don't do this to me.

don't turn this site into a personal shooting board.

I spent very hard earned money hosting this site - but, that's not the point.

It's my time - not the money - that's valuable. Please, please, please - DON'T WASTE IT!

As for the image - I've never seen it but as I understand it, its author(?) has deleted it. So, there should be no more worries on that end.

Aside from that - I think we all (Christian, Muslim, Jews, and even atheists, alike) have one thing in common on this board - we want to rid ourselves of an ideology that abhors human rights and principles of respect and equality among men.

Zionism - the ideology - is the enemy.

So, let's not bicker between ourselves.

okay???

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Hey, Geeez, whatever was said seems to me to have deeply offended Muhammad. Would it be such a burden upon your soul ( for the sake of his honor and your peace of mind ) to offer an apology? But please don't apologize if you're not sincere and don't see the need to. Thanks for the dance : )

LOL. What's the big deal about how somebody spelled his name ? ( I'm not making fun of you Muhammad...just trying to lighten the mood. ) Peace and long life, my friend.(s)

With respect, qrswave, you seem to be selective about what does and doesn't constitute a waste of time (which is what I assume "WOT" stands for). For example, this post seemed to be acceptable to you (that and the multitude of others like it), along with Masher1's (or did he typo "Masher!"?) post about Nine Inch Nails' new CD. Suzette's recent post of a personal nature was not allowed to grace the homepage of WUFYS, but Mr Rafeeq's blog got through just fine.

I'm certainly concerned about the quality of the posts going downhill here, but who cares what's said in the comment threads? They're only comments. Comments are by their very nature a matter of opinion, and there are as many opinions as there are people. Conflict is inevitable.

The subject matter being discussed here is a reflection of the people discussing it, and what they consider to be of interest, rightly or wrongly. To censor what people write isn't too far away from censoring and policing what they think, in my view. But of course, it's up to you. It's your gig.

You guys are waaaaaay outa my league. I'm gonna have to hire a Zionist to read through this stuff to keep up with who's who in the world of info/disinfo! LOL I wonder if Daryl or Eric could sue some extra $$$? LOL I'm out ouf this confusing go/no-go merry-go-round! I can't swim, I can't play poker, and I sure can't read minds. The only thing I have is the written word.... or do I? Peace.

Dear Crimes of Zion and Qrswave,

You guys still do not seem to appreciate the gravity of your situation.

My post is legitimate because I am demanding apologies for the offence caused to the entire Muslim community by material that was hosted on this site and was ONLY removed when I complained about it. I am also asking for personal apologies for being attacked whilst trying to complain about this evil.

The content was far worse than the filth made about the Holy Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him and his family, that was published in Denmark.

How can you possibly claim to support Muslims (and Christians) under attack in Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria etc etc and then engage in the slander of our beliefs. This is gross hypocrisy and we want full and unreserved apologies.

I have been trying to give the posters and blogmaster an opportunity to apologise and remove the material, before I would have to take the matter to the global Muslim-net. This may yet still have to happen.

Can we also have a public apology and condemnation of the filth from Qrswave too, since Daryl was forced to apologise for his private remark, whereas this was a public post under Qrswave's watch.

Also, Geeez, still no apology for me and still no condemnation of this filthy blasphemy. You are not really a Christian are you Geeez, please tell us what you really are.

Respectfully
Muhammad.

I think qrswave has been very generous

concerning this dbs-french connection-huffschmid vomit.

Letting people say what they like is not "generous", Ellendra. Qrswave's not stupid. She created this site as an open invitation for public comment and participation; that has now been curtailed.

EXTREMELY GENEROUS! She has let it go on long enough. There comes a time when things must end and this is one of them. So let it go, coz. Let it go.

I'm not emotional about "letting it go", Ellendra. I couldn't give a flying fuck.

All that crap served no purpose.

You're speaking for yourself on that one. Obviously it was never your interest area.

And yeah, this is qrswave's GIG.

I knew there'd be people getting their knickers in a knot when I addressed qrswave directly. And to those people, I say fuck off. I wasn't rude, I was respectfully expressing an opinion. There's no need to get defensive. If qrswave doesn't like me or what I have to say, she can kick me off her site. I get the distinct feeling you're just here to kiss arse, Ellendra.

