Careful observation of the conduct of zionist controlled disinformation websites shows the same modus operandi. They put out links to, or host, material that has already exists elsewhere on the net, to give themselves the appearance of credibility.
Then they start their own commentary on the material they post, and then slowly start to undermine some of the information therein. Often they will ignore important issues entirely so they do not get viewed at all on their own site. These people like to build up a big following under the guise of ‘rebellion against the machine’. They may also publish 'easy to understand' guides to zionism for people 'new to the subject'.
Then, once they have enough people hooked, they switch their message.
Birdman Bryant is a classic case in point. He initially started out by stating the zionists were the real enemy. Then one day he had an “epiphany”. He suddenly saw “the light”. He had suddenly “woken up from his slumber”. He suddenly realised that Islaam and Muslims were truly the enemy of the west and that their ideology and belief system should be fought against. In this brave and clarifying new light he came to the conclusion that ‘Dubya’ was in fact RIGHT to undertake his crusade into the Middle East and that actually the Israeli state was ‘our’ ally in this struggle.
From the above history, it is plain to see that this man is, and always was, a paid agent, and the ultimate outcome of his journey 'up the garden path' had been planned all along. There is no way that he could have ever been sincere to his original published views. His plan, or the plan of his handlers, was only to try and steal or influence the ‘floating voter’ surfing the net; to manipulate the less well informed and the easily swayed.
What these sites never do is publish original research on zionists or zionism. They never try to strike at the root of zionism; their links and/or articles are all about the famous people and subjects, not about the hidden masters at the soul of zionism. They never try to offer new links between sets of information, to help people ‘join the dots’.
Also, when the zionists can’t undermine the message that a particular person or group is saying, they always try to discredit the messenger. If they cannot discredit the messenger, then they will resort to violence against and even to murder of the messengers.
All in all, their modus operandi, both before the net and on the net is almost the same.
In support of the above analysis I shall post some further articles. The first is a small look at the power of the soul behind political zionism in the Jewish community, the Lubavitch. The living Lubavitch Messiah is almost a ‘God’ to these people and discussion of this personality is almost completely forbidden in the media. Information on this man is rarer than red mercury.
As you will see I was a first-hand witness to the event and there are hundreds of Muslims who were also present who would be happy to testify to the truth of the story. Hopefully it will remove any further casting of suspicions about my sincerity, since actions always speak louder than words.
Respectfully,
Muhammad.

Although not researched per se, if I may add one more thing. If you look carefully you can see a subtle but awkward disproportionate relationship between the apparent number of people active in the website and the amount of efforts required to produce their products. For example Wing TV appeared to have only two people running their programs. But the number of DVDs, books, interviews, etc. they offer seemed to take far more than two people and a few years to produce them. (not considering the obvious lack of scholarly competence of the two.)
Amy Goodman's Democracy Now, or Michael Moore's documentary projects are similar examples. They simply cannot do what they do without having access to the already established and institutionalized media outlets and networks that genuine journalists just are not allowed to use.
And there is oops moments that let the cat out of the bag. Birdman Bryant's open letter to Ahmadinejad and Link-tv's half an hour documentary about Sweden's Anna Lindh assassination were their oops moments for me.
Hi there Katz,
Thank you for your analysis and observations. I agree with your points fully. These are more subtle clues, but clues none the less, to what is really going on behind the frontpage.
Respectfully,
Muhammad.
Shills are easy to spot.
You will know them by their fruits.
"I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"...Voltaire
"For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.
A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh."
..Jesus The Christ.
oh, that stinks.
can you show us some links to the offending material please?
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Hi there Qrswave,
I am not sure if the link can still be found at his site, but fortunate some anti-Islaam sites stored the offending weekly newsletter.
As you will see, this is a blatant confession on his part, not an insinuation on mine.
http://forums.prolife.org.ph/yabbse/index.php/topic,1107.0.html
Respectfully,
Muhammad.
and you condemn the entire work of a man? If that's Muslim thinking, then maybe Birdman has a point.
Here in the West, we practice tolerance and plurality. Or at least we try. Besides, I think you misunderstand what he is saying, but I am not going to dissect the article, because it's a waste of time.
