smith has to say that Mullins has been got at and is working for the other side (AFP).
Have you seen Robert Stockmann's theory here:
http://crashrecovery.org/freedman/#note
What happened? Daryl Bradford Smith was doing some very good work with the French Connection at GCNLive, until he came up with some audio material which was red-flagged by the ADL. Daryl Bradford Smith suddenly had access to a genuine mp3 audio file by Benjamin Freedman, which before had been impossible to find on the Internet. (I have searched for this audio file to, but wasn't able to locate that on the internet for a long time) So suddenly, overnight, Daryl Bradford Smith gets promoted to THE guy who can give people access to the REAL deal and knowledge of Zionist history.
Another theory is that Smith is a pedophile and was given the ultimatum: Work for us and you'll be protected. Otherwise, you'll go to jail as a pedophile.
I suggest he was threatened that if he didn't cooperate he could get 10 years for "Holocaust denial". If he did as they said, it would be one or two years at most.
I don't accept that TFC expose any more than Piper. Piper recently announced he had an article debunking the myths that Hitler was "part-Jewish" and secretly "working for the Zionists". Those myths are the sort of deliberate disinfo that TFC promotes. But the problem with TFC is that it's not primarily a source of information. It's tarnished and loaded with gossip, hearsay, rumors and innuendoes.
Do you have any examples?
Good. Wouldn't TFC gain credibility if they were to publish a statement apologising to Rivero, Mariani, Rodriguez, Zundel, Rimland, Glenn, etc, for any false accusations, but they were just trying to point out that there is a very small likelihood that just about anyone could be an agent?
They probably have exposed some crimes, but see above re hearsay. I don't believe their information is reliable, it comes with too many strings attached, and its value has been hyped up. Most sources are better and more reliable.
The 9/11 material is useful to Zionist exposers. Any condemnation of "anti-Semites" could just mean that he hasn't looked into that part of the mass media brainwashing.
TFC having trouble getting guests is not because of a shortage of funds, but because guests eventually cotton on to Smith's manipulations (e.g. Mullins), and TFC is running out of people.
Fester suggests that AFP got rid of Bollyn because he was too well-known. But Bollyn was a relative unknown compared to Piper, a well-known author. Only 9/11 "conspiracy buffs" would have been aware of Bollyn. I would have thought having a famous person in the team would be an asset, not a liability.
We should let Fester have the last word:
Fester's inconsistency principle:
"Why don’t you come out and tell us that Eustace Mullins is full of shit.
Poseidon's claim that Mullins is a dupe is fuckin GARBAGE.
I don't have time to monitor multiple net radio shows and had no idea that Mullins was a bare assed liar.
However, I won't accept any of his testimony as evidence against DBS. His "Smith tried to get me to move to France" statement and the rest can go in the shitter with him.
Mullin's has ZERO credibility."
Festerian 'fact-based' deductions:
"This other stuff is really just CAT PISS...
You seem to fixate on a whole lot of chickenshit and just keep chucking it hoping it'll stick or wear people out.
Just a WHOLE lot of hot air and bullshit which always indicates a dung heap.
That one was HORSESHIT as will be confirmed by an indpendent listen to the file.
Not the load of pissant bleatings that have so far surfaced.
Whence that fetid fecal fragrance of Ziopunditry as he sums up and ladles for the helpless goyim?"
Po, why respond to UAZ's able and accurate criticisms of your "logic" by titling it Festerian. Once again you are found completely lacking so you tack on a few of my ill-tempered remarks and try to smear all criticimss of your faulty reasoning and deceptions as "foul-mouthed" and insubstantial.
You tried this a while back, didn't you. That's ok, I understand, it's real hard being under the microscope and having sharp-witted people focus on your dubious claims.
I hope you close up shop. Others are chiming in and I think your reputation is going to suffer. Suit yourself.
PS - if you need more "facts," let me know and I'll cuss for ya. You can go right ahead and use them against. I won't complain; I'm here to help.
When will this lousy movie ever end ?
OH, NO ! NOT ANOTHER SEQUEL !
I said - "Now you must be that mermaid...
who took Ol' Neptune for a ride !"
"and she smiled at me so sadly... SADLY
you know my joyprong straightway died !"
...And so it was...that later and later and later...
As Uncle Fester trolled his tale,
...that her face, at first just ghostly -
turned a whiter...shade of pale.
Quas, I guess you gotta be cruel to be kind in this business. You let us greenhorn wade into the Scylla and Charybdis straits of da Po-MASHER with only the most cryptic of warnings.
I thought old Poseidon was way up in da Pantheon in these parts. Nobody let on that he was just one of them dime a dozen (millions X millions X millions, of course) pound o' flesh type chihuahuas out there on the net trying to gum the public to death day after bloddy day. WTF?
I know Q and a few others have vouched for his "quality," but I find it hard to believe that who has watched this performance fails to notice the combination of tenacity and avoidance of the facts. I had suspicions after the first response, but goodness, he's absolutely naked. His whole game is REPETITION & OBFUSCATION. Shit, that's the manure I was raised on. I know EXACTLY where that M.O emmanates from.
More my tale of a troll that a trolled tale but I ain't gonna quibble. Now about that CD....
Or why not the simplest explanation? That AFP employed Bollyn to boost their credibility as an honest anti-Zionist publication.
Petherick is referring to the Sam Danner hoax. Bollyn used the necessary journalistic caveats, as he explains in this interview. It wasn't Bollyn's fault that Danner's story was unreliable.
I don't know about the The Onion thing. We only have Piper's word on this. Bollyn should answer to that, but there's no reason to take Piper's word for granted.
http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmith_7June2006.html
You're evading the issue. Why would they not install more sophisticated disinfo agents, other than TFC? You only identify the obvious agents, and pretend there are no sophisticated disinfo operations other than TFC.
Better to overestimate them than to underestimate them like you are doing here. Yes, there are many things that turned out wrong in the 9/11 operation, most notably Flight 93. However, the number of things that went wrong is presumably low compared to the number of things that went right.
The thermite reaction seen in WTC2 was obviously completely out of their control. The reports of molten iron were pretty much inevitable.
Do you really think Rumsfeld and especially Silverstein would "slip" in such an explicit manner? Those quotes are well-planned, deliberate deceptions. Bush's "first plane" could be explained as him simply being an idiot, but not the other two.
I think some of the errors regarding the patsies is also deliberate deception. How could they have let half of the patsies alive after 9/11? It makes no sense.
He's not nearly as smart as that article you linked to tries to show. That article could be written by Karl Rove himself. That website also says Bush "fail(ed) to act on 9/11 warnings - and then l(ied) about it".
They didn't really accuse any of those of being agents, though they may have suggested the possibility. I agree with Smith's comments on the Iranians. Who in his right mind would invite David Duke to such a conference? It was obvious from the start that the world media would exploit his KKK past to smear the entire conference. Someone there wasn't thinking straight, or there's something more sinister going on beyond mere incompetence.
Where does that theory come from? Wasn't it ConspiracyCentral that created this rumor that Smith was a pedophile? Are you taking those idiots at ConCen seriously?
I don't know how the Freedman speech came into his hands, but he had good connections from early on, hence his numerous high-profile guests. IIRC, he said he got a lot of these contacts from his friend Michel Chussodovsky of GlobalResearch.ca.
That person you quoted, Robert M. Stockmann, promotes Phelps' Jesuits/Vatican nonsense and calls Flocco, Phelps, Szymanski, and the rest of Jesuit shills genuine truth seekers. That would mean that we should take anything this person says with a huge grain of salt.
The evidence regarding Maria Anna Schickelgruber and Solomon Mayer Rothschild in Vienna is weak, but it's all we have of Hitler's unknown paternal grandfather. It's not "deliberate disinfo". I would like to read this article from Piper that you cite. Is it only in the print edition of AFP?
Yes, I agree with that, though they have not accused Rodriguez and Mariani.
Which sources? You won't find such top-quality interviews anywhere else. Audio interviews are always more powerful than long written articles that the newcomer won't bother reading. You won't find Bollyn's superb investigative reporting anywhere else either.
Here's what you said on 2007-03-04:
Yet in this thread you continuosly slam TFC and Bollyn as if they have not produced anything of value. What made you change your mind between March 4 and this thread, from Bollyn's work being great to being worthless?
There's no way he doesn't know that Israel and Zionists are involved in 9/11. Jim Hoffman is an agent trying to get to a leadership position of the 9/11 research community. He's a new Jim Fetzer, and a more effective one. You wouldn't've said that Fetzer was a disinfo agent before he started supporting the obvious disinfo of Wood/Reynolds, would you? He was there to destroy the image of 9/11 researchers and discredit Professor Jones. Now Hoffman has taken Fetzer's place in a more sophisticated operation intended to deflect any and all blame away from Zionists and Israel.
Rather than "Smith's manipulations", I think it's Hufschmid's paranoia. They accuse too many people with minimal evidence and expect their guests to agree with them. As a result of this, almost all their guests have gotten annoyed.
We are starting to argue in circles now. To recapitulate, if we are to accept Poseidon's thesis that the TFC trio are "3 key Zionist agents", we have to believe an array of absurdities, some of which are:
1) that the Zionists would never have predicted that a 9/11 truth movement would arise in case something went seriously wrong with the operation, or as a consequence of general skepticism, or of their numerous mess ups (obvious WTC7 demolition captured on video in daylight, etc, etc);
2) that the Zionists are willing to completely expose themselves full force in an extremely complex and sophisticated operation, yet they only have a few other agents at their disposal whose disinfo operations are pathetic at best;
3) that this TFC disinfo operation's task is to divide and create fights within a fake movement that blames the wrong villains, using extremely advanced tactics like pointing out the very fact itself that the movement is fake and that most people in this fake movement are liars;
4) that this fake movement is a product of chance, that Zionists had nothing or little to do with its creation or shaping;
5) that the reason this fake movement exists is because most of its talking heads are afraid to expose the real criminals due to established laws and taboos, while the ones that do are systematically marginalized and ignored;
6) that the few talking heads who do expose Zionist involvement, but in a watered-down fashion, are also afraid, but less than the others; and that they are so naive that they don't wonder why the others don't expose Zionist involvement at all;
...