That in itself is the reason why I'm here!

Muhammad, for the record, I thought your posts in the comment thread the other day were very intelligent, dignified, reasonable, respectful, polite and justified. I considered coming to your defense when Duped butted in with something characteristically idiotic, but opted not to comment either way. But as far as apologies go, the only thing I'm sorry about is that I'm not going to give you one. I simply don't know what it is I'd be apologising about.

Qrswave is not responsible for the posts of the members here, Muhammad, and she's certainly never posted anything offensive here herself, at least not that I've seen. The only people that would take offense at her posts are Zionists. If you listen to Daryl's last broadcast, I think you'll find that it's qrswave who is owed an apology.

I believe that this image existed and that it was as vile as you allege it was.

However, I don't know exactly what you would be referring to the "global Muslim-net" whatever that is because

#(1) The case is closed - IT'S GONE! and

#(2) I never saw the damn thing - so, how could it have happened under "my watch"!

I have nothing to apologize for!

I don't post this crap and I AM NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR ANY OPINIONS ASSERTIONS OR IMAGES THAT ARE WRITTEN OR POSTED AT THIS SITE BY ANYONE OTHER THAN MY SELF.

Besides, I don't answer to them - I answer to my conscience and I answer to God.

FOR THE RECORD:

I have a life.

I did not relinquish it to "monitor" this site.

I'm only human and the DBS crap went above and beyond my humble capacity to tolerate bullshit.

However, I have not censored anything.

All I do with these WOT posts (very perceptive CoZ - it does means Waste of Time) is relegate them to the sidebar where they belong and disable their comments section so they're not encumbered with a ton of baggage.

If I forget one here or there, just let me know and I'll put it where it belongs.

End of discussion - at least on my part. And I hope in general.

I try not to take things personally and I hope that others at this site do too.

No harm, no foul.

CoZ, your comments to Ellendra were unfair and rude. but, I'll leave her to respond.

For someone who insists others don't take things personally, you're a bit touchy when you're criticized.

But, then again, we all are sometimes.

Relax, everyone.

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Hi there Crimes of Zion,

From yourself, I was only looking for a public condemnation of the image, in recognition of the offence that it has caused - simply a show of solidarity. If you do not wish to do so fine, it is a request not a command.

To contextualise, had you written about something which had genuinely offended you and/or your sensibilities I would be swift to your side in support, as a show of respect, even though the matter may not offend me personally.

As for Qrswave, an apology is required. Removal of the image is recognition and acknowledgement of the fact that it is extremely offensive to the people that Qrswave claims to be supporting. Even if the apology is just for letting it slip through the net. Obviously a condemnation by Qrswave is also fully in order.

We all must recognise that there are limits and boundaries of respect that we must all observe to remain united against the zionists. For instance, my insulting or denigrating atheism or atheists would not help us at all and it would be highly disrespectful on my part.

Finally, I would say that your posts seem to be better consider and more objective than most.

Respectfully,
Muhammad.

You will not get an apology out of me.

I AM UNEQUIVOCALLY NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT'S POSTED AT THIS SITE.

Do I condemn any and all kinds of blasphemy against God and His messengers?

ABSOLUTELY - NOW AND ALWAYS.

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Yes. I was offended.
Im offended every day.
However, when engaged in the illumination of a couple of dangeorous con-men, my offense only serves to cloud the issue.

Im interested in focus, and results.

Now, those friends of yours (TFC) have been saved yet again by a webmaster. Thats how it goes, and I am outta here.

It is strange to me how people can see them caught red handed, get unfairly maligned by them in print and audio, and still be falling all over themselves to explain it away, or taking measures which protect them.

The comments have been buried, the threads closed. All is off the front page now. They're free to con a few score more.

Im not sure why you are so offended. Im not trying to be a jerk to you, Im just not sure. I do feel that perhaps you came in to a thread which you hadnt watched closely enough beforehand. Or perhaps you dont realize that my comments were not disparaging of Bollyn (other may have been).

