And Here's To You Mrs. Robinson

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§ Most Hadiths that Muslims follow are not verified in the Quran.

§ In fact, the 5 pillars of Islam are not even in the Quran and that is what modern Muslims says is what defines a Muslim yes – but the 5 pillars are not in the Quran.

§ The shahada isn't in the Quran anywhere,

§ The Quran says to pray 3 times a day, not 5.
§ The Quran says give charity what you can afford, there is no mention anywhere of 5%.

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And here's to you, Mrs. Robinson,

Actually, what I meant was –

“maggieporter....
Jesus loves you more than you will know (Wo wo wo).
God bless you, please, maggieporter,
Heaven holds a place for those who pray (5 times a day…. hey hey hey)”.

So you say…”Jesus never said he was the son of God”. Why you are doing this, I don’t quite understand. You are nitpicking as far as I can tell and all for some attention and trouble …..and you just see shia and sunni…why either one of those and not the Quran if the Quran is so great in your eyes…? Why don’t you just use the instruction manual (Quran) from God?

The Quran, the final scripture from God to humankind is considered to be the first source of Islam. Hadeeth and Sunnah, which is considered to be the secondary source in Islam, must find its validation from the Quran. The Quran is from God, after all, while Hadeeth and Sunnah , even if from the Prophet himself, are from humans.

“and here’s to you maggieporter
Moses loves you more than you will know (Wo wo wo).
God bless you, please, maggieporter,
Heaven holds a place for those who pray (5 times a day…. hey hey hey).”

Why do you need two special texts written by men that “seem” to have the power to make God’s message clear? Hypocritical on your part. So God wrote the perfect book but you can’t understand it without a couple of side texts hadith/sunna – written by men.

“Shall I seek OTHER THAN THE GOD as a source of law, when He has revealed THIS BOOK FULLY DETAILED? ....The word of your Lord is COMPLETE, in truth and justice. Nothing shall abrogate His words; He is the hearer, the omniscient. Yet, if you obey the majority of people, they will take you away from the path of The God. That is because they follow CONJECTURE, and they fail to think." (Quran, 6:114-116)

“Going to the Mosque on a Friday afternoon,
Coming to this blog for Hadiths’ debate,
Laugh about it,
Shout about it,
When you’ve got to choose,
Every way you look at it you lose…”

Tell me…Did Mohammed have these texts (Hadiths/sunna) when he was given the Quran? How did He know how to interpret the Quran without these “perfect” side texts – [as you would have us believe]. It seems that there are idols everywhere!

And as for the manner in which you are communicating to all:

"Invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and kind enlightenment, and debate with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord knows best who has strayed from His path, and He knows best who are the guided ones." (16:125)

"Not equal is the good response and the bad response. You shall resort to the nicest possible response. Thus, the one who used to be your enemy, may become your best friend." (41:34)

"You shall not treat the people with arrogance, nor shall you roam the earth carefree. GOD does not like the arrogant showoffs." (31:18)

"And do not curse those who call on another than GOD, lest they blaspheme and curse GOD, out of ignorance. We have adorned the works of every group in their eyes. Ultimately, they return to their Lord, then He informs them of everything they had done." (6:108)

"O you who believe, no people shall ridicule other people, for they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than they. Nor shall you mock one another, or call each other names. Evil indeed is the reversion to wickedness after attaining faith. Anyone who does not repent after this, these are the transgressors." (49:11)

“and here’s to you maggieporter
Abraham loves you more than you will know (Wo wo wo).
God bless you, please, maggieporter,
Heaven holds a place for those who pray (5 times a day…. hey hey hey).”

? Most Hadiths that Muslims follow are not verified in the Quran.
? In fact, the 5 pillars of Islam are not even in the Quran and that is what modern Muslims says is what defines a Muslim yes – but the 5 pillars are not in the Quran.
? The shahada isn't in the Quran anywhere,
? in fact, the Quran says not to put partners with God. So what is with this Ali Taleb?
? The Quran says to pray 3 times a day, not 5.
? The Quran says give charity what you can afford, there is no mention anywhere of 5%.
? The Quran makes mention of pilgrimage, but never says you will not reach heaven if you don't do it.
? Fasting is also mentioned in the Quran, it literally says to fast a few number of days in the month of Ramadan, A few number is used elsewhere in the Quran to mean a number between 3 and 10.

“Coo coo ca-choo, maggieporter,
Mohammed loves you more than you will know (wo wo wo)
God bless you, please, maggieporter,
Heaven holds a place for those who pray(5 times a day, hey hey hey)”

? It also says quite clearly in the Quran, that if fasting is difficult for you, you don't have to do it - no hardship in religion. The Quran also says many other things it clarifies as being very important……… but somehow they were left out of the 5 pillars.
? By the way, Muslim in the Quran is the name for people who are just converting to Islam and embracing it (modern Islam says it means submitter). If you truly follow the Quran (God's system) then you are a Mumin (believer) according to the Quran.

