If I did it I would do it to create a wonderful huge diverse family cuz I'm a real man and would take care of them... you dig? I'm gonna do a much more elaborate post on this subject with a book review on "The Female Solution" by Naimah Latif about this VERY issue
America is so hypocritical about this subject:
http://www.npr.org/templates/rundowns/rundown.php?prgId=2
All Things Considered, May 28, 2008 · Polygamy in the U.S. is not limited to remote enclaves in the West or breakaway sects once affiliated with the Mormon Church. Several scholars say it's growing among black Muslims in the inner city — and particularly in Philadelphia, which is known for its large orthodox black Muslim community.
No one knows exactly how many people live in polygamous families in the U.S. Estimates from academics researching the issue range from 50,000 to 100,000 people.
Take Zaki and Mecca, who have been married for nearly 12 years. In their late 20s, they live in the Philadelphia suburbs, have a 5-year-old son and own a real estate business.
Zaki also has something else: a second wife.
Two years ago, Mecca told her husband she wanted to study Arabic in the Middle East, which would mean a lot of time away from home. (NPR is not using any full names in this story because some of those we interviewed could be prosecuted for bigamy.)
"We were talking about it," Mecca recalls, "and the first thing that came to my mind was, 'I'm going to have to find you another wife!'"
Zaki was game. After all, he had been raised in a polygamous home in Philadelphia. Like many black Muslims, his father subscribed to an orthodox view of Islam that allows a man to marry several women. Zaki says he loved having seven siblings and four mothers, especially at dinnertime.
"I would find out who's making what that particular night. I know that this mom makes barbequed chicken better than my other mom makes fried chicken, so I'm going with the barbequed chicken tonight. Things of that nature," he says with a laugh.
Unlike Zaki, Mecca was raised by a single mother and converted from Southern Baptist to Muslim when she was 16.
Finding Another Wife
When it came to finding a second wife, Zaki said he had no one in mind, and he asked Mecca to conduct the search.
"You know, he gave me the baton, and I took it and ran with it," Mecca says.
Mecca launched a nationwide search. She found candidates by word of mouth. She scoured the Internet. Eventually, she interviewed about a dozen women.
"I had to make sure that she'd be the right fit — not just for my husband, but for our whole family," Mecca says.
But the ultimate match was right under their noses: 20-year-old Aminah, who was a friend of Zaki's younger sister. Aminah knew Mecca was looking for a second wife but thought she was too young. That is, until one night after a dinner party when Mecca pulled her aside. Mecca asked Aminah if she would consider marrying Zaki.
"And I said, 'That's funny, because I was thinking the same thing,'" Aminah says.
Zaki was the last to know the identity of the final candidate to be his bride. He could have vetoed the choice, of course, but he was delighted.
In October 2007, he and Aminah married in a religious, not civil, ceremony. Many polygamous marriages are conducted in secret and are not legally binding because state laws prohibit them.
Aminah recalls that Mecca helped prepare the wedding feast.
Aminah, who's finishing college, lives in an apartment a few miles away from Mecca's house. Zaki moves between homes on alternating nights. But every week after Friday prayers, they get together as a family.
"It can be a variety of things," Zaki says. "Going to a nice restaurant, catching a movie, going bowling, maybe seeing a concert. All kind of things."
"I always call it family date night, because it's one big date," Mecca says. "We just chill. I always look forward to it. We always have a ball, laughing, goofing around."
Treating Each Wife Equally
On a recent day, Zaki's attention is on Aminah. Riding the elevator to her penthouse apartment, he explains that it's Aminah's 21st birthday and he's taking her to New York to see a Broadway show.
"She has no idea what she's going to do today," he whispers. And so while Zaki's second wife is changing for a surprise trip, his first wife is getting the train tickets and making the arrangements.
"See, you got to work as a unit or it's very inconvenient otherwise," he laughs.
As Zaki hurries Aminah along, he says he will do something equivalent for Mecca on her birthday. Islam requires that the husband treat each wife equally. Zaki explains that doesn't mean he gives them the same things. For example, Mecca likes jewelry but Aminah doesn't.
