9/11 truth seekers should find these videos (more precisely, audio) of Kevin Ryan on the Alex Jones show compelling listening. In fact, I'm starting to like Alex Jones! If others such as Mike Piper and Daryl Bradford Smith want to "keep up with the Jones's", they will have to feature this sort of material on their shows, regarding NIST's cover up and links to the perps.
On Part II (5:20), Ryan explains how the workers carrying out the fireproofing upgrades in the couple of years up to 9/11 could have been spraying nanothermites and duped into thinking it was merely fireproofing. He runs through many of the salient facts that are in his paper The Top Ten Connections Between NIST and Nano-thermites, available here:
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2008/Ryan_NIST_and_Nano-1.pdf
...from about 8:50 on Part II. NIST had people like Forman Williams, the lead engineer on their advisory committee, who is the most prominent engineering 'expert' for Popular Mechanics, and an expert on the deflagration of energetic materials and the "ignition of porous energetic materials". At 10:34, near the end of Part II, Ryan mentions Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC), which was heavily involved in the NIST investigation.
It's all worth listening to, but the best material is on Part III. SAIC is connected through their former employees Jerome Hauer and Steven Hatfill to the anthrax attacks, they first investigated the 1993 WTC bombing and boasted that their blast analyses had "helped identify those responsible", they are linked to the Rudy Giuliani administration and to the late 1990s security upgrades at the WTC. And they are experts in nanothermites.
NIST have plenty of thermite experts - hired because they knew what not to look for.
Richard Gann, who did the final editing for the NIST report, "was working on a novel fireproofing project for a couple of years before 9/11, and he involved some of the world's leading experts in nanothermites."
Ryan says: "There's a large group of scientists now around the United States and in Europe, in several laboratories in Europe, that are doing chemical and physical tests on the World Trade Center dust particles that we're finding, and, you know, there's some fairly well conclusive papers being written, led by Steven Jones at this point, and others..."
Alex Jones mentions how operatives went after Steven Jones and others (clearly thinking of patently obvious shills such as Judy Wood). He says: "The biggest whodunnit ever [...] there isn't a grand jury out there that wouldn't call for a further investigation of this [...] you guys have done the research that's got you one step away from having your hands on the perpetrators, that has really gotta be bracing."
Kevin Ryan: "Yeah, just take a look at a three-way crossroads, and that is, who had access to the buildings, who had access to the technologies, and who was involved in the cover up. You look at those three groups and try to find connections and - you'll find a good deal of connections! - and I think we'll start to find our culprits."
Alex Jones: "If we leave these people in power, they're unstable, what are they going to do next?"
Kevin Ryan: "Right. So, ultimately there has to be a transition, has to be a great change in our society, so we have to take responsibility for that. First of all we have to take responsibility for the deception in our lives. That's what we're trying to do here. We take responsibility for that, then we start building a new society. That has to happen. [...] The most positive approach we can take, but definitely moving forward for ourselves and not expecting the government or whoever, powerful entities, to take care of things for us..."
Part I
Part II
Part III
Part IV
Ryan's paper includes facts such as:
As part of the Federal Laboratory Consortium for Technology Transfer, NIST partners with the Naval Surface Warfare Center at Indian Head (NSWC-IH) on Chemical Science and Technology (FLCTT 2008). NSWC-IH is probably the most prominent US center for nano-thermite technology (NSWC 2008). In 1999, Jan Puszynski, a scientist working for the DURINT program, helped NSWC-IH design a pilot plant to produce nano-size aluminum powder. It was reported that “At that time, this was [the] only reliable source of aluminum nanopowders in the United States” (SDSMT 2001), however, private companies like Argonide and Technanogy were also known to have such capabilities.
Among an interesting group of contractors that NSWC-IH hired in 1999 were SAIC, Applied Ordnance, Battelle, Booz Allen Hamilton, Mantech, Titan, Pacific Scientific Energetic (see below), and R Stresau Laboratories for "demolition materials” (NSWC 2000).