“We’d like to know a little bit about you for our files…”

Why don’t you quote your sources about Judgment Day from the Quran?

“We like to help you learn to help yourself….”

Why do you have to keep quoting or mentioning Ali abi Taleb when you have the Quran to quote and mention from… that you supposedly studied at great length – so you say?

“Look around you, all you see are sympathetic eyes…..”


? According to the Quran, Muslims are supposed to engage in dialogue with everyone - Yes.
? But they are never to insult other peoples’ religions lest they insult God in return (rough quote).
? Forcible converting people is out of the question because Islam is the word for peace (not submission )- as most Muslims would have you believe. When you greet someone in Arabic does it mean "submission be upon you" or "peace be upon you?" ……you know the answer…Islam is the way of peace / harmony.

“By all means feel free to study more of the Quran “”until you feel at home””


? The Quran says "there is to be no compulsion in religion, which further cancels any notion of forced conversion. You spread the word of God by good knowledge of the Quran used in respectful debate with others

It's all very well and good to learn from Muslim scholars and revere the the actual words of Mohammed for yourself! BUT it is wrong to come here and quote and preach from scholars of the hadiths and tell Muslims and Christians what a true Muslim is and how false Christianity is. This is where you get into trouble - YOU do not have the mind of God - no one does.

You MUST go back to your Quran and study in depth its teachings INTENSELY - most especially for yourself.

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Submitted by Rhiannon on Fri, 2007-06-22 20:02

Rhiannonmp"You forgot the parts of the Quran that state to fight fire with fire is expected. I won't however set you ablaze just yet."

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There's no fight here. You came on with arrogance and a very snotty behaviour. You even admitted at the end of your blog there would be trouble as if to admit that you were spoiling for a fight on this blog.

You even admitted how much you enjoyed all the attention. What ghastly and contemptful behaviour on your part.

I guess people with addictions go from one addiction to another. In your case this is obvious. I see how badly you seek attention.

You came on as a very rude poster, and you should be filled with shame that you even bother to bring up Islam and Jesus and Christianity the way you did - for what do you know after all --- that other people here do not know?

Everything you learned about Islam seems add up to zero by way of your speech. You are not sincere. You are arrogant, as you yourself have proudly admitted and most boastfully. How nauseating!

Glad your off drugs. Now get off your high horse.

"You shall not treat the people with arrogance, nor shall you roam the earth carefree. GOD does not like the arrogant showoffs." (31:18)

Rhiannon | Sun, 2007-06-24 01:05

and thanks for seeing that I wasn't responding to you.

Rhiannon | Sun, 2007-06-24 00:32

I apologize.

joe2 | Sat, 2007-06-23 23:41

You don't realize I am responding to MP.

NOT YOU.

As for flinging the word "zionist" about, I have to wonder what you are actually talking about.

I am a zionist?

Do you know what a zionist is Joe?

And have you even read one of my previous posts and blogs Joe?

You tell me what a zionist is Joe, okay?

Rhiannon | Sat, 2007-06-23 22:59

IM SORRY BUT IM NOT INSULTING ANYONE HERE, THESE ARE GODS WORDS. YOUR THE ONLY ONE HERE INSULTING PEOPLE AND ISLAM. YOU ZIONISTS ALL THINK ALIKE.....

joe2 | Sat, 2007-06-23 18:21

I would say for the most part that while your intentions may be somewhat okay [in a bland sort of manner] - basically your passive aggressive behavior is quite nauseous and you are turning people off.

You are not seeing the big picture. All you are doing is picking at minor details of religions and causing trouble between people.

You can "hmm" and "ho hum" all you want.

You are not clever. Just ordinary. You haven't made any clear or profound points. Not even hmm and ho hum points.

These arguments have been rehashed before and nothing gets solved.

So while you hmm and ho hum your way with your passive-aggressive behaviour - be warned - soon you will be ignored.

Rhiannon | Sat, 2007-06-23 15:11

It's all very well and good to learn from Muslim scholars and revere the the actual words of Mohammed for yourself! BUT it is wrong to come here and quote and preach from scholars of the hadiths and tell Muslims and Christians what a true Muslim is and how false Christianity is. This is where you get into trouble - YOU do not have the mind of God - no one does.

You MUST go back to your Quran and study in depth its teachings INTENSELY - most especially for yourself.

