... what have you guys been up to? Someone point out the most important stories of the past few weeks, I doubt I'll have time to read everything.

Keep up the good work!

Brilliant!

Finally, the truth comes out.

Zionists cannot escape from their past.

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"Money" has no value - people do.

where are you???

I'm so confused!

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"Money" has no value - people do.

You either believe in One True God or you believe in symbols.

Jews can't have it both ways.

The crescent, btw, is not a symbol of Islam. Although, I don't know the history behind it.

Islam is simply submission to the One True God - following His Decree of purity and brotherhood among men (and women).

Islam prohibits idolatry, and symbolism is a form of idolatry.

Money, btw, is a symbol.

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"Money" has no value - people do.

If Prince Sviatoslav could defeat the Kazars, we can do it as well!

Why should we be discouraged by being called anti-Sionists, when these people themselves have nothing to do with the Holy Land?

Their acts are thoroughly unholy, as spelled out very clearly in the verses from the Revelations as stated above. Read them yourselves!

of acknowledging the One True God?

Latching on to a land that you've never set foot in before, raising the 'star of david' as your emblem, and slaughtering the indigenous people to satisfy your egos???

Tell me - is that how zionists 'pray' to their 'G-d?'

By PREYING on the rest of humanity???

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Sviatoslav I of Kiev (ca 972 AD) did defeat the wretched Khazars, who had converted to Judaism at some point in the early 9th century, by which point they were using the hexagram.

Of course, other cultures used the hexagram as well. Many cultures used the swastika too, as “Kaos42_ze” noted.

I agree with “MonkeyZerg” that the Magen David only became universally 'Jewish' in the 19th century when the Zionist maggots adopted it as their national symbol. There is no archaeological evidence that the hexagram was used in Palestine during BCE—at least, not on a shield or coin. (The menorah was used, however.)

The crescent also was used by many cultures throughout the world. It was the symbol of the Greco-Roman goddess Diana, for example. The Sassanian Empire (Iran) used it as their symbol. When the Arabs conquered the Sassanians (651 CE) they gradually adopted the symbol for political reasons, not religious. Later the Ottomans used it, but not for religious reasons. The crescent only became a universal symbol of Islam in modern times, with the formation of Muslim states.

By the way, regarding that statue in the photo, the Wikipedia Zionists deny that Ashkenazis have any connection with the Khazars at all! (Why am I not surprised?)

As always, the Zionist maggots think we’re too stupid to see through their lies. Medical science has formally classified congenital diseases shared by Ashkenazis by tracing them back to Eastern Europe and Khazaria. Indeed, when a person wants to marry an Ashkenazi Jew, doctors recommend that the Jew have a blood test (Ashkenazi Jewish Genetic Panel) to check for potential problems.

For Ashkenazi-specific diseases, see http://healthlink.uhseast.com/library/healthguide/en-us/illnesscondition...

Also http://www.bumc.bu.edu/Dept/Content.aspx?PageID=2194&DepartmentID=118

There is also “Meyenburg-Altherr-Uehlinger syndrome,” otherwise known as “Ashkenazi syndrome.” See http://www.whonamedit.com/synd.cfm/1695.html

BOTTOM LINE: this was a great post. That statue is excellent.

We’ll build another one like it when Israel is annihilated.
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P.S. to “Kaos42_ze," I'm confused by your initial comments. Dacia (i.e., Romania and Moldova) only goes back to about the first half of the 2nd century BC under king Oroles. The Dacians fought with the Romans several times. Babylonian cuneiform, however, goes back to the Sumerians during the Uruk IV period, ca. 3,200 BC.

Sanskrit is a language of India, not Babylonia. Its formal grammar goes back to the 5th century BC. Perhaps I misunderstood what you were saying.

It's a hexagram.

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"Money" has no value - people do.

The Khazars were Jews by the time Prince Sviatoslav defeated them, but the symbol on the statue is merely a hexagram. I've seen it on ancient Greek shields as well.

Zionists invented the “star of David.”

The menorah, however, is distinctly Jewish, and has been used as a Jewish symbol for 2,000 years.

And while you seethe, we will be having wild parties- with drumming - barefoot - in the woods -like Mardi Gras and May Poles in the woods.

You're an idiot.

I don't give a shit what you do with your life or what zionists do with theirs. They can all kill themselves for all I care.

But, when it comes to harming others - THEY WILL PAY THE PRICE - their beloved SYMBOL, notwithstanding.

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Ya know illat,

really what you are is a slithering and slimy little zionist punk.

How many times have I come across the likes of you who, every now and then, love to pull that crap about other religions - that long list you just made?

Dozens of times.

You know darn well that no one here is saying anything against these faiths or beliefs, pagan, atheist, agnostic or otherwise. Naturally, a creep like you comes along and creates content which isn't there - nor here for that matter.

No one on this website disrespects any religion or non-religion.