I apologize if I offended you. Perhaps its a cultural issue I am ignorant of.

I will let you know this. I do most certainly believe TFC to be the enemy in disguise. And I am of the sort to confront things rather than just watch them.

I have a Quran, I have a Talmud, and I have a bible. I know you arent my enemy. I know the lies they say you say which you do not. And I know the hospitality you have for us which does not exist elsewhere.

But when I see the enemy, I go after the enemy.
Im sorry if I offended you.
Truly,
Geeez.

Hi there Qrswave,

Thank you for asking that question, it is important. The answer is - we Muslims have a network of independent but co-ordinated email lists, through which matters of importance to the community can be highlighted to millions of Muslims within a short period.

It was this network that circulated the original Abu Ghraib pictures one week before the mainstream media published them. We forced the US military to go public with the story because we had hundreds of millions of images circulating underground. They were originally downloaded to the UK from Iraq directly and sent out as attachments. In 10 standations (levels of circulation) we hit more than 1 million recipients, and in less than 24 hours.

The Denmark issue was raised through this activist network too.

Respectfully,
Muhammad.

Hi Qrswave,

Thank you for your condemnation of the filth that appeared at this site. We are fully aware that you did not post it, but you did have the power to remove it and we a grateful for you so doing.

I would put it to you that whoever did post this filth is 100% a talmudic observant jew, to whom zionism is almost a belief system. Atheists rarely ever stoop to denigrating believers in this way, even if they do occasionally enjoy a joke at their expense (Pope, bishop, nun jokes etc).

Had this type of mateial been left unchecked (sadly by me) the entire credibility of what you are doing would have been undermined.

It is gratifying that you have behaved far better than many of your posters.

Respectfully,
Muhammad.

that she leaves homo-insult graphics..yet protects the two idiots who call her site 'zionist' in both print and audio. (several times.. and still to this day)..and THEN get caught being the liars we said they were.

But- they get shielded.

I see where you are coming from Muhummed.

most of those proudly call themsevels zionists.

i got after the ones who pretend to be anti-zionist.
theyre more dangerous in my opinion.

Hi Geeez,

Thanks your for your apology, I was genuinely offended by certain claims made when I first posted on the site.

Also, I am very careful where I 'appear' because of the concept of guilt by association. The evil portrayal of Jesus made me very concerned about what sort of people were at the site, but I gave the benefit of the doubt and posted anyway.

You should be aware that when I told my Muslim colleagues about the image and its nature on this site they have all exploded in anger and demanded to know where it was. I chose the quietist approach, refused to tell them where and just tried to get it removed.

You are free to criticise my work and efforts at any time and I always welcome input and insight, however you are not free to criticise my beliefs or person at anytime, as I am not free to criticise anyone else for the same.

Respectfully,
Muahmmad.

Hi there Ellendra,

Do you really hear the voice of the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him and his family, from the grave? I seriously doubt it so please do not attempt to give the world any more 'messages' from him, peace be upon him and his family.

I do not understand what it is that I have done to cause such scathing statements from you, but should you be kind enough to elaborate I will give your words due consideration.

Respectfully,
Muhammad.

Come on, friend. Why not just let it rest?

I didn't bury any comments. The ones already posted are there for anyone to see.

I'm just not allowing new ones to emerge on the same pages as their WOT subject matter posts.

I don't care what DBS says about my site. It's not for profit - no ads, no donors, no worries.

People who read my blog know what it and I am about.

Let DBS wave his finger all he wants - he only harms his own reputation by making wild, unsubstantiated assertions.

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From Ellendra:

If qrswave is not stupid then YOU need to stop talking to her like she is.

I don't talk to qrswave in a condescending, patronising way at all, because I don't think she's stupid, as I've already mentioned. I happen to have a great deal of respect for her, actually. You seem to be the one that thinks she's stupid, Ellendra. Your posts would suggest that you think she's a stupid, defenseless little idiot that needs a halfwit like you to do her talking for her. I give her my honest opinions, because I know she can handle it. You don't seem to share my belief. You just kiss her arse.

That's right little boy, I am here to kick [you typo'd "kiss"] ass, for sure. But not your belligerent wee one. You're just a smudgeling with rude retort.