But, he says, "If I upgrade one, then I have to upgrade the other. But the upgrade may not be the same because you have two different women with two different tastes."
They've worked out a system. Even still, why would a woman want to share her husband?
"Well, I'm looking at it more as a spiritual perspective," Mecca says. "Zaki is a blessing — just like everything else. He is a loan from God, is the way I look at it. And in my religion, if he's able and capable to [marry another wife], I wouldn't want to hold him back. So, why not?"
She acknowledges that there have been "a few bumps in the road." But she hasn't once second-guessed sharing Zaki with Aminah.
As Mecca speaks, Aminah nods in agreement.
"I might have certain feelings when my husband walks out the door and I haven't seen him all day, but I know his responsibility is not only to me. And the respect I have for my co-wife, all that plays a role in how I handle my emotions," Aminah says.
'Two, Three, Four'
Zaki believes ultimately, polygamy is good for society — especially in the inner city, where intact families are rare and many kids grow up without their fathers.
"There are a lot of blessings in it because you're helping legitimize and build a family that's rooted in values and commitment. And the children that come out of those types of relationships only become a benefit to society at large."
Many orthodox Muslims agree. You can find them on Fridays at a mosque in South Philadelphia.
The congregation that has gathered in a slim townhouse is largely African-American. The rules are orthodox, and the prayers (if not the sermon) are in classical Arabic.
Abdullah, the imam, has conducted religious ceremonies for a dozen polygamous marriages.
Abdullah says polygamy in Islam dates back to the 7th century, when battles were killing off Muslim men and leaving widows and children unprotected.
As a result, Abdullah says, the Koran specifies that a man can marry "women of your choice: two, three, four, and if you fear you cannot be just, then marry one."
"And so, a lot of scholars look at it sequentially," he says. "Two is optimum, then three, then four, then as a last resort, one!"
A Shortage of Men
And while polygamy may seem like a man's paradise, Abdullah says, often an unmarried woman initiates it.
"Sometimes a woman may be interested in a man, but he's off limits. That's not the case in Islam. Does he have four wives? No? Then he's still available."
That's how Abdullah met his second wife. A divorcee, she heard Abdullah preach a few sermons and approached his wife to ask if he would be interested in a second wife. Soon she married Abdullah and now the imam cares for two families — with 13 children and another on the way.
The single women at the mosque say polygamy is a fact of life. But it's not their first choice.
"Every woman has a preference to be the sole wife," says Aliya, echoing the sentiments of the others. Aliya is a 28-year-old single woman who is finishing up a master's degree. She says that South Philadelphia in the 21st century is a little like Arabia in the 7th century. There is a dearth of men to marry.
"We're dealing with brothers who are incarcerated — that is, unavailable," she says. "And then unfortunately, you have the AIDS and HIV crisis, where HIV has struck the African-American community disproportionately to others. So when you look at it that way, there is a shortage."
Shaheed's Story
With this numerical advantage, some men collect wives for the sex. But some men also marry out of altruism. Consider 43-year-old Shaheed, who is married to Alieah.
Fourteen years ago, his friend died. The friend's wife, Nadirah, was 30 and expecting her third child. That brought her to Shaheed's attention.
"When we came to the grave site — I remember it as if it were yesterday — what stuck out was that her demeanor was so calm," Shaheed says.
Nadirah is an elegant, contained woman. After becoming a widow, she decided the only way she would marry again was as a second wife.
"At that point in my life, I was used to being alone," she says, running her household as she liked, "as opposed to constantly being with someone and attending to someone else's needs."
She accepted Shaheed's proposal. But she quickly saw the tricky relationship was not with Shaheed. It was with his wife.
"We met, and we had dinner, and we had lunch and we went out and shopped and did different things at that point. As the marriage got closer, I think she was more apprehensive and more unnerved by the pending situation."
"I remember me telling him, 'Please don't go,'" Alieah says. "He's like 'What do you mean? The wedding is today, you're telling me not to go today?' I'm like, 'Just don't go!'"
