Robert Fisk and the closet of media 9/11 self-censorship

..amen, MZ.. don't let them suck you into the useless banter, you have nothing to prove to them, and it would possibly be better not to meet with finger pointing sociopaths, lol..

(just look what happened to CoZ with that oconner freak)

... Hi guys,

I admit I skipped most of the posts that seemed to be between Michael, CoZ, and Poseidon. So if anything in those was addressed to me, please make that clear (I don't have the time to keep up).

However Kerr's comment seems aimed at me:
Jim Kerr | Sat, 2007-09-01 08:31

My responses:

First of all, just to confirm, are you (Jim Kerr) the same as PlanetQuo?, because you reply to a question I asked PlaetQuo (about me meeting PQ if he visits Edinburgh/Scotland)

I don't know about Tynecastle or Easter Rd being cesspits, but maybe we can meet in Princes St Gardens (ex-cesspit :P )

I'm going away for holiday til October 22nd. Will you be in Edinburgh in the last week of October? You can email me via WUFYS and we'll arrange a meet.

As fot the comments about me being Nina, 'Poseidon' seems to have changed his mind about me since. I'm quite forgiving. Actually, I don't agree about Poseidon about DBS, but I also don't agree with many of the things you've said about others too. But I appreciate that people change their positions, so even if you mused once about me being Nina, etc, I'll be happy if you see otherwise (and maybe use more stringent criteria when dealing with others).

Sorry for sounding sarcastic about Palestinian literacy. Yes I'm Palestinian, born to Diaspora Palestinians. And yes I grew up mostly in English speaking countries, thus my literacy in English.

To put my ID to rest, why not read what I wrote in Anti-Neocons:

http://www.rys2sense.com/anti-neocons/viewtopic.php?t=102&postdays=0&pos...

Go down to MonkeyZerg, its a list of where I've lived. Here's the main bit about me:

'Born: Kuwait Lived: 5 years til Saddam came to town
Then: Jordan Lived: 2 years til dad said 'no more!'
Then: Australia Lived: 5 years. Best years of my life
Then: USA Lived: 2 years, in Minnesota, COLD
Then: Greece Lived: 5 years, it's a love/hate relationship
Then: Scotland Lived: 2 years, I'm beginning to see a pattern...

But in the end I'm Palestinian, and I've only been able to go there twice in my life.'

I hold an Australian nationality, though not Palestinian (we don't have passports, and you get an ID card if you live in the WestBank or Gaza).

You say:
"As I say, it is better to have only one name and one pseudonym. This way, there can never be any confusion about who is who."

And I agree with you, that's why I showed that EVERYWHERE on the net I AM MONKEYZERG, EXCEPT myspace, because of my ignorance at the time. And I want to keep it standard with MonkeyZerg, please respect that. Also, Zak is a common short for Zakaria, like Mike for Michael, I don't see how that can relate to Ke and Kerr.

You say:
"I haven't done any wordplay on either 'MonkeyZerg' or 'Majid' since you haven't attacked me or insulted me."
Glad to hear it. I just hope that the people name-calling you, and you name-calling them, can stop as well.

So we both opened accounts in myspace and nolajbs because DBS encouraged us. I never got into Nolajbs, and you probably searched and saw that I didn't post anything (that I recall). I also left myspace because I felt I was wasting too much time. So we agree there.

You say:
"I take your point about the MonkeyZerg handle, and will respect your wishes. Monkey Zerg it is then - as you wish. You can call me PlanetQuo, Jim, or Jimmy."
Thank you very much. I guess I'll call you Jim if you don't mind (easier to type)

I can't make excuses for what my friends do or say. From my position, Nina was a friend for a long time, and I didn't see the evidence for claims about her. To be truthful, I've been staying out of all the attacks and counter-attacks, and don't want to take sides since I don't know the details or the history between people. All I ask is for everyone to not waste time, concentrate on important issues, and IF they want to say something about other persons, only do it with solid evidence. In the end it may be more useful disproving someone else's arguments than disproving someone else's identity.

"Fair enough Monkey Zerg?"
I can only advise both sides to not mock each other's looks/physiques.

Regarding Crimes of Zion's defence of Nina:
"Do you believe that his response was proportionate to the imagined slight? Do you feel that your friend Nina was worth three months of fighting and discord?"

He was defending Nina against what he felt (and I felt also) were false claims. It's his business how much effort he put into it. I personally supported him for putting in the effort to defend Nina, and added him on myspace after I asked Nina personally about the claims. I personally believe that what you said at the time against Nina is weak, not enough to make a case, I just didn't bother pursuing it.

"Would you not agree that to wear an IDF t-shirt is to show support for a bunch of degenerate, murdering scum, and would you not agree that to wear this disgusting t-shirt is an insult to the memory of Rachel Corrie?"
But I don't base my whole view of someone because of a T-shirt they wore/wear, without asking the reason. I've emailed Nina and seen her work many times over a year, and it was all solidly anti-Zionist. I forget why she had an IDF shirt on, I could ask her again, but I suspect it was in jest. A picture, in my opinion, doesn't stand against a constance of action, and Nina honoured Rachel Corrie in her actions, I see no reason to believe otherwise based on one picture.

Anyways, I hope we can all calm down and stop the unneeded suspicions and bickering. I don't mind people disagreeing with me about Robert Fisk. It doesn't mean we have to doubt each others' sincerity about the overall issues.

We're all anti-Zionists here, we're already few, we don't need to be disunited and wasting our efforts against each other, when so much effort needs to go in informing other people about Zionism and other corruptions, and hopefully making a change.

I think that the USS Liberty was the 9/11 of 1967... Planned by a "shadow government" in the US (ie the neocons of today) and executed by Israel. Mc Nemarah did know about it... and did do his best to keep help away from the ship in hope that it would sink.

This is what Admiral Moorer says: "In the Liberty case, fighters were put in the air not once, but twice. They were ordered to stand down by Secretary of Defense McNamara and President Johnson for reasons the American public deserves to know."

If the attack on the Liberty were a purely Israeli operation, why would the fighters be ordered to return twice? This is a question worth thinking of.

www.ussliberty.org/moorer3.txt

the charges, the counter charges. completely unreadable to all except those involved.

i think a conference call is in order - record it. Stick some obscure jazz on the front of it, and call it iamboredshitless.

haha

Michael should've taken his name from Marillion's 1987 studio album. He is now reduced to arguing semantics in an attempt to get out of the hole he has dug himself into.

