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The Jew, the Zionist, and the Bittersweet Symphony

I have come across this phenomenon too many times in the past from other blogs, as well as debates on TV. You can say "zionist" forever and "they" will reiterate a bit too dramatically that you hate Jews, REGARDLESS that one never says "jews".

It doesn't matter to them. Why should it matter to us? I can't see how the debate can be resolved, or any solutions be found with this kind of circus-act behaviour.

"Cause it's a bitter sweet symphony this life...
Try to make ends meet, you're a slave to the money, then you die.
I'll take you down the only road I've ever been down...
You know the one that takes you to the places where all the veins meet.

No change, I can change, can I change? I can change,
but I'm here in my mold.

I'm a million different people from one day to the next...
I can't change my mold.

Well I've never prayed,
But tonight I'm on my knees.
I need to hear some sounds that recognise the pain in me.
I let the melody shine, let it cleanse my mind , I feel free now.

But the airwaves are clean and there's nobody singing to me now.

Cause it's a bittersweet symphony this life.
Trying to make ends meet, try to find somebody, then you die.

We've got the sex and violence melody
...and silence

No change, I can change,
can I change? I can change,
but I'm here in my mold.

I'm a million different people from one day to the next...
I can't change my mold."

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Bittersweet Symphony
Oasis

Comments

you gotta say Zionist Jews, or even just Jews once in a while, as the idea that they're two different things is a lie. Zionism is mainstream Judaism.

Rhiannon, you gotta be joking me. It bemuses me that this 'debate' is ongoing.

you gotta say Zionist Jews, or even just Jews once in a while, as the idea that they're two different things is a lie.

It's not a 'lie', it's a simple fact. Let me demonstrate.

Here is a Jew that is not a Zionist:


and here is a Zionist that is not a Jew (give 'em a wave, Dick):


Given the status quo, it's accurate to say that we have a Jewish problem, but that doesn't change the fact that not all Jews are the problem, or that there aren't decent people working for Jewish human rights groups and Israeli peace groups, some that do a shitload more than we do here, I might add. It doesn't change the fact that there are anti-Zionist Jews who are just as anti-Zionist as we are, and therefore not the enemy. Neither does it change the fact that some of the most loathsome Zionist maggots on the planet aren't Jewish. Think James Woolsey, John Bolton, Glenn Beck et al, and John Hagee and his millions of evangelical crazies.

I by no means disagree with your valid point, but do probably take exception to your example. The fact that cheney serves or served on the advisory board of the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) speaks volumes, in my own opinion.


ANOTHER SECRET JEW SERVING ROCKEFELLER
AS VICE PRESIDENT OF
JEWISH STATES OF AMERICA,
FROM KHAYNEY FAMILY OF STOCKHOLM GHETTO


Dick Cheney wearing yarmulke at formal ceremony. He is another secret Jew.

ANOTHER PERFECTLY CONCEALED JEW, ......offspring OF Yiddish "Khayney" of Stockholm Ghetto.

Jew HunterBy Viktor Ivanov
http://www.exile.ru/178/178030000.html

More cleverly concealed is the most powerful man in America, Vice President Richard Cheney. Indeed, the name Cheney comes from old Yiddish, "Khayney" or "ankles." They grew up in the Jewish ghetto in Stockholm, which they ruled with an iron fist, but they tried to assimilate with the Christians.
Perhaps if Cheney and Rumsfeld, or ankles and crooked-saucepan, confess to their Jewishness, the world a safer place for ev
eryone, including the Jews whom they purport to represent.


DICK CHENEY WAS A CONSULTANT TO JINSHA

JINSA Behind Drive To Cover-Up Israeli Spy Scandal
Executive Intelligence Review News Service
1-6-2http://www.rense.com/general18/JINSA.htm

, the Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs. His colleagues at JINSHA were Zionist Jew, Richard Perle, Douglass Feith and many other Iraq-bombing-craze Jews. Any reason for Cheney to attach to a Jewish war monger institute?  Simply because he is a secret Jew.

http://www15.ocn.ne.jp/~oyakodon/doc4.htm#Is%20President%20George20Bush%20Jewish

I see your point bro: Cheney may as well be a Jew. You can tell that he worships Jews and wants to be one. He does serve on the JINSA advisory board, and it does speak volumes, but it doesn't tell us that he's Jewish. It just tells us that he's an arse-kissing Zionist bitch.

BENJAMIN FRANKLIN ON THE JEWS 

From the written records of CHARLES PINCKNEY of South Carolina, of the proceedings during the drafting of the Constitution in 1789 concerning the statement of BENJAMIN FRANKLIN at the convention concerning Jewish immigration.

(Original in the Franklin Institute, Philadelphia.)

"There is a great danger for the United States of America. That great danger is the Jew. Gentlemen , in whichever land the Jews have settled, they have depressed the moral level and lowered the degree of commercial honesty. They have created a State within a State, and when they are opposed, they attempted to strangle the nation financially as in the case of Portugal and Spain." 

"For more than 1700 years they have lamented their sorrowful fate, namely that they were driven out of the motherland; but gentlemen, if the civilized world today should give them back Palestine as their property , they would immediately find pressing reasons for not returning there. Why? Because they are vampires and cannot live on other vampires. They cannot live among themselves. They must live among Christians and others who do not belong to their race."