Stop playing this game of "trying to find the shill" and do something productive.
Birdman has not really pushed this viewpoint lately, so I think it's rather a red herring. And unlike some people we know, Birdman can make a defense of his position as he publishes correspondence with people that disagree with him.
Give it up.
This is not just "one article."
This is definitely enough to form an opinion of his character.
I'm posting it here for others to read carefully and judge for themselves.
Clearly, the man is a psychotic supremacist who either knows nothing about Islam or is a zionist, who knows all about it and wants to destroy it, if not by spreading lies than by killing all its adherants.
Deranged and deluded fool.
You can't destroy knowledge.
Psycho.
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This is not just "one article."
Yes it is. Show me another one or anything on his website that promotes this viewpoint.
"This is definitely enough to form an opinion of his character."
You must be right.
"Clearly, the man is a psychotic supremacist who either knows nothing about Islam or is a zionist, who knows all about it and wants to destroy it, if not by spreading lies than by killing all its adherants."
Oh geez, thanks for the overemotional, foaming at the mouth, condemnation. Are you even familiar with his work?
"Deranged and deluded fool."
Impressive. You should write for the National Enquirer.
"Speak for yourself, you finger pointing hypocrite, you and a few others here have been on the attack for many hundreds of posts, to the extent that most of us are fed up with your bullsh*t conjecture."
Hi DBS/Eric. Then ignore me, idiot.
Right back at you, schmuck. BTW, that's a dead subject, so stop trying to bring it back. You certainly don't seem tired of it.
He's linked to a couple of my posts in the past.
When I said it's not just "one post" I meant it figuratively.
Its content is very weighty and says volumes about his character.
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"overemotional, frothing at the mouth condemnation . . . "
Isn't that a bit of an overstatement?
How do you expect me to react, as a Muslim, to a man who advocates "wiping Muslims off the face of the earth?"
Perhaps, I should ask him what he means by that before I jump to conclusions, being the "primitive, backwards, Neanderthal" that I am.
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‘How do you expect me to react, as a Muslim, to a man who advocates "wiping Muslims off the face of the earth?"’
Maybe he was prompting you. Ridiculous statements are calculated to get a rise. Don’t fall for it.
I am familiar with Birdman's work and have never seen anything like this on his website. Maybe I'm not paying attention. He mostly just links to other article.
I don't trust the source, because it is reprinted in a forum and is not linked to his website. I’m not going to go looking for it on his website either, because I really don’t care whether it’s true or not.
By these ridiculous standards, everyone is going to turn out to be one of them. I’m getting tired of it. People should start using their own brain and just pick and choose the information that they find helpful.
We’re not picking a significant other, we're looking for info that might be useful. The thing I like about Birdman’s site is that he links to a lot more than just Zionism, politics, etc.
The one thing that this whole fight with you know who has taught me is that I’m really tired of discussing who’s a shill and who’s not. It’s useful, only to a point, and then you have to move on. People are more interested in talking about who’s for real than Zionism, which is what they probably want. Everybody should just go with information that they are comfortable with and use their own filter instead of some “shill alert” that sinks all the info one has, because of a few questionable morsels.
I respect Birdman because he has a lot of crazy ideas. This article, if genuine, is definitely not the most shocking. But at least he has the temerity to make his case, somewhat intelligently. In my book, you get a lot of points for that.
If you want to think this man is the devil incarnate for some stupid ideas of his, go right ahead. I just don't think that's the way to go.
Hi there Qrswave,
You are completely correct in that this article was not a one off post. It was also a mailshot to his entire mailing list and this particular 'newsletter' was then taken up by Islaamic hate sites around the world.
Maybe he has stopped pushing his venom openly, but he has NEVER retracted anything that he has said and has NEVER apologised for what he said. Let's face what he says - that the war in Iraq is justified on the basis that it kills Muslims. Even if Bush himself believed that, he would never have publicly voiced it.
The Muslims who tried to take him to task at the time this came to their attention were all ignored by him.
He is now waiting to snare his next lot of innocent victims. For this reason he never allows back access to his letters or opinion pages. It is just his hard luck that rightwing neo-nazis enjoyed the stuff he put out and were delighted at that particular piece and so saved it for posterity.