The thesis is as absurd as absurdity can get.
"The thesis is as absurd as absurdity can get."
I'm not sure about that UAZ - This thesis is as equally absurd.
By the way, has anyone seen Debus lately? He went AWOL from Opposing Digits four weeks ago and hasn't been seen since. I guess he must be pre-occupied elsewhere.
UAZ, thanks for the critique. It seems obvious to me that good ol' Poseidon was too bright for so many inconsistencies and dodgy conclusions.
His investment of major time in a smear campaign against Smith, Bollyn, and Hufschmid is pure shyter disinfo as he accuses his enemies of that which he is guilty of: "dividing the truth movement" and being disinfo.
Hey PlanetQuo, great to see you here on WUFYS!
Maybe this is what happened to 'debus':
"Operative #5497 (codename "debus"): Your cover has been blown. New userHandle: xxxxx."
(BTW, sorry for the double post - maybe qrswave can delete one of them?)
UAZ says:
This beggars belief. The Zionists would not deliberately choose to let the movement's "finest reporter bar none" continue to expose their crimes for a full five years, merely to create an illusion that AFP was not Zionist-controlled when it was. It is similar to my proposal that iamthewitness is really Zionist-controlled, but has been exposing some Zionist crimes to boost their credibility as an honest anti-Zionist outlet. However, I do not maintain that iamthewitness has exposed more than everyone else ... which is why my theory works and Smith's fails. Smith's task also involves attempts to divert attention to Israel, in order to protect Bush and Cheney (see below).
That's one story that he would have had in mind, but he probably had his doubts over the arrest story, the claim of a conspiracy involving Homeland Security, Piper, Makufka and the Hoffman Estates police, the seismic spikes, the misquoting of Peter Tully and Mark Loizeaux regarding molten steel, the 2000 "death threat" from Alex Kantoravich, plus the ensuing lack of trust from Bollyn's association with buffoons who maintained that AFP was "Zionist-controlled".
As debus correctly pointed out, the terrible trio's M.O. is to create mistrust of everyone else, then, when you have psychologically primed the reader, reduce that anxiety by bringing in the soothing reassurance that they can trust Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn. Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn will do your thinking for you!
I have always found it more rewarding to do my own thinking, rather than swallow someone else's pre-packaged belief system. But how can you have an argument with a cult follower? To them, logic is a stranger.
It's just rather telling that it was Bollyn and Hufschmid who were pushing this story, and Eric was even trying to suggest the voicemails had been faked and Sam had been got at, long after everyone else had twigged that it was a hoax.
Yes, it would be nice to have some corroboration, but I view Piper as a more reliable witness than Bollyn.
Thanks, I'll have a listen sometime. Grove's job was to create red herrings and divert attention from Israel; Heller provided Israel's shills with airtime.
It is absurd to suggest Ernst Zundel or Germar Rudolf are Zionist agents. Zundel was in jail for over 4 years before even getting a trial, and he was firebombed for his pains. Rudolf was on the run for years, fleeing from country to country. But iamthewitness don't limit themselves to just one or two suspects. Stupidity multiplied 144-fold is gross stupidity.
However, the Zionists' tactics include infiltrating internet blogs and forums, posing as "anti-Zionists" whilst promoting the iamthe witness site. Here at WUFYS, for example, click on "Fester" and then "track" to view his posts, and the record shows that he started shamelessly promoting iamthewitness on Feb 25, promoting Bollyn on Feb 26, and then attempting to sell iamthewitness again on Feb 27. Another of his incarnations, lotus, peaked at about mid-March and seems to have been quietly "retired". ProudJewishZionist presented as an overt pro-Zionist operative.
But don't you agree that infiltrating forums and posing as 'anti-Zionists' would be a likely M.O. of the Zionists?
Even if I have underestimated them, there is no advantage in labelling people as agents on the flimsiest of 'evidence', such as Mark Lane was once photographed with Jane Fonda, and William Rodriguez was once photographed receiving a "suspicious" handshake. Why become paranoid over people who are almost certainly not agents? Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn are far more likely agents than most of their 'suspects'.
I agree that rather too much has been read into those quotes. I have never concentrated on them too much, since they are not enough for a conviction. But on balance, the "pull it" quote wouldn't have been good for Silverstein.
And it's interesting that the Smithsonians are always promoting the view that Bush is simply an idiot who couldn't even "wipe his own fanny", as Smith puts it.
Some cannot accept the idea that Bollyn, Hufschmid and Smith are Zionist agents, because they have "done too much to expose Zionism". However, the concept of gatekeepers who shift attention from Israel over to the Bush administration is generally accepted by truth-seekers. An early example was Jared Israel's Emperor's Clothes site, which debunked the official 9/11 story and detailed incriminating evidence against Bush, Cheney and Myers. Gerard Holmgren produced an excellent article debunking the official story but suggested the Bush regime was to blame, and Alex Jones fights the Orwellian police state and exposes the crimes of the "globalists". All three tend to avoid mention of Israel, or say they do not think there is evidence against Israel. This has raised question marks over their sincerity, but does not prove that they are secretly working for Israel. A better explanation is that they are not secretly receiving payments, but are genuine anti-war, pro-liberty activists who share the view that their approach of not broaching the subject of Israel provides the best prospects for their career.
Zionists could include the Israeli state, the Mossad, the CIA, the Bush regime, the Rothschilds, organised World Jewry, all of whom are not necessarily one big happy family. For example, when Pan Am 103 exploded in 1988 in the skies over Lockerbie, the bombing is believed by some to have been the work of the Mossad, in order to eliminate CIA operatives who stumbled upon a Mossad drug running operation. If it is not too unreasonable to imagine that Israel might sponsor agents to shift the blame on to Bush, surely the CIA or Bush regime would correspondingly try to divert attention to Israel. Bollyn, Hufschmid and Smith expose some of Israel's crimes, in order to present themselves as "genuine anti-Zionists". At the same time, they suggest that Bush is merely a harmless moron, when both the Bush regime and Israel are complicit. The iamthewitness team's intelligence agency contacts would provide them with relatively harmless information to 'reveal'. A proportion of disinformation would be thrown in to tarnish the credibility of the sheep who fell for the Judas goats' deceptions and replicated the claims. In any case, many of Smith's disclosures relate to old material such as Jewish involvement in the Bolshevik Revolution, which does not threaten contemporary criminals.
Smith's 'talent' is his ability to project an air of apparent 'sincerity', and to manipulate his guests into indulging in some ad-lib malicious gossip about individuals whom Smith is trying to label as "Crypto-Zionists". The bad news is that some decent people have heard his shows and fallen for his spiel. The good news is that Smith is a spent force. Guests soon realise how they have been manipulated and entrapped - e.g. Eustace Mullins - and decide they will have nothing more to do with Smith. So when he runs out of people, the only remaining guests on his show will be Hufschmid, Bollyn, and other Zionist agents.
They couldn't get enough patsies, and had to rely on stolen passports for the remainder. That is the more economical explanation.
Why bother to even suggest it when the evidence is so flimsy that not even Smith's team dare "really accuse" them? Unless, of course, Smith's gang are agents.
The conference was supposed to be about establishing whether the "holocaust" happened, and they needed people who were knowledgeable about Zionist deceptions and crimes. Why should the participants worry too much about how the Zionist media would report the event? The Zionists would have tried to smear the event anyway, and Duke's participation helped to give it more publicity. It is generally accepted that Duke put up a good showing when being interviewed by Wolf Blitzer. There is no need to propose a conspiracy theory.
I don't know who started it. But Smith proposed that David Irving was a pedophile. Irving's actions can easily be explained as an elderly man threatened with ten years' jail unless he backed down, in which case he would serve one to two years maximum. I considered Smith a more likely pedophile than Irving, since it would at least explain Smith's cointelpro actions and the move to France.
There are some interesting features of the Freedman audio. The shorter 27:36 minutes Part I undergoes marked changes in quality, going from muffled just before 7:00 to showing an improved treble response at about 7:30, similar to a well-played cassette tape with the alignment of the tape with the head varying as the tape runs. The short version has been filtered, cutting out the mains hum and the audible stylus crackles present in the long version. Did Smith's team get a cassette version to digitise? Also, there is a whistling interference, similar to an adjacent AM radio station. The whistling is sometimes heard on Smith's broadcasts. At times, it is slightly different and sounds like he has birds in his farmhouse.
Yes, but Eric Hufschmid says the Apollo landings were "faked", and that Germar Rudolf and Ernst Zundel are Zionist agents. So it would be silly to take his word on anything.
AFP do not seem to have published it; Piper said on his April 17 show that he had just received the article a few days ago, and might read it out at a future date. It is the article by Martin Kerr entitled "The Myth of Hitler's 'Jewish Grandfather'"; originally published in spring 1982. This was in a National Socialist journal (scroll nearly down to bottom of this page where it is mentioned), so some would question their motives. However, I would certainly not trust claims about Hitler that originated from a Jewish source. Piper says it is a "scholarly" article, and that the ideas that Hitler was part Jewish, secretly worked for the Zionists, burnt down the Reichstag, and introduced gun control, are all myths. To some extent, our assessment of the "quality" of someone else's work will depend on whether we agree with their conclusions.
They name William Rodriguez here, implying that he is one of the Zionists' "useful idiots", an unwitting Crypto-Zionist agent. And here, Bollyn accuses Rodriguez of helping to cover up Israel's role. And Smith / Hufschmid's suggestion is that: "It is possible that James Randi or his associates contacted William Rodriguez and convinced Rodriguez to remain quiet about the Israeli connection to 9/11."
On this page, TFC suggest that Ellen Mariani is at best a "fool", at worst a "Zionist agent": "Is Ellen Mariani a Zionist agent? What about Sofia? Perhaps time will
tell."
I would suggest truth seekers go to as many sources as they can. Use Google. Anyone recommending a one stop source for information has to be seen as suspect, blatantly attempting to manipulate and control the flow of information.