You're playing games like a little zionist snot. The growing hostility in your sequential posts give you away. Zionists always do this. They come on blogsites trying to be so "wise" so "all knowing" so "calm" - yet the veneer is quite thin. Your vile manner is showing quite clearly.

Smells like Zionist fecal 'spirit' to me.

Say, QRS, could this be one of the "wizards" of OZ?

QRS, I believe you conjured up one of them foul zio-nazi-ashken-KHAZAR robots with that Wizard of Oz post.

Tee!

... and no one pointed out the past weeks' top stories :P

Kaos42: you may very well be right that the hexagram predates khazaria and judaism, all I was doing was pointing out that khazars used it, and later Zionists used it as their national symbol. I hope I'm not 'way wrong' there.

allat_1: thanks for sharing the more mystical aspects of the symbol. Even if I don't believe in these aspects, ancient people probably did, as well as Kabbalists, so from that point of view its relevant.

Made Brani: Encouraging words :)

AZ: as always, great insight. Truly there's no other ethnic group like the ashkenazis when it comes to genetic diseases. They've married within their group for centuries in the belief that they are 'Jews'. Marriage out of the tribe was discouraged by their Rabbin for religious reasons. This is now changing as many go secular.

QRSWave: incidentally, the star of David IS a hexagram, by Judaic definition. Of coarse a Christian or a Muslim won't support that there is such a thing as ANY 'Star of David', because there's no evidence for it in the Old Testament or Qur'an.

And AZ, I think you're right in saying that the Khazars were Jewish (in tradition) when defeated by Prince Sviatoslav. If the hexagram was imported from Judaism (I don't have much evidence for this) then that is only more proof that the Khazars were judaized. (as opposed to already having the hexagram).

I said this so many times -- So-called "jews" (aka Crypto-jews, false-jews, fake-jews, AshkeNAZI, KhaZars, Turanians, etc) are NOT SEMITIC.

It's good to see the Truth is getting out!

;)

Good News Indeed.

The only true Jews are the Neturei Karta. And any Jew that is strongly opposed to Israel and Zionism. These Jews, regardless of their origins, geographically, embrace the true spirit of the faith.

'Proud Zionist' please read below for the 'lame' points.

I'll sumarize it for you if you're too lazy to read for yourself:

1) Khazars converted to Judaism around 9th Century.

2) Modern day "jews" are 'far-south eastern Europeans', NOT SEMITIC. I.e. this whole hoopla about "returning" the their "homeland" is BULLSHIT!

Hope that helps!

;)

Please let us know if you have any other 'questions'.....

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Whoa, a lot of responses...

... and no one pointed out the past weeks' top stories :P

Kaos42: you may very well be right that the hexagram predates khazaria and judaism, all I was doing was pointing out that khazars used it, and later Zionists used it as their national symbol. I hope I'm not 'way wrong' there.

allat_1: thanks for sharing the more mystical aspects of the symbol. Even if I don't believe in these aspects, ancient people probably did, as well as Kabbalists, so from that point of view its relevant.

Made Brani: Encouraging words :)

AZ: as always, great insight. Truly there's no other ethnic group like the ashkenazis when it comes to genetic diseases. They've married within their group for centuries in the belief that they are 'Jews'. Marriage out of the tribe was discouraged by their Rabbin for religious reasons. This is now changing as many go secular.

QRSWave: incidentally, the star of David IS a hexagram, by Judaic definition. Of coarse a Christian or a Muslim won't support that there is such a thing as ANY 'Star of David', because there's no evidence for it in the Old Testament or Qur'an.

And AZ, I think you're right in saying that the Khazars were Jewish (in tradition) when defeated by Prince Sviatoslav. If the hexagram was imported from Judaism (I don't have much evidence for this) then that is only more proof that the Khazars were judaized. (as opposed to already having the hexagram).
MonkeyZerg | Wed, 2007-02-28 23:11
Finally EVERYONE understands!!!

I said this so many times -- So-called "jews" (aka Crypto-jews, false-jews, fake-jews, AshkeNAZI, KhaZars, Turanians, etc) are NOT SEMITIC.

It's good to see the Truth is getting out!

;)