"If they are not excluded from the United States by the Constitution, within less than a hundred years they will stream into our country in such numbers that they will rule and destroy us, and change our form of government for which Americans have shed their blood and sacrificed life, property and personal freedom. If the Jews are not excluded, within 200 years our children will be working in the fields to feed the Jews, while they remain in the Counting House gleefully rubbing their hands."  

"I warn you, gentlemen, if you do not exclude the Jew forever, your children`s children will curse you in your grave." 

"Their ideas are not those of Americans. The leopard cannot change his spots. The Jews are a danger to this land, and if they are allowed to enter, they will imperil its institutions." 

"They should be excluded by the Constitution."

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This is actually taken from Node 1719.

Thank you, COZ.

And I am sorry to say that this debate of zionist / jew will go on.

Rhiannon

Whilst drafting the US Constitution, in 1789;
predictions for 100 and 200 years, nonetheless.

What are the lessons?

Learn about history, before it's repeated.

Recognise the difference between Truth, and not.

Now check out that counter on the right.

Yeah, the debate will always rage on. All I'm saying is that we might as well tell it like it is, even it takes that little extra bit of effort.

You can say "zionist" forever and "they" will reiterate a bit too dramatically that you hate Jews, REGARDLESS that one never says "jews".

It doesn't matter to them. Why should it matter to us?

Let's examine this reasoning. You go to a forum and complain about Zionism. People complain that you hate Jews. You decide that you might as well denounce Jews in general, because you'll get just as much flak no matter what you say.

The problem now is that you've been frustrated into making a technical error, unless it truly is all Khazars that you wish to complain about. Personally, I don't believe it's a genetic thing, since most Jews are just Turkik Mongols and would've had to evolve this evil genius in the space of only 1000 years. Certainly the Jews have acted as a parasite race, but I don't believe it's due to genetics, I think it's a social thing. This is what it comes down to, if we're going to assert that all Jews are the problem.

In any case, I think it's wiser to focus on Zionism as a political ideology and attack from there, but obviously your M.O is up to you.

 

All along, I have been telling it like it is and I have been making an effort do so.

I am not “attacking”. I am reacting.

You are talking about the Neturei Karta.  They hardly get any support – certainly not by other jews, their numbers are not great.   Zionist jews and jews who will not admit to being zionist [these jews usually don’t belong to the elite super rich crowd] still support israel whether they or we like it or not. Those two groups of jews are the majority of jews. Types like the Neturei Karta and the Neturei Karta itself fall into a small minority.

Never have I seen a people of so-called faith muddy the waters on their beliefs. Never have I seen such foggy, hazy lines of demarcation when it comes to religion, race, and atheism and evil all mixed together – every definition just bleeds into each other. Truth is not sacred, nor does it exist.

Atheist jew?

“Christian” Zionist?

Judeochristianity?

As for my M.O. I really don’t have one. I am simply reacting to obnoxious people -  zionist jews, jews who are mostly zionist  -  who with their ill-gotten clandestine behaviors and strategies are bent on destruction. I am reacting to words and actions based on lies, filth, and greed. 

Anything and everything is a technical error to them when you try to have a discussion with them about the crimes they have been and are committing on a daily basis.

So…for the most part: Jew=Zionist and Zionist=jew. 

That’s nobody’s fault but their own. And sometimes I can’t help but think they wouldn’t want it any other way. The laugh is on us.

But for how long?

Rhiannon

Atheist jew? “Christian” Zionist? Judeochristianity? Unfortunately, the overwhelming conclusion that I have reached is that most religious systems become corrupted and used are used to further the ends of a ruling oligarchy. Another shocking revelation is that most religions were invented/created to implant order. Jews have been making stories for a very long time. You can also add freemasonary to the list.

Relgions invented?  What religions and by whom?

The golden rule..."Do Unto Others"....Lav....has not been messed around with because you cannot mess with it. But people DO ignore the golden rule - a lot.

And   humans do indeed twist scripture to suit their fancies, as they choose to. That's where all the problems begin.  There are core teachings by God through the prophets that cannot be messed with but they are ignored.

Humans have their perceptions and they create their own hells by deviating away from the God core teachings by making up bogus terms and phrasings ...OR...they just see into scripture what THEY want to see, and they make people believe THEM.

This is what the prophets tried to say about Idolatry and false prophets.

Human perception is limited.

Rhiannon

God does not belong to any religion, God is not a member of any church, mosque, or synogogue.  It is fruitless to say the words "my God" as opposed to "your God".

One of our biggest downfalls is a belief in separation.

Rhiannon

#ff0000">So…for the most part: Jew=Zionist and Zionist=jew. That’s nobody’s fault but their own. And sometimes I can’t help but think they wouldn’t want it any other way.

Agreed. Most Jews are zionists – i.e. Jewish supremacists. That’s a fact.