I might be profane, but at least I blend profanity with intelligence. You're a fucking nonce.

Do you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, coz?

No.

Why are YOU not saying anything about the filthy pictures of Jesus Christ? Why don't you have anything to say about the horribe picture about YOUR Saviour?

I don't need a "saviour", Ellendra. I believe in an unfathomably intelligent universe, an infinite reality and a boundless love, but I haven't bought the product you were sold. I prefer to think.

Why don't you have something to say about the ghastly picture of Jesus?

It wasn't until geeez said this that I knew what all the drama was about:

the JFC graphic

Yes. I was offended.

If this is the graphic Muhammad is referring to, it was an image I posted on a friend's myspace page which Michael posted here in an effort to embarrass me or portray me as a pervert. In fact, why he posted it here isn't exactly clear. I'm not going to reference it or link to it for obvious reasons, but I'll say this: I posted that image on someone's private myspace profile because I knew that it wouldn't cause offence. On the contrary, it was well received, as it was intended to be received; as a joke, something to bring a smile to a friend's face. Now, I didn't bring that image here, but I'll apologise to Mohammad for the offence that it's caused him and his friends, being that I was the source of it. I didn't create it, it was something that I found on myspace, but I'm happy to apologise for being a link in the chain.

But your assertion, Muhammad, that

whoever did post this filth is 100% a talmudic observant jew, to whom zionism is almost a belief system.

couldn't be further from the truth. The last 18 months of my life has been almost entirely dedicated to fighting Zionism tooth and nail, thank you very fucking much. I abhor the philosophy of Zionism and the racist, terrorist state of Israel, and it's reflected in everything I say and do.

What is a blasphemy to you is a joke to me, it's as simple as that. And I mean no disrespect at all in saying so.

So if that's the image you're referring to, Muhammad, you have my sincerest apologies. But if it's not, I can't help you, and whatever other images may have been posted here, I had nothing to do with.

do you hear me Muhammed? And your name is fast becoming an embarrassment to the prophet HIMSELF! Do you get what I am saying? You are OVERDOING IT!

Now I highly suspect what your intentions are about here at WUFYS, my little "muslim" clown. Quit while you're ahead.

Why are you so opposed to people saying things, Ellendra? And who the fuck are you to proclaim what is and isn't an embarrassment to the prophet of Islam? Look at this comment thread again, Ellendra. Who is the belligerent one? Who is "overdoing it"? Who's mouthing off like a twat in caps?

Muhammad has been respectful to the people he addresses here, and this happens to be a free speech zone, girly. Go sign up as a police cadet if you wanna be a Nazi.

"Muhammad has been respectful to the people he addresses here, and this happens to be a free speech zone, girly."

Bugger off, space cadet, I'm the resident "misogynist" here in PC Land and No More Daryl Slumber.

Besides, your girlfriend wouldn't be happy with your attitude. She thinks that people who speak like this are social neanderthals. I'm sure you'll get a pass for "favors." You unlucky bastard.

Rafeek is a fraud IMO. He speaks like disinfo. Part of your team?

Can't you make your points without resorting to name-calling and profanity (pretty offensive ones, at that)?

At least, do it out of respect for the fact that practically everyone who visits this blog regularly is a tried and true anti-zionist, even if we don't all agree on everything and have our little quirks.

(I say practically because I'm almost certain that some silent zionists routinely monitor us).

Some basic civility and respect goes a long way.

I will admit that Ellendra might have been a bit abrasive with you - but, she acted in my defense, and I thank her for her sincerity and her loyalty. Although I am capable of defending myself, it's nice to know that my readers support me.

Nevertheless, what she said to you wasn't half as bad as your retort to her. So, back off, please.

That doesn't mean that I don't value your contributions - I do. And I respect and admire your efforts as a fellow anti-zionist.

I just notice that you have a tendency to fling nasty epithets around pretty casually. It's fairly offensive.

Who needs to hear that crap?

I know I don't.

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What's the matter with you???

Why are you accusing Muhammad of being a disinfo agent?

He wasn't too unreasonable (though a bit insistent at times).