Good News Indeed.
The Great Revealer | Wed, 2007-02-28 23:33

Hi everyone, I was traveling and only now get back to see this, possibly amazing, document by Michel Hoffman. Sorry to say, however, that it would be too good to be true.
First of all, if you look at Michel Hoffman's website you will note that the photo in question has no reference/link to it. Where did Hoffman find it? It looks like the photo of a brand new statue and one might suspect it was only recently forged.
Moreover, the way the 'Rus Prince Svyatoslav is depicted in this statue is highly suspicious. He is mounted on a horse, but looks like a typical Cossack: bare torso, shaved head with the characteristic single strand of long hair left hanging. The would-be Khazar soldier with the six-pointed Star of David on his shield is also wearing a very peculiar, rounded helmet, not the type (a bit mongol-like, conical) that was found by archeologists like Artamanov who have dug up khazar remains in the steppes.
So, I think what we are seeing is a recently forget statuette made up by some ukrainian nationalists who wanted to represent their vision of Khazaria's defeat the way they see it. Indeed, the Cossacks (who are however a mixed folk, part turkik and part slavic) were in the XV-IXX Century the armed wing of the young ukrainian nation, whilst Prince Svyatoslav was a swedish-slavic leader (like his name says plainly, Svyatho-Slov) probably looking completely different from his ukrainian portraits. There is a painting of Svyatoslav by Lebedev (himself Ashkenazi) wrongly depicting the 'Rus Prince also as a cossack warrior.
Alas, the Star of David was not to my knowledge a khazar symbol - however, it was adopted by some semi-legendary judaised khazar leader (David Al-Roy) as a symbol of the crusade he organised in the XII Century to 'recapture' the Holy Land (which had belonged to his nation only in its collective imagination). Benjamin Disraeli wrote a novel about this Al-Roy.
Instead, since you like symbolism, I can tell you as a preview of a blog I'd like to post but I just can't find the time to compose, that both the coat-of-arms and the surname of the Rothschild family of bankers are completely of khazar origin! Bare with me and I shall prove it to you.

Zionist "KhaZar", please show me this legendary DNA marker on this 'Y-chromosome' that is "proves" self-proclaimed WHITE jews are MIDDLE-EASTERN BROWN people?!!

What "proof" do you have?!!!

Any "reliable" sources?!!!

BY THE WAY, I KNOW A THING OR TWO ABOUT GENETICS AND HOW IT WORKS ---- so think twice before you attempt to pull a 'fast one' over me. Or is it you believe this DNA crap without any decent understanding of Genetics?!

And another thing, there are "Persian jews" as there are "Arab jews", and I'm sure somewhere around the world there are "Chinese jews" and "Negro jews" and there's even a slight possibility there are "Space-Martian jews" (since we can't rule out that possibility).

;)

It just goes to show you that, yes there are people of other 'races' and ethnic groups who follow the Judaism/Zionism/Talmud/etc.

But the point is the VAST MAJORITY of 'Crypto-jews' are NOT SEMITIC.... i.e. NOT ARAB.

Sure, Khazars is "pretty close" to the Middle East ---- but keep in mind they are separated by a mountain range ---- also Europe, especially Africa (i.e. Egypt), India, China are ALSO "PRETTY CLOSE" to the middle east.

The point is the human race is in reality a single race, there are differences, however very minor.

I doubt very much you can "prove" this so-called marker on some Y-chromosome "proves" jews are middle-eastern (as explained above).

Hope that makes sense?!

If it doesn't, I don't have the time OR the inclination to give you a thorough education is biochemistry & genetics ---- that would take a 'normal' University/College student 4-8 years......

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My question is: What do you think about the DNA tests showing a distinct genetic marker upon the Y Chromosome of Jewish Kohanim all over the world - from Europe to Africa? What do you think about the genetic tests showing MIDDLE EASTERN ORIGIN in the majority of European Jews? Are these all fakes created by the Zionists to serve their cause?

Secondly, why have you forgotten about the Sephardic Jews? I myself am a Persian Jew, and am about as far from "Eastern European" as it gets.

Hey, I only just saw this last comment by the ProudJewishZionist!
I'm very excited: finally, finally a real Zionist to challenge our views and contentions that the Ashkenazis are Khazars.
You ask a very good question:
My question is: What do you think about the DNA tests showing a distinct genetic marker upon the Y Chromosome of Jewish Kohanim all over the world - from Europe to Africa? What do you think about the genetic tests showing MIDDLE EASTERN ORIGIN in the majority of European Jews? Are these all fakes created by the Zionists to serve their cause?
YES! Those genetic studies are all CRAP. Pure crap created by Zionists to confuse the issue and discredit, if not invalidate completely, Koestler's contention.
First of all, these studies are statistical population genetic-markers analyses conducted on very tiny and selectively chosen population samples. As you know, in statistics the errorbars are of order root(N), where N is the sample's size, and in the studies you mention N and root(N) are of the same order. So, the results of these analyses are meaningless. In fact, a first study concluded that Ashkenazi and Middle Eastern Jews are patrilinearly related, a second one concluded that they are matrilinearly UNRELATED, a third one concluded that the Ashkenazis descend genetically from ONLY FOUR mothers, etc. One study concluded that the Ashkenazis and the Ottoman Turks are matrilinearly related, even. So, look: this is not serious science! It's impossible to unravel such a complex genetic admixture in populations by looking at the frequency of markers of some tiny and carefully selected population samples! Have the turkik Chuvash, Tatars, the finnic Mordwinians, Maris etc. etc. been screened in these studies? NO. So, please leave a pseudo-science like statistical genetics outside this issue of proving Koestler wrong.
Besides, what matters are not genes, rather tribal bondage, tribal links and customs and traditions. Also, the historical development of nations. To me, from these points of view, the Ashkenazis are turkik.
Secondly, why have you forgotten about the Sephardic Jews? I myself am a Persian Jew, and am about as far from "Eastern European" as it gets.
There are indeed Semitic (as opposit to Turkik, or Turanic) Jews, Sephardi and Middle Eastern Jews. They are a tiny component of world Jewry, maybe about 800.000 to 18.000.000 Ashkenazis. These Semitic Jews were deported by the Ashkenazis from muslim lands in order to sephardize Israel (Marion Woolfson, 'Prophets in Babylon').
As a Persian Jew you could be either Semitic or Turanic, I should know your surname (clan name) to tell.
Tell you, do you derive some sort of pleasure from spreading your filthy lies?
Sorry to have to say, the only liars are you Zionists, maybe many of you are just uninformed, but here we derive pleasure from finding out the truth scientifically.
Keep up the challenge, don't leave.