Alieah, who is 40, says she considered Shaheed's commitment to a widow "noble." Afterward, however, she considered divorce. She eventually decided she did not want to start over. After two years of misery, Alieah says, she had a spiritual epiphany.
"I literally just got up one morning and said [to God], 'OK, this is what you want me to do. I'm going to handle it in a civil manner, and I'm going to do X, Y, Z about it,'" Alieah says. "And from that point on, it was the strangest thing, because it never bothered me anymore. I never even thought about it."
The family began to operate like a well-oiled machine and a model of polygamy in their Muslim community. Shaheed runs his own security company. Alieah teaches first grade, and Nadirah home-schools some of the family's 10 children.
"We really depend on each other," says Nadirah, who considers Alieah a friend.
What About the Heart?
There are benefits to polygamy for the wives, Nadirah says.
"She could fill something that even a husband couldn't fill. It was a cross between a sister and a friend and a co-worker," she says. "You have a cushion or a help that you didn't have before."
At first, the two families lived in separate homes. Now Shaheed, his two wives and nine of his 10 children live in one house. Each wife has a bedroom on a separate floor, but everything else is communal, including cooking and eating. Shaheed says it's not easy to treat his two very different wives equally, but he tries.
"I'm not going to be overly affectionate with this one as opposed to this one out in the open," he explains.
And what about controlling his heart when it comes to these two women?
"That's something that you can't really control," he says. "But materially, you want to do that as adequately as possible."
For her part, Alieah is philosophical about love.
"You cannot blame someone for where their heart lies."
Did she have a sense of whether her husband was falling for someone else?
She pauses.
"It really didn't matter," she eventually answers. "I just knew he had someone else in his life, and it wasn't me."
Alieah says polygamy isn't easy for either wife, though she believes it is harder on the first.
"The second wife is receiving something, where a first wife will feel that something is being taken away from her," she says. "I mean, I'm devoted to you for my whole life, but you're only devoted to half of my life."
Alieah's youngest child is 4 years old. Her oldest — a 17-year-old daughter — says she's had a happy childhood in a polygamous family. But she hopes she won't have to share her husband with anyone else.
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My mom would LOVE for my dad to have a second wife.
Only there is ONE CATCH: She gets the house and the bulk of the bank account. Daddio can have his sweet Lorelei for the rest of his life in a nice, tiny, cozy bachelor apartment, utilities not included.
thanks for sharing, khanverse!
Sharing - get it? lol
It's better to commit to more than one than it is to cheat and be truly commited to neither.
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"Money" has no value - people do.
I agree with QRSWave. Don't take it personally Rhiannon, noone's forcing your parents into polygamy.
I don't get why polygamy is a crime, where both wives agree and are happy to share one husband, and he takes care of them equally. Why is that illegal as opposed to a guy cheating on his wife, having kids from more than one girlfriend, leaving single mothers in his trail with no responsibility to any?
i want 6 husbands....no...8.
I have lots of uses.
What I suspect that Rhinannon is resisting to is the destruction of a long established evolutionary stratagems namely the nuclear family. The harem system is a very good way to break the traditional contract. If you would like to get some insight then you might want to read about who the Assyrian Assassins would breakdown there members using the shared wife concept and drugs-pot. The destruction of the family unit is essential to the one world religion and government plot.
Unless you were some sort of masochist, why would any man want more than one wife??? The prospect of the gang naggings alone is enough to terrify any sane individual.
Exactly. Watson has done it again!
I had a long comment sitting on a document but I didn't want to put it in right away...
What Claymore just said is exactly [well not word for word] what I had written in one sentence in this comment:
#000080">A couple of wives are quite a TALL order. Can a guy handle them?
Heh heh heh heh heh....
Khanny baby, you go for the gusto! In a few years you will be at the pharmacy buying up all kinds of cold remedies ...to get high...to block out your suffering.....LOL!
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MonkeyZerg you got it all wrong. Why would I take this personally?
No....seriously....let's see:
I need a carpenter [I could use some extra shelving], a mechanic [my car is on the blink again], a chauffer [that damn car again], hmmmm massage therapist...nice! Or maybe a gourmet cook. Men do dominate the kitchens in restaurants.