Most of the interviews are tainted with Smith's attempts to induce guests into making negative comments about people whom they have limited knowledge of. I'd say the interviews are deliberately misleading and low-quality.
So Smith's operation is designed to target the newcomer? It wouldn't surprise me if his followers were mainly newcomers. It is unlikely that seasoned investigators would be taken in by his deceptions.
I'd had my suspicions over Bollyn and TFC since last summer. Although I had voiced these suspicions on here, my main concern was what was best for the movement. I did not consider it worthwhile to start arguments about who is an "agent", and had concluded it would be better to let people promote TFC rather than piping up and saying I don't trust them.
Then Suzette (the Whippette) asked about my hufschmid.htm file at the nolajbs forum on 30 March give or take a day, and Fester submitted this blog entry on April 6. In the interests of harmony, I still kept quiet until April 9, the day after iamthewitness linked to my site and said it was "Crypto-Zionist". If I was an agent provocateur, surely I would have been posting numerous blog entries about TFC and Bollyn, and trying to stir up as much trouble as possible. Fester did it!
Then I started reviewing Smith's shows and the claims of TFC, and I found it was even worse than I had imagined. Smith's manipulations on the guests such as Mullins, and his constant slander of numerous decent, plucky anti-Zionists were well apparent, and I found that TFC named even more people as "Zionist agents" or "useful fools" than I had been aware of.
I had another look at Andrew E Mathis' debunking of Daryl Smith and Ben Freedman, and concluded that I share his views about Smith and Hufschmid, even though I would strongly disagree with his version of WWII. It should be worth checking out some of his points to see how many are valid. Although Mathis is a "holocaust" promoter, he has said that he has been critical of Israel and organized Jewry (but I haven't seen that), because it doesn't represent him. That would depend on whether he works for them. If he is not being paid as a holohoaxer, it would appear to be some kind of brainwashing or mind control.
We shall have to see if any evidence comes out against Hoffman. There is enough valuable information in his work that it is not worthwhile at this stage to name him as an agent and declare all his work to be useless. But that is what you would expect TFC to say if they are agents trying to control the flow of information, as I believe. And is there any other source quite like TFC, that claims it is the one true source of truth and all others are suspect?
I'd say it's "seeing through Smith's deceptions and manipulations" rather than being "annoyed". But if Eric's paranoia is leading to these problems, why doesn't Smith fire him and get another webmaster? Maybe the audio sessions would then contain a better ratio of information to gossip.
This is a non sequitur. It would follow if I had proposed that the Zionists had no disinfo agents at all. But they have hundreds to thousands of paid or volunteer short-term agents, along with the small team of sophisticated agents.
This doesn't follow, as I have not argued this either. However, TFC's position is even worse than that: The Zionists had control of AFP, yet they were willing to let themselves be totally exposed by Chris Bollyn for 5 years in order to create an illusion that AFP was not Zionist-controlled when it was.
This does not represent my position. The unsophisticated disinfo agents create red herrings, with those sponsored by Israel shifting blame to Bush and Cheney, and those sponsored by the Bush regime diverting attention to Israel. TFC's sophisticated agents are happy to expose some of the Israel-sponsored agents in order to present themselves as 'genuine' anti-Zionist truth seekers. TFC aims to sow mistrust and anxiety amongst those in the truth movement who have identified the real villains, and then offer salvation by claiming to be the sole source of truth. TFC is deliberately targeted at those who know that Israel was involved, not those who only see Bush and Cheney. (In any case, the latter group are not fakes, see below). Once the targets are hooked, TFC Judas goats can control the flow of information to their followers. Then, arguments between Smithsonians and Smith skeptics take up time which could be better employed fighting the Zionists. But corruption exists both inside and outside the movement, so exposing fake anti-Zionists is equivalent to the actions of a police force, and fighting the Zionists is equivalent to the actions of an army. Both are necessary.
Zionists had already managed to establish the taboos such as anti-Semitism, so they had quite a bit to do with establishing people like Alex Jones or Gerard Holmgren. But those who expose Bush / Cheney crimes and those who expose Israel's crimes are both acting for good. Both the Bush regime and Israel are guilty. So someone who points out Bush's crimes is not necessarily a fake.
This is a more accurate description, but it is not absurd. And it's not a "fake" movement.
Maybe they have also arrived at my conclusion: The existing taboos and institutions keep the others in check, and no conspiracy is required. If William of Ockham had been a Zionist-sponsored agent provocateur, he would have kept his mouth shut!
That, indeed, would be an accurate assessment of the position of TFC, which holds that 99% of truth seekers are "part of the criminal network", and Ernst Zundel and Germar Rudolf are two of a very long list of Crypto-Zionist agents, none of whom have ever defected and blown the whistle. Somehow, the Zionists have succeeded in blackmailing or bribing every last one of these agents for years on end, when the attempt to blackmail Clinton over Monica Lewinsky didn't work. And somehow, these agents have done such a good job posing as "anti-Zionists" that no one has ever been able to tell the difference, except for the highly talented folk at TFC.
Curt Maynard is working on another article on DBS. Smith has almost exceeded his shelf-life, and as soon as the Zionists decide he has outlived his usefulness, they will discard him like a sack of garbage. Smith's best bet is to make a run for it before it's too late. He wouldn't be welcome in Israel, after calling for it to be carpet bombed until the crater was so deep it would take an explorer team weeks to get to the bottom. Maybe Brazil would do?
Although Fester comes up with a good turn of phrase now and again, his criticism and claims of "faulty" reasoning by opponents of his absurdities are equivalent to a fat guy calling a thin person "fat". For that reason, being attacked by Fester is similar to being savaged by a dead sheep.
Einstein's memorable quotes included, "If only I had known, I should have become a watchmaker." Fester will forever be associated with phrases about "dung heaps" and the like. There is an explanation: Smith lives on a farmhouse. Given the comical nature of Smith's assertions, if I may be so bold, I would like to suggest a name for the Smith residence: "The Funny Farm".
Posiedon, glad you appreciate a good turn of phrase, I'll see if I can keep you smiling.
Your usual mind-numbing basketful of red herrings, but I couldn't resist a quick response to your opening absurdities:
UAZ says: Or why not the simplest explanation? That AFP employed Bollyn to boost their credibility as an honest anti-Zionist publication.
Posieidon: This beggars belief. The Zionists would not deliberately choose to let the movement's "finest reporter bar none" continue to expose their crimes for a full five years, merely to create an illusion that AFP was not Zionist-controlled when it was. It is similar to my proposal that iamthewitness is really Zionist-controlled, but has been exposing some Zionist crimes to boost their credibility as an honest anti-Zionist outlet. However, I do not maintain that iamthewitness has exposed more than everyone else ... which is why my theory works and Smith's fails. Smith's task also involves attempts to divert attention to Israel, in order to protect Bush and Cheney (see below).
Fester: you can't have it both ways unless you think folks are not going to read your fine print. You have repeatedly tried the angle that Bollyn is suspect because he puts out stuff that is "old" news or "about to come out anyway." But you also feature the line that his info is "too good" and therefore he must be suspected as an operative. Make up your fuckin' mind, dude!
You put the movement's "finest reporter bar none" in quotes because you think it's bullshit, right? So why would a "zionist tool" like Smith and his "zionist operation" at TFC be using a 2 bit reporter like Bollyn? Or are you suggesting today that Bollyn is an excellent reporter since you say it "beggars belief" that he would be allowed to operate on AFP just to give AFP a better illusion of credibility?
There are a couple of other logical loops in that paragraph which I have neither the time nor patience to tease out.
Which is it, fishwife, Bollyn is legit or not? If he's not legit then his association with Smith in no way provides cover to the other 2 "key guys" since we got you on our side to light us a friggin' lamp. If he's legit, then why is he hanging with a couple of obvious pawns like Smith and Hufschmid.
The last line "Smith's task also involves attempts to divert attention to Israel, in order to protect Bush and Cheney" was HILARIOUS. If that's not an advertisement for www.iamthewitnees.com, I'm your Proud-Jewish-Lotus-Zionist-Fester B. Smith.
Posiedon: As debus correctly pointed out, the terrible trio's M.O. is to create mistrust of everyone else, then, when you have psychologically primed the reader, reduce that anxiety by bringing in the soothing reassurance that they can trust Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn. Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn will do your thinking for you!...But how can you have an argument with a cult follower? To them, logic is a stranger.
Fester: it seems pretty clear from others' comments that the WUFYS crowd can listen to Smith without succumbing to his MIND CONTROL techniques. Only you and da MASHER seem alarmed that people might stray over there without your net nanny services.
The only evidence of mind control attempts are your ceaseless REPETITON of falsehoods. Now, don't forget I cusses a couple times back there. You're all set and we all await your next masterpiece of independent thinking and LOGIC.
Fester says:
I hope they do read the fine print. But it is Smith's followers who try to have it both ways.
I haven't said that Bollyn's info is "too good". On this thread, I said: "But if Bollyn was an agent throughout that period, his connections would have a plentiful supply of information that could be 'discovered'. They would release enough to make him appear to be a genuine anti-Zionist who was well ahead of the pack, whilst trying to limit the damage."
On the other thread I said: "If you compare this with material given out by Alex Jones, American Free Press, etc, Bollyn has much more appeal because of how he focuses on the crux of the matter. But if he is an agent - perhaps CIA and exposing Israeli crimes - this is exactly how it would appear. They would have to sell him to truth-seekers by providing a significant advantage over his rivals, whereupon he might gain a cult following. Some of his information would be sourced by intel organizations, and a 'guardian angel' would protect him at the highest level.
The video doesn't prove anything either way. If he is an agent, the cost to Zionism from showing this information to a few listeners is negligible compared to the benefit from setting truth-seekers against each other."
But Bollyn's info is certainly spun and presented so as to give it a great appeal to those of us who are aware of Israel's crimes.
Yes, my position is that TFC's absurdities include the claims that: 1) Chris Bollyn, whilst he was a reporter at AFP, has done more to expose Zionism than everyone else put together. 2) AFP is a "Zionist-controlled" organization.