History_worm you are most likely correct in saying that the statue is a 'more recently' made. Nobody, who knows better, is saying it was made in the 9th century.

However, that doesn't change anything.

It demonstrates that the Ukranians (as well has other European nations of past) have a RECORD --- a living and historical record --- of their encounter with these "bothersome" Khazars.....

..... That the Khazars did invade, which is consistent with why there are many Khazarian "jews" in Eastern Europe (such as Poland, Ukraine), the population gradually migrating to Western Europe (i.e. to Germany, France, then England).

..... That the KhaZars have "associated" themselves with the so-called "Star-of-David".

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Another point:

Linking to "archaelogical artifacts" (real????) showing naked men with huge penis OR women with huge breasts/vagina and breast feeding is NOT UNIQUE.

ALL CULTURES DO THIS.

Which brings me to my next point. Many ancient civilizatins marveled at the "heavenly evening skies" and drew the stars as they saw them.

Since there were not lamps or street lights readily available in ancient times, the Moon and Stars were very important, and visually spectacular.

And when you look at a star with you eyes, you see the "rays" of light "projecting" from them -----

------ SO NATURALLY, PEOPLE DRAW STARS AS POINTY OBJECTS, USUALLY 5-SIDED or 6-SIDED (occasionally more).

SO ANY DIAGRAM OF "STARS" ARE NOT UNIQUELY "JUDAIC", INCLUDING THE "STAR-of-Davidooman".

Heck, the OCCULT AND other "SATANIC" cults also USE the "Star-of-Daviddeeeemeena"

wikipedia.org is Zionist controlled --- it is BIASED and UNRELIABLE --- especially pertaining to matters of KhaZar nature.

As history_worm so nicely EXPLAINED it to you, this is a self-selected biased sample.

Also the "marker", AT LEAST SHOW ME THE DNA SEQUENCE... not just say there is 'such a thing' without showing me this so-called "Unique" sequence --- you want me to do research on it don't ya?!!!

Also, for it to be someone reliable you need to do BOTH:

(1)

DEMONSTRATE --- at least STATISTICALLY RELIABLE SAMPLE --- that 99% or so of self-proclaimed "jews" AND Arabs have this so-called marker.

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(2) DEMONSTRATE --- at least STATISTICALLY RELIABLE SAMPLE --- that 99% or so of "non-jews" DO NOT HAVE THIS MARKER.

I'm repeating this since this is important --- this "pseudo-science" that you "quote" FAILS TO 'PROVE' ANYTHING.

Firstly you need to establish STATISTICALLY REPRESENTATIVE SAMPLE that both:

(a) "jews" and arabs have this marker

AND

(b) non-"jews" DO NOT have this marker

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Also, for it to be someone reliable you need to do BOTH:

(1)

DEMONSTRATE --- at least STATISTICALLY RELIABLE SAMPLE --- that 99% or so of self-proclaimed "jews" AND Arabs have this so-called marker.

~ AND ~

(2) DEMONSTRATE --- at least STATISTICALLY RELIABLE SAMPLE --- that 99% or so of "non-jews" DO NOT HAVE THIS MARKER.

The cultivated Ukrainians know full well the Ashkenazis are descendents of the judaised Khazars; however they won't admit that the Cossacks ('Kazakhi' in their language, whilst they call the Khazars 'Hazari', anyone can see it's almost the same name) are ALSO descendents of the (unjudaised) Khazars (+Cumans, or Kipchaks, +Bulghars, +Slavs, etc.). I have written about this issue before. They consider the Cossacks as heros and founders of their nation, so they depict the 'Rus prince Svyatoslav as a Cossack, which is wrong. The cultivated Ukrainians know about the misery inflicted by the judaised Khazars (aka Ashkenazis) on them in the 1920s and 30s: 7 million deaths by provoked famine in Winter 1932-33, another 8 millions pulverised in the gulags (bolshevik Ashkenazi organised).
ProudJewishZionist: try to prove that wrong before you start whining about your mere 6 millions.
As for the Star of David, well it's a symbol used by many cultures of course, but politically it was used, to my knowledge, by the Hebrews and then by the Khazar Al-Roy.
As for statistical genetics, please, please ProudJewishZionist, we all know wikipedia is a Zionists' den, so don't try to confuse the issues with pseudo-science presented as bona-fide research. Theorems and so on are useless when the errorbars are as big as the numbers one is trying to compare!