The Egyptian prisoners of war massacre is one possible motive for the attack, but it's by no means proven. See this page, which is one of the few that mentions the POWs theory. It also mentions Operation Cyanide, Peter Hounam's theory that the attack was "pre-planned, perhaps from at least a year beforehand". Israel had been conducting false-flag attacks prior to 1967, such as the King David Hotel and the Lavon Affair, and it conducted many more false-flag attacks after 1967.

Source

Even if the Egyptian POWs theory is true, the attack was still a classic Israeli false-flag. If it weren't a false-flag, we have the bizarre situation that Israel was carrying out one atrocity to cover up another. The planners were only forced to wheel out their second choice "it was an accident" excuse because there were too many survivors. The Zionists would have hoped to pin the blame on Egypt, which was why unmarked jets were employed. Aiming to "kill two birds with one stone" is a hallmark of Zionist operations, and if the Israelis thought they could cover up the POWs massacre and use the operation as a false flag to get the US to attack Egypt, they would not have been able to resist the temptation.

In any case, the attack on the Liberty was a war crime, as was the Egyptian POWs massacre.

and what's happening to the " U.S.S. 9/11/01 truth movement is just as terrible!

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Pray the Rosary Daily

..first of, qrs is trying her best to ignore people's bad demeanors, and has been nothing but polite about it, so really, if you want to spazz out over the splitting of hairs on what COULD HAVE BEEN HAD THE LIBERTY BEEN SUNK (ie: a blurry mushroom cloud in Cairo!); Michael take your prozac and calm down..

..the terminology we use to describe WHAT HAPPENED, isn't really that important, in a nutshell, they're all (LBJ, McNAM and the ZIONISTS) lying war-criminal traitors that deserve the death penalty in this world and the next.

..howabout we call it A WAR CRIME!

The attack on the USS Liberty was not an Israeli False Flag. It has been turned into one AFTER the event which occurred as a result of the Israelis suspected that the Liberty had intercepted transmissions and witnessed the execution of Egyptian POW. The Israelis DID NOT PLAN IT AS A FALSE FLAG, it was a quick response to sink the USS liberty through fear of their war crimes being revealed for the world to see, the blame of which MAY have been attributed to the Egyptians if the Israelis had been 'successful' in their aims. So get your definitions correct you bunch of blurry fucks.

911 WAS a False Flag.

The King David Hotel bombing WAS a False Flag.

The attack on the USS Liberty was NOT a False Flag, but a botched attempt to cover their arses which failed and thus COULD NOT BE BLAMED ON ANYONE (officially). All that was left to do was to blur the event in secrecy, evasion and time wasting, (like the shills do here) which LBJ and Cain assisted in.

Therefore it DOES NOT fall into the category of a "False Flag", and certainly NOT "a classic Israeli False Flag" as idiot of Zion wrote after the lying shill Mark Glenn tried to suggest that it was LBJ and the Americans had planned the attack to start WW3 in the mid-east, for crying out loud!

That you fail to distinguish the basics is a worry, but not surprising.

Stick your site up your arse, it's fucked.

Yes, we sometimes take the piss out of ourselves.

So Michael now accuses me of "evading" points made in one of Kerr's exceptionally long-winded comments. (I hasten to add that I'm making an allowance for Michael's error in calling me "Peter".) However, Kerr's comment was posted fourteen minutes after I posted! I know I'm supposed to be "Professor" or "Doctor Sault", but even I have not mastered time travel!

And Grim's absolutely correct. Anyone who says that the attack on the USS Liberty was not an Israeli false-flag operation is either a shill or is deluded. Here is where I wrote (briefly) about the attack in my history of Zionist crimes:

http://www.takeourworldback.com/zionistcrimes.htm#ussliberty

Here is a page I found about "freeloaders" tapping in to wi-fi. It says that it is only illegal if done without consent, so if CoZ got permission from his neighbor it was perfectly legal:

Source

is giving me a head ache!!

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Pray the Rosary Daily

Like "the attack on the USS Liberty was "a classic Israeli False Flag operation" tripe you peddle.

WTF are you denier of israel's FALSE FLAG ATTACK ON THE USS LIBERTY?????!!!!

Also, if you have a wireless card, YOU CAN CONNECT TO YOUR NEIGHBOURS IF THEY AREN'T SECURE! This may be limited to the same brand, but i'm not sure about that one..

..i hope all the true shills die right now, of heart attacks.

Grim to the rescue. I said before, who the fuck are you and why are you defending shills, liars and plebs likes CoZ?

Whats your problem?

What is so fucking great about a lying sack of meths who's only achievement to date is to make us who are serious about all this look like dope freaks and blasphemers?

Seems like WUFYS has been degenerating since these idiots appeared fron NOLAJBS and your protecting them?

Quite frankly if Qrswave cannot see the damage that these fuckwits are doing here then the site deserves to head down the sewer and these liars will appear elsewhere and do like wise.

Grim, the protector of liars.

..you guys are totally on a tangent..

..hey CoZ, just ignore these geeks, they're trying to distract us, and piss of qrs enough to make WUFYS a private blog.

I see, so then everyone who buys a laptop like the one you got can just simply use everyone else's connection? Sorry, but that just does not happen. Even when you HAVE an internet provider yourself its damn near IMPOSSIBLE to get a connection away from home, never mind trying to bounce off someone else's signal. Like I said, secure or "unsecure" it's like trying to ring someone's mobile phone when you don't know the number.

Can you imagine the disruption chaos and confusion that would occur if people were simply be able to do what you claimed you did? Or do you think the network providers and PC designers overlooked this obvious "loophole".

Who said anything about a conspiracy? You did, not I.

Your a typical disinfo pleb.

Like "the attack on the USS Liberty was "a classic Israeli False Flag operation" tripe you peddle.

Hey lying shill Peter, you evaded this

Michael, as I say, you're an idiot. It wasn't stolen; it was bought brand new from Officeworks, $999.00 on special. It's a Toshiba L20 notebook. It does have the wireless capability built in. As I said, I knew nothing about computers; I didn't have the foresight to buy one with wireless capability; the fact that I bought one that did was just a fortuitous fluke.

