“We killed Jesus and we're proud of it!”

Hi Ellendra,

Sorry for not being nitty gritty regarding 'Jewish prophets'. I agree with you that I used an incorrect term that is popularly used. Moses, Jesus, and all the prophets in between that were sent to the tribe of Israel, can be described as being ethnically Israelite, and religiously monotheistic/God-fearing/etc. They weren't Jewish in the sense that Judaism is actually the religion based on the later teachings of the Rabbis, and not purely on the teachings of the prophets. That was my mistake totally, you caught me out.

As for Esau being the father of the Christians. If you're a Christian and have read the Bible and read all the stories about Esau, then its obvious he wasn't the 'father of the Christians'. Esau was Jacob's twin brother, and Christianity is based on faith, you don't have to be born Christian. Please realize that everything I was talking about in my comment was according to Judaic sources. It is Judaism that regards Esau to be the father of the Christians, which is something not supported by the Bible or by non-Jews. I was just pointing that out to explain why the Kabbalistic tract talked about Esau, Ishmael, then Jesus and Mohammed.

The Talmud says that the evil spirit of Esau entered Jesus:
"Furthermore, "In the secret books, which are not permitted to fall easily into the hands of Christians, they say that the soul of Esau came into Christ, that he was therefore evil and that he was Esau himself.""

Again, I'm not saying or agreeing with Christians being 'sons of Esau', just like I'm not saying or agreeing that Jesus and Mohammed are in hell.

You'll be surprised how often religious Jewish writers refer to the Biblical history of Esau, Jacob, and Ishmael, and say that these struggles continue today with Esau representing the Christian world, Jacob the Jewish world, and Ishmael the Muslim world. I've read these things many times over the years.

Here's just one example, from a Judaic article titled the Two Faces of Esau:

The entire history of confrontation between the Arab-Muslim, Western/Christian and Jewish worlds can be understood by tracing back to the roots of their conflict in Biblical times, the battles between Ishmael (father of the Arab/Muslim world), Esau (father of the Christian/Western world) and Jacob (father of the Jews) – as I discussed at length in my articles last year, following September 11th...

Many Jews use this lense to explain Christian and Muslim animosity to Jews as being something they inherited from biblical figures. It's poor little Jacob against 'hairy, cunning' Esau and 'wild, sword against the world' Ishmael.

I hope I made myself clear.

MonkeyZerg "'sons of Esau' generally refers to Christians. 'sons of Ishmael' generally refers to Muslims........"

Esau? Christians? I don't believe this. Are you sure you are not mistaken??

Seems to me that Esau is the ancestor or ADOPTED ancestor of the warmongering tribe KHAZARS. I mean if the Khazars had to adopt a religion, they sure made it clear they were taking on the sins of Esau right along with it!

Therefore, Esau was the father of the pharisees and saduecees. Those hateful, bad seed, wicked strain of "jews" that wanted to kill Jesus Christ.

What do you say, MonkeyZerg?

Ellendra Jane

What Jewish prophets? There were no Jewish prophets.

How do Moses, Abraham, and Jesus embrace judaism? I don't believe they ever did. They were not Jews. It is practically impossible.

Ellendra Jane

Thanks for the information, I was doing a little research on Talmud on the internet and found the book you cite.

Hoffman and Shahak both have said these things exist in the Talmud, and Zionists simply deny the existence of any such verses, I even went to a link at the ADL a adobe reader document there denied the existence of those verses, as Hoffman says they would. I think it is because of the language barrier, in English the Talmud is carefully translated without the 'offensive' verses present, and people like me can not verify the truth because we do not have access to nor do we speak the Hebrew language.

Saudi is a slave society, and the Saud family used the wahabi teachings and tribes it its fight against the Ottomons, instigated by the British.

The British, Israel and the US are all very good at divide and rule, giving support to rebels within a strong resistant nation to undermine it etc. It is really time that people woke up and stopped falling for it still.

Here's my translation of the verse in the Qur'an that says Jews were turned into apes (note I'm reading the original Arabic, translation of its meanings is not considered pure Qur'an):

7:166 But when they persisted doing that was forbidden, We (God referring to Himself in the plural of Majesty) said to them, 'Become apes, despised and disgraced!'

The previous verses talked about a story of a fishing tribe of Hebrews who weren't allowed to work on the Sabbath, but some of them broke God's commandment and went fishing on the Sabbath, and as punishment were turned into apes. There's all sorts of stories in the Qur'an of tribes/groups that get punished for their sins/disbelief/etc, this isn't unique.