I reject both premises. But the Smithsonians have been trying to have it both ways, claiming both are true. That is the height of absurdity.
Bollyn is an intel operative who posed as a journalist. He did the best he could, but was caught out in a few mistakes, which is why AFP considered his work to be suspect. It is the Smithsonians who argue that Bollyn is an "excellent reporter", and I point out that their thesis about Bollyn exposing so much whilst AFP is Zionist-controlled is absolute nonsense.
He isn't legit. But some - as was I until last summer - have been tricked into thinking that he is, which provides cover to Smith and Hufschmid.
Exactly, which demonstrates that he is an agent and working with them.
Only TFC feel compelled to provide net nanny services to steer people away from Ernst Zundel, Ingrid Rimland, Germar Rudolf, Frederick Toben, William Rodriguez, Mike Piper, Steven E Jones, Mike Rivero, President Ahmadinejad, Mark Glenn, David Duke, Curt Maynard and everyone else. Anyone who claims to be the one true source has to be seen as highly suspect.
Wing TV's operation was similar. I don't know if they were agents, but what if Makufka and Bollyn were working on the same side, and their publicised quarrel was stage-managed as part of an operation intended to damage Piper and AFP?
Another point to consider is regarding Hufschmid's claim about Kathryn being a half-sister - and hence the Murdoch connection - and Bollyn's claim to have had an Israeli wife. What if these were red herrings designed to throw folk off the scent? Researchers would think that if Hufschmid and Bollyn were agents, they would be working for Israel. Since they appear to spend too much time attacking Israel, this would cause some to doubt the idea that they were agents. But if they are CIA gatekeepers, they could be diverting attention to Israel.
Another suggestion: Why don't TFC produce transcripts of their audio files, so information can be quickly obtained? That way, you have the best of both worlds - audio for the newcomers, and the text for those of us who want to quickly get at the meat. Maybe TFC are worried at what people would find.
Again, I agree that TFC have accused many innocent people, and it's doing no good. I agree that their actions in the last months are bizarre and counter-productive (and even self-destructing).
I'm not entirely convinced that AFP is Zionist-controlled. Initially, when the accusations started, I wasn't suspicious of AFP at all. It was their actions that were suspicious, and Piper's assurance that there's no way the only anti-Zionist newspaper in America, headquartered in the same city where a large amount of the criminals live, could not possibly have been infiltrated by Zionists, despite Piper himself describing how he spotted an ADL infiltrator (Roe Bullock?) working in the Spotlight newspaper.
That's nonsense and you know it. If you're new, sure. We all thought "Bush did it" when we first found out that 9/11 was a false flag operation. But for someone like Alex Jones who has been in the truth movement for over 10 years, that's ridiculous. There's no way he doesn't know Zionism/Israel is behind almost everything. If he's afraid or cares only about his career, then he must be outed as the coward or dishonest clown that he is. What the hell are we doing letting all these cowards or dishonest jerks be in leadership positions of the alternative media? They should get the hell out. Get out of the movement and let those of us who expose the real criminals take over!
You evaded the issue yet again... I agree with you that the jailed "Holocaust deniers" are extremely unlikely to be agents. I'm referring to Alex Jones, Rense, Tarpley, Loose Change, etc. You are only identifying the obvious agents (Fetzer & co., the Jesuit people, Flocco, etc), and you make all kinds of excuses for the Zionist deniers, implying that there are no sophisticated disinfo operations other than TFC.
You suggest TFC's guests "see through Smith's deceptions and manipulations", but if that is so, then why don't they write/talk about it?
In the same post in which you call them Zionist agents, you suggest they may be working for the CIA and trying to shift blame away from the Bush regime. So are they Zionist agents or CIA agents?
Now you introduce a new theory, that "the CIA or Bush regime would correspondingly try to divert attention to Israel". You know as well as all of us that the Bush regime is completely Zionist-controlled. The 40% or so that are not Jewish are just as willing to help the Zionist cause. Cheney played a large role in 9/11, for example.
The CIA is full of Israeli agents, and the leadership is obviously corrupt, but it may indeed have some honest people who are aware of what's going on, and may secretly be trying to help America. However, shifting blame away from the Bush regime and onto Israel is a worthless tactic. It would make much more sense to expose Israeli control of the US government (and media, banking, etc). Which is what TFC does!
Nobody is saying that Hoffman's work is useless. In fact, he has done great work, better than Jim Fetzer. Those are the most effective agents. You surely must agree that Jim Fetzer is a disinfo agents, right? He is way too intelligent to believe the nonsense he spews. Hoffman uses the "inside job" false dilemma fallacy, and he knows it. 9/11 was not done by Arabs; therefore, 9/11 was an inside job. When the obvious culprit is Israel.
The neo-Nazis' idolization of Hitler depends on him not being Jewish, not being a pawn, etc. Piper also seems to be a Hitler enthusiast. They are hardly unbiased sources. And if this article was written in 1982, that's way outdated, before the Internet era.
As for the Iranian holocaust conference, it wasn't really about "establishing whether the "holocaust" happened", but rather about free speech. It was kind of a revenge for the Mohammed cartoons that the Zionist media waved as an example of the wonderful free speech the "Western democracies" enjoy. There was no conclusion or official position reached at the end of the conference. If it wasn't for David Duke, the media would've had a hard time smearing the conference as racist (and even as "anti-Semitic"), especially with the images of the Neturei Karta rabbis hugging and kissing President Ahmadinejad being displayed so prominently. David Duke was used to hurt Iran's image in the world public's mind (nobody outside of a few million people in the US saw Wolf Blitzer's interview with Duke). Whether this was deliberate or not, I don't know.
I've read some of Andrew Mathis' nonsense at BluWiki. What does he do to counter Smith's arguments? He repeats the official story. Al Qaeda did 9/11, Iraq had WMDs, etc, etc. It's possible that Andrew Mathis is not a paid criminal, as his behavior would suggest. Piper said Mathis stalks him and insulted his dead mother.
Yep, I couldn't agree more, and I do find that suspicious. Kind of a "cult leader" behavior, though I've always assumed it to be an ego issue.
Folks, if you're hooked on WUFYS, it's almost certainly because you've figured out who really calls the shots and pulls the strings.
Dear Old Poseidon's latest IED-petard is that Daryl Smith at www.iamthewitness.com is a zionist tool who is actively engaged in shifting blame for 911 to Israel and away from Bush-Cheney. Please read Po's most recent posts for this breaking story.
I can no longer imagine that old Poseidon is sincere despite the great waves of "logic" and "analysis" he deluges the site with.
His basket is brimming with herring large and small, but busy readers should know that dear old Poseidon badly wants us to swallow the following:
Old Herring 1) "There couldn't be THAT many disinfo agents." The Zionists wouldn't spend the cash to set up liars on TV, radio, newspaper, AND the internet. He's done the math for us and it's a fantastic amount. Poseidon thinks Jefferson was way out of line suggesting that "the price of liberty is eternal VIGILANCE."
Old Herring 2) The corollary to Old Herring 1 is that the Khazars were caught off guard by the troof movement. So, according to Poseidon, they got themselves "3 key guys" to counter the truth movement. When Smith, Bollyn, & Hufschmid suggest that we are skeptical and critical of "truth" tellers, Poseidon barks "pay no attention to the man behind the screen" and insists that harmony is more important than exposing frauds. Anyone read The Protocols lately or are they a forgery?
Fresh Herring) This one is an absolute HOWLER. Posiedon whispers that Smith is covering for Bush-Cheney by shifting the blame onto the Israelis/Khazars. He goes into some detail to help us little sunfish, and I urge folks to read through as far as they can.
Herring 4) Smith's library of interviews with experts on the history of Zionism and its crimes are irrelevant (role in Bolshevik Revolution for example, or the roles of the Chertoff and Emmanuel families in Israel's founding and US government today).
UAZ kindly wades through his latest and patiently argues the facts. Me? I've had my fill of fish logic and fish facts.
UAZ, I think DBS et al need to maybe provide a page where the give a run down on people they suspect and the reason/evidence. It would be helpful since claims get spread out and hard to locate.
I think Daryl does a pretty good job of providing a quick explanation for why he suspects people. It's gotta be a pain in the ass to constantly repeat info for new listeners who missed earlier shows. I don't agree that he's been "bizarre" although there's not been a lot of new interviews or breaking stories, so he's been rehashing stuff in his rants. Personally, I enjoy the rants and sympathize with him for the amount of time and expense he's put into it. He's stuck his neck out and seems to get more shit than thanks.
Somethin' fishy about that Old Fishmonger !
Quas, that thar photo were tasty, but exceeding nasty.
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Wanted to reiterate for the last time before the next high tide that I'll drop Smith, Bollyn, & Huf IF anyone ever offers substantive proof that they're disinfo. NOT the eye of newt, wing of bat, and other guano flung over the fence so far.
UnitedAgainstZionism writes:
Glad we agree on this.
What actions were those?
I don't think Roy Bullock ever worked at The Spotlight. In The Judas Goats, Piper tells how Bullock visited the Liberty Lobby HQ, posing as a Spotlight reader. He was a popular visitor, since he carried lots of (ADL) cash and always paid the dinner bill. He probably managed to gather some information, but it was not long before Piper and Carto were on to him. Even if he'd managed to bribe some junior reporter, his influence would be quite minimal. If the hypothetical reporter's articles had strayed too far from the truth, this would have been spotted and he would have been fired. As happened with Bollyn.
TFC were right when they said AFP had been infiltrated by Zionists. Bollyn refused to say whether he thought AFP had been "infiltrated" - probably because he knew full well that he himself was one of the moles! Another was Greg Szymanski. If Piper said that there's no way a Washington-based anti-Zionist newspaper could be infiltrated, then that is not correct. He may have meant that the infiltrators would not be able to seize control, and could only make limited, temporary mischief.
One man's nonsense is another man's perfect sense.