He also put links in the piece to all the supporting material that so inspired him (which he has also now removed) advocating his followers to "read and understand".
Thank you for your objectivity.
Respectfully,
Muhammad.
"He is now waiting to snare his next lot of innocent victims."
He's lurking in the bushes. Watch Out!
"It is just his hard luck that rightwing neo-nazis enjoyed the stuff he put out and were delighted at that particular piece and so saved it for posterity."
He's a white nationalist. That's no secret. Why didn't you just go with that angle if you wanted to discredit him.
Did you know the white nationalists were practically the only group that had information on Zionism before the internet?
Do you have to become a white nationalist to read their info and be educated?
Do you have to become a Muslim to read their info and benefit from it?
Even if they tried they could not do it. They may eliminate millions, but kill them all?
Demographics is a big problem for the Zionists (including the Zionist Christians). They are a minority and the enemy is the majority. The only way for the minority to control the majority is to sub divide them, and to make them weak, in morals, character and as human beings with honor, to get inside their minds and appeal to the animal instincts.
Best to ignore all this and know that all their mind control, TV etc. is designed to make you powerless and stupid, to shape your perceptions, so that you accept their framework, and index of reality.
Reject it all. Only God is the All-Powerful He loves the good and has promised them victory. So we have to become the good...by learning what it is and living by it, acting by it...and we will get victory.
The condition of a Muslim is amazing, even if harmed by a scratch from a thorn, he/she is blessed. And only those who are loved by God are plunged into difficulties....so that they can emerge from them as warriors for Truth.
Turn off that TV pass the NEWS feed on the streets. See all around the tricks THIS lot of money driven fools have used to gain. This and the days further on will just show how fast the mass reign in of this Bunch of money changer gold hording scum how futile there efforts were.
Somehow i get the idea that even with the mighty media teat to suck they will (After a stupid move on THERE part) be astonished at the severity and SWIFTNESS of the corrective force applied to the FIX for everyone living thing on this FRAGILE blue ball of life.
Movies-Crap. NEWS sheets of ANY sort-Crap. Magazines of ANY sort-Crap. Tech gadgets of most types-Crap. Software of most availability-Crap.. I could list every Co. Individually but YOU KNOW just who is not fair and who is. I would just use YOUR own measures and Steer with Jealous regard EVERY dollar spent during a WAR. EVERY CENT!
Fail here and monsters lay in the waters beyond.
First you take D.C. Then you take New York.
"Best to ignore all this and know that all their mind control, TV etc. is designed to make you powerless and stupid, to shape your perceptions, so that you accept their framework, and index of reality."
Ignore all what? Information? We were talking about an article that is not representative of a website. As they say, don't throw away the baby with the bath water. Use what is useful and ignore the rest. That's my point. Even TV has useful information, if you know how to filter out the garbage.
... I must admit, I never knew who the birdman was. However, it is true that among white nationalists are some of the fiercest opponents of ZOG. However, if you're a racist white supremacist (or racist/supremacist of any race/tribe), that doesn't really give you credit in your opposition to racist Jewish supremacism. I'm not saying that all white nationalists are so, but some are as racist in their thinking as the Zionists they denounce.
Anyways duped, I'll take your advice to look into birdman for myself and filter his info for myself, rather than declare him a shill because of one 'unrepresentative article'.
And I hope you can give the same advice to those who make it their prime efforts on WUFYS to attack TFC, rather than let us do our own filtering.
This advice equally applies to DBS, btw.
“And I hope you can give the same advice to those who make it their prime efforts on WUFYS to attack TFC, rather than let us do our own filtering.”
Something tells me that they don’t take advice too well. You’d think they would be tired of it, but I guess not. I'm trying to steer clear of the whole thing at this point.
“This advice equally applies to DBS, btw.”
It sure does. Bring a big filter. My complaint with them was more that they discredited themselves with their actions and contradictions, rather than the information. There’s not a lot of new information there either, unfortunately. But if people still like it, then they should go there. I for one won’t stop listening to TFC, more out of amusement than to learn anything new. They seem to have lost their inspiration and their constant attacking sounds juvenile and counterproductive at this point.