Had it had been a 'new' one from the shop (or back of it) there would be no built in facility for it to receive a wireless signal and IF you actually bought the laptop legally from a PC stockist WITH the facility to receive a wireless connection fitted then it would have come as NO SURPRISE to you that it in fact did just that the moment you "plugged it in".

Everything has to be a conspiracy with you. You're a fuckin' idiot.

With regard to your laptop you said that you "brought it home and discovered, to my surprise, that I was already online. When I clicked on the IE icon (I use firefox now), the yahoo page came up, or whatever the default internet homepage is."

In other words you are saying that you bought your laptop already configured to use wireless, and you were surprised?

This would mean that your PC was either stolen or possibly taken for non-payment of dope.

Either that or you HACKED into your neighbour's connection.

In other words you just don't buy a laptop and 'hey presto' your connected to the network whether it be your neighbour's or anybody else's for that matter.

YOU have to have an Internet Provider because to use your neighbour's connection you would have to know either the password or hack into it.

Whether your neighbour was/is using an "unsecured" connection or not does not simply allow you to plug in a laptop and 'hey presto' (that's assuming that your new fangled laptop came with a wireless facility installed in it, which if it did then this would have to have been done (legally) by a technician before being activated by the Internet Provider). It would be a chance in a million, like trying to guess a mobile number which leads me to believe that the laptop was stolen goods and considering it's marvelous ability to immediately connect to the internet via your neighbour's wireless connection would indicate that the laptop was NOT a new one, but one that was stolen from a resident or facility of some sort.

Had it had been a 'new' one from the shop (or back of it) there would be no built in facility for it to receive a wireless signal and IF you actually bought the laptop legally from a PC stockist WITH the facility to receive a wireless connection fitted then it would have come as NO SURPRISE to you that it in fact did just that the moment you "plugged it in".

Again lets see what you wrote:

"When I first got this laptop nearly two years ago now, which is my first computer, I brought it home and discovered, to my surprise, that I was already online. When I clicked on the IE icon (I use firefox now), the yahoo page came up, or whatever the default internet homepage is. Maybe it was a Toshiba page. Google is my homepage now. At the time, I had a friend staying here, Lance, who knew about computers (I knew five eighths of fuck all about computers), and he told me that that was impossible."

Your mate, Lance, was right.

"I give you my word that any information that you give me regarding Nina aka 'A Possum Princess' will not be published on any of my websites or shared with Eric Hufschmid."

Where is Suzette's name in my statement dipshit? Our agreement was that I would not share it with Eric Hufschmid.

Heh heh, Kerr, you can't weasle out of it. Here is the email in question, right here, on your website. You know you deceived me, Kerr - stop trying to pussy out of it, you pussy.

You were outsmarted dipshit. Get over yourself dipshit. You asked that the information you supplied on your beloved Nina's behalf be restricted to my personal use only. I did not agree to your request hence the agreement was not broken dipshit. Perhaps you were off your head on meths and weed at the time dipshit. You fucked-up bigtime dipshit, didn't you dipshit? What a prick you are Linton. Useless cunt.

It's times like this I'm actually happy that you're an unhappy, armless old man, Kerr.

Why all the fuss Junkie boy of Jew Central? Here's what your gaffer said:

"Anyway, divulge whatever you wish... but please just use your best judgement and remember that I'm relatively defenseless and easily imperiled."

That's the most piss-weak subterfuge I've ever seen. Nina wrote that to me, privately, telling me that I could divulge whatever I wished. I chose to divulge it to you, conditionally. We then made an agreement, which you shattered into tiny pieces. No one is buying that crap, Kerr.

You were outsmarted dipshit.

It's easy to outsmart someone with deceit. The trustworthy are fucked over by the deceitful all the time. I'll give you that point, Kerr. You did outsmart me, but not because you're clever.

The game's up Linton - you lost. Go back to MySpace where you belong dipshit

How is the "game" "up" for me, Kerr? What have you affected? Are there swarms of posters here jumping down my throat about me being Brendon O'Connell? Who besides you and Michael believe that crap? Has Mark Glenn stopped linking to Crimes of Zion? When I put the next blog out, will it be shunned and dismissed as 'disinfo'? Have I been banned from WUFYS or anywhere else? Have I lost any friends? Do I have any reason at all not to be happy?

Look out the window right now, Kerr. Is it not beautiful out there? Why should I skulk off to myspace because you keep publishing endless "exposes"? How would you react to someone publishing Jim Kerr "exposes" that were 80% wrong? You'd laugh too.

I published my mobile number on this forum for you to call me on fucking ages ago, Kerr. If you had have used it, we'd probably be friends right now. Could you really keep this secret agent / detective game up at the same time as hearing a down-to-earth voice on the other end of the phone? I know I couldn't. When Suzette called me, the first thing I did was laugh, and it was just natural that we became friends. Sometimes I think that's why you don't wanna call, because it would destroy your whole world view. What would you do with the endless pages of drivel you've written about me if you were to discover I was just a normal person? For fuck's sake Kerr, you need to wake up, bro. You have no idea how much we laugh at you.

Gawd Michael, you are so daft it is stunning.

No one is buying your "wireless" crap Zion. Its IMPOSSIBLE. Are you familiar with wireless to PC configuration? i.e. INDIVIDUAL PC's?

Look. I used my neighbour's connection in the same way I use my own connection right now - wirelessly. As long as a connection is unsecured, there's no problem. My computer displays which networks are available in my area whether they're secured or not, and connects if possible. There is absolutely no difference between me using my own wireless connection and the guy's next door; it's a signal, as simple as that.

The fact is you COULD NOT have done what you claim simply because YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CONNECTION YOURSELF FROM AN INTERNET PROVIDER be it Telstra or AAPT.

Maybe one of the other posters here can enlighten Mikhail.

And you expect that people would believe that scenario of you actually letting your neighbour know that you were using their download quota and your neighbour saying "It's ok, no charge". LOL!

Yes, Michael. You might be a tight-arse, but some people are quite friendly.

Why do you insist on denying that you are Peter Sault?

You are going to look even more sillier than you already are.

No one is buying your "wireless" crap Zion. Its IMPOSSIBLE. Are you familiar with wireless to PC configuration? i.e. INDIVIDUAL PC's?