And as for the manner in which you are communicating to all:

"Invite to the path of your Lord with wisdom and kind enlightenment, and debate with them in the best possible manner. Your Lord knows best who has strayed from His path, and He knows best who are the guided ones." (16:125)

***But they are never to insult other peoples’ religions lest they insult God in return (rough quote).

***"You shall not treat the people with arrogance, nor shall you roam the earth carefree. GOD does not like the arrogant showoffs." (31:18)

***"And do not curse those who call on another than GOD, lest they blaspheme and curse GOD, out of ignorance. We have adorned the works of every group in their eyes. Ultimately, they return to their Lord, then He informs them of everything they had done." (6:108)

***"O you who believe, no people shall ridicule other people, for they may be better than they. Nor shall any women ridicule other women, for they may be better than they. Nor shall you mock one another, or call each other names. Evil indeed is the reversion to wickedness after attaining faith. Anyone who does not repent after this, these are the transgressors." (49:11)

Rhiannon | Sat, 2007-06-23 15:02

The conception of God in Islam is unique in its strict Unitarian aspect. The jurisdiction of God, is not restricted or limited to any section of humanity or to any part of the world. God according to Islam is the ‘Rabbul-Aalameen’ (i.e.,
The Lord of the Worlds or the Absolute Monarch of the whole Universe). Also the Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), the Last
Apostle of God was not to guide any particular tribe, community or
any part of the human race, but for mankind as a whole, and the
religion Islam was revealed to be current for all times until the Day
of Judgment. The Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had been sent as the ‘Rahmatunlil Aalameen’ (i.e., The Mercy unto the Worlds of the Universe).“And We have not sent you but as a mercy to the worlds.”Holy Quran (21:107)
The religion preached by the Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh),was the divinely perfected code of discipline for human life on earth, it was named Islam and was prescribed for the human race for all times till the end of the world."we have sent thee an apostle for mankind"4:19."We sent thee not but a mercy unto the worlds."21:107
“This day have I perfected your religion for you,completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion.” Holy Quran (5:3). No creed preached by any religion leader or apostle prior to the holy prophet,was ever given any name ,for it was incomplete and no imperfect thing ,is ever given any name. since the religion preached by the holy prophet, Even jesus(pbuh),the immediate predecessor of the Holy prophet Muhammed(pbuh),about his own self had said: "i am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of israel" math.15-22-26 also jesus(pbuh) said: "NEVERTHELESS I TELL YOU THE TRUTH,THAT IT IS EXPEDIENT FOR YOU THAT I GO AWAY,FOR IF I GO NOT AWAY,THE COMFORTER WILL NOT COME UNTO YOU BUT IF I DEPART I WILL SEND HIM UNTO YOU,AND WHEN HE IS COME HE WILL REPROVE THE WORLD OF SIN AND OF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND OF JUDGEMENT".JOHN 14:7,8 JESUS(PBUH)had Further declared: "BUT THE COMFORTER WHICH IS THE HOLY GHOST WHOM THE FATHER WILL SEND IN MY NAME,HE SHALL TEACH YOU ALL THINGS AND BRING ALL THINGS TO YOUR REMEMBRANCE WHATEVER I HAVE SAID UNTO YOU" JOHN 14:26. By the above declarations,jesus(pbuh) has made it perfectly clear that he that had to come after him was the holy ghost ,and the same statement of jesus(pbuh) also makes it clear that he had not said everything about the truth ,which duty according to him,had been assigned by the lord to the comforter who was the holy ghost.
Jesus(pbuh)had done his best when he said : "I HAVE YET MANY THINGS TO SAY UNTO YOU BUT YE CANNOT BEAR THEM NOW."
"HOWBEIT WHEN THE 'SPIRIT OF TRUTH' IS COME; HE WILL 'GUIDE YOU UNTO ALL TRUTH' FOR HE SHALL NOT SPEAK OF HIMSELF,BUT 'WHATEVER HE SHALL HEAR THAT SHALL HE SPEAK'AND WILL SHOW YOU THINGS TO COME." JOHN16:12&13.

joe2 | Sat, 2007-06-23 02:31

http://carmenisacat.blogspot.com/

I imagine that you forgot the part about being free from these shortcomings yourself before cautioning others regarding them (insulting others). It is pretty much required to do something yourself before telling someone else to do it (or not do it as the case is here).

Ho hum. You forgot the parts of the Quran that state to fight fire with fire is expected. I won't however set you ablaze just yet.

I will caution you however, the Quran doesn't say to not insult the religion of another person. It says not to insult their "Illah" or their "God". Now, I wouldn't do that knowingly but in the case of a statue, I was under the impression that most Christians are well aware that they are not supposed to pay homage to a statue (even though we demonstrated that some people do get very upset if you insult their statues).

My mistake.

By all means, respond to me in my blog because I most likely won't keep coming back to this nonsense.

maggieporter | Sat, 2007-06-23 01:29

its nothing like the talmud.

hell.. they like us just fine.
they arent impressed with our unwillingness to see the chosen ones as they are (instead of how we wish they were) however.

according to them, we are often their unknowing dupes.

geeez | Fri, 2007-06-22 22:29