A tragic coincidence left William Caswell, an employee of NSWC-IH, dead on the plane said to have hit the Pentagon (Flight 77). He had for many years worked on “deep-black” projects at NSWC-IH (Leaf 2007).
http://www.journalof911studies.com/volume/2008/Ryan_NIST_and_Nano-1.pdf
Back to my commentary, the Political Friendster site has information on links between the players. For instance, there is much of interest about Jerome Hauer, e.g. promoted the "OBL did it" myth from the word go, advised the White House to begin taking the antibiotic against anthrax a week before anthrax attacks started, arranged John O'Neill's job as head of security at the WTC and had dinner with him on 9/10/01, is former managing director of Kroll, consults with the IDF, is on the Board of BioPort, etc. Fuad El-Hibri, major investor and CEO of BioPort, is friends with the bin Laden family.
http://www.politicalfriendster.com/showPerson.php?id=3231&name=Jerome
El-Hibri is also linked to Booz Allen Hamilton, which is where Rabbi Dov Zakheim become a Vice President in May 2004 after leaving the Pentagon.
We have to attack the criminals on all fronts. On the one hand, you have people like Steven Jones and his group who do not tend to talk about Zionism, so Alex Jones would regard them as ideal guests. Steven Jones was attacked as an "anti-Semite" for mentioning PNAC and "the neocons", and after that he decided to stick to the science. The advantage is that the perps cannot complain that everyone who is going after them is an "anti-Semite".
On the other hand, I posted proof here on how we know for certain that Israel had foreknowledge. Foreknowledge is proof of complicity, and when we go on to consider all the other evidence that leads to criminal Zionism, they clearly played a principal role.
Some dispute whether the Mossad agents had set up their cameras in advance of the first impact, and suggest that it could have been minutes afterwards. However, we know for sure that they were dancing and celebrating before the second plane hit, when all innocent bystanders thought the first impact was merely an accident.
As Christopher Ketcham puts it in his March 7, 2007 CounterPunch article:
What is perhaps most damning is that the Israelis' celebration on the New Jersey waterfront occurred in the first sixteen minutes after the initial crash, when no one was aware this was a terrorist attack. In other words, from the time the first plane hit the north tower, at 8:46 a.m., to the time the second plane hit the south tower, at 9:02 a.m., the overwhelming assumption of news outlets and government officials was that the plane's impact was simply a terrible accident. It was only after the second plane hit that suspicions were aroused. Yet if the men were cheering for political reasons, as they reportedly told the FBI, they obviously believed they were witnessing a terrorist act, and not an accident.
Source (Ketcham article)
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First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:
First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:
Insubstantial rubble-pile cannot be explained by thermate/thermite/nano-thermite/etc
Next theory please.
Please Sir,can I have some more (soylent green)?
First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:
to the attack. So I'm not sure that it's disputed. Maybe it's disputed by criminal Zionists & shills who don't want us to know but the Times reported that that's what witnessing neighbors told them.
Whenever the work of scientists and engineers hot on the trail of the 9/11 perpetrators is posted, the consequences are all too predictable. "Experts" jump in and tell us that a thermite variant could not have been responsible for very high temperatures in the WTC debris pile, but normal office fires, space beam weapons, or hydrogen bombs could have.
But when a deceptive demolition is designed to simulate a "fire-induced collapse" and results in tons of molten steel and iron surrounded by and covered with dozens of feet and hundreds of thousands of tons of tightly packed, insulating material mostly comprised of concrete, the heat will remain locked in and the pools can stay hot and even molten for weeks. The calculations prove it, and so does the empirical evidence.
In the case of lava flows for example, the top crust solidifies and provides some insulation, but not nearly as much as dozens of feet of packed concrete dust. Back in 2001 (fortunately, prior to 9/11 ) the following was posted in response to someone who asked how long lava takes to cool:
"Lava flows like those being erupted on Mount Etna as I write are of a size and composition where they will flow some miles down the mountain before they solidify. In the case of Etna today the solidifying of such flows might take several weeks, and afterwards they would remain warm or hot to the touch for much longer, perhaps several months."