And you expect that people would believe that scenario of you actually letting your neighbour know that you were using their download quota and your neighbour saying "It's ok, no charge". LOL!

The fact is you COULD NOT have done what you claim simply because YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CONNECTION YOURSELF FROM AN INTERNET PROVIDER be it Telstra or AAPT.

You unsuccessfully came to Peter Sault's aid and have exposed yourself again.

Are you and Nina twins or do you both enjoy writing with 'italics' and those silly symbol headers?

This is my reply from the other thread that was closed. As narcissisists do, you will probably insist it is really an "attack".

The proposed meeting was not, as you are implying, to be some dodgy nocturnal rendezvous in a remote car park, but at a restaurant in the middle of the day at a busy motorway service station. I was even planning to eat bacon as evidence that I am not Jewish! It was in response to your statements complaining about pseudonyms like Fester and Poseidon being merely pieces of "HTML code". I just happened to have a week's holiday that week, and it was in the run-up to your important operation with the launch of the French Deception video that was supposed to "nuke Smith". I thought I could have proved that I'm a real person, and we could have discussed your imminent operation with the launch of the video. What did you think - I planned to poison you with polonium-210, or was going to hire a sniper?

Who are your "fifty other people" - will they provide any hints of their identities? How do you know they aren't pretending to go along with you because they've seen how you treat your "enemies"?

Daryl no longer supports Nina, and has claimed that she is plotting against him.

Jim, you silly plonker, my suggestion that loss of a relative could have been a factor in your eccentric, irrational, narcissistic, autistic behavior of the last few months was intended to exonerate you. And, far from denigrating your father's memory, it does the very opposite.

In at least three cases in the last few months, you have attacked former associates who had been corresponding with you, when they failed to continue bestowing you with sufficient praise or adulation and took issue with some of your ideas. Okay, so none of them (Crimes of Zion, Whippette and myself) were lifelong friends, but they had still been on friendly terms with you for a matter of weeks. Also, you attacked CoZ's friend apossumprincess because of some paranoid conspiracy theory.

Look at who goes around telling people to "go f*** yourself" and calling women "stupid cows / bitches", etc, and it will show you who has the more narcissistic tendencies.

I tried to exonerate you by assuming that this behavior was a recent, temporary phenomenon, and I then noticed the coincidence of the advent of this behavior with the loss of a family member. The implication of this assumption, that you were adversely affected by the loss of your father, is that you must have thought very highly of him. And since there must be quite a good correlation between how someone imagines a parent to be and how they really are, the induction is that your father was a very good man.

If you persist with this Poseidon = Peter Sault absurdity you are going to look even more silly. Why not just admit I am right, and apologise to me, Suzette, Nina and Jamie, and then we can forget it and move on?

You're such a prick Linton.

Aheh, why? Because I point out how silly you are?

All Michael and I are doing is throwing your own words back in your face dipshit.

And all I'm doing is laughing at it!

The game's up Linton - you lost. Go back to MySpace where you belong dipshit

But see, that's the thing - I haven't lost, because you're wrong, Kerr. You're wrong about everything. That is an incontrovertible fact.

In fact, every last one of your howlers are just that - howlers. What effect do you expect to have on me Kerr, do you expect me to read your "exposes" and get upset? I can't help but laugh!

Sounds like it was all set up and ready for you to shill away because ther is NO WAY that your "swanky, fandangled new laptop had automatically tuned in wirelessly to my neighbour's connection."

Hahaha, of course it's possible you dickhead. The modem is on their end. Yup, most of the blocks around here are quarter acre, but my bedroom and the lounge-room are only about ten metres from where their modem is. Katie's room was further away, thus her desire for a private connection.

By the way, they knew I was using their connection. They refused to take money for our use of it.

"When I first got this laptop nearly two years ago now, which is my first computer, I brought it home and discovered, to my surprise, that I was already online. When I clicked on the IE icon (I use firefox now), the yahoo page came up, or whatever the default internet homepage is. Maybe it was a Toshiba page. Google is my homepage now. At the time, I had a friend staying here, Lance, who knew about computers (I knew five eighths of fuck all about computers), and he told me that that was impossible.

Again, another diversion which has revealed more of your lies.

You're gonna have to make up your mind about whether or not I'm Brendon O'Connell, girls.

Read all about how the Meths man of Mount Lawley connects to the Internet via a non-existent landline. Discover how Junkie boy Linton speaks to Nina on his non-existent phone.

Your position is that I am B.O. Connell. If I am in fact B.O, then the meth info is disinformation entered into circulation by yours truly. If I'm not, then we have a situation whereby B.O is either telling you the truth, or he's not. What's it gonna be? Am I meth-head, or Brendon O'Connell? Which insult do you prefer?

GAHAHAHAHA. Oh man, Kerr, you are such a twat. Look at the convolution and posturing I find in your Crimes of Zion: Landline Lies page:

"What is wrong with this picture? Linton's contradictory statements make no sense at all. Having originally stated that he has no landline, Linton now expands his statement, to inform us that he has no landline telephone. If Linton's revised statement is true, then how does he explain his disappointment at not receiving a telephone call from the O'Connell entity? It simply isn't possible to receive telephone calls if one does not have a telephone. Linton's story does not gel, and something is clearly amiss here."

Take a look at what O'Connell said in the first place:

"I GAURANTEE you a phone call tonight. GAURANTEED."

He said it almost like a threat. But of course, because I have no landline telephone, and the phone number he'd posted on the NOLAJBS forum was redundant, he was making promises he couldn't keep. So I said:

What I really wanna know is why I didn't receive the phonecall Dummy Dicko promised me last night.

This is the kind of thing PlanetClouseau spends hours and hours writing about on the internet.

"Linton's story does not gel, and something is clearly amiss here."

Aheh, heh. Kerr, you nonce. Ok look, this is from the "expose":

Think about what you have just read. If Linton didn't lie when he said that he doesn't have a landline, then common logic decrees that he must have been telling the truth, and if he was telling the truth when he stated that he doesn't have a landline, then James Linton evidently has no landline installed at 135 Fifth Avenue. Round and round we go. Linton's opening statement on the issue of his non-existent landline was "I don't even have a landline." Those were his exact words. This is precisely what he stated on the NOLAJBS forum on 14th February. He made no mention of the word telephone.