TGR has made the point clear. Those statistical genetics studies are meaningless. Moreover, they are biased since the 'true' descendants of the Khazars (Chuvash, Maris, Mordwinians, ...) have never been tested in these studies. And the ProudJewishZionist should not forget the other side of his genetic coin, that matrilinearly the East-European and Middle-Eastern Jews have been found NOT to be related. Now, given the matrilinear definition of 'who is a Jew', that is a very serious setback.
However, statistical genetics is not a science, so why continue this discussion. Please stick to historiography and be serious.

Khazar vs. "Khazar"
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Khazar -- one of Khazar lineage

"Khazar" -- one who acts and thinks like a Khazar

My two pennies worth.

I dont think there is any need for complicated science.

The original tribe of Isreal were dark and Meditranian (with olive skin and dark hair).

The Khazars are white/Turkic. Since the tribe of Isreal did not inter-marry with non jews, it is unlikely that they became white through that route.

So they are Khazars.... a Turkic tribe which converted to Judaism, no doubt about it. All this was well known and admitted by scholars in the 19th century...until the Zionists constructed their bogus history and hid this fact.

Khazars/Zionists ought to sort themselves out...they are heading for a fall, join the human race, shed the BS inhuman ideology of Zionism and become sane.

So they are Khazars.... a Turkic tribe which converted to Judaism, no doubt about it. All this was well known and admitted by scholars in the 19th century...until the Zionists constructed their bogus history and hid this fact.
Well said, leftfield! Indeed, some scholars before the advent of Zionism had already written about Khazars and Ashkenazim. The anthropologist K.Vogt for example. H. vKutschera wrote an excellent book in 1910, which was plagiarised somewhat by Koestler.
It is possible, though, that many non-Semitic Jews have little knowledge of this issue, like 99,99% of the Gentiles. So, we could try to educated them, we don't take any pleasure in spreading any lie here. However, keeping a scholarly and scientific tone does help in making this discussion helpful to everyone.

Dare I ask, WHAT moral principles of Judaism ?

Esau I Have Hated... Thank you for your sincere reply to my somewhat ephemeral question. I have always followed your entries with keen interest, largely because of your divergent ideas on many of these matters, with which you seem to be well acquainted. And of course your nom de plume tends to speak volumes. But matters Biblical - and Talmudic, for that matter - tend to be quite easily confounded. So let's take it from the top, as I usually do, being a musician, and not a Biblical scholar.

You say you don't know what I mean by that question, yet you intuitively made a good stab at what I might have actually meant by it. But I'M the one asking YOU the question. I want YOU to tell ME the answer to my question, not just in the affirmative or the negative, but SHOW ME some clear cut demonstrative evidence that Judaism is indeed based on a certain "morality".

You needn't assume at the outset, simply because "I dare ask" such a question, that I am implying there isn't any to be found. Although it does happen to be a fair estimate of my general opinion, the burden of proof, it seems to me, is with you, to just go ahead and prove me wrong, if that is indeed what I think.

If I didn't have a little more than passing familiarity with your writings in the past, then I wouldn't have bothered to ask at all, as it falls on all of us individually to come to our own answers about these things. But I honestly feel that you have much of value to share, and your familiarity with the Bible Believers site is intriguing as well. You also promised to fill us in on some more of these things before, did you not ?

In anticipation of that, I will just fill you in on a few little observations of my own, if you don't mind, and limited to your own reply.

I agree with most everything you stated up until your last paragraph, where I hit a very familiar stumbling block. It gets me every time. Once you speak of the "True Torah Jews" ....... I am in deep trouble. If it is of the Neturei Karta sect that you speak, are you aware that these adherents of the "True Torah" are, by necessity, and in fact, still adherents and practitioners of the Talmud ? Or of any other supposed divergent or fundamental "sect", from Hassidic to Chabad Lubavitch, or whatever. Is not the full interpretation and discourse of their 'True Torah' to be found succinctly in their eternally damnable Talmud ? Answer me, good man, as I seethe with revulsion at the very thought of it!

Another perennial bone in my throat is the endless infernal confustication of Judaism and Christianity, much less Islam. This is FUNDAMENTAL HERESY to any "True Christian", much less "True Muslim", and any conflation of the two into some travesty entitled "Judeo-Christian Law", or "Morality" can only create the cruelest of ironies, in my concerted opinion.

So before I get any more fired up, I will again leave it to you to provide me with at least but ONE iron-clad PROOF of an essential morality ( other than Old Testament justifications ) in a "religion" which incorporates the very oath of falsehood, the Kol Nidre, into it's practice, and which patently preaches and promotes the abject hatred of the rest of "Unchosen" humanity, in it's foul and detestable Talmud. Thank you once again for responding to my innocent little 'question'.