Why refer to others at the site derogatorily as "girlfriend"?

What's your problem?

I'll admit the No More Daryl Slumber is witty - maybe even catchy. But, I give you a "C" for courtesy.

Stop stirring trouble where it's neither wanted nor needed.

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Can't you make your points without resorting to name-calling and profanity (pretty offensive ones, at that)?

You mean like calling Muhammad an embarrassment to the prophet, qrswave, and referring to him as her "little "muslim" clown"? Ellendra also called me a "little boy" whose "ass" she's here to kick, before calling me "just a smudgeling with rude retort". I think calling her a "twat" and a "fucking nonce" is not only a proportionate response, but pretty accurate. If she hadn't have weighed in on a conversation I was trying to start with you, I wouldn't have addressed her at all.

What is "wrong" with me is that I'm honest, qrswave. I talk the way I speak and I write what I think, which seems to be becoming more and more of a problem here. Ellenda's arse-kissing seems to have bought her a pass with you. You like to indulge in a bit of profanity yourself by the way Q, even in the title of your comments, as per the "what bullshit" heading of your comment response to the DBS broadcast.

I can only be myself, qrswave, so that's the way it's gonna be, until you decide that my contribution to this site isn't worth the horrible and intolerable blasphemies I'm subjecting you all to.

"duped - why turn it into a crap fest?"

"But, I give you a "C" for courtesy."

You gotta be kidding. See Crime's, Fester's, and Nina's responses to me and others for "courtesy." Crimes even admitted that he loves to sling the shit. What are you talking about? Name calling extraordinaire.

The whole Daryl thing was one big crap fest, but you never nipped that in the bud. Which I agree with, because it's necessary for the appearance of "free speech." I actually defended this site, but no points there either.

"What's the matter with you???"

C'mon, you can do better.

"Why are you accusing Muhammad of being a disinfo agent?"

I guess I can't have an opinion here. Look, if you're reading the blogs, you would know my reasons. He's contradicting himself. He sounds very tolerant and rational on the radio shows and then comes here demanding apologies for something that deeply offended him and happened a long time ago, in which he never raised his voice.

He conveniently shows up after the whole thing is over and after Daryl "slandered" this site and told supporters to avoid it, dredging up the same old tired issues. But somehow that's okay, even though you yourself claim to be sick of it. He starts acting like a bit of a stereotype of a Muslim extremist, injured pride and all.

"He wasn't too unreasonable (though a bit insistent at times)."

What if I don't believe it was him? Should I just shut up? Is that the "free speech," you pride yourself on?

Am I being too unreasonable? Please tell me your standards. Better yet, apply them evenly.

"Why refer to others at the site derogatorily as "girlfriend"?"

You got nerve saying that. Guess what, it may not be derogatory at all. It might actually have truth in it. Especially since they have a habit of posting together. Paying attention? But you didn't seem to mind Crimes calling someone defending you, "girly." How very.

"What's your problem?"

What's yours? Double Standards?

"I'll admit the No More Daryl Slumber is witty - maybe even catchy."

No More Daryl Slumber is stupid. That's why I used it. I think you have a problem with sarcasm, more than you have a problem with me.

"Stop stirring trouble where it's neither wanted nor needed."

Trouble with one post? I rarely even post here. You are weird. Trouble with asking questions in the name of "free speech?" Ha! Yes, maybe this whole thing was staged and I'm the odd man out.

NO Possum. IT ABSOLUTELY IS NOT.

QRS states that she is "tired of DBS".
But if thats what is generating comments, why not so be it?

Why the need to stop everything? just when they're getting absolutely clobbered too.

NO. THIS PLACE IS CENSORED HEAVILY.
You-know-who laughs about his 'intimidating rivals and critics into silence'. I think I quoted that correctly.

"The Truth will set you free"
yeah.. well,
whatever.

NO - WUFYS is not an example of a free speech site.

Not at all.

"Nevertheless, what she said to you wasn't half as bad as your retort to her. So, back off, please."

"I just notice that you have a tendency to fling nasty epithets around pretty casually. It's fairly offensive."