You've been going on about this for months Kerr, so listen up, it's this simple.

When I first got this laptop nearly two years ago now, which is my first computer, I brought it home and discovered, to my surprise, that I was already online. When I clicked on the IE icon (I use firefox now), the yahoo page came up, or whatever the default internet homepage is. Maybe it was a Toshiba page. Google is my homepage now. At the time, I had a friend staying here, Lance, who knew about computers (I knew five eighths of fuck all about computers), and he told me that that was impossible. But I was online, so it obviously was possible. It turned out that my swanky, fandangled new laptop had automatically tuned in wirelessly to my neighbour's connection.

I wasn't about to spend the $ on my own connection if I was getting it for free, so I just used theirs for the first 6 months or so, but it was temperamental because the signal was always 'low' or 'very low'. I was only able to use the net roughly 3/4 of the time. When Katie came over from Queensland with her own wireless laptop, it was no longer viable to use the neighbours' connection, because I didn't want to exceed their download limit, plus, Katie had an American internet boyfriend that she wanted to be in contact with without getting cut off by the crappy signal. It was her idea to get connected; I was happy putting up with the shitty connection.

She did the research from work on the best deal, she signed the contract with AAPT, and she paid the initial fee on her credit card. I paid her back my half in cash, and bought the wireless modem, because there was no way I was going from wireless to conventional.

So you see, when O'Connell posted my landline number on the NOLAJBS forum (a number I'd never seen before, I might add), I said I didn't have a landline, because a) I didn't have a landline telephone, and b) I'd forgotten that I had an actual landline, because I didn't set it up. I was used to being wireless (and I still was, but via my own connection). It wasn't so much that I'd forgotten as I never really realised I had one in the first place, believe it or not.

Now can you see why I'm always cracking up at your antics, Kerr? 'Linton is a Zionist operative ra ra ra..'

Since having your artwork displayed throughout the café’s in Perth many a dealer (including including meth and dope ones) have been very interested in buying your work as investments.
Trouble is they can’t contact you on your home phone as they aren’t sure if you have one or not, much like you .

Your attempts to divert are legendary.

Eight Traits of Disinformationalists

..i've been skipping the bulk of these posts for quite some time now..

YOU GUYS ARE WASTING TIME

..for example, when i see a 4-pager from ol' Po, dedicated to bullsh*t, all i see is wasted talent; that goes for the rest of you too.

GFY GDS.

This is in response to Poseidon’s comment here

"The sort of conspiracy theorists who believe Smith are the same sort as those who believe ludicrous claims such as Nina = Gina = Eireann Goddess, or Jamie Linton = Brendon O'Connell = Fester = Lord Sidious, or Poseidon = Mike Piper / Scott Makufka / David Duke / scarlet bunnie / Peter Sault / Debus.". Smugly states Poseidon Sault.

All this nothing from someone who tried to convince Jim and I that Crimes of Zion was THE James Linton of the US Home Security when Jim and I already knew who he was and who he wasn't.

Who dreamed up wild theory after theory (like there being TWO Daryl's and the "Bin Laden is Daryl" theory).

This guy is a pure disinfo agent in the true sense, and I don't use the word disinfo lightly as some do.

Whereas Jim and I raised perfectly legitimate questions regarding the integrity of the TFC Peter Poseidon Sault takes it to the edge of insanity and beyond into the realm of fantastic theories that defy his much touted laws of physics.

Please be warned readers and Qrswave, you have a first class agent, with his team, destroying this site.

Since Poseidon Sault deems himself fit to hand out advice on how this site should be run and administered I agree with Nobadaddy’s assertion that Poser needs to be 'taken out' before he completely damages the integrity of WUFYS

Sault is totally evasive when it comes to things like this, this, this, and this (to list but only a few) yet has the hide to use this site as a base in which to launch attack after attack on, who Peter’s hero Piper described as being “The best Journalist in America; bar none” Christopher Bollyn and offers only speculation with no real evidence whatsoever in any of his spams.

Peter Sault exclaims:
"But, we should strive to avoid any degeneration into name-calling and fighting!

In this instance I disagree considering that we are dealing with a "Complete Wanker".

Hey, but wait a minute!

"The Daryl bin Laden hypothesis may seem a bit far-fetched, and the "two Daryls" theory may seem extravagant. But they cannot be completely ruled out. Both are independent hypotheses which do not require that the other be true."
Poseidon | Sun, 2007-06-10 03:00

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

A Collection Of Absurd Statements And Theories From The Webmaster Of TakeOurWorldBack.com

"In reality, Poseidon is not Peter Sault." States Crimes of Zion.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Kerr, you really need to find something meaningful in your life to mitigate the emotional stress that this internet shit obviously causes you, man. You've been looking like you're about to bust a ventricle.

"I won't warn you again Sault. Don't you ever fucking dare play that lowdown trick on me again. If you do, I swear on my father's grave, I'll hunt you down. Understood Sault? Back off or I'll come after you. You have been warned. You won't be warned again."

"I am physically disabled to a degree, but not "crippled." I am not confined to a wheelchair. I can walk, I can move around the length and breadth of England. Do you catch my drift, Peter? One day you might answer your front door and piss your pants when you see me standing right there in fromt of you, Catch my drift, Peter."

"You WILL pay heavily for the remarks you made. Consider that a promise written in stone Peter."

What you don't seem to realise, Kerr, is that he who gets upset loses, in this game. Happiness is surely the best revenge. If I worked myself into a fluster that bad I'd take some time off. If you're not laughing more than you're fuming, it's time for a break. Laugh at yourself - we sure as fuck do!

You have made one enemy too many. The sharks are circling you Poseidon. Soon we will bite. The first chunk off your arse gets bitten off on the front page of PlanetQuo.Com over the weekend. You're dead in the (Sault) water Zio-shill.

Make no mistake about it Peter, I intend to destroy you.

You always say shit like this, you've been saying it to me for months. For you to even imagine that you're capable of "destroying" people by writing about them is proof enough that you need to get out more, and I'm not even joking. Actually, a desire to "destroy" people is something you have in common with Brendon O'Connell - "Destroying you will be fun :)", he said to me in an email, before he started spamming WUFYS with all that meth shit.