Of course there is still a sect of Jews who keep to the Torah scriptures ONLY, refusing the oral tradition embedded in the evil Talmud. These are the so-called Karaites.
I've just given you one link (look at the pictures of classical-times Karaites and tell me if they don't look turkish), but if you google up the word Karaites you will find dozens links. Karaites existed already at the time of the Khazar conversions (in the plural, because there were actually several waves of conversion), but the East-European Karaites definitely claim two things: 1) they are the ones who convinced the Khazars' khagan to convert to Judaism (through their leader Isaac Sangari), 2) to be of direct descendence from the Khazars and of turkik nationality. Look up the writings of karaite leader Ananias Zayanchkowski (english spelling) to see about these claims, which are however disputed.
Here, I shall give you just two gems about Karaite history. The first is related to the origin of this name: those who refute the khazar origins, claim the name Karaim (it's the Hebrew plural) stands for 'those who read' [the Bible] (the Hebrew word is ???????? - qarayim, 'readers'). But for those who accept the khazar origin (including many Karaites themselves) the name comes from the turkik (khazar-cuman) word 'karay' meaning 'those who sit in the dark'. For the tradition was to sit in the dark on Sabbath day and recite the Torah (with the help of a candle). Since 'kara' is turkish for 'black' or 'dark', it seems more natural to accept the second explanation.
The second gem is about the fate of the Karaites during WW2 and the Nazi invasion of Poland-USSR. Thanks to their turkik nationality status (imprinted in their soviet passport) the Karaites were spared by the Nazis, not even deported, and actually many Ashkenazis avoided deportation by changing their status and turning themselves Karaites. Obviously, the Nazis didn't know a line of history.

Thanks fellas for keeping on topic. I am be-dazzled by everyone's level of knowledge and understanding. Everyone has contributed greatly to making this one of the most (if not the most) INFORMED --- AND --- VARIED website/blog on the Internet.

And to think, it all started off by a 'little Law Student in NYC' who FELT the profound NEED to get the TRUTH out --- and to wake each one of us from our slumber!

From the deepest depths of my heart, THANK YOU QRSWAVE, THANK YOU DEARLY!

It's I who should thank ALL OF YOU for making the last year plus the most productive and enlightening time in my life.

I wouldn't trade it for the world.

This is what being human is all about - SHARING - both our knowledge and our experience, in the spirit of brotherhood and for the benefit of humanity.

I only hope that the site continues to flourish.

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"Money" has no value - people do.

PJZ, you are such a bore with your biblical teachings. It would be like chinese Catholics having an obligation to go and live in Rome, indonesian Muslims to invade Mecca and Medina. Can't you just see that there are 'so-called Jews', 'self-styled Jews', FAKE JEWS we call them here, who have decided they need Palestine as their base for imposing a New World Order? I don't know when you started monitoring our discussions here, but we can prove to you there are bona-fide Semitic Jews who were forced to leave arab lands to go and sephardize Israel (forced by the ashkenazi Zionists, that is) but also a hell of a lot of self-styled fake Jews of Khazar-Kipchak-Alan descent who dream just of a New Khazaria in the Middle East and have conned the West to allow them to make that dream come true.
So, before you say we just spread lies in this forum, try to prove us wrong for once. We have dealt with your statistical genetics challenge, so please come up with other challenges before insulting us as liars.
Maybe you are a bona-fide semitic Jew, maybe you are an uninformed turanic 'Jew', in all cases you too need to wake up and reset your education system: you too have been conned.

Welcome to this forum, your writings and material on the Ashkenazi-Khazar connection are very interesting, everyone should read this! Spread the knowledge, but beware of counterfaits like the photo and statuette in this blog (see also our comments above).

GabrielET: I once begged for someone on this blog to please divine for us the riddle of Gog and Magog. Although our own History Worm has already risen to that challenge, you have directly addressed it in a very compact and accessible way, by offering this great resource, with many references, to Monkey Zerg's record breaking thread. To think it all started with a disputed image in a photograph ! And no wonder that you bear the name of a divine messenger. Greetings and Salutations, Gabriel !