What a shame! Complaints will always be reserved for women with multiple husbands.
Interesting.
Yes, I think I could handle them?
Why?
Look around you, single parent homes creating devastating communities where kids don't know how to behave and sexual experimentation instead of committed marriages leaving even MORE broken homes..
I would do it to give another woman a great man who will take care of her and another friend who will take care of her kids and split the household duties with her instead of this woman trying to be both man and wife to a adolescent going crazy..
http://www.khanverse.com/phorum
I was waiting for the zionist-owned media to exploit the Texas polygamy raid, by saying Muslims are evil because they practice polygamy like the fundamentalist Mormons. And sure enough, the zionist-controlled NPR did it (albeit indirectly) as we see in the post above.
Orthodox Jews can have up to four wives, but the Jewish-owned media ignores this fact. The Biblical figures of Abraham, Jacob, Esau, Moses, David, King Solomon, etc all had countless wives and concubines – but that’s okay because Jews are “Chosen.” In fact, nowhere in the Hebrew Bible is monogamy established as a rule or even a desirable principle.
In addition to zionist control, I see another factor that led to the Texas raid on April 3rd – a factor that contributes to the West’s hatred of Islam.
I refer to insecurity among average Western males.
In all social species, including humans, females naturally form harems around alpha males – i.e., they gravitate toward the richest, most handsome, and most socially powerful males. Since most human males are not alpha males, they must live with sexual frustration, and they fantasize about having their own harem of concubines (sex slaves). Their frustration causes hostility toward women.
Therefore I think the April 3rd Texas polygamy raid was (in part) an expression of this hostility shared by average males. The (mostly male) police punished the women in the Texas “harem” by taking their children from them. CPS even invented a false claim by a non-existent woman that she had been sexually abused. In this way, males were allowed to use “one treacherous bitch against those treacherous harem bitches.”
Men know that the worst punishment they can deal to a woman is to take her children away. Indeed, a growing number of state prison systems (six so far) allow female inmates to keep their newborns in their cells for up to 18 months. However, when women form a harem around alpha males, then average males punish the women severely. And since average males see the offspring of alpha males as a threat, they think nothing of whisking away 462 minor children and dumping them in a San Angelo auditorium, and in a military barracks at Fort Concho.
Sometimes average males attack alpha males too. For example, in 2006, Warren Jeffs (leader of the Fundamentalist Mormon Church) was put on the FBI’s Ten Most Wanted List, along with serial killers, global terrorists, and so on. Jeffs was arrested in 2007 and convicted of being an accomplice to rape for performing a wedding between a 19-year-old man and his 14-year-old cousin.
This insecurity among average Western males explains why the males agree with zionist propaganda that Muslim men, women, and children must be murdered in order to “save Muslim women.” The average Western male, being a total wimp, fantasizes about being a “knight in shining armor.” Such fantasies are pathetic, and have caused over a million people to die in Iraq, Afghanistan, and elsewhere.
(Average males make exceptions if an alpha male is too rich to take down. For example, when nubile young females surround a billionaire, the average male can only sit in envy.)
Anyway, back to the Texas raid, the “Yearning for Zion Ranch” is only one part of the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (there are branches in eight other states). However, average Texas males are very insecure, and therefore very hostile toward women.
Granted this is a very simplistic view of the raid – but I think it was one factor.
There were other factors of course. The Southern Poverty Law Center pushed for the Texas raid. The SPLC, being controlled by zionist Jews, panics when it sees any group of Gentiles displaying solidarity, especially when the group lives outside Jewish-controlled mainstream society. Hence the Ruby Ridge fiasco in 1992, the Waco siege in 1993, the false-flag Oklahoma City bombing in 1995, and so on. In fact, the order for the Texas raid was issued by Judge Barbara Walther, who I believe is Jewish.
Also, the mainstream Mormon Church endorsed the Texas raid. Mainstream Mormons (who stopped practicing polygamy in 1890 because average non-Mormon males wouldn’t tolerate it) hate their fundamentalist offshoot. Mainstream Mormons say their own male church members must wait until they’re dead to have their Mormon harem of sex slaves.