The WTC demolition has Israel's / the Mossad's fingerprints all over it. With the Pentagon attack, the evidence points more to the Bush regime. Some of the Pentagon conspirators, such as Raytheon employees and Boeing engineers, were killed to shut them up. There was no need to do that with Zakheim and agents who demolished the WTC, since they were members of the tribe. But exposers of Bush / Cheney / Rumsfeld / Rice / Myers, etc, are still a force for good. DBS, Hufschmid and Bollyn are a divisive, destructive force whose activities benefit the Zionist criminal network and hinder those who seek justice and liberty for the masses.
I would certainly like to see Alex Jones and Webster Tarpley point to Israeli involvement. But they have managed to establish a niche which works for them, and they are still useful for educating newcomers who are just waking up. What the hell are we doing allowing obvious agent provocateurs or lunatics like Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn pose as "anti-Zionists", agents who claim that Ernst Zundel, Mike Rivero, Mark Glenn, and Mike Piper are "Zionist agents"? Anyone acquainted with the work of Zundel / Rivero / Glenn / Piper will see they are not Zionist agents; hence, Smith and the team must hope to bamboozle newbies. And the terrible trio's protected status demonstrates that they are not just a bunch of nutcases. As Piper says (April 6, 2007, 1:25), Eric is nobody's fool. Ergo, Hufsmith/Bollyn are Zionist-installed agent provocateurs.
They should make way for those of us who expose the real criminals, and can do so without trying to provide net nannying services by claiming to be the one true source of "truths".
Another of TFC's absurdities is that, if they are to be believed, the Sam Danner affair was not a stunt devised by Eric and Chris Bollyn to promote themselves, but an event that genuinely had them fooled, even after almost everybody had already seen through the hoax. Yet, a few months later, we find Hufschmid / Bollyn / Smith telling us that they are the sole arbiters of truth and the only ones clever enough to be able to tell who is or isn't a Zionist agent.
That is rather like a tale about a Muslim who flunked flying lessons, and was refused permission to hire a Cessna. Then, weeks later, he manages to slam a 757 into the Pentagon at well over 300 mph, being so skilled at using the elevators to set the pitch that he can go from an altitude of 266 feet a mile out to having the engines clear the lawn by a couple of feet a mere ten seconds later. A descent angle of 2.86598 degrees enters the building 2 feet off the ground; an angle of 2.88771 degrees just hits the ground, so the accuracy is 0.02173 degrees. And all that whilst experiencing minimum lateral forces of at least ½g probably peaking at 2g.
If Alex Jones, Rense, Loose Change, etc, are your "sophisticated" agents, then yes, I would agree that these could be agents. The failure to mention Israel and the focus on the weakest arguments and the diversions such as claims of a "gold heist" are suspicious. But we have no proof that these are agents, unlike TFC / Bollyn. The latter are a poisonous force that is damaging to the movement, which is why they should be exposed for the shills that they are.
Some of them have, e.g. Eustace Mullins on January 8. And Mike Piper is a former guest of Smith. I'll bet Piper would love to go on Smith's show or have the trio on his own show, but they would probably decide discretion is the better part of valor.
Many people now refuse to reappear on Smith's show because of the way he pretended to be on their side, and then attacked them after entrapping them into saying something he could use against them. There was Bruce Kent ((December 7, 2005), John Kaminski (December 9), Kee Dewdney (December 14), Sabah al-Mukhtar (December 16), Annie Machon (December 21), Wayne Kyle (December 22), and Lady Michele Renouf (February 17, 2007). He may not have gone on to attack every one of these, but he has turned against enough people that most folk have now wised up to his MO.
When Kaminski was on Smith's show, Smith agreed with everything he said and did not interrupt JK or show the slightest indication that he regarded any of his statements as "racist". Within a day or two, Smith was suddenly attacking Kaminski for his "racism". When Lady Renouf was on his show, Smith pretended to support her and to be on the side of David Irving. A year later, he is found accusing Irving of being a "pedophile" and a "Zionist agent". And Smith said he was suspicious of Kee Dewdney. Of course, Smith is careful to remove the evidence by deleting these interviews from his site. I may put them up on takeourworldback, so folk can see for themselves.
When Daryl has actual Crypto-Zionist agents and gatekeepers on his show, e.g. Annie Machon, Smith does not go on to attack them. Machon is a Hebrew word meaning "facility" or "institute". At Israel's Dimona plant, the various blocks are known as Machon 1, Machon 2, etc. Annie's ex-partner David Shayler is known to practice kabbalism.
I use "Zionist" not as some codeword for "Jewish", but to describe supporters of the NWO crowd's program to erode and abolish national sovereignties and traditional liberties in order to establish a global dictatorship. I'd say there is a good chance that Smith/Hufschmid/Bollyn are Christian Zionists connected to the CIA. But they could be working for Israel.
Either way, it is pretty clear that they are a Zionist-financed distraction, as Patrick Grimm concluded at his Zionist Watch blogspot, after looking at what TFC had to say and what I had to say. Grimm's article has just been spotted by Chris Womak and posted at the excellent Politically Correct Apostate.
If you propose an imbalance whereby Israel's agents can divert attention to Bush but US agents cannot shift the blame to Israel, this presupposes a theory about the hierarchy of Zionist forces. Much of the time, I would agree that Israel and organized Jewry has so much leverage due to their lobby groups, subs with nuclear-tipped missiles, capacity to conduct terrorist attacks, blackmail of the Bush regime over the Pentagon attack allowing Israel to get away with embezzlement of vast sums from the Pentagon and demolition of the WTC, etc, that Bush could be afraid to shift the blame to Israel.
But there could be pro-US elements within the CIA who decide they will ignore any pecking order. They would act out of a misguided sense of patriotism, doing what they thought was right for the US leadership. This could be Smith's motivation.
Others have exposed that, and much more effectively than TFC could ever hope to do.
It does appear so.
This might also be said about Eric Hufschmid.
Perhaps he thinks the best strategy is to start prosecuting Bush regime members, then that can lead on to Chertoff - Silverstein - Lowy - Zakheim - Netanyahu - the Mossad, etc.
Mathis has 30 points in this April 3, 2006 "debunking" alone; they don't all count, but some of his arguments are valid. See his (20): Chris says that Hitler himself was of partial Jewish descent. He says Hitler's half-sister was Jewish. Neither were. The question is conclusively debunked in Ian Kershaw's two-volume biography of Hitler. It's not just the "neo-Nazis" who dispute claims that Hitler was part-Jewish.
Amusingly, in this February 20, 2006 "debunking", Mathis points out that Smith obviously didn't bother to research or read any of William Cooper's work, because Cooper was a proponent of belief in UFOs! Smith and Hufschmid say that belief in UFOs is "nonsense", although that is contradicted by Eric's (and Rupert Murdoch's) "Apollo hoax" theories, and Smith's refusal to denounce them.
Smith followers who uncritically accept Myron Fagan's claims as gospel should consider what Mathis has to say about that. Mathis' point (7) is correct, for example, about the origin of May Day.
However, some of Mathis' debunking is Zionist propaganda. Note his treatment of claim (3) about Laposky being the Dillons' true name, where he provides a link to here. However, click on Samuel Dillon, and you find he was born as Sam Lapowski. Either Mathis didn't bother to check that out, or he hoped that no one else would.
Some of Mathis' criticisms are valid. Smith is right some of the time, but one cannot take everything he says for granted just because he seems to be such a good - or outspoken - anti-Zionist and can project an apparent air of sincerity.
This page lists some hoaxes originated by Chris Bollyn. They omitted the "thermite in the Fuji Bank batteries" absurdity, the stunt involving provoking the police into arresting him, numerous unsubstantiated claims such as the "2000 death threat", and any mention of the connection with David Rockefeller.
Yes, I saw the exchange between them where Piper scared - or tried to scare - Mathis into thinking that he was going to sue him. Readers might like to refer to Piper's show of April 16, 2007 featuring the Piper / Mathis battle, or see here for Mathis' version of events.
Smith's MO is to dishonestly gain the confidence of his prospects by telling them what they want to hear and pretending to be one of the target group, creating anxiety by suggesting that his rivals are "agents", and then offering to relieve that anxiety by providing a one-stop source of "trusted truths". But anyone who - in light of all the evidence - refuses to accept any possibility that Smith, Hufschmid and Bollyn might be shills, will expose themselves as a likely member of the same team.
When enough folks learn just how good DBS is at CIA spook craft the game Eric has setup will become the "Retard Bin" corner of the net and they will not even be able to serve a few shows of there crap to anyone with half a brain.
I commend Poseidon for working this issue. My tolerance for IATW Mp3's left early in 06' and is not going to return any time soon so my thanks for those that have heard the last year of em and are willing to call a spade a spade.
And as for Daryl well if the guy is not going to video himself and put face to name he will just remain another CIA annoyance to contend with.
I would hope that most would see sooner rather than later that TFC visits are tailored to stun not to enlighten. Planed out to waste your time and run you through a endless maze of info that is or is not true all salted with the delay/distraction spice.
Can anyone name anything DBS or Eric have broken NEWS wise? Even one issue? No they just gate keep the stuff already floating around in the wild.
TFC is just there to waste your time on ANY level they can. Leading you to some fanciful never never land of there own spook creation ... just for your consumption.
"Dog poop soup" was the term the Pickle dude used one or twice.
How many bowls of it can you stomach?
First you take D.C. Then you take New York.
They are not a force for good when they systematically marginalize those who DO expose Zionist/Israeli involvement. In the same sense that you want us to take the good stuff from Alex Jones and all the other Zionist deniers, why don't you take the good stuff from TFC and ignore the gossip and innuendo?
The Sam Danner hoax may have been a clever deception intended to discredit Hufschmid by exploiting his weakest point: Hufschmid wants to see a Global Hawk. He never corrected the errors he made in his original analyses of 9/11, such as the Pentagon dog not finding people, the blue tarp, the seismic data, the "collapse" time, etc. He should've admitted that he was fooled by Danner, but instead he attacked Russell Pickering for exposing Danner.
How are the Zionist deniers not a poisonous force? They are trying to focus all the attention on Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld/Rice/Myers, and doing everything they can do divert attention away from the real criminals behind 9/11, i.e., Israel, Zionists in the government, and the media. And they don't expose the Holocaust, or much else. Your failure to identify the Zionist-denying talking heads as agents and merely labeling them as "suspicious" is suspicious, especially when you are claiming that TFC are running an extremely sophisticated operation, and when you're only identifying the most obvious agents.