Source
A model that has been developed to make quantitative predictions that can be tested against observations has the following to say about conditions on Jupiter's moon Io:
"...a 10-m-thick ultramafic flow, like those emplaced at Pillan Patera in 1997, solidifies in ˜450 days (at which point the surface temperature has cooled to ˜280 K) and takes another 390 days to cool to 249 K."
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2005Icar..176..123D
Because of heating effects that are partly due to Jupiter's magnetic field but mainly due to tidal forces from Jupiter and other Jovian moons, Ionian lava erupts at ~1600 to 1700 C. It's high compared to lava on Earth, but still considerably cooler than a thermite reaction. And the surface temperature on Io is only about -143 C, much cooler than the WTC debris pile.
In fact, even if an area of molten lava on Earth is cooled by a continuous stream of sea water, it still takes a day to solidify to 1 meter thickness. According to a U.S. Geological Survey report:
"From the above considerations and figures, one can calculate, on the basis of a water stream flowing at the rate of 100 l s-1 over a 6,000 m2 area of molten lava, under average cooling conditions and conversion of all water to steam, that a solid layer of lava about 1 m thick will form in 24 hours. This cooling rate has been confirmed by measurements taken in drillholes bored into the lava after the water cooling ended [Valdimar Kr. Jónsson and Matthías Matthíasson, 1974]."
http://pubs.usgs.gov/of/1997/of97-724/lavacool.html
That page also states that:
"Rock is a poor conductor of heat, so that a lava slab 10 m thick is known to be hot for years, if it is [solidly] intact and not fractured, even if its surface is continually cooled by water."
The official conspiracy theorists tell us that a debris pile of 97% non-combustibles, about 97% of which were either cold or burned out, can continue to melt aluminum for weeks on end, almost whenever anyone looks at it, after the approximately 0.09% of burning combustibles are smothered by hundreds of thousands of tons of concrete (isolating each piece of burning plastic, paper, wood, carpet, etc from other potential fuel and starving the fire of oxygen), drenched in 4 millions gallons of water - 3 million from fire hoses and a million from rain - that percolated through the debris in the first ten days after the collapses. And:
"The spraying continued for months, which means that hundreds of thousands of tons of water would have been dumped on Ground Zero over the next couple of months."
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2007/11/why-didnt-millions-of-gal...
And the Fire Department used thousands of gallons of a foaming agent called Pyrocol FEF, which reduces the surface tension of water, allowing it to flow over and coat surfaces. It also absorbs emissions from a fire and re-emits at a longer wavelength.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1634
And the tritium papers state that the total flow at the bottom of the Bathtub, measured from pumping records, was 30 million gallons of water over the same ten-day period to 9/21. They assumed that the extra 26 million gallons of leaks was mostly via a leak from the Hudson River via two WTC cooling water outfall lines, and also leaks from broken water mains.
The following report, by the engineer who oversaw the construction of the Bathtub, suggests that more than three million gallons was hosed in the first ten days:
"PATH Tunnels Concurrent with rescue work in New York, Port Authority engineers were investigating the condition of the PATH tunnels in Jersey City, New Jersey, where the Exchange Place Station, which was at an elevation 5 feet lower than the WTC PATH Station, had served as a sump for fire water, river water, and broken water mains discharging into the bathtub. Inspection indicated that water in the tunnels between New York and New Jersey had completely filled the north tunnel at the midriver low point. Pumps were immediately put into action to keep Exchange Place Station from flooding. As much as 3,000 gallons per minute were pumped from the north tunnel for a 12-hour period each day. Tests of the water were inconclusive as to the source; however, most was believed to come from the vast amounts of water that were poured onto the debris to extinguish continuing fires. Within days, a 16-foot long low-strength concrete plug was placed in each tube as a seal in the event that the bathtub walls were breached and the tunnels fully flooded. The plugs were designed to withstand an 80-foot head of water pressure and will be removed once the slurry walls are fully secured (Figure 6). The Port Authority is currently preparing to remove the plugs in preparation for rehabilitation of the tunnels."