Despite these political factors, I maintain that general male insecurity played a role in the Texas raid, and that this insecurity has been around since before zionists took complete control of the USA.
In 1953, for example, 102 Arizona state police officers and National Guard soldiers raided a fundamentalist Mormon compound in Short Creek, Arizona. The entire community of 400 people was imprisoned, plus 236 children, many of which were permanently separated from their parents. The governor of Arizona, John Howard Pyle, called the raid "a momentous police victory against insurrection."
The incident was drowned out by the cease-fire in Korea. Seven years later, in an effort to blot the affair from the history books, the Arizona government renamed Short Creek to Colorado City.
Today the fundamentalist Mormons once again have a compound there. Perhaps they are next on the hit list.
You bring up a good point that is oft ignored about the jealousy of the broke young males. I have heard that in primitive societies, it is a major factor in rape cases because the young males have no other way of procuring females.
The other outlet for bachelor males, which is suppressed, is prostitution, the world's oldest profession right along with soldiering. Actually, prostitution and soldiering are gender mirrors of themselves as far as I'm concerned. Both offer their bodies for destruction to those with more social power than themselves.
In the Fundie LDS cults, and they are a classic cult, the young males are kicked out as soon as they start to court females, unless of course they are a favored son who is given one of the girls. It's all really incestuous and very unhealthy - kind of like the Rothschilds or the germanic so-called british royals.
So what about the fact that the initial call on the Texas compound was made by an Obama staffer on Oklahoma? What was that all about? Campaign distraction? Gay marriage flack deflector? Crazy white cult vs. Obama's church problems?
I'll be interested to hear your take on that.
AZ - ".....when nubile young females surround a billionaire, the average male can only sit in envy."
Yeah...that's gotta be rough. Then there are the creative guys that like to pull stunts to while away the time. At least they are not bored.
Here we have a jewish play, Solomon's 700 wives that glorifies Solomon's having 700 wives, (and 300 concubines). Can you say double standard?
Of course Solomon was the offspring of David's lust for Bethsheba, the wife of Uriah the Hittite captain. David had Uriah ordered to the front of the battle so he would be killed in order that he could have his wife Bethsheba. Classic goys for cannon fodder move, just like the Iraq invasion!
I appreciate your good intentions. And I do see MonkeyZerg's point, although it seemed as if I didn't. I understand the hypocrisy in North American marriages when it comes to cheating.
But your story is based in South Philadelphia. Is polygamy legal? I don't think it is. Is sharia law instated to protect the rights of Muslim people should they seperate? I don't think so. What happens when one of the women wants a divorce? What kind of a mess will that be?
Will the courts help?
According to Islamic Law the potentialities of divorce and financial support settled prior to the marriage will ensure she is taken care of if either of the parties feels seperation is necessary. In "legal" documents in the US where such a tranparent designation of "wife" is limited to one person, an alternative name can be used (mistress) or even the name of the lady her self.
The kind of people who do this with noble intentions would certainly wish to settle any and all disputes with the least amount of strife and public humiliation as possible.
The institution safeguards marriage because it allows every woman who is desirious of a "good man" to have one without unduly straining existing marriages to satisfy desires, sexual or otherwise, by engaging those married men.
It prevents women from competing for a depleting resource, IE, "good men" who take care of women and children and provide stalwart morally, physically, spiritually, emotionally, and financially responsible and respectable models of righteous behavior for a husband and father who is the leader of his family.
When women compete, they will give sex in order to attain (more aptly, "entrap") such a man, resulting in chaos in the society and inadvertenly teaching men they are don't have to be responsible for raising good children and taking care of women in order to fulfill the lower desire of sexual intimacy.
This is essentially the problem in America and many western societies... This is also why Europeans fear "Islamicization" and the reduction of their own population relative to the muslim communities. Muslims still largely create nuclear families while Europeans and Americans do not.
This is the panacea to a lot of innercity problems which spill over into problems for all strata of American culture.