The ideas you have about what Hamas is like have come to you by clever and deceptive Zionist propaganda. Hamas are very different than you think...
The Western media is owned and controlled by Zionist Jews. They intentionally portray Hamas in as negative a way as possible. In reality, Hamas are an exceptionally courageous group of people, and are much more decent and honorable than the Jewish Supremacists.
Don't believe everything you see on TV or read in newspapers - wake up from your slumber, free your mind from all the Zionists' lies and deceit!
Wow, brendan, the very fact that you call Muslims Muhammedans shows your ignorance and bias.
What if I told you some Palestinian Christians voted for Hamas, because they were the better alternative to the corrupted Fateh?
What if I told you Hamas never killed Christians, that Christian and Muslim leaders commonly hold protests, rallies, and conferences side-by-side in occupied Palestine, and that Christians are as much part of the resistance as Muslims are, sometimes even militarily?
Funny how Christians were able to live in Jerusalem and Bethlehem for centuries untouched under 'Muhammedan' rule, and only when Zionist occupation came about, did their numbers start to dwindle (along with all the other Palestinians forced out of Palestine).
And who are you to tell how Palestinians should behave to get your support, when they are under the gun, and you take offence to their wails and cries in funerals.
'Die, and be silent about it', you say. Well, they've been silent for decades. Now they're screaming. What are you doing about it?
No ignorance here Monkey Zerg. O'Connell a.k.a Donnie Darko a.k.a True Believer a.k.a Quo Vadius etc etc is part of the Zionist/Nazi White Supremacist network that PlanetQuo and I have been exposing for weeks now. They infiltrate Patriot groups, sites and forums with one purpose in mind, to stir up racism so that the ADL always have food in which to act upon.
Did you read the other comment O'Connell made?
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/2580#comment-10672
The link below explains what the deal is. Scroll down until you see 'doclover' near the bottom.
http://planetquo.net/The_French_Deception/Index/OConnell/Wogs.htm
Try this one too:
http://planetquo.net/The_French_Deception/Index/WUFYS/Fester.htm
Then O'Connell claims to be all this:
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z57/ANTIZIO/DONNIEDARKO.jpg
And on and on it goes.......
Brenden O'Connell is the only other person I've ever heard use the word ' cretin' Quote ( partial ) from Mr. O'Connell "Ya see...when you bunch of cretins learn to do this maybe we in the West will be able to help you. Until then...you live by it...you die by it.
I guess we are seeing evoloution in action.
Brendon OConnell | Sat, 2007-07-21 08:51
Michael and PlanetQlouseau, like Bart Simpson who demonstates it in his sister's science experiment by suffering repeated electric shocks in his attempt to grab her electrified cookie, have once again proven that they're dumber than hamsters. From the same geniuses that expect us to believe that these two women are one and the same comes this hilarious blunder.
You two refuse to admit that you're idiots. The rest of us admit that you are, though. Michael, you sound so articulate and intelligent up there in your exchange with Muhammad; how is it possible that you can be this stupid? I'm not Brendon O'Connell, Nina is not Gina, and you two are not very clever, not very clever at all.
Somebody is is playing ...games here or a lot of people are very tightly allied.
No mate, I didn't. That image is something I found on myspace, which I then posted as a comment on the myspace profile of a friend of mine. Michael brought it here because he knew it would offend the religious sensibilities of the people that frequent this site, and cast doubt on my character, even though he himself doesn't find it offensive, and doesn't think Jesus would either.
I didn't create the image, I just found it funny, and so did the person who received it in a comment. Michael and PlanetQuo have since reproduced it on at least 5 different occasions on different sites and fora, including myspace, PlanetQuo.Net, and WUFYS, and you can be sure they'll post it again. I've apologised for my role in it's showing up here, despite the fact that in reality, I played no role in it at all.
I'm not a religious person, Bishop, but I believe "God" is in the good and the bad, the profound and the profane, and that the bigger insult to Christ and his father is surely to attribute our own petty, dualistic value judgments to him as if he requires something of us. God is whole, One, and perfect, non? He or It is most certainly not neurotic or capable of being harmed or offended by us. His perfection would necessarily preclude that possibility. How can God be omnipotent, and at the same time be offended by parts of himself? That doesn't make sense.