I apologize about accusing you of double standards, I missed this. My other comments stand.

But I am wondering why the new standards? Trying to make people behave civilly when discussing something as ugly as Zionism is a bit like wanting to make sausages without dealing with dead animals.

I'm confused. You have to have pretty thick skin for this kind of stuff and it wouldn't seem for the feint of heart.

I can honestly say that you have been very fair in allowing the Daryl thing to happen. But, if it's over, it should be over. Even though I don't want it to be, and I don't know how you can practically do it. Engaging Rafiq and saying it's over is not a clear stance on the issue.

I haven't been that offended by others comments, since it's par for the course. Your call.

She has a double standard.
Rafeeq is a sortof DBS spokesman, gets to continue this thread.

But she cant have any more posts about the lying-american duo who call this place 'zionist'.

very strange.

she must be a smithraeli
thats all i can figure.

Hi Mr Rafeeq

Muhammad said:

“The evil portrayal of Jesus made me very concerned about what sort of people were at the site, but I gave the benefit of the doubt and posted anyway.’

With respect Muhammad, are you suggesting that you didn’t examine the context in which the image was presented? Because had you done so your concern would have been a little more than what you claim and rather than be offended you would be encouraged to discover that it was posted several times at different sites by the person you say:

“Finally, I would say that your posts seem to be better consider and more objective than most.”

I fully understand that many people, even perhaps yourself, do not have the time in which to spend examining what is being posted/published on the internet and by who. I, for one, made the time for this very purpose as a result of discovering that many people claiming to be one thing at one place are in fact quite the opposite, usually under a different identity or profile, in another.

One such example is the very person who, according to your observations, makes posts that are “better consider and more objective than most.” an opinion that may also be shared by the person who links to him at his website; namely Mark Glenn of the American Free Press:

http://www.crescentandcross.com/

What is hypocritical about Mark Glenn linking to Crimes of Zion is the fact that he was quick to condemn Daryl Bradford Smith in his article “Wolves in sheep’s clothing” which can be viewed here:

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/1899

In his article Mark Glenn condemns Daryl Bradford Smith for the emails he sent to a former supporter of his, a traditional Catholic by the name of Suzette, by comparing Daryl’s cruel and harsh anti-Christian words with the written sentiment that is found within the pages of the Talmud. The fact that this was another example of how Daryl Bradford Smith treats and/or responds to his supporters/promoters evidently evaded the logical thinking of Glenn who, playing into the hands of Smith, turned the whole issue into one of religion which is exactly the excuse Smith used in which to limit the damage that had been done once the emails had become public knowledge. Should it not alarm us therefore that Glenn actually links to a person who not only posted that image originally but in his own words finds it “quite funny”?

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/1998?page=3#comment-9715

Not to mention this:

Then he excuses himself by “being a link in the chain” after saying “Michael posted here in an effort to embarrass me or portray me as a pervert.” Crimes of Zion a.k.a Infensis Mentis knew very well the reason and context in which the image was presented.

I notice too that Daryl, contrary to what you stated in an earlier comment Muhammad, has never apologised to Suzette personally for his actions, but rather only to his “listening audience”.

What is more interesting is the fact that Suzette herself has chosen to remain silent by not responding to your comment in which you make reference to both the image in question and the one that Eric created representing her either within her own blog or here.

Overall it seems the that ‘issue’ of the image is being met with the same treatment that allowed Daryl Bradford Smith to control the damage with regard to his email ‘issue’:

“I would put it to you that whoever did post this filth is 100% a talmudic observant jew, to whom zionism is almost a belief system.”

If the image offended you personally Muhammad then I apologise in full and ask your forgiveness and likewise anybody else who was offended. Having said that I find the images of dead, wounded and disowned Palestinian men, women and children immeasurably more offensive, not to mention the wholesale destruction of Iraq and find it difficult to accept that Jesus himself would find the image offensive. In fact the very notion that Jesus would be so emotionally imbalanced as to be offended by an image is offensive in my opinion. I also find the hypocrisy of Mark Glenn condemning Daryl Bradford Smith on the one hand whilst linking to Crimes of Zion on the other deeply offensive for other obvious reasons; religion being the least.