Naimah Latif, author of the "Female Solution" who belongs to our (Ahmadiyya Muslim Community's) Chicago jam'aat has wonderfully elaborated on all these issues in her book, which I will review shortly:
http://khanverse.com/news/2008/03/the-female-solution-naimah-latif.html
http://www.khanverse.com/phorum
Two items:
#ff0000">1) Prostitution and soldiering are gender mirrors of themselves as far as I'm concerned. Both offer their bodies for destruction to those with more social power than themselves.
Hmmm…I don’t see prostitutes as victims. I see them as enjoying a great scam. A woman can make a couple hundred bucks by lying a few minutes on her back. This is not “victimhood”; it’s a lucrative racket.
When men call prostitutes “victims,” men are again pretending to be knights in shining armor. They are exposing their insecurity, which has progressed so far that several European nations officially regard prostitutes as “victims.” Police in those nations (e.g. Sweden) no longer arrest prostitutes themselves. They arrest male clients, fine them, and split the fine with the prostitute, who already collected a generous fee from her male client. Now prostitutes can finger their Johns and collect double.
I say away with this male neurosis. I say let’s normalize and de-stigmatize prostitution, and tax it like any other service. If men had easier access to sex, then men wouldn’t obsess on sex (since humans lust after what they can’t have).
Likewise, if pornography were no longer “naughty,” its revenue would be cut drastically. One reason why men look at pornography is that it’s forbidden. Show me a man who says prostitutes are “victims” and pornography is evil, and I’ll show you a man who masturbates morning, noon, and night.
The way things are now, men can legitimately get sex only through marriage. Instead of paying a couple of hundred bucks to a prostitute, a man must pay a couple hundred thousand dollars to buy a house, a car, etc. for wifey, and also pay child support when wifey (his live-in prostitute) divorces him. This is the price men pay for their neurosis, and their pathetic pretense of “protecting” woman.
But wait…it gets worse. There’s a new Israeli law saying that every act of intercourse between man and woman is essentially coercive (i.e. rape), and if a man and woman are employees of the same company, then it’s automatically harassment, even when the woman consents to the affair. I read about an Israeli couple that had a relationship for years, having sex everywhere from the company's janitor closets to its computer center. When the relationship soured, the woman brought a complaint for harassment, and walked away with a cool hundred grand.
A newer Israeli bill will fine every customer of a prostitute ten thousand shekels, which will be handed over to the prostitute, as occurs in some parts of Europe. Prostitutes have it made.
And now we have this Texas raid. In American society, polygamy is “bad,” but sodomy (homosexuality) is good. “Homo-phobia” is bad, but poly-phobia is good. Men may bugger nubile boys, but they may not ogle nubile girls.
I’m not championing polygamy. I’m saying the USA is a nation of sex-crazed, gender-confused psychopaths. American males can’t get their rocks off through a loving relationship with a woman, so they blow people away in an endless quest for the ultimate gore-gasm. No wonder American society is so warlike, and so vulnerable to zionist indoctrination. The zionists are masters at spreading mental illness, since they’re so fucked up themselves. Have you ever considered the ideas of Freud from a calm, neutral standpoint? He was one perverted Jew, replete with the standard Jew obsession on scatology, incest, and so on. Male weakness has us swimming in filth like this. Consider the paintings of that Spanish Jew Picasso. It’s utter garbage -- or as the National Socialists said, it’s “degenerate.”
Meanwhile women exploit male illness, and suck it for all the money that can get. For example, prostitutes love to be called “victims.” Otherwise they might have to pay taxes – or worse, reduce their fees. Or worse still, men might start thinking of sex as “no big deal,” in which case, power between men and women would be equalized. (Oh the humanity!)
#ff0000">2) So what about the fact that the initial call on the Texas compound was made by an Obama staffer in Oklahoma? What was that all about? Campaign distraction? Gay marriage flack deflector? Crazy white cult vs. Obama's church problems? #ff0000">I'll be interested to hear your take on that.
I don’t think there was any intrigue involved. The mysterious caller was Rozita Swinton, a 33-year-old black woman in Colorado Springs who has a history of making malicious prank calls. Swinton, an insurance company employee, is also listed on the El Paso County Democratic Party's website as her neighborhood precinct's delegate to the Colorado Democratic convention last month, supporting Obama.