You attempt to ridicule the fact that you ARE Peter Sault by mixing this fact with non-facts. Sure, I once reckoned you were Debus - and you may well be - but I no longer believe that. I know you are Peter Sault, and so do about fifty other people.

You can't do this Peter because it would only confirm that you ARE Peter Sault.

Poseidon is not Peter Wakefield Sault. That's just another sleuthing blunder to add to the long, hilarious list, I'm afraid. It's a pity that you "staked your credibility" on Poseidon being Debus, because now there's none to stake on him being Peter Sault.

You have failed to 'explain' the staggering amount of 'coincidences' that connect the Poseidon handle to Peter Sault.

How can he explain them except to say that they're coincidences? You already explained that yourself. Poseidon would be a fool to reveal his name when he's covered so well with all this Peter Sault shit. As long as people are barking up the wrong tree, he's got nothing to worry about.

A revised list of howlers is below.

PlanetQueer:

In reality, Poseidon is not Peter Sault.

The Fisk piece appeared at informationclearhouse.info. I was interested in the article mainly for the comments that it generated. The comments were very anti-Fisk. The commentS ranged from he was a shill to useful idiot. Of course there were some people defending him. Anyway, I want to see how far the debate had progressed and I could not find the article on the websites front page. I searched the website and found the article. Link enclosed http://www.google.com/custom?hl=en&client=pub-5174720432180771&cof=FORID...
HOWEVER THE ARTICLE LINK WAS REPLACED WITH THIS LINK:http://wordsea.com/fisk%20911.cfm?pt=2&rpt=1&kt=1
Basically Information clearing house had decided not to carry the article. I found that strange since it had generated over 200 comments. I also recently started researching Khazarian Royal bloodlines on Google and found that the search engine had return many hits that were dead and lead to this link http://q-find.com/%20Khazars%20kingdom.cfm?pt=2&rpt=1&kt=1
and the SAME TYPE OF WEBSITE THAT HAD REPLACED FISK'S ARTICLE ON INFORMATIONCLEARING HOUSE WEBSITE SEARCH GOOGLE. A search on Google for "Peter Kawaja wife deaths" yielded mixed results but still I found links to the ubiquitous website http://101links.info/rns/b-search/c-Peter%20Kawaja%20wife%20deaths/
I also want to mention that this link does not appear all the time but seems "random". Does anyone have similar experiences?

Orangutan featuresstates unequivocally that there are two reasons for this war: "allegations against Nina" and an alleged breach of the conditions I "obtained the email from Nina that was posted on the NOLAJBS forum by Suzette." That is what Monkey Meths of Mount Lawley said. Those are the Chimp's words, not mine. Linton must have been high on Amphetamines and Cannabis when he wrote that because at the that particular point in time as I had not received any e-mail from his darling Nina whatsoever.

False. The Nina email was sent to PlanetQueer on Wednesday, April 25, as evidenced by the date on the email.

From: J L
To: Webmaster
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 10:25 AM
Subject: Re: Quo Vadis = Donnie Darko

You broke the agreement by forwarding it to Suzette sometime before May 5, 2007, which is when she posted it on the NOLAJBS forum. Breaking a promise and then whinging about being "attacked" when you're called on it is pussy shit.

MonkeyZerg, I don't believe you're Nina or Fester or DBS or half the people on the internet, or deceptive in any way. PlanetQuo suggested to me that you were aligned with the "shills" because of your friends list, suggested that you were Nina because the two of you sign your comments with 'cheers', and stated that you bore "all the hallmarks of another of Nina's pseudonyms". Of course, Nina isn't a shill, and I doubt if any of your friends are either.

PlanetQuo and Michael kept giving me the impression that they had reams of "meticulously-researched" evidence. At one point, I considered that there was some possibility of their claims being correct. When no more evidence was forthcoming, it soon became apparent that TeamQuo were nothing more than nuts, timewasters and bullshitters. They have made so many blunders along the lines of person A is supposed to be person B and person C is supposed to be person D, that their opinions are entirely inconsequential.

The final solution to your own *plonk*, Dr. Petersault,
will make Hitlers' "Final Solution" look like child's play.

Back in the early Nineties, I was on some internet mailing lists where they used *plonk* to represent a particular user hitting a killfile, rather like fecal matter dropping into a toilet. And the term was commonly used on Usenet.

My initial post in this thread was germane to the topic on hand, and then TeamQuo jumped in with off-topic personal BS and absurd speculations about person A = person B in the absence of any credible evidence. The funny thing is that PlanetQuo even had the effrontery to say:

"The discussion here was all about Robert Fisk and 9-11 until you turned it into a crapfest."

Source

The same thing happened when I answered nobodaddy's call for someone to embed a video on another thread. (It was subsequently added to the top of the blog.) Within hours, the hecklers from the lunatic fringe of the movement had started to post off-topic personal attacks and insults.

In another thread, the usual suspects worked themselves up into such a lather that no less than four people - two of them women - were told to "go f*** yourself". And that was all within a single sentence of PlanetQuo's emotionally incontinent response!

This has happened time and again over the last few months. First PlanetQuo (Jim Kerr) attacked Crimes of Zion (Jamie Linton) when they had a disagreement, and spent the next few months attacking him here and on his website. Then Suzette (whippette) had the initiative to contact CoZ and apossumprincess (Nina), both of whom, in Kerr's twisted little fantasy world, were "Zionist agents". So Kerr attacked Suzette for "acting unilaterally", because he perceived her actions as a threat to his perverted world-view.

I had been corresponding with Kerr for a few weeks. He and Michael had been promising to come up with reams of evidence, the result of their "meticulous research", that would prove certain people were Zionist shills. When their promises came to naught, and I saw how Kerr had treated Suzette, I decided to tell Kerr I had concluded that his ideas were far-fetched and highly unlikely. This was the trigger for his attacks on me, such as the ridiculous claim that I am "Peter Sault".

I had noticed that around last Easter (early April), Kerr had written of the death of a family member, in his correspondence with Linton that Kerr had chosen to publish. When it got to the point where Kerr was attacking me and calling me a "Zionist shill", I decided I would try to be nice and try to help. At this point, I thought that TeamQuo were timewasters and bullshitters. I said I did not think that Kerr was a Zionist shill, or even a bad person, but he did have psychological issues, which could have been exacerbated by a tragic event such as the loss of a family member.