That's interesting... I didn't know David Shayler practiced Kabbalism. That guy is clearly not ex-MI5, and neither is Annie Machon. They are two more Zionist agents, working within British intelligence. "Israel had nothing to do with 9/11 and no planes hit the towers. Honest!"
Since when do Christian Zionists act rationally? Do you think they would issue a fatwa against John Hagee? This is the stupidest thing you've suggested yet.
That is a bunch of nonsense. Bush is working for Israel, not for the American people. Same with Cheney, Rice, Gates, and the other American "leaders". Behind them you have the string-pullers: Chertoff, Perle, Zakheim, and all the other Israeli agents.
... yet Smith knows that Israel controls the US government, and he exposes this fact. How can that possibly be a "misguided sense of patriotism"? You make no sense.
The only reason Mearsheimer & Walt "expose it better" is because they are an authority: they are academics and Jewish. TFC have exposed much more, but they'll always have that "anti-Semite" brush. The same is true for Jimmy Carter. He barely scratched the surface, but look how much damage he did, simply because he's an authority.
You seem to be a Hitler enthusiast also, eh? Of all those 30 "points", you selected the Hitler one that we had already gone through. Lil' Andrew makes almost no valid points in his entire "debunking" piece. And trying to discredit Chris Bjerknes is not a good idea. This man knows more than you and I combined.
Obviously not, since the official story is that he was not.
In some interview, Hufschmid said he believes Bill Cooper was starting to realize that the UFO stuff is Zionist deception, and that's probably why he was killed.
Wikipedia agrees: "In later years, Cooper recanted his UFO-oriented beliefs, asserting that they were in fact part of the Illuminati plot to subjugate the United States. [...] In the 1990s Cooper's interest moved from UFOs, to covert government programs, and finally to the militia movement. He concluded that all UFO reports were New World Order propaganda."
And what's so wrong with believing the Apollo moon landings were a hoax? Have you seen What Happened on the Moon - An investigation into Apollo? That is the real deal movie disproving Apollo. The Fox special you like to refer to may be deliberate deception. Likening Apollo to UFO theories is dishonest.
90+% of it is Zionist propaganda. I can't believe you're using Andrew Mathis to try to discredit TFC... It's like using George Bush.
That page you linked to damns Jim Hoffman as an agent. He clearly denounces "Holocaust denial", clearly implies that Jews and Zionists are not involved in 9/11, and accuses everyone from APF to Hufschmid of being "racist", while linking to his friends Mike Ruppert and Mark Robinowitz, two "Peak Oil" promoters. Look at what he writes: "The piece exploits the fallacy of the false dichotomy, implying that the only alternatives to the official story blame Zionists and Jews for the attack." That alone should make us conclude that he's very likely a Zionist agent.
Perhaps George Bush thinks the best strategy is to start wars in the Middle East so that the world will start looking into what's going on and realize what the Zionists are doing.
The "evidence" is only their accusations against others. Your claims of disinfo by Bollyn and Apollo theories are dubious at best. I don't think anybody refuses to consider the possibility. Even Suzette the Whippette is starting to wonder what's going on with Hufschmid.
I would bet the info files and IP logs give Eric and his CIA ghost crue headed by a mystery voice a major simple time targeting the easy to fool and willing shills by the score don't you all?
The main reason Daryl goes off about numbers is the TFC web is not coughing up enough info files and IP logs to keep "Upstairs" quiet. The traffic to do there job is well over there current numbers and all the recent shenanigans around the whole bunch are not doing anything to boost numbers. To get there job done now that the scale of movement around getting REAL with the Questions and not letting the WEB Distractions hamper all the MUCH needed fixing and folks are starting to see that if there going about there business as normal they are just financing and promoting war. Me I have only purchased 1/10 of every thing i normally would buy. All with out much trouble. You all need to start to rethink ALL the things you buy QUICK. This is a major hot time for the big men to use your consumption to drive there war machine Don't feed the BEAST. Starvation is GOING to bring the beast down i think it should be Sooner not later.
This DBS thing is sure taking a long time to shake out eh?
Oh and Suzzette the Whippit twit Daryl's phone and typer girl/shot catcher could her nose be any farther up the DBS crack? :')
First you take D.C. Then you take New York.
Good ol Poseidon and his alter ego da MASHER are back at it chumming the waters. Ol Po’s slinging his bottomless buckets of shredded tissue while da MASHER is back and bailing his insipid lumps over the side.
If you two aren’t already an established entity, maybe it’s time to incorporate. Know that this one’s already taken
Oh, by the way MASHER, if you’re sooooooo hot for Daryl to reveal his identity, why not start the process by posting your own photo? How about one together with the Great Protector of Troof Movement Harmony? Very much looking forward to it old Chum.
UAZ, thanks again for going through the effluent and rebuting it. My patience is shot. It's nonsense and once again Mr. "Take Our World Back" links to pieces that DON'T support his points trusting that his word and wall of noise will be sufficient.
The following exhibits - audio files - demonstrate that alleged CIA-backed agent provocateur Daryl Smith is a treacherous, bare-faced liar. The aforementioned defendant was just as anxious to remove those first two files as Rudy Giuliani was to get rid of the WTC steel.
Exhibit A:
http://www.takeourworldback.com/mp3/SmithKaminski09Dec20051.mp3
Exhibit B:
http://www.takeourworldback.com/mp3/SmithKaminski09Dec20052.mp3
Exhibit C:
http://www.takeourworldback.com/mp3/SmithRenouf17Feb2006.mp3
As of writing, the latter file is still available from Smith's site:
http://www.iamthewitness.com/DarylBradfordSmithInterviewsRenouf.html
Exhibit A is the first section of Smith's December 9, 2005 show featuring John Kaminski; Exhibit B is the final section. Exhibit C is Smith's February 17, 2006 show featuring Lady Michele Renouf.
Smith's MO has been to gain his listeners' confidence by presenting himself as a 'genuine' anti-Zionist. In his more reasonable GCN "chance of showers into the afternoon" phase, he tended to point out actual disinfo agents such as Tom Flocco. Once he had gained the trust of his audience, he would go on to make increasingly bizarre and outrageous claims, culminating in allegations that Ernst Zundel, Germar Rudolf, Mike Rivero, Mike Piper, Ellen Mariani, William Rodriguez, Mark Glenn, etc were "Zionist agents". He would also accuse some of these of being "homosexuals" or even "pedophiles", e.g. David Irving.
Smith would use the shows as a means of gathering 'evidence' against respected figures in the 9/11 truth or historical revisionist or nationalist movements. A guest would typically be invited to name those whom he believed to be the "bad guys" in the movement, and to produce any dirt that he could on them. The broadcasts were little more than gossip sessions, where people get talked about - in an unfavorable light - when they are not present to defend themselves. Sometimes Smith would use this 'evidence' against a third party to label them as a "Zionist agent". But if he could, he would even try to trick the guest into saying something that could be used as evidence against the guest.
Smith's problem was that he would eventually run out of people. Even those whom he had not yet denounced as a "Crypto-Zionist", but merely used as ammunition against another anti-Zionist, wouldd eventually wise up to his deceit and subsequently give him a wide berth.
Smith gave two reasons for his "falling out" with John Kaminski. The original claim was that Kaminski was a "racist". More recent versions allege that Kaminski was trying to get Smith in trouble over the "holocaust denial" laws.
In Exhibit A, the first Kaminski session, Smith says (2:30 minutes) that John is a "truth teller", and that "he's always been straight". Later, as Smith prepares to introduce Kaminski (25:50), he says he's happy to have him on his show whenever he wants, he's a regular visitor, a friend of his, comes from "the same neck of the woods", and shares some of the same "childhood goals and ethics".
Here, it is evident that Smith was attempting to get Kaminski to give him any dirt he had on Jimmy Walters. Kaminski did mention how Mike Ruppert was exposed as a fraud (30:15), and says he believes Phil Jayhan's theory about the planes "firing missiles" just before hitting the Towers is just a distraction (32:45). Kaminski mentions Stu Webb as "25% disinformation" (33:38). At 34:23, DBS says "John Kaminski is a rare talent, and he's going to talk the truth today." At 38:20, DBS tries to do down Phil Jayhan. At 44:15, DBS says "John Kaminski is one of the greats in the country for this fight against tyranny."
In the second Kaminski session, Exhibit B, Daryl Smith continues to have nothing but praise for John Kaminski. At the start, Smith says "We have somebody that represents really, wonderful truth and a lot of experience here, his name's John Kaminski, he's a friend and he's a hard worker for moving our nation's truth forward here". Then Smith characteristically prompts Kaminski to talk about the "bad guys" in the 9/11 truth movement. At 4:05, JK talks about Morgan Reynolds, saying that he found "no fault" with him - or William Rodriguez. Of course, that was Reynolds' confidence-building period; as of 2007 we know that he is a "former" Bush junta member in the same way that Osama, dead or alive, is a "former" CIA asset. At 14:30, DBS talks about Eustace Mullins (whom he had as a guest the previous day) saying that all the -isms were coined by the same Zionists, they were festered and propagated by this group to cause "derision"/division and problems in the world, and it's the bankers. Kaminski says (15:18) "He (Mullins) didn't say bankers, he said Jewish bankers." Smith agrees. At 19:40, Smith says he uses "Zionist" as a term because it does encompass the "useful idiots" that they employ such as Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson. JK says the only difference between Zionism and Judaism is that Zionism includes evangelical Christians. DBS says "That's right."
At 26:08, Smith says "We've been talking with my dear friend and collaborator in the truth, John Kaminski ... I don't know what to say about John except thank goodness for John". At 29:30, JK talks about Jewish-instigated "hate" laws, the ultimate in hypocrisy .. now, you can't criticise anything Jewish even if it's killing you.