Nonetheless, my apology stands.
Hi there Whippette,
Glad to see that you too were offended by the unpleasant image that had been posted.
Although it is not really my thing, I had a look at the link in your comment that was intended for someone else. I must say that the experience has left me completely and utterly dazed. There does not appear to be any serious research at the link and people seemed to be in a flap about a single email from someone making a lot of difficult to prove claims
The page is definitely a personal slur against you, but this person (I can't quite work out who the author is meant to be, it is confusing) has also made comments about Daryl, Eric and others.
Although this person may be allowed to make comments about your opinions or research, it is entirely wrong for them to slander you.
I was extremely annoyed by an mp3 which downloaded on to my computer from this link, that I thought was going to be a discussion or presentation of evidence about you. I was disgusted when it turned out to be a song that the link author thought was applicable to you. This is completely childish and infantile, it serves no valid purpose.
In my opinion the author of this page should apologise for such purile conduct and inference about you. If they have anything legitimate to say about you then they should put forth clearly and simply their claims.
Respectfully,
Muhammad
That's interesting about Birdman. I had found him to be very right on some issues, although I disagreed with him on others.
For example, he advocated a minimalist, libertarian government, and said that anarchy could not work. But his libertarianism would not only be unsustainable, but could never come about. A relatively honest, intelligent leader would never be permitted to roll back the frontier of the state for long, before the Zionists would replace him with a puppet who would be more amenable to their lust for power and profit. A non-statist solution would allow us to throw off the yoke of corrupt power brokers who bribe and blackmail leaders into furthering the Zionist cause.
See this piece by Birdman Bryant, in which he argues that we should openly embrace the Jews and cultivate their help:
There are two points here that I am driving at. The first is that it is high time for people in our movement to acknowledge their positive feelings for Jews, and to stop behaving so as to fuel the charge of 'haters' which has been used against us so effectively by the Left. The second point is that we must not merely openly embrace the Jews who will give us help, but we must cultivate that help.
Source: http://www.thebirdman.org/Index/Fight/Fight-Jews&Haters.html
As an atheist, I am not particularly concerned about images. However, religious people will find certain images offensive and insulting, and the 'benefit' to those who see such images as a "joke" would be outweighed by the cost to those whose beliefs are insulted. If such images are privately circulated then little harm would be done. But I could not condone public posting of such images where some might take offense.
Finally, those who have not realised that the PlanetQuo team have turned themselves into a laughing stock with their absurd theories such as Brendon O'Connell = Fester = Crimes Of Zion = Lord Sidious, they might want to listen to this audio of a May 16, 2007 voicemail message left for Suzette the Whippette by Jim Kerr of PlanetQuo. Is this heavy breathing and laughing the voice of sanity? Jim Kerr aka PlanetQuo aka the Yorkshire Ripper aka Peter Sutcliffe :-)
hahaha
Who was the lucky recipient of that oddity?
Geeez,
I was the lucky recipient of Quo's voicemail. Quo left this voice message for me while we were still friends. I only discovered this voice mail a few days ago. I couldn't possibly have deprived the world of this "little gem".
Change your heart...Repent and do Penance.
It's too good to be true - it reminds me of the Taxil Hoax:
"Taxil ... mentioned the struggle for the control of Palladism between two powerful Satanic high priestesses called Diana Vaughan and Sophia Walder. To make these two fictitious characters more believable, Taxil ... pretended these women were in touch with other well-known Freemasons of the time who were secret members of Palladism, including the Italian prime minister Francesco Crispi (1818-1901), the powerful great master of Italian Freemasonry Adriano Lemmi (1822-1906), and Albert Pike (1809-1891), the great commander of the Southern Jurisdiction of the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry in America. Although Pike was particularly controversial during the U.S. Civil War, Taxil made him the secret Satanic Pope of the World, who reigned over a worldwide Satanic-Masonic enterprise from his "Luciferian Holy See" in Charleston, South Carolina (perhaps a strange and exotic place for the average European reader of the time, as well as the place where the Civil War began). When the Roman Catholic bishop of Charleston ruled out the possibility that his city was the seat of a "Luciferian Holy See," Palladist high priestess Diana Vaughan personally suggested that some U.S. bishops were perhaps in league with the Satanists. According to Taxil, Diana Vaughan had converted to Catholicism and was hiding in a monastery for fear of being kidnapped by Palladists. From her hiding place, she was busy publishing a monthly journal (written, of course, by Taxil) that included her recollections. Bishops, cardinals, and even the Vatican congratulated Taxil for being instrumental in the conversion of Diana Vaughan. By 1894 other anti-Masonic writers-possibly to the genuine delight of Taxil, who may not have been in league with them originally-began writing their own books about both Diana Vaughan and her archrival Sophia Walder..."