Ohhh PJZ, you are another demanding interlocutor ... No, I do not mind you observing our discussions, on the contrary you contribute to make them more poignant - we improve our knowledge by being challenged.
I will not comment on issues about religion, I'm ignorant about that. However, history is my religion and as for politics, well, that's the stuff man is made of.
"It would be like chinese Catholics having an obligation to go and live in Rome, indonesian Muslims to invade Mecca and Medina".
"Would there be a problem with that"?
Anybody can see there would be great problems, for Rome is already occupied by the Italians and Mecca and Medina by Arabs. You could see the chaos that would ensue - the world constantly at war - if any proselyte group decided to go back to the country origin of any single faith.
"This ethnocentric outlook on why people should and shouldn't live in certain countries is a little insulting, if you don't mind my saying so".
Perhaps you misunderstand me/us. Nobody is saying Jews (or Buddhists, Hindus, ...) are not permitted to go settle in any given part of the world, least in Palestine. What we object here to is for Jews taking over any single country/land for themselves and to be controlled by them. It was wrong with medieval Poland-Lithuania, it was wrong with the Bolshevik USSR, it is wrong with Palestine, it is wrong with the USA. Any given country belongs to all of the peoples that inhabit that land.
"When I look at Israel I do not see a thriving, rich, powerful imperialist state that you describe".
When did you last visit Israel? Do you not share our views (rethorics) that the invasion of Iraq was an act of Israeli expansionism? That Israel covertly possesses hundreds of nuclear/hydrogen warheads in a region where other countries have none? Then you are just as brainwashed by the 'politically correct' information media of your co-religionists as the rest of the Jewish people and of the Gentiles in the West. And this is why counterinformation sites such as this one are badly needed.
I see is a tiny nation with no natural resources, a broken society, a corrupt leadership, and a poor and divided populace that could break into civil war with just one bad choice".
How interesting, what d'you mean by 'civil war'? Between Ashkenazis and Sephardis? Tiny nation, no nat. resources, corrupt leadership ... this is all what's needed for nationalism and expansionism! History teaches us just that much. How's 'Lebensraum' written in Hebrew? And q.: why a broken society?
"It is very generous of you, however, to decide for them whether or not they are real Jews".
That's only where you Jews consider yourself a people or a race. To many of us in this forum, you are neither. You are just a 'Glaubengemeinschaft', a belief-group to us, like the Christians, the Muslims, ... Should the Christians, the Muslims all want to return to Palestine just because it's the spring of their religions?
Proof of Ashkenazis=judaisedKhazars. It's a very long proof, needs a book that was already written. Books, in fact: H.vonKutschera, A.Koestler, A.Posselt, maybe K.A.Brook. Have YOU read any of these? I should write the next, ... when I retire. Suffices to say the proof is in history, ethnography, linguistics, onomastics, customs, traditions and attire (the last three relating to the Orthodox Jews). Anyway, before Zionism was born cultivated Gentiles and Jews alike knew this contention was true all along. Just read H.Graetz, 'History of the Jews' Vol.3, pre-1900 edition.
How, then, do you respond to the allegations that most Ashkenazi Jews are (genetically) more closely related to Arabs and other Jewish ethnic groups than to any European nation?
Please PJZ, don't waste our time. We told you already the statistics of those studies is flawed. Statistical genetics is not a science, unless you screen ALL the peoples of the world. Anyway, didn't even have to open your suggested website: can recognise the Hebrew University of Jerusalem's address at once (even worked there for a long time). Cheers, and ... wake up.

http://muslimsonline.com/babri/minority1.htm

Douglas Reed in The Controversy of Zion concludes:

... this only became clear when the [Russian/Bolshevik] revolution of 1917 produced an almost all-Jewish government in Russia; and by that time power [of Ashkenazim] over governments in the West was so great that the nature of this new regime was little discussed, a virtual law of heresy having come into force there.

I finally got through all the comments!

I have to give it to you guys, as the Great Revealer said, I've never been on any website/forum with such a level of informed/learned contributers. I'll even say I'm glad PJZ is contributing to challenge us and keep us sharp. (But please, let's keep it clean in all directions, truth needs no anger to deliver).

And to think this all started because I reposted a photo I found on Hoffman's site that I found interesting.

I guess the question should be to ask Hoffman where he got the photo from and try to determine its age. If the statue is a new Ukrainian depiction of Khazaria's defeat, then it shows that the Ukrainian sculptor may have known the Khazars back then were Jews.

Shall I edit the blog and add the speculation on the photo? The title is a bit misleading in hindsight (QRS, did you change it for me? :) )

As for Gabriel: Welcome! Did you write the piece you linked to based on the research you did? VERY intriguing.

Possibly. Sorry, I don't remember.

I might have shortened it, like I tend to do.

You can modify it. But, there are a number of websites that have already linked to it and included the title and text.

So, you might want to add and addendum, instead.

I agree that all civil discourse should be encouraged, even if we strongly disagree with it and, in fact, find it revolting for what it advocates.

This thread is very educational.

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"Money" has no value - people do.

We should definitely ask Michael Hoffman II, where he got his photo from. Clearly some artist forged it recently for some ukrainian nationalists, who didn't do their research properly. Of course the cultivated Ukrainians know about the Khazars having been (in part) jewish, but to pit a khazar descendent (Svyathoslav I here, alas, depicted as a Cossack) against a would-be khazar soldier (wearing alas a nazi-type helmet, albeit with Star of David on his shield) is totally ridiculous.

A fine, fine thread which deserves more careful study.