There’s a disagreement between CoZ and me regarding the terms “zionist” and “Jew.” Coz believes (if I understand correctly) that we must be tactful and clever if we are to be heard. I say that no matter how tactful and clever we are, we will be attacked if we do not give blind devotion to Jewish supremacy. Our comments will be deleted if we post at large web sites, so why not be forthright here at WUFYS?

On the bright side, I’ve noticed a gradual increase in people’s willingness to discuss these issues at a few other web sites. For example, the web site http://www.commondreams.org is anti-corporate and anti-war, but reader comments show that people increasingly understand the nightmare that is israel.

#ff0000">The laugh is on us. But for how long?

The nightmare will continue until Western civilization collapses.

Only then will we have a chance to start over, free of enslavement to Jews.
 

Atheist jew? “Christian” Zionist? Judeochristianity? Unfortunately, the overwhelming conclusion that I have reached is that most religious systems become corrupted and used are used to further the ends of a ruling oligarchy. Another shocking revelation is that most religions were invented/created to implant order. Jews have been making stories for a very long time. You can also add freemasonary to the list.

LatinAmericanview | Thu, 2008-05-29 00:50
 
 

After seeing time and time "religion" being used as a POLITICAL OPPRESSIVE TOOL to MANIPULATE & EXPLOIT people.

I used to take "pride" that Buddhism is one of the few (if only) "religion" that has not be a "Tool" of the Elites....

....but not anymore.

See how "buddhist monks (wink wink)" have been BRAINWASHED.  Why the friggin' HELL would Buddhist monks resort to "ethnic division" (when they are "supposedly" adhere to non-attachment to worldly desires) and VIOLENCE (see http://anti-cnn.com for wielding knives, vandelizing, and killings)??????????????

????????????????? ----- Protocols of Zion ------ stir up religions and racial conflict, aka "clash-of-civilizations" 

Protocols of Zion ----- INDEED !!!

Now, I proudly pronounce I have NO RELIGION ---- no, it doesn't mean I'm atheiest, or that I believe in a maker, or that I don't believe there is a universal maker, or.... etc.

It means that I WILL NOT segregate and divide myself and others based on such SUPERFICIAL AND USELESS ARROGANT "BELIEFS" but will judge and respond to them as HUMAN BEINGS based on the THOUGHTS, ACTIONS and CONDUCT.

I will NOT let ANYBODY use "religion" as a tool to "control" me.  I REFUSE to succumb to defiling myself by being a goyim toy!

big-hearted people, loving people, unsung heroes who do not go to churches or mosques...or other religious temples.

They will not be condemned.  That is not how it works.  There is no vengeful or wrathful God.

And people who call themselves Muslims who commit horrible crimes, people who call themselves Christians who commit horrible crimes. these people can pray all they want, everyday.  They have their soul to answer to when their time is up.

Rhiannon

Coz believes (if I understand correctly) that we must be tactful and clever if we are to be heard. I say that no matter how tactful and clever we are, we will be attacked if we do not give blind devotion to Jewish supremacy.

You do understand correctly AZ, but I would add that the two positions aren't mutually exclusive. I believe both are true: that we should be clever with our approach, and that we'll always be attacked unless we give blind devotion to Jewish supremacy.

Our comments will be deleted if we post at large web sites, so why not be forthright here at WUFYS?

One thing I've never been accused of is not being forthright! I'm saying that we should be accurate, not that we shouldn't be forthright. People understand that the situation is complex, but insist on describing it in simple terms. This is where it goes all screwy.

If "antisemite!" didn't work for the Jews, we wouldn't hear it so much. All I'm espousing is that we make ourselves too slippery to get caught in that bullshit net.

I think a good example of the right approach is Walt and Mearsheimer's book. It was cleverly written as a scholarly work, and no reasonable person can seriously maintain that the writers are 'antisemitic'. Those that do look silly and petty right off the bat. The book was still attacked and condemned by Zionists like Alan Dershowitz, but it was taken very seriously and now it's being quoted left right and centre in the mainstream. I don't agree with Walt and Mearsheimer on the legitimacy of the holocaust, Israel's right to exist or the necessity of U.S. support for Israel - W & M are essentially Zionists - but I have to admire the knockout blow that their book was to the Lobby. It wouldn't have been anywhere near as effective if it was more easily dismissed as a product of antisemitism.

Come to think of it, it might not be a great example, given the underlying premise of the book (holocaust is real, Israel should exist, etc).

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They will not be condemned.  That is not how it works.  There is no vengeful or wrathful God.

I agree 100% with you here, Rhiannon. The idea of punishment and retribution from above has always seemed absurd to me. I believe that in reality there is no right and wrong, there is simply that which is. That which works, and that which doesn't work. I agree with Einstein that ethics is a human concern, not a Godly one. Ethics is a concern of the dualistic mind - right, wrong, good bad - whereas I imagine the higher reality of 'God' to be about oneness and the absolute.

God does not belong to any religion, God is not a member of any church, mosque, or synogogue.  It is fruitless to say the words "my God" as opposed to "your God".

One of our biggest downfalls is a belief in separation.

I totally agree here too. We're hardwired to believe in separation because of our identification with ego and the self. Again, oneness is the higher reality.

It is a very long trip to get there. I did a show pertaining to this topic. I hope you will listen.

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