At 30:16, Smith says "For them to do anything to me, John, would explode those interviews all over the place, they would be from one end of the planet to the other..." Kaminski: "Don't overrate yourself Daryl, when you see what's happening throughout the world. I doubt, certainly neither one of us, has the body of work that Germar Rudolf has. I mean, he's been at this and he has been voluminous, and he has been to the point, and all of these so-called 'historical revisionists' that are trying to point out the fictions that have been perpetrated from WWII that the Jews are trying to turn into a worldwide religion..." DBS: "Yeah." JK: "With all these 'holocaust' museums that are going on ... there's no way the stuff they're saying in those 'holocaust' museums is even remotely true. They just have a hammer lock on the media and they keep pounding us - they wanna turn us all into homosexuals to destroy the family - that's not an exaggeration and it's not a statement against homosexuals because the homosexual population has been steady at 10% or whatever it is throughout history". Kaminski does not mention the 'holocaust' any more.
Smith says (37:45) "It's been a very powerful interview with my friend John Kaminski", and goes on to talk about his responsibilities as a broadcaster and how it's dangerous for him to take stands on things without having to qualify them. Kaminski says "...we have to try to include everyone in a better world and we can't just arbitrarily rule anybody out". At 48:05 a caller, Mike from Arizona, says he doesn't believe the claims over the 'holocaust'. He recommends Myron Fagan and Benjamin Freedman. Is "Mike" one of Smith's shills? DBS says (51:40) "I wanna thank you guys for calling - Mike for calling in and John for being my guest - it's been a great show..."
So, Smith did not give even the slightest indication that he found Kaminski to be "racist" or offensive, continuing to praise him. Smith agreed with Kaminski's definition of Zionism, not even bothering to point out the example of anti-Zionist Jews.
Almost immediately, Smith pulled the interview from his website, claiming that Kaminski had been "racist". Kaminski was careful to spell out that "we have to try to include everyone in a better world and we can't just arbitrarily rule anybody out". Smith sometimes refers to "Jews" rather than "Zionists". Moreover, Smith has called for Israel to be declared an enemy, attacked and carpet bombed until the crater is so deep it would take an explorer team weeks to get to the bottom of it.
Smith's other claim was that Kaminski had tried to get him in trouble over the 'holocaust' laws. Kaminski only said 78 words on the 'holocaust', and Smith had every chance to interrupt to say he disagreed or he had not looked into it. At 37:45, Smith still referred to JK as "his friend". The caller at the end was suspiciously like a shill, recommending Myron Fagan and Ben Freedman.
The Kaminski interview was on December 9, 2005, and if Smith is to be believed, he is terribly worried about the 'holocaust' laws. Yet on February 17, 2006 (Exhibit C), he has Lady Michele Renouf as a guest, with the entire show dedicated to talking about free speech relating to the 'holocaust'. Smith has already done the dirty on his 'friend' John Kaminski, but now tries to impress Lady Renouf by pretending to be a supporter of David Irving. Within a matter of months, Smith goes on to accuse Irving of being a "homosexual pedophile" and a "Zionist agent".
At 2:20, Smith says "...and she has been in contact, and will be visiting, David Irving, and if you don't know who David Irving is, you should, firstly, but more importantly he is a historian, and before he became embroiled in this recent, well, witchhunt that he's involved in over in Austria, his career brought him some accolades as being one of the best historical researchers in Britain, until he started touching on the issues of the 'holocaust' and other things..." Listen at 24:30 when Smith tries to smear Jean-Marie Le Pen as an "odious character" and a "racist", and Lady Renouf puts Smith in his place. The little creep makes an inane comment about Le Pen "working for them".
Lady Renouf: (41:24) "Instead of getting someone to actually exhume those bodies that we see in those big trenches - those skeletons that you see - the wartime skeletons which are said to have been people who have been gassed, millions of them, the obvious thing to do would be to exhume and forensically examine how they were killed. Did they die of typhus epidemic which was rife in those internment camps during the war, or did they die from poisonous gas, the Zyklon B? That would be, one would suppose, the normal way to deal with what they call 'holocaust denial'. But instead of which, all I saw in that courtroom for two months, was this extraordinarily subjective argument as if we were talking of a religion, what actually they'd called a Holy of Holies, as opposed to a sensible investigation..." Smith: (45:06) "Maybe we can have another visit and hopefully pronounce some good news for David..."
Lady Renouf refers to "Hellenic skepticism", but this phrase seems a bit misleading as Hellenic skepticism apparently went out with Lucian in the 2nd century. The early skeptics claimed that knowledge was unattainable (e.g. see Bertrand Russell's History of Western Philosophy, p. 243). Maybe the revisionists' skepticism would be better described as a
"Socratic skepticism", in a Hellenic-based culture?
So Smith starts out being pals with Kaminski, using him to have a go at Jimmy Walter, Phil Jayhan, Stu Webb and other possible agents. He then decides Kaminski's information is too good, and he has to be labelled as an "agent" or a "racist". Smith then pretends to be matey with David Irving, knowing full well that he can sink his teeth in a few months later, when his followers have had a little more time to be brainwashed.
Smith's claims about Kaminski are blown out of the water by the fact that Smith continued to heap praise on him, there is no evidence that Kaminski is any more "racist" than Smith, and a subsequent Smith broadcast was entirely dedicated to the subject of the 'holocaust' and historical revisionism. Hence, Daryl Smith is a treacherous, two-faced, bare-faced liar.
Given the questionable quality of Smith's 'information' and the fact that there are numerous alternative, better sources that do not seek to label the best workers in the movement as "Zionist agents" or "pedophiles", it would be ridiculous for even a millionaire, with ample free time, to waste any of it investigating Daryl Smith's hotchpotch of half-truths, absurdities, and malicious lies.
http://www.instructables.com/id/EDM3LUTF1B3R794/
Thats Me Fester!
First you take D.C. Then you take New York.
So now you give up on your previous efforts to discredit TFC's top-quality information, and just start a new accusation?
I don't know about Stu Webb, but Mike Ruppert ('Peak Oil', Cheney mastermind, etc) and Phil Jayhan ('pod theory', Vatican/Jesuits) are clearly not to be trusted. Smith is correct in pointing that out.
As for John Kaminski, he was interviewed by Kevin Barrett (I think it was Barrett, I can't locate the actual RBN show) some months ago, and he was outed by Stadtmiller (who called in) for his racist remarks. I don't remember exactly what his remarks were, but he was lumping all Jews together, saying that all Jews are part of the problem, etc.
Yet a year prior to that he was saying that blaming all Jews is nonsense (see 2005-03-17_Daryl_Smith_Interviews_John_Kaminski.MP3 starting from around the middle).
I don't see anything strange about Kaminski being Smith's "friend" and then Smith changing his mind about it. He was also a "good friend" of Piper (see any of Smith's old interviews with him), and he even called Piper things like a "national treasure" (20 Jan 2006 show @ 14:40).
How does recommending Benjamin Freedman and Myron Fagan make you look like a shill? I recommend them too, especially Freedman.
Regarding Smith "pretending" to be a supporter of David Irving, maybe he simply changed his mind some time later. Maybe he read Alexander Baron's accusations, coupled with Irving's public statement that "millions of Jews died, there's no question about it".
Smith is correct in pointing out that Le Pen is a racist. I think he also holds Arabs responsible for the terrorist attacks, the French riots, etc, so Smith has reason to suspect him.
You say there are "numerous alternative, better sources" than TFC. Name them.
And please, Masher1, you make so little sense that I can barely read your posts without my brain hurting. Please provide us with some sensible insight instead of that almost unintelligible drivel you've been giving us.
BIG yawn MASHER. BIG YAWN chum.
That's the sum total of your "evidence" ain't it. That's why you've been holding out saying we'd have to discover his "bold lies" for ourselves.
There's nothing there excpet your mischaracterization of Smith's reasons for distancing himself from Kaminski, Renouf, etc.
More intelligent listeners will notice that Smith is consistent his handling of them. Upon reflection, he felt they were trying to lead him into trouble with "hate" crime laws in France. You happen to be too much of a dullard, or, more likely, too insincere to figure this out even when it's explained repeatedly.
You're way bettter off avioding the "facts" and "evidence." Stick to your tried and true whispering and mutterings.
MASHER, here's my photo:
Notice the line in/out of the left ear. It leads directly to Smith's mind control apparatus:
It's good to see that people are waking up to Daryl Smith's deceptions and treachery. But his operation was always self-limiting. He could not carry on accusing more and more anti-Zionist activists of being "Zionist collaborators" without coming a cropper.
For example, see the recent Curt Maynard piece which is available here (Part I):
http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/exposing_daryl_bradford_smith.htm
Part I alone demonstrates that Smith is a ne'er-do-well. It should be obvious enough that some snivelling upstart who has contributed little or nothing of value, yet accuses Ernst Zundel of being a "Zionist agent", is either a jackass or a knave. And given Smith's capacity for snaring the unwary, acting as a prolific timewaster, and enlisting le Gendarmerie to guard him from irate Jews who are a target of his venom, he is not a complete cretin.
Another recent article compares Daryl to Seung-Hui Cho, and suggests that he "mixes a little bit of BS with a lot of paranoid opinion, and hardly ever fact":
http://info-warriors.com/?p=90
That piece has a link to 2:20 of audio which includes Smith's infamous call for Israel to be "carpet bombed", and a claim that "George Bush is too stupid to wipe his own behind". Or click on the next link to go straight to the audio clip:
http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5996969308487395940
It's funny how this call for indiscriminate carpet bombing of Israel comes from a man claiming to have many Jewish friends! They can rely on Daryl's loyalty about as much as John Kaminski or David Irving or Steven E Jones could rely on it, i.e., about as far as a one-armed tree climber could throw a rattlesnake. With 'friends' like Daryl, who needs enemies?