Of course, Kerr then went berserk, playing the death card as a means of attacking me by claiming I had deliberately used it to attack him. But TeamQuo proved my point when they confirmed that it had been Jim's father, and Jim reacted badly. This appears to have been the event that tipped Jim into the narcissistic abyss.

Kerr seems to be one of those types that, when you try to help them, they just turn it against you and claim it was an "attack". Over the previous year, his relatively cosy world-view would have been shattered as he learned about the evils of Zionism and the associated warmongering and terrorism. Then, around December to March, he got into an argument with Brendon O'Connell on an internet forum. Then his father died, after wasting away from cancer. So O'Connell, along with anyone who failed to lavish Kerr with sufficient praise and adulation, and half the people on the internet, were suddenly transformed into "Zionist agents" who were out to get him. He then concluded that the friends were never real friends after all, merely "bits of HTML code".

And consider how Kerr writes about how he is utterly ruthless in dealing with enemies, he gives no quarter, takes no prisoners, and makes no gender allowances:

Source

Yet Kerr starts crying like a baby as soon as someone suggests that bereavement just might have caused him some personal issues.

TeamQuo have shown that they are only interested in noise, heat and distractions, which is contrary to the purposes of this forum. Although I will still be aware of their posts, I am going to ignore them until such time as they can demonstrate their willingness to get back to fighting Zionism as opposed to each other.

To TeamQuo:

Hi everyone.

Wow, 2 days since I posted, and already all this. I never knew I garnered so much attention. Just a few comments on my part:

I hope that even though I have a different opinion of Fisk than most here, that that doesn't taint me as some pro-Fisk therefore pro-Zionist whatever. I agree with most of your arguments against Fisk, but not that we should drop him like Chomsky. My only reasoning behind this is not because Fisk has something to offer us, but because he has something to offer all the 911-blind people out there.

What I don't like is how very unforgiving we seem here. Poseidon showed many things that Fisk can be commended for, and PlanetQuo showed some that Fisk is wrong over, things that I disagree with Fisk. Can't we acknowledge both, and make the best of the situation? I'm a Bollyn supporter/promotor, I've linked to his works here and on myspace, but I can only reach so many using Bollyn. However, friends who dismiss Bollyn, and don't believe 911 alternative theories, are now thinking twice after seeing that Fisk hinself has questions. My whole point is that of tactics. I'm giving Fisk a chance until he proves himself to be a gatekeeper like Chomsky.

BTW, I've given talks to small groups about 911, and I always have to start with disclaimers disassociating myself from the likes of Icke, because that's what most people think of when you broach the question! So it's not surprising that Fisk does that.

PlanetQuo said:
"Fisk tells us nothing that we don't already know, and is actually working against the anti-Zionist movement by claiming that Islamists/Arabs were the perpetrators of the attacks. We don't need Robert Fisk - he is working against us. I find it incredible that as Palestinian Muslim, you are congratulating someone who has besmirched the good name of your Islamic brothers and sisters."

I felt I answered this in my previous posts. I agree that we don't 'need' Fisk. I agree he tells us anti-Zionists nothing we don't already know. However I disagree that he works against us. He's a reporter, he reports the official story of Arab hijackers, like nearly everyone else does, BUT he is the only mainstream reporter that simultaneously brought questions regarding these Arab hijackers and 911. So even if we don't need him, I personally find that I can 'use' him, not for your benefit, but for the skeptics I have to deal with in person that would otherwise not listen to my points. Let's agree to disagree then, why is it so incredible to you that I hold a different opinion?

Also, though I appreciate Poseidon's contribution regarding Fisk, bringing Bollyn and DBS into it was totally unnecessary.

Now onto me.

What annoys me is all the suspicions and baseless speculation that goes around, wasting people's time. If someone wants to know me, why
don't you just ask me?

Me and my 'peacemaking' self not only defended DBS because of what I consider insufficient proof that he's an agent, but I also reprimanded DBS for doing the same things to others. Same goes to all the talk surrounding Nina. Quite frankly, I'm tired of reading through tracts of info regarding internet personalities' possible motives, possible secret IDs, possible etc. Let's stick to sharing info, and supporting/refuting each other's arguments with facts/sources.

Here I'd like to thank Kats for putting up good posts essentially disagreeing with me, without making it personally about me. (Btw, I'll categorize Fisk in no.2 when I see more bad out of him, as I still see excuses for his major wrongs, eg he is not a holocaust scholar or historian and doesn't claim to be, he 'reports' 911, and now aired his questions!, I don't know enough about Hariri)

PlanetQuo, next time you're in Scotland, let me know, we may arrange to meet. Or just talk to me. Just to set the record straight, I am not Nina.

I am Palestinian. I am glad that you are amazed by my writing skills. I will take that as a compliment. Now, just how many other Palestinians do you know that write worse than me? I'm interested in where you got your idea about Palestinian literacy.
(Here's a hint, consider that many Palestinians grew up in English countries because of the diaspora, so can read/write English as well as any other. It's no big deal. Edward Said comes to mind.)

As to the whole MonkeyZerg/Majid Zak problem. Thanks QRSwave and Poseidon for supporting me on that one. PlanetQuo, you seem to call a lot of people using names I'm sure they didn't introduce themselves to you with (Pissodeion, for example). So why give me special treatment?
Just to let you know (and it's no secret) everywhere on the net I am known as MonkeyZerg EXCEPT myspace. Whether it be here, my email addresses, Anti-Neocons, Opposing Digits, even non-political pages like anime or fanfiction or whatever, I am MonkeyZerg. Google MonkeyZerg, and it'll all be me (except for a few weird east Asian sites, but then again you get a lot of Starcraft fans in Korea).

So why is myspace the only one I use Majid in? To be frank (and I've said this before) the only reason I joined myspace was because in early 2006, DBS encouraged listeners to make myspace profiles and link to TFC. I never heard of myspace before that, and thought that a silly name may be inappropriate for it. Thus Majid Zak. I thought people are supposed use names, I didn't expect to find so many myspacers using all sorts of handles. It was purely out of ignorance at the time.