But what you do get (and I've traveled in Arab countries) is that there are those who hate Jews or want to insult them, who use this verse to attack them as 'the sons of apes and pigs'. (Even though the Qur'an is also full of stories of good Jews, Jewish prophets, etc, as well as condemnation of Jewish transgressions and sins, etc) The Zionists, and those such as MEMRI, jump on these statements as proof of Arab anti-Semitism, but what they don't mention is that some Arabs started to attack Jews in such a bigoted way only recently inasmuch as they associate 'Jews' with the newly formed 'Jewish state'. Over there the conflict is seen as being between Jews and Arabs, there's not much awareness about Zionist Jews and non-Zionist Jews. But while the Zionists complain that Arabs here and there use this language in their anti-Israel propaganda, they don't mention Israeli political leaders defaming Arabs collectively as reptiles/cockroaches/amalek/subhuman/etc.

As for the Talmud and what it says about Mary, Jesus and Mohammad (peace be upon them). Allow me to quote, now that I have my sources:

Sanhedrin 106a: She [Mary, Jesus' mother] who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters.

Sanhedrin 43a: [Jesus the Nazarene] and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose of subverting Jewish worship.

Shabbos 104b: He learned witchcraft in Egypt...

Sanhedrin 107b: He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone, was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and refused to repent.

Gittin 57a says Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement".

The Zohar III, 282a (This is from the Kabbalah, not the Talmud):From the side of idolatry Saturn is called Lilith, mixed dung, on account of the filth mixed from all kinds of dirt and worms, into which they throw dead dogs and dead asses, the sons of Esau and Ishmael, and there Jesus and Mohammed, who are dead dogs, are buried among them.

'sons of Esau' generally refers to Christians. 'sons of Ishmael' generally refers to Muslims, and that's why the two founders of those religions are included in that order in this 'hell'. Note that this is from the Kabbalah that is being pushed as a cool new age spiritual pursuit for gentiles.

I got my quotes from researcher Michael Hoffman's 'Judaism's Strange Gods', a book studying Talmud and Kabbalah.

I spoke to Jewish historian Lenni Brenner a couple of weeks ago during an event, and asked about Arab persecution of Jews before and after the Zionist invasion of Palestine. Interestingly, he said that he's read all the books that he can find on Jews in Palestine (he didn't talk about other Arab countries), and has never found any systematic bigotry or persecution in 1200 years of history! As for the widespread Arab prejudice against Jews nowadays, its nearly all due to the Zionist crimes in the Arab world.

As for Saudi Arabia, they are puppets through and through who have sided with America and Israel against Palestine, Lebanon, Iraq, etc. They were installed for that role. (I mean, supplying weapons to anti-Palestinian militias in the 1980s Lebanese war, and condemning Hezbollah for defending its own country, how much more of a traitor-puppet can you get???)

As for all this talk about 'Wahhabi Islam', that's all bunk. Wahhab, the historical figure, didn't bring anything new to Islam, all he did was revive Islamic teachings. What we have now that's refered to as 'Wahabi Islam' is just 'Saudi Islam', and that has a lot of troubles with it, but what can you expect from hypocrites?

Leftfield.......

I don't care much for wahabi Islam. To me it's nonsense. Just like the 72 Virgins and the evil eye. But these are things zionists enjoy exploiting. So yeah, while the Talmud goes unnoticed [of the grotesque things it says about Jesus], Muslims suffer the exposure of items of "Islam" that aren't actually about Islam.

Saudi Arabia is a slave to the US and Israel. No doubt. Zionists love to say how the great and powerful S. Arabia is with all its oil and land compared to poor decrepit little Israel.

Nothing could be further from the truth. Much of that oil money goes to corrupt governments as well as finding its way back to the West. And this Saudi oil money in the west - a lot of it ends up in Israel.

Israel, with its powerful army, after all, they practice every day on the women, elderly, and children of Palestine and Lebanon, could wipe out Saudi Arabia very easily. The Saudis don't dare jeopardize their profitable trade with the USA and therefore, eventually Israel. Yes indeedy, Israel!

The Saudis follow a strict brand of wahabi Islam, and their books do say this.

The actual 'storm' is about a Muslim school here in the UK which sacked a teacher from their job (for whatever reason). The sacked teacher then reported the use of a Saudi text book with the offensive words inside. But it is true.

The Saudi society itself is a very strange one, it purports to abuse Jews in this way, yet Saudi elites do business with the Jews, allow them to invest in Saudi with hotel chains and other jobs. The Saudi elites also put their petro dollars into the jewish banking system which re-cycles them and loans them out at interest. So I find it a little puzzling.

I find it hard to believe that they abuse Jesus in the Talmud and not many Christians know about it and its not common knowledge? This should be well known by everyone and there should be no doubt. One Jew on the BBC boards outright denied any such verses in the Talmud.

He also denied that Flemming Rose the guy who printed the cartoons of Muhammad in the Danish paper is not Jewish, but according to James Petras author of the book The Power of Israel in America, he is a Ukranian Jew who is very pally with Daniel Pipes.

I wonder if they would object to the printing of anti-zionist cartoons in the freedom of expression. One cartoonist in New Zealand got fired for doing it in 2004.