The image was not displayed to offend anyone’s religious, or otherwise, sensibilities, even though this may have been the intention of the original poster of it even though he claims it was a joke, but rather to highlight and bring to attention the fact that the person who did post this image at the first place was none other than someone claiming to have “been almost entirely dedicated to fighting Zionism tooth and nail” for the last 18 months. In fact a large part of the blog/comment thread “Daryl Bradford Smith is mad as hell”, in which the image was presented, was largely about the issue of certain people masquerading as ‘truth tellers’ and ‘anti-Zionist’ and is a thread I highly recommend people to study in order to gain an insight as to how these people operate and are operating:

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/1998

It is interesting to note that there are many people who both contribute and visit this site including Christians and Muslims and never, until you raised the ‘issue’, has anyone been offended by the image and certainly not to such an extent as to threaten to call upon millions of people worldwide to take some form of action. It was only a week or so ago that this sites bandwidth had been exceeded so as to render it ‘off air’ for a while so the idea of thousands, if not millions, around the world visiting this site for questionable reasons and motive would surely damn near destroy it resulting in the loss of a valuable resource to the many genuine ‘anti-Zionists’ and researchers out there. Surely such action, had it been taken without first examining the facts surrounding the image, would have caused tremendous damage to this site which would have resulted in many people justifiability concluding that your motives may have been more malevolent than sincere.

For a little clarification surrounding this issue and related matters there is a link below. I MUST STRESS THAT THE PAGE VIA THE LINK CONTAINS THE IMAGE IN QUESTION AND IF ONE IS EASILY OFFENDED PLEASE DON"T GO HERE:

http://planetquo.net/The_French_Deception/Screen_Captures/Whippette/Tom_...

Respectfully and in peace.

If the image offended you personally Muhammad then I apologise in full and ask your forgiveness and likewise anybody else who was offended. Having said that I find the images of dead, wounded and disowned Palestinian men, women and children immeasurably more offensive, not to mention the wholesale destruction of Iraq and find it difficult to accept that Jesus himself would find the image offensive. In fact the very notion that Jesus would be so emotionally imbalanced as to be offended by an image is offensive in my opinion.

Michael, if this is your opinion of the image, why did you bring it to this site as "evidence" of my malevolent nature and flawed character? And if on the other hand you do find it offensive, why did you take it off the private myspace profile of an atheist friend of mine and bring it onto a site frequented by religiously sensitive Christians and Muslims?

Geeez said:
"she must be a smithraeli
thats all i can figure."

That's unfair. I think we’re all a little tired of this subject. Everybody was able to get their licks in. But when the end is declared, it should be over, period. It could be an oversight. Rafiq is an interesting twist to the subject. Albeit a dead subject, if it's just going to be more cat fights.

I like this place and would hate to see Daryl sink another forum, like he did with Nolojobs. Quo helped with that and they deserved it, as far as I'm concerned. This place is more respectable. You can actually make comments here, without ten shills posting nonsense after you.

I can see what Daryl will be saying in a few months, "I found this new forum, it looks promising, go there and fight for me... and destroy it!" What a #$%&*!

nola pulled his punches.
he gave in and pulled and moved posts.
same scenario as here. and qrs is doing same thing.

nola also sent email peace proposals.

once tfc saw that nola didnt want to fite, they escalated.

BTW - they admitted privately that nola wasnt a zionist site.
didnt matter.
tfc kept going anyway.

THATS what happened there, in addition to the fact that eric's helper Skunk was a resident of the board and had admin privs.

the whole time while TFC was publicly maligning them too.

TFC is a fraud. They cannot come here and argue the issues, so they smear the whole place.

They know they will be nailed if they show up here. And they know everyone will see it happen.

"nola pulled his punches.
he gave in and pulled and moved posts."

The main thing there was the Ed Haas thread, rather than any direct assault on Daryl. If there was a fight about Daryl & Co., from what I remember, most people were kicking them around. Not many supporters. So I don't understand what you mean.