So when I started posting on WUFYS, I reverted to MonkeyZerg. You'll find that my signature on other forums (eg anti-neocons) openly state that MonkeyZerg is Majid Zak on myspace. This ain't no secret, I'm not hiding my 'Majid Zak' ID. I just PREFER to be known as MonkeyZerg, as it is my UNIQUE internet handle since I BEGAN using the internet. So PLEASE use MonkeyZerg, because that's MY prefered name, and I hope you respect that.

BTW, is 'Orangutan' or 'Monkey Meths of Mount Lawley' referring to me? Or to Crimes of Zion? They both sound chimby to me. Or are you saying we are one and the same. A little clarification please. (I wonder who introduced himself as 'Orangutan' to you...)

Also, Poseidon, if you have any questions regarding me, please ask me directly. I don't like being talked about behind my back. I assume you are 'Steve'. Let me confirm that I am not Fester. So what if I use 'peace'. I also used to always say 'keep up the good struggle'. I attacked Masher for thinking we're all DBS. I think I've argued with you respectfully, I never knew you may have held similar views.

Another disclaimer: yes I am Nina's friend. I only got to know CoZ after I saw him defending Nina. That's when I added him on myspace and commented on his myspace page regarding Nina. I was Nina's friend for nearly a year, and though I stopped using myspace, I went back to ask her about the allegations against her at the time, and added CoZ as well. That's that.

(also, my myspace link is:
http://www.myspace.com/monkeyzerg
It's not like I'm hiding the connection between 'MonkeyZerg' and Majid Zak.)

"When I set up my website, I promised my family I would not reveal my personal details. I'm not going to publish merely on the say-so of some physically, intellectually and emotionally crippled forum stalker who has outstayed his welcome."

Saved your family a bit of embarrassment for a time didn't it?

So, Jim is a 'cripple' for having one arm?

If I ever bump into you I shall ensure that you fully empathise with the cripple's situation you humourless piece of theory.

This is a strange way of "keeping the personal stuff off WUFYS". But for PlanetClouseau's team, it's par for the course.

When I set up my website, I promised my family I would not reveal my personal details. I'm not going to publish merely on the say-so of some physically, intellectually and emotionally crippled forum stalker who has outstayed his welcome.

As for Kerr's website, it is worth visiting for a laugh now and again, but no one takes it seriously. There are a few copy and paste pages, which hardly requires much talent, and the front page is full of personal BS that is of zero public interest.

And as far as the email that Poseidon shared, I think it's not a good idea to share in public what others tell you in private, but I also disagree with what was said about MZ, who I know to be genuine and extremely intelligent.

I would not normally post the content of private emails without permission. However, Jim Kerr (PlanetQuo) announced on his website some weeks ago that he would be publishing every piece of correspondence he had received from me (and he has now published). This came about after I told him that I did not agree with his views about certain posters at this forum being "Zionist shills". So I pre-empted him by publishing our exchanges.

Of course, Kerr's suggestion, that MonkeyZerg was somehow deceitful, was absurd. I also fail to see why, if a poster prefers to be addressed by their chosen handle on this forum, some other poster insists on calling him/her by another name.

With characters such as Kerr, the normal rules of netiquette do not apply.

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http://carmenisacat.blogspot.com/

How ridiculous. More paranoia from the capital of paranoia.

I had the wonderful opportunity to hear Mr. Fisk speak at the German Evangelical mission in Verdun, Beirut. Great speaker...funny as hell.

He showed how the media alters HIS articles and media clips by presenting an original piece filmed in Palestine in which there were bull dozers, chickens and Palestinian landowners. The chicken sounds were edited out in order to jam up the volume on the bull dozers. He explained that his work is often syndicated and he doesn't always have "editorial control" after a piece gets to the editing room. The goal of editing out the chickens was to show how there are no "signs of life" in Palestine and the settlements are constructed on dry old land sans humans or their animals.

He then showed us various editorial cartoons in which he had been threatened.
In one particular case, he was portrayed as a "rabid dog" between two other characters. He said, "What do you do with a rabid dog?"

You...put him down. Quote unquote.

In other words he was threatened.

Not only not dirty but downright courageous.

But who am I talking to here?

Nevermind. Truth will set you free but only when you get to it.

http://carmenisacat.blogspot.com/

"If I were in Fisk's position, I would probably stay with the newspaper and expose as much as I could get away with whilst retaining the job, but also set up a website and post comments to forums under a pseudonym."

If a Allah fearing anti zionist comes to a site such as this and gets mistaken for a Zionist troll..then I think this advice is not only unwise but unfruitful.

The only people one can actually trust are people who are willing to give you their names. In writing.

Whow what a crab fest of confusion. But the chum tasted pretty good, sorry I have a different guy, I guess.
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Check your facts. Robert Fiske and Robert Fisk are two very different people. Fiske is an attorney and Fisk in War correspondent. Or am I missing something?

----------The Fiske Report.
Robert Fiske was the first Independent Council appointed to investigate the Whitewater scandal. For a variety of reasons, including his past association with BCCI (a failed bank involved with the laundering of drug money), Fiske was considered by many unsuitable to investigate the various failed S&L in the Whitewater affair (many of which also appear to have been involved with the laundering of drug money) and Fiske was eventually replaced by Kenneth Starr.
The Preliminary Report On Vincent Foster by Robert Fiske.

Note that Fiske's report was only preliminary. His final report on Vincent Foster remains sealed. When the Wall Street Journal filed a Freedom Of Information Act request to force the release of Fiske's final report, the court, in an unprecedented prior restraint, ordered the Wall Street Journal not to report on the case, or to even mention what the final ruling actually was.

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Whitewater scandal, and derailing the investigation of Bill and Hilary Clinton, who were eventually exhonorated. I think he was also involved in the Mena Arkansas drug running investigation. FISK IS DIRTY!
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this post devolved into a string of accusations and slurs.

why can't you people just read things at face value and be civil with each other?

MZ made a fair point - I don't agree with it entirely, but reasonable people can differ.

PQ why wouldn't you refer to him by whatever name he asks to be called? What if I changed my handle and asked you to call me only by my new handle? Would you object?

And as far as the email that Poseidon shared, I think it's not a good idea to share in public what others tell you in private, but I also disagree with what was said about MZ, who I know to be genuine and extremely intelligent.

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"Money" has no value - people do.