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3,000 gallons per minute for a 12-hour day, i.e. 2,160,000 gallons per day or 21,600,000 in ten days. If "most" of this was from fire hosing, then the "three million gallons" of fire hosed water in ten days as quoted in the tritium papers is too low.
https://e-reports-ext.llnl.gov/pdf/241096.pdf
http://repositories.cdlib.org/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1678&context...
There are several variants of the tritium paper. In the first link above, the .gov one, it is unsurprisingly more favorable to the official account. On page 11, "Box 1" in their model assumes an air porosity for the Bathtub of 0.26 - which it describes as a value for close packed spheres. In contrast, the paper at the repositories link states "one could assume its air porosity of 0.1 (note for instance, a porosity of close packed spheres is 0.26)." In fact, the lower figure is more appropriate for the WTC debris.
"Well sorted (grains of approximately all one size) materials have higher porosity than similarly sized poorly sorted materials (where smaller particles fill the gaps between larger particles)."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porosity
If we take the 30 million gallons of water known to have passed through the Bathtub between 9/11 and 9/21, this has a volume of 113,562 m^3. The area of the Bathtub, at 520 feet x 980 feet, is 47,345 m^2, and adding WTC7's footprint which was 3,850 m^2, we have ~51,200 m^2. The volume of water divided by the Bathtub area plus the WTC7 footprint obtains a height of 113,562 / 51,200 = 2.22 m = 7.277 feet. Allowing for a porosity of 0.1, this would fill the debris pile (if it hadn't been pumped away or flowed away to Jersey City) to a height of 72.77 feet. For most, if not all of, the cleanup, that would correspond to a water level higher than the top of the debris!
And the "pile fires melted aluminum" proponents have to accept that the pile was more of an "anaerobic chemical factory" (as described by Prof Thomas Cahill in the Delta Group report) than fires capable of melting sufficient aluminum for it to be observed "flowing" and "running" for weeks. There is no credible mechanism for air being drawn up from, e.g. the PATH tubes, into the pile by stack effect, and cold air would have to percolate down into the spaces between the dirt and dust and water and foam at the top of the pile.
However, if a proportion of the water falling on the debris boiled and steamed off before it could percolate into the debris, an even greater proportion of the cold air that might have aerated fires in the pile would have heated and hence risen before it had a chance to sink into the pile. The volumetric specific heat capacity of air is less than 1/3,000th that of water; moreover, the water is already much denser than the surrounding air, so all the water that doesn't boil is bound to sink into the debris.
Moreover, any molten steel that was "running down the channel rails… like you're in a foundry – like lava from a volcano" and hence ending up towards the bottom of the debris offers a more plausible mechanism for additional release of heat from slow combustion of unburned fuel, as opposed to already hot combustibles on the upper floors that were isolated from other potential fuel sources by concrete dust, with much of those potential fuel sources already having burned out.
Dr Steven Jones and his team are working hard to analyze the physical evividence and trying to formulate a hypothesis to fit the data. But those who propose wild speculations, in which no effort has been made to be consistent with the facts, should be treated with suspicion and their conjectures taken with many grains of salt.
First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:
First you take D.C. Then you take New York (:
I certainly don't dispute the foreknowledge and, to be blunt, complicity as principal perpetrators in 9/11 by Zionist false-flag terrorists and time-served deceivers. When I posted elsewhere about the Israeli Mossad agents setting up their cameras before the first plane impact, a poster claimed Fox News had "misquoted" the New York Times. But he'd been continually arguing and trying to find loopholes, however weak, that would allow him to evade the reality; hence was almost certainly a Zioshill.
My latest blog shows that Fox News' interpretation of the New York Times is reasonable.
http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/9849