Was her call somehow connected with the Obama campaign? No, Swinton is emotionally disturbed, and extremely selfish. She pulls off hoaxes to get personal attention, and her malicious pranks have landed her in jail before.
In June 2005 she called 9-1-1, plus an adoption agency, claiming she was a teen mother named “Jessica.” She said she was considering suicide and dumping the baby at a fire station. Police were mobilized. When they tracked down Swinton, they arrested her for a false alarm. The court sentenced her to one year, but jail was deferred.
While out, she called 9-1-1 in Colorado Springs again (October 2007), claiming to be a "Dana Anderson," a teenager being abused by her pastor at Colorado Springs' New Life Church.
Another time she said she was being drugged by her father.
In February 2008 she phoned 9-1-1, called herself “Jennifer,” and said she was locked in a basement by her sexually abusive father. Again the police were mobilized. Again they arrested her, and released her.
The following month, she called 9-1-1 posing as a 13-year-old student being sexually abused by her teacher.
That same month, she heard about Flora Jessop, an ex-member of the Mormon cult who runs a “rescue mission” in Phoenix AZ for teenage girls trying to escape the cult. Swinton in Colorado phoned Jessop’s hotline in Arizona, called herself “Sarah,” and claimed to be a prisoner of the cult compound in Texas. Jessop recorded 40 hours of phone calls from this “Sarah.”
When Jessop began to suspect that “Sarah” was a fake, “Sarah” (Swinton) called the Texas “Family Protection Services,” who wanted an excuse to raid the YFZ compound anyway. (The Texas Health and Human Services Commission says state taxpayers will pay at least $21 million to care for the cult’s children over the next year.)
Jessop handed her phone recording to Texas Rangers, who traced the calls to Swinton.
On April 16, Colorado Springs police arrested Swinton, accompanied by Texas Rangers, who searched Swinton’s apartment.
I believe Swinton is still in jail. Texas state authorities don’t want her talking to the media. They’re embarrassed enough as it is.
"The way things are now, men can legitimately get sex only through marriage. Instead of paying a couple of hundred bucks to a prostitute, a man must pay a couple hundred thousand dollars to buy a house, a car, etc. for wifey, and also pay child support when wifey (his live-in prostitute) divorces him. This is the price men pay for their neurosis, and their pathetic pretense of “protecting” woman."
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Thank God, I am not married! NOPE! Can't accuse me of being a prostitute. My sister, cousins....some friends of mine: we are all proud to say that we are not prostitutes!
Amen.
I do know some former prostitutes! My...I had no idea! I will have to ask them again of their experiences...such a brand new light dawning.....I didn't know.
My aunts...oh my.
My mother!
Goodness! I never knew I was a child born of a slut.
EGADS! God forgive me of my sins!
"American males can’t get their rocks off through a loving relationship with a woman, so they blow people away in an endless quest for the ultimate gore-gasm."
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Charlie had a bevy of women. Young nubile pretties! Seriously, he did. These girls were all intelligent, slim, some of them quite beautiful...except for that strange patricia krenwinkle...but she was smart.
Charlie had lots of sex with lots of girls - a proven fact. Quite a female cult he had going.
That still didn't stop him from hacking off some guy into nine pieces. And that still didn't stop him from committing other murders. Lots of great sex, in various positions did not stop Charlie...and the guy never married.
Wait a min....is it marriage that makes a man commit senseless murder or is it not being married that make a man commit murder.
Gee...I forget.
Khanverse, old boy...I must hand it to you! You sure have a way of making grand entrances! Your posts sure do open up the senses and free up all the garbage....... like a surgeon yanking out the tumor.
Kudos to you Khanverse...kudos. If you are wondering if I am being sarcastic....I am not.
"Meanwhile women exploit male illness, and suck it for all the money that can get. For example, prostitutes love to be called “victims.” Otherwise they might have to pay taxes – or worse, reduce their fees. Or worse still, men might start thinking of sex as “no big deal,” in which case, power between men and women would be equalized. (Oh the humanity!)"