It's been a couple of weeks, and I'm exceeding keen for PJZ to enlighten us with his DNA "proof" genetically linking the Semitic peoples with our beloved Khazarian carpetbaggers.

Did I miss it? Were it too super subtle for der goyim?

It's good that you care about such intriguing historical matters.
The Star of David is obviously an old symbol used by many cultures in the past. What we are concerned with here, is its political usage. It's not clear to me just how important this hexagram was to the biblical Hebrews, but what I know is that the first true political use of the symbol was made by a semi-legendary character, a notable leader, a Khazar by the quaint name of David Al-Roy. I think this is the real reason why the hexagram is also called the Star of David, but it's not King David of the Hebrews, it's this David Al-Roy.
This Al-Roy (Benjamin Disraeli, former Queen Victoria's apostate Prime Minister - that is a Jew converted to Christianity for political advantages, but still a crypto-Jew - wrote a novel about him: The wonderous Tale of Al-Roy) was the first known promoter of a 'crusade' (shall we call it a 'hexagrade'?) to 'recapture' Palestine for the Ashkenazi Jews. Al-Roy was said to stem from the South Caucasus region, where Zoroastrians also lived, so this makes full circle with the notion of the hexagram being important to that forgotten cult.
Indeed this is a fascinating thread, so is the story about the Rothschild's shield which I still have to write up for the esoterics lovers of this site ... That shield is living proof that the Rothschilds are Khazar aristocracy (Ashina turkik ruling clan) AND they know it!
Cheers everyone!

at wikipedia, the hexagram is used by a number of different people for various reasons - I don't think that that can be used as proof that anyone of them are actually one and the same people.

human beings have a habit of copying things from each other. That will never change - no matter how many 'copyright laws' are enacted.

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"Money" has no value - people do.

..as simple as the RED SIGN is, hung at the money-changer's hovel, it most certainly has meaning, likely different from others who used it.

..i think it accurately depicts THE SYNAGOGUE OF SHAITAN, no? is very interesting, about the magen david being A DIFFERENT DAVE!!!

..also, does the torah not include the talmud? The NK should call themselves Tanakh (old testament) True Jews, no?

..and besides, even if the Bible or whatever told me to stone petulent children to death, YOUR COMMON SENSE, let alone YOUR FAITH, should prevent you from failing this TEST.

The hexagram is the symbol indicative of the divinity of the number seven, the seventh point being the center of the hexagon or the Sun. This divinity belief existed in the major ancient and antiquity belief systems before its integration into cabala and of course into the Zionism in 1873. To some extent, the same way the ancient symbol of swastika, potency of creativity, found its way into Nazism.

To trace back to the culture(s) morphing the magic and then divinity of the number seven, we probably should be looking for who discovered some impressive natural phenomena, such as seven musical notes, and its octave repetition to infinity. Or integration of seven day week into the calendar and finding a perfect match. (btw. seven spoke crown of statue of liberty also comes from this divinity belief.) Note that menorah also has seven spokes.

In politics and military operations, symbols play a crucial role in creating a sense of belonging and connectivity. The opportunistic adoption of the hexagram seems to be around the time that the word "Jew" was coined for English speakers too. This word was supposed to create the notion of a "race" via religion and therefore legitimacy to the claims of the converts for a home.

Of course the statute has more things to be concerned about than happy. The least of it is the authentication of the symbol to be representing Judaism.

..the number seven is significant in nature..
..but then, shall we take the yankee star, add a sun and moon, then call it an odd seven?

It is always a pleasure to here your opinion.

I had forgotten all about MonkeyZerg's great blog - and look at all the great bloggers - sans zio-knobs - here that have spoken considerably with such great wealth of knowledge. I love it. These entries always make me smile.

I must remember to put MZ's blog into my files.

Somehow this one escaped me...

My research has concluded that there is a very strong link between the Hindus and the "Jews." I have a theory that the Greeks essentially adopted the hindu caste system into their views on political theory. Plato basically states in the "Republic" that there are men of different metals which are destined to rule and be governed. Yet another interesting clue comes from Nesta Websters books where she eludes that Pythagoras had learned some of the great mysteries which are Hindu in origin. These metaphysical mysteries are part of the secret teachings in Freemasonry. Another connection come from an interview with Ben Gurion who basically call the Greeks the first great civilization. The thread that connect these various groups is the persistence of a certain world view. That world view is hierarchy. To make it crystal clear- caste system based on superstition- caste system based on religion- and finally a scientific caste system based sophisticated mind control techniques.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who mysteriously missed this thread. We should thank TimB for his "this is nonsense" reviving the thread after seven months for those who missed it! (speaking of missing, history_worm is missing too. Hope he's traveling and comes back refreshed.)

I do like HistoryWorm's stuff very much...although it overwhelms me.

I am afraid I have not been a very astute student...

Yes, I do hope he comes back.

The author of the Armenian Holocaust were actually the Khazars! according to the following weblink:

http://judicial-inc.biz/Arm.enian_genocide.htm