http://2s2.com/chapmanresearch/user/documents/anti-mormon.html
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First you take D.C. Then you take New York.
Dear Masher,
Once one knows, all time is henceforth wasted which is not applied to physical action.
One can always peruse the latest outrage, or ponder tear number 10,041. Just how many multi-faceted details must one consider before going.. well.. "going Quo"?
We are all wasting time.
If you can't use humour, not only can you not engage actively in psychological warfare (in which ridicule is essential) - you cannot even react to it when it's used against you, since you will just wrap yourself in your sense of moral outrage, leaving your opponent free to ridicule you for that too.
Perhaps some may have wondered what happened to TGR... I have been monitoring WUFYS and WRH and counterpunch.org etc.
I have not posted any thing for months, and I am quite pleased there have been many people stepping up to the challenge --- to make this world a better place.
That is something I believe all of us who care enough to do something about the ills and "apparent" chaos in this world is motivated by -- primary to bring peace, tranquility, prosperity and understanding.
This I believe is truly possible. I am not saying everything will be "perfect", but it will be a 'hell-of-a-lot' better.
This is what I have witnessed while I have been traveling the globe.
I have much hope in people, all people, even 'Zionists'. For I see myself in other people. And I see them in me.
For the truth is that we are but one people, one race. There can be no such thing where a "subset" of the human race are "God's chosen people".
That is the purist racist and delusional ideology.
That ideology leads to division, discrimination and hate.
That is what Zionism is about.
That is what the Ashkenazi Khazars want so badly.
But in the end, we all die. That is our fate. Even the most powerful family in the world shares the same fate...
... and that is why it doesn't matter how evil someone is, they will still be our brothers and sisters.
Since there can only be ONE human race --- there is a bit of us in them, and a bit of them in us.
That is what I have learned in my life experiences. And I hope the Rothschilds come to understand this fundamental truth.
'The Truth Will Set You Free'
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One more thing.
Although not researched per se, if I may add one more thing. If you look carefully you can see a subtle but awkward disproportionate relationship between the apparent number of people active in the website and the amount of efforts required to produce their products. For example Wing TV appeared to have only two people running their programs. But the number of DVDs, books, interviews, etc. they offer seemed to take far more than two people and a few years to produce them. (not considering the obvious lack of scholarly competence of the two.)
Amy Goodman's Democracy Now, or Michael Moore's documentary projects are similar examples. They simply cannot do what they do without having access to the already established and institutionalized media outlets and networks that genuine journalists just are not allowed to use.
And there is oops moments that let the cat out of the bag. Birdman Bryant's open letter to Ahmadinejad and Link-tv's half an hour documentary about Sweden's Anna Lindh assassination were their oops moments for me.
Kats | Fri, 2007-07-20 13:45
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Thanks Kats, it's good to see there are so many keen people out there. It gives me hope.
Amy "The Goods" Goodman & Michael "The Mole" Moore are known Zionist agents -- perhaps higher up the Khazar family tree than most people realize. But that's another discussion.
My rant about these (long list of) rebel warriors is not just ideological, but is out of screeching pain. I open mindedly supported them as long as I could, not just morally but financially too. And then got stabbed by one after another when I was not looking. Some times I feel I have no clean spot on my back to offer to anyone any more (!), and feel bad for those who recklessly do. But I try to stick to my principle and still do. As you said, maybe one day, one day they realize stabbing people is not a good habit (of 3k years).