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Well! That's it! Somebody...please tell me where I can get a sex-change operation. I am in dire need of one. Suddenly I feel too powerful for my own good...as well as all slutty and dirty.
The female apparatus must go.
Does anyone know of a good jewish surgeon?
Nah....never mind...I think my cousin lives across the street from one....horrors!!!!
..it's the LiE that hurts the most..
..where would you draw the line? 2 wives? 4? over 10? It's a slippery slope of sexual deviancy, to have polygamy. Perhaps they'll have huge orgies next, and invite the ant-hill of clones!
9 months preggo? No prob; there's a sanhedrin for that too!
Whilst i don't like the idea, this falls into the category of people's personal choice, and should not be mandated by law. All the other laws concerning abuse, especially of children, are the important ones.
Prohibition of prostitution is the most hypocritical thing, and makes the problem much worse, as it is someone's right to sell their own ass; man, woman or gelgamek.
Thanks for your comments. They made me smile. I wrote my comment above with tongue in cheek—but I do think the vilification of prostitutes is hypocritical, and a product of male neurosis. My real target was not women, but males that harbor violent “knight in shining armor” delusions, and males that condemn prostitutes.
Sometimes this condemnation occurs through insults, as when men refer to a prostitute as a “whore.” Sometimes it occurs through self-righteousness, as when men refer to prostitutes as “victims.” All of this is a product of male neurosis, in my opinion.
On a national level, this neurosis makes people say the USA must bomb Muslims to “save Muslim women.” If the USA is “concerned” about the “plight” of Muslim women, then perhaps the USA could start by not killing those women.
Anyway, perhaps you’ll agree with me that relationships between males and females in Europe and North America are messed up, and getting worse. These difficulties help zionists, who always work to break up solidarity among the hated Goyim. They also help elitists, since divisiveness keeps the peasants down.
Here’s an example of how zionists keep Goy men and women at each other’s throats…
So far, four U.S. states have mandated that men must give up casino winnings if their ex-wives say they are owed child suport. In Colorado the measure was pushed by Joel Judd, a zionist Jew in the state legislature. The new laws affect not only casinos, but video poker bars, which will also seize fathers’ winnings. West Virginia has about 1,600 video poker bars. All fathers who use casinos and video poker machines in West Virginia must provide full personal information before they gamble, thus opening up a whole new realm for identity theft. How will any of this improve relations between men and women?
One other thing…my sister works in a law firm, and insists that divorce courts always burn men severely. I agree, but only regarding males in the middle and lower economic classes. Among the rich, women get burned in divorce, since rich males have money to hire private investigators, plus psychological assessments, and whatever else they need to vilify the wife. Rich males use and discard women.
Regarding my take on women forming natural “harems” around “alpha males,” this view is not romantic, but a reality check can keep people from getting needlessly hurt by delusions. Anyway I don’t condemn women for their desire to have “alpha males.” It’s nature’s way, and occurs in all social species.
You also mentioned your parents and family. That’s a whole different ball game, because it involves authentic love.
Some of the time, anyway. :-)
I agree with everything you say above.
Thanks for the Neil Young tunes. I'm fond of them. I've seen Neil on talk shows. He's firmly anti-war (as I am).
..and i have yet to hear the radio play anything off of it..
Aw Grim...You GOT me! I love cinnamon girl & harvest moon. Cinnamon girl is an old blogger name of mine from another site.
I agree....prostitution should be legalized.
Remember on my Anna post when I told you how the police never take prostitute murders seriously and how serial killers move up to women who are not prostitutes, therefore, more of a challenge?
If we would have legalized prostitution I believe there could be more of a crackdown on serial murders, and there would be less murder of prostitutes, therefore less of non-prostitutes.
Thanks for the music James...I mean Grim....may Allah grant you all kinds of sexy nubile things. When it comes to music....baby, you are the best.
Sweet! One will do Thank You!
..could you imagine how much space would be freed from the US penal system, if all the prohibition of drugs offenders were let loose?
iT would fit all of aiPAC and CONGRESS TOO!!
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