Anyway the ones who are openly Zionist are marginally better than those who lie and hide their Zionism and Jewishnesses, though they always defend Israel and the Jews regardless and will often use insults and ad hominiem to hide behind.

Well I am not well-read in the Quran, so MonkeyZerg may know better about such references.

Still, as you can see, how the zionists play a blatant game of twisting facts. The just say things point blank and put an evil spin to it. Never caring to mention the reasons why, how, or when.

Lies of omission are another one of the usual tactics.

Just smash them back with their own game. No one deserves this better.

Well, in the Quran it never says this. As for books printed in Saudi Arabia that may say so [we have no evidence and they didn't offer], it is their lying and/or exaggerated words that play this game.

Just stick to your guns. What the khazar zionists see as truth is a different truth than what others see, believe and know. They could take a piece of some sentence and really turn it into absolute nonsense. Like Ellendra says, this isn't smart, it is manipulative and conniving.

I swear these zionists learn this at a young age, hence the video.

I'll give you an example.

On a blogsite, naturally a zionist was crawling about putting out its usual cache of manipulations.

Religion came up. There was a Lebanese Muslim on board this dialogue. The creepy devil tried to badger the Muslim into admitting that it was inherently evil that Muslims consider Jesus as the Son of God as blasphemy. Thankfully, the Lebanese Muslim didn't bite.

Now this tactic is used so many times to start up arguments between christians and muslims. This is one of many. This is used to cause hatred of muslims by the christians.

Of course we know the truth. Muslims really (and they shouldn't) CARE if Christians believe that Jesus is the Son of God. It's really not a big deal. The fact that gets left out is that Muslims revere the teachings of Jesus Christ and Jesus Himself. He is the Master prophet of all prophets. And Muslims would never slander, demean or undermine ANY of the prophets of God. Say this to a sick, twisted little zionist and they ignore you completely and go on with their pathetic badgering.

I swear they are taught to debate this way at a young age - I swear. I give them a head-ache telling them so.

Just use their own tactics against them. Use their own words and shove back down their throats.

Truly they are evil. There is nothing else to be said for them.

Furthermore, I was disappointed a bit with the Lebanese poster. He should have had a hell of a lot more teeth, armed with more facts, and mashed the hateful khazar back in its place.

This rarely gets done, unfortunately.

... in response to "Is it true the Talmud accuses Jesus of illegitimacy and other such things?"

Yes, it is very true, and there is much worse than accusing Mary of being a 'prostitute' (to put it politely.) I won't mention any worse ones now.

As for referring to Jews as 'monkeys' and 'pigs', that is plain old bigotry, but there are references in the Qur'an that people can extrapolate to make these statements. The Qur'an refers to a specific group of Hebrews who were turned into pigs and monkeys for a specific sin they committed, nowhere is there slander against Jews in general. The Qur'an also has stories about other tribes/groups that were destroyed/punished for different sins.

Very true.

I was reading the scotsman blog and I have to wonder how much of a sway the khazar zionists have over the administrators. Many good posts have been deleted for no good reason. According to the hysterical zionists it is all anti "you know what" - a joke played on everyone.

What is really creepy is some of them adamantly say they are NOT zionists. This is utter bullshit. Because if they aren't then why are they there spewing the usual filth of manipulations?

Of course some of them are proud to be zionists and say so. It's all the same decay.

I haven't visited that blog in a long time. But the zionists are hard at work there, mainly because they can twist the arms of the administrators. And that is the whole problem right there! When they know they can threaten people and people take them seriously, then those zionist khazars are absolutely vicious. They stop at nothing.

Is it true the Talmud accuses Jesus of illegitimacy and other such things?

I was talking to a closet Zionist on the BBC Islamic boards as it happens, where he was complaining that some books printed in Saudi refers to Jews as monkeys and pigs, and when I said Jews say much worse things about non Jews and Arabs he as usual diverted the discussion into irrelevancy and discussing the pope and whether criticizing the pope is allowed or not.

These Zionists can seriously damage your head and give you headaches just talking to them. And on the BBC forums we have to be very careful what we say because they can have you banned.

Thanks, MZ

This needs to get around for people to see with their own two eyes the culture of hate that now lurks in the promised land.

Feel free to do whatever you want with it, I just wanted to share it.
Peace,
-MZ

For some reason, I couldn't view this video from IE.

This is the first time I saw this!

Horrible! They are so vicious and hateful!

Mind if I change the title, add a transcript, and republish?

Also, we need to get another version of this video up that works with internet explorer.

Oh that video is just so typical of the little snots. Actually, there are no words to describe such hatred and venom. Unbelievable. The creep mentions God and Jesus in one of many sentences in such a twisted and bizarre fashion.

Why can't we put these videos as previews for movie goers in the USA and Canada?

Imagine the impact......