The following link to Patrick Grimm's Zionist Watch is worth including again in a list of recent, worthy articles on DBS. "Now at least 50% of their writing and internet radio broadcasts (broadcast out of France, rather than the good ol' USA) are taken up with painting any individual who doesn't agree with everything they say as a "closet Zionist" a "Zionist collaborator" or part of the "criminal network". Hardly anyone has escaped their infantile witchhunt":
http://zionistwatch.blogspot.com/2007/04/false-flags-among-us.html
Because TFC's signal to noise ratio is so poor that it is a total waste of time, and in any case it contains so little of value that it is like searching through a dung heap to find a dime. And having information on audio as opposed to text is also extremely inefficient. If the audio files contained as much "good" information as Smith's team claim, they should have transcribed it to avoid the necessity of spending hours listening to downloaded files just on the odd chance that there could be something useful. Why should people go on a CIA- / Scientology-created wild goose chase when they have the mighty internet at their disposal? People should learn to use search engines, not rely on spooks and shills to do their research for them.
I agree that some of this diversion is deliberate, but in part it is a natural consequence of existing Zionist-instigated taboos. If a niche exists whereby an individual can obtain a reasonable amount of airtime pointing out to newcomers that the government has misled them, then anyone who fills that niche is a force for good. As newcomers get up to speed, they can then refer to other outlets in order to start investigating Zionism. Now that it is generally accepted by truthers that Daryl Smith is one of the bad guys, they will have more sense than to let a perfidious son of a pig like Smith do their investigating for them, and tell them what to think. We don't need no thought control!
Others do, luminaries whom Smith has denounced as "Zionist collaborators" and/or "pedophiles".
I do not say that none of these people are agents, but I refuse to condemn them all in the absence of evidence. In contrast, Smith does condemn them all in a hasty generalization designed to poison and divide the movement, which tells us more about Smith than about the "Zionist deniers".
Another hasty generalization.
The reasons I gave above explain why they are working for Israel. One of Smith's jobs is to protect Bush in the event of impeachment or prosecution. Hence, Smith is observed claiming that Bush is a moron who "is too stupid to wipe his own behind", and showing how Bush is "controlled" by Israel. At the trial, the defense would argue for diminished responsibility, and that Israel had forced Bush to attack Afghanistan, Iraq and the Pentagon, and to cover up for the WTC demolition, etc.
He is shielding Bush as above, and the so-called "exposing" - which is mostly rather tame facts that others have already exposed - allows Smith to attract his target audience.
I wouldn't be surprised to find that next week Smith is accusing Chris Bjerknes of being a Crypto-Zionist and a pedophile, and that the week after he names Robert Faurisson as a Zionist collaborator and a serial killer who slashes his victims.
I think most have already figured that out.
Link didn't work.
The page doesn't even mention Hoffman. Maybe the site does somewhere. If I link to a page, it does not mean that I support everything on the page or even on the entire website. It is to illustrate the particular point I am making.
If Suzette, Eric and UAZ are all one and the same, they would pretend to have minor disagreements as part of the smoke and mirrors. Some suggest that Eric and the Skunk are the same person; I think their styles are too dissimilar. But as others have pointed out, it is interesting that the judicial-inc.biz domain expires on February 8, 2008, which is the very same day the iamthewitness.com domain has to be renewed by. The domains are probably administered by the same team of shills.
Another interesting connection emerges from an analysis of traffic ranking by city for judicial-inc. It has Los Angeles at 1st position, and Chicago at number 2 (cf. above link relating to this domain). Wiki points out that Los Angeles has the largest concentration of Scientologists and Scientology-related enterprises in the world. The Church also has a number of bases in the Chicago region.
Eric's address, Goleta, CA, is only about 90 miles from LA. I see the population breakdown has 11.2% German, 0.6% Swiss and 0.2% Israeli ancestry.
Once would be understandable, twice might be coincidence, but when someone ditches so many former friends like they all have the plague, it is evidence of a deliberate campaign, or serious psychological problems. Taking all the evidence into account, it is clear that Smith is a knave rather than a lunatic or a fool.
Kaminski was no more racist than Smith on the censored broadcast, and it is Smith who has tried to instigate hatred by calling for carpet bombing of Israel. And if Smith was worried about 'holocaust denial' laws in December 2005, he would not have broadcast an entire program on that very subject in February 2006.
The likelihood of a single, random caller just happening to recommend the very same two speeches that Daryl had been recommending, and to say he didn't believe in the 'holocaust', must be astronomically low. If he was a shill whose job was to help provide the pretext for a Zionist character assassination of Kaminski, this vastly improbable event suddenly becomes highly probable.
That doesn't surprise me.
Like he changed his mind about dozens of other people? It is so improbable, and the alternative theory that Smith is the bad guy is so probable, that we can safely reject your theory.
Folk that use search engines will find them. WUFYS is a much better source than TFC, even given Zionist covert infiltration.
"It's good to see that people are waking up to Daryl Smith's deceptions and treachery" - Poseidon
In typical caterwauling fishwife fashion, Poseidon cites a curt maynard article as "evidence" that Smith is guilty. Poor old Posiedon doesn't "remember" that a maynard rant was the starting point of this long-assed thread. He's jumping up and down awakening the group to this new "fact."
Po, you old chum-spewing, naked disinfo clown, you consistently:
1) ignore the facts
2) mischaracterize the obvious
3) change topics
4) cite sources which don't support your
assertions
5) spew page after page of stultifying
crap fact and crap logic
6) propose obviously nonsensical
"theories" which belie your other
credentials
7) accuse others of what you practice
8) do not respond to reasonable requests
9) spend inordinate amount of time
attacking someone who has created a
libary of interviews to educate the
public on the history of zionist
crimes
An honest or reasonable person who admit that they have a personal grudge against Smith. You would admit that you don't have any evidence against him, but you think he is wrong to charge others with being disinfo. We could agree to disagree on that basis, but you and others seem to be campaigning against the "three key guys" and that stinks of zio-disinfo which is exactly what Smith and the boys claim.
Better boot the jukebox!
First you take D.C. Then you take New York.
Maynard's article is really just his opinion. I happen to agree with him that Zundel is not an agent, but that's not enough to condemn Smith, when he has done such groundbreaking work. Maynard also fails to realize that Hufschmid is the person who writes and maintains the iamthewitness.com website, not Smith. The opinion of a person whom Smith has accused of being a Zionist agent is hardly supportive of your case.
The second article you refer to, is just the ranting of an Alex Jones fan. All it says is that Alex Jones tells all the truth; that Zionists are not behind anything -- it's the NWO/Illuminati; that Smith is COINTELPRO (not Zionist-controlled, of course, but FBI/CIA-controlled); and that Smith spews "tons of hate" and "anti-jewish rhetoric". The article doesn't support your case in the least.
What is so wrong with calling for Israel to be carpet bombed? Change 'Israel' for 'Iran' and see if it sounds that bad. Yes, innocent people in Israel would die, but that's what happens in wars. Better to kill 5 million racist and hateful (by education, not by nature) Israelis than to set off WWIII and kill hundreds of millions of Muslims, Americans, Russians, etc. And it's not like Smith was necessarily being completely serious, either. I recall he said worse things about Israel during their aggression on Lebanon last summer.
That would work if the Zionist deniers actually encouraged them to do so, but they do the exact opposite. Mike Rivero somewhat does this -- he exposes Israeli involvement, but he doesn't go all the way. He serves as a "bridge" of sorts, between the ultimate truth (that Zionism is the force behind everything), and people who just wake up from the 9/11 fairy tale or the Alex Jones fans who are confused about the "New World Order" and the "Germanic Death Cults".
This is why I believe Mike Rivero, although he doesn't go all the way in exposing Zionism, is a force for good. I suspect that he is well aware of Alex Jones' treachery, but associates with him to bring Jones' followers closer to the truth. Likewise, Jones associates with Rivero because it helps his posturing as a good man who is not afraid to expose the truth. You don't see Jones associating with TFC, AFP, or any other anti-Zionist other than Rivero.
The evidence is what they won't say. You can make the same argument with the mainstream media. It's what they don't say that is the problem, not the little twist, distortion, or fabrication here and there. The media lies by omission, and so do the Zionist deniers.
In contrast, the evidence you have against TFC is only what they DO say, which you believe to be incorrect. You can judge TFC by what they say, but you can't judge the Zionist deniers by what they say only -- you have to judge them even moreso by what they don't say.
And you of course don't have to "condemn them all", just the ones that are most clearly refusing to talk about Israeli involvement in 9/11, for example. That would include Alex Jones, Webster Tarpley, Loose Change, and a host of others.
There is no possible excuse for those who pretend to be leaders of the truth movement to refuse to talk about Israeli involvement. And the fact that you keep trying to make excuses for them is what really bothers me about you.
Now that it is generally accepted by truthers that Poseidon is one of the bad guys, and that he still beats his wife...
I don't think this remark needs any comment other than simply pointing out its absurdity.
Google removed it for some reason. I can't find it anywhere else on the Web. Someone might re-upload it sometime.
The website is Jim Hoffman's. He is the one who wrote that page.
How can you suggest such a paranoid and unlikely theory but not identify the bulk of Zionist deniers as the agents they are?
The expiration dates of the two domain names is the only evidence I've seen suggesting that Hufschmid and The Skunk are the same person. And it's very weak evidence. It is something to be considered though, that there may be some sort of relation, as it's quite a coincidence.
Do you read yourself? This makes less sense than suggesting the jailed "Holocaust deniers" are agents.
I was referring more to radio/audio sources. Stuff you can listen to with your MP3 player while working, walking, etc. No program on RBN, GCN, Revere, etc can stand up to the quality of the earlier TFC shows. Only Jack Otto, Rick Adams, Piper, and maybe a few others, can be compared to the quality of the old TFC.
MUCH better MASHER! That's the real MASHER. You've got your groove back, dude. Knew you could. Simply oustanding.
UAZ, another helpful post. My only quibble would be that Smith's show has dropped in quality only because he's presented the basic info already. Some who haven't been there might get the idea that he's gone bad when it's simply that he's covered the subject thoroughly. Just a quibble. Thanks.
Bollyn Trial
If they get away with putting Christopher Bollyn in jail, why wouldn't they continue to arrest the rest of us who they regard as potential threats?
The following link has the contact numbers in the Chicago area:
http://www.iamthewitness.com/Bollyn-chicago-contacts.html