What I noticed about the whole Ed Haas fight, was the strange timing of people flying in and out of nowhere. They made strange shill type comments which didn't make any sense to me. The Admins there were clearly taking sides against Quo for some reason. He and Fugazi were practically alone. It was weird.

Were Fugazi & Quo set up by Daryl to go there and get discredited and they retalited with this latest expose? Doesn't really matter, since Daryl & Cos gig has been finished and fading since late last year. You can't have a show without callers or guests. Seems like they missed something.

"same scenario as here. and qrs is doing same thing."

I don't see that here. I think the Daryl thing played out in a natural way here and she didn't take sides. I'm sticking to my endorsement.

"nola also sent email peace proposals."

Proof? Can't say I care, so don't bother.

"once tfc saw that nola didnt want to fite, they escalated."

Fight with whom? The fight was about Quo's post about the bogus Alex Jones story and the strange behavior of people trying to discredit Quo. Then it just degenerated into a personal quarrel sort of thing, which was actually quite interesting and better than the original Alex Jones controversy, because that story was discredited very quickly.

I think that's was how TFC got the idea that NOLA was Zionist. From this main fight, and the minor insults and questions on other threads.

The other putting down of Daryl & Co. was rather small time and didn't produce a lot of evidence against them, unlike here. But they can't tolerate questions, let alone dissent.

"BTW - they admitted privately that nola wasnt a zionist site.
didnt matter.
tfc kept going anyway."

I'll take your word for it. Seems like that's what they are doing with Bollyn as well. But some proof would be more credible.

"THATS what happened there, in addition to the fact that eric's helper Skunk was a resident of the board and had admin privs."

Whatever. The problems were there before they started moving posts, as far as I'm concerned.

Funny, you mention Skunk, because Judicial is linking to an article here:
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/2557

Is this a first? Did Skunk admit to being judicial? Don't think it really matters.

"the whole time while TFC was publicly maligning them too."

"TFC is a fraud. They cannot come here and argue the issues, so they smear the whole place."

No shit Sherlock.(I'm just having fun with you, don't take it personally. I like sarcasm, which is sometimes lost on people).

"They know they will be nailed if they show up here. And they know everyone will see it happen."

So you claim that the same thing is going on here, but that TFC can't do damage here? You lost me. Without someone else's research, I don't think that TFC can expose their belly buttons.

According to some, they already have shown up. Who knows?

On Hounds on fast! Seek thy rabbit for thoust who chain thee ARE HUNGRY!

And the fog widens. The damage will spread with this new attack from the fresh crue o goons. It does not have to be.

First you take D.C. Then you take New York.

The last thing I can be accused of is double standards.

I'm indecisive, sometimes, but never a hypocrite.

This post was supposed to be about an offensive image. I didn't realize that Muhammad was affiliated with DBS and that this post would serve as a magnet for DBS comments.

Never fret, however, that's easily remedied.

Comments are now closed.

And I don't consider closing them to be censorship.

Posts and comments are not removed.

Ending it is an exercise in MODERATION.

Specifically, making sure that you guys (both pro and anti DBS) don't keep beating a dead horse like you've done in the past - flooding the host's CPU with useless personal attacks, because by now everyone has made their case crystal clear either for or against DBS.

And geeez, about me being a "smithraeli" - lol, that's very funny!

I visited TFC once or twice since I started blogging two years ago - I found it informative but very confusing. Haven't found the time since then.

I am neither a Smith groupie nor a Smith hater. I am a disinterested bystander.

IMHO, Smith is simply an anti-zionist with an overactive ego. I don't care too much as long as he's an anti-zionist.

And I couldn't care less, one way or another, whether people love him or hate him.

But, this constant bickering over whether he's good or evil does more damage to the cause than anything DBS could ever do.

And it is a matter of life and death.

To me, DBS is the equivalent of a mainstream media newstory that just won't go away, no matter how many horrific disasters erupt around the globe.

Like Lacie and Scott Peterson, or Anna Nicole Smith, DBS is the internet's ultimate distraction consuming anti-zionist time and energy when it's better used fighting zionism.

Well, this is where it ends.

Not here.

Not anymore.

If any other comments need closing - you know my email.

Until then, try to be civil everyone.